Wandering Witch: The Journey of Elaina (light novel)
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Oct 17, 2020 7:52 AM
#251
alberto662 said: yes and fuck them kids, fuck that kid drowning i came to this beach to read my book in peace,kid being bullied? fuck him, i came to the school to learn not to help people to not getting beaten down. Person getting kiddnapped in a college party, fuck off i came here to drink not to be a hero and save people Please use more appropriate language! At the end of the day, this is anime is for adults, that is fiction, and harmed no one in any way. I do like how Elaina was portrayed in this episode, and again, I saw nothing wrong with her actions. Granted, I was a bit shocked after finishing the episode, but, I did enjoy it! It was like a breath of fresh air. Things in life are beyond your control, and even if you had the power to do something, you still need to think of the consequences of your actions after you help! The message in the episode was that you have no control over what happens in life. I am not a moderator, but please be respectful in threads! This is a conversation, not an argument! |
Oct 17, 2020 7:56 AM
#252
DarkYuzuko said: alberto662 said: yes and fuck them kids, fuck that kid drowning i came to this beach to read my book in peace,kid being bullied? fuck him, i came to the school to learn not to help people to not getting beaten down. Person getting kiddnapped in a college party, fuck off i came here to drink not to be a hero and save people Please use more appropriate language! At the end of the day, this is anime is for adults, that is fiction, and harmed no one in any way. I do like how Elaina was portrayed in this episode, and again, I saw nothing wrong with her actions. Granted, I was a bit shocked after finishing the episode, but, I did enjoy it! It was like a breath of fresh air. Things in life are beyond your control, and even if you had the power to do something, you still need to think of the consequences of your actions after you help! The message in the episode was that you have no control over what happens in life. I am not a moderator, but please be respectful in threads! This is a conversation, not an argument! i wanst being disrespectful? im just saying that "expecting a hero" is saving an underage sex slave.... you can still do that and being a traveler, also she had all the power to do that, she can use all kind of magic and can fly very quickly, and the country it is just a village |
Oct 17, 2020 7:58 AM
#253
bruh i literally just watched people being used as food in a field of flowers in something else a few days ago |
Oct 17, 2020 8:03 AM
#254
It's pretty simple guys. She doesn't need to be a hero, okay? But at least showing empathy and compassion, that she feels terrible that she couldn't do anything, 'cause she's human after all, that wouldn't kill her. (unless they are really sticking to her character, a narcissistic sociopath.) We didn't get any of that from her. She's just so nonchalant, like "yeah, don't care. shit happens. imma travel" wtf girl? What a terrible written character. |
LemonadeYou-kyanOct 17, 2020 8:24 AM
Oct 17, 2020 8:06 AM
#255
alberto662 said: i wanst being disrespectful? im just saying that "expecting a hero" is saving an underage sex slave.... you can still do that and being a traveler, also she had all the power to do that, she can use all kind of magic and can fly very quickly, and the country it is just a village Okay and? She's not you! It's like saying rich people should help the poor because they're rich! You can't control what people do with their power and wealth. Although cruel, I like how this anime took a twist. I would definitely prefer a story like this over a generic anime with a predictable plot. I've been watching anime for so long, and I'm tired of seeing the same thing. Am I cruel? I don't know, but this is fiction at the end of the day, and I enjoyed it! If you're more interested in a slice of life anime where no one harms another, there's plenty of those this season! I don't mind PMing you a few recommendations if you're interested. (≧▽≦) I can go through your list and chose something that might work out for you! |
Oct 17, 2020 8:16 AM
#256
DarkYuzuko said: alberto662 said: i wanst being disrespectful? im just saying that "expecting a hero" is saving an underage sex slave.... you can still do that and being a traveler, also she had all the power to do that, she can use all kind of magic and can fly very quickly, and the country it is just a village Okay and? She's not you! It's like saying rich people should help the poor because they're rich! You can't control what people do with their power and wealth. Although cruel, I like how this anime took a twist. I would definitely prefer a story like this over a generic anime with a predictable plot. I've been watching anime for so long, and I'm tired of seeing the same thing. Am I cruel? I don't know, but this is fiction at the end of the day, and I enjoyed it! If you're more interested in a slice of life anime where no one harms another, there's plenty of those this season! I don't mind PMing you a few recommendations if you're interested. (≧▽≦) I can go through your list and chose something that might work out for you! man i apreaciate the offer, but some of my favorite fiction works have really shitty and broken characters,and it is not i cant stand people suffering, it is not the things that the characters do that bothers me, it is the fact that the show treats the fact that she is a shellfish asshole like it is nothing, and it even has the audacity to put a motivational quote at the end |
Oct 17, 2020 8:29 AM
#257
_MushiRock11_ said: I get your point about not doing anything in her shoes too, because I'm most likely to do that as well. I totally understand her reasonings and I respect it but a part of me just can't stomach it, that's all. Maybe that'll change with a few more dark episodes but for the time being, it was a fair episode at best for me. Ah, sorry if that post came across like I was aiming it at you specifically, I really just wanted to give my thoughts on that area in general and yours was the most recent post on the subject. I'm still getting used to the forum I suppose. Also, I totally only intended to write about half of what I did. Guess it's a good thing if a show ends up making you feel like you have a lot to say about it though. |
Oct 17, 2020 8:30 AM
#258
Oct 17, 2020 8:36 AM
#259
alberto662 said: man i apreaciate the offer, but some of my favorite fiction works have really shitty and broken characters,and it is not i cant stand people suffering, it is not the things that the characters do that bothers me, it is the fact that the show treats the fact that she is a shellfish asshole like it is nothing, and it even has the audacity to put a motivational quote at the end It's okay! I might have to rewatch this episode later next week and see if my opinion changes! I did watch it while I was really tired and sleepy, but I did enjoy it. I do respect your opinion and you have every right to say what you're saying! I don't want to argue or anything, and I think it's best to fully judge the anime once it finishes airing! Maybe we'll get more character development and understand Elaina more? Who knows! So far, I'm really enjoying this anime (along with other great stuff airing this season), and I'll judge the show in it's entirety once it finishes airing! I hope you have an awesome day! ( ╹▽╹ ) |
Oct 17, 2020 8:37 AM
#260
alberto662 said: DarkYuzuko said: alberto662 said: i wanst being disrespectful? im just saying that "expecting a hero" is saving an underage sex slave.... you can still do that and being a traveler, also she had all the power to do that, she can use all kind of magic and can fly very quickly, and the country it is just a village man i apreaciate the offer, but some of my favorite fiction works have really shitty and broken characters,and it is not i cant stand people suffering, it is not the things that the characters do that bothers me, it is the fact that the show treats the fact that she is a shellfish asshole like it is nothing, and it even has the audacity to put a motivational quote at the end THIS!! People who are blindly defending her actions wouldn't understand what you are trying to say even if you enumerate all the faults in her character. |
Oct 17, 2020 8:40 AM
#261
ShiroHachi said: They really push it harder in the LN don't theyWhat will happen to Nino after that? It's likely the same as what happened to the wife in that story, yeah, most likely she will kill herself Skipped scene, Elaina's monologue in the LN : I accidentally made eye contact with Nino. Her eyes were like deep darkness, and I mean more than just the color. They were longing, desperate, as if she were in a state of unimaginable despair. As if she were already dead. It was nothing like when we’d first met in the village chief’s mansion. What was Nino thinking after she saw the contents of that bottle, I wonder? What decision would she have reached? She couldn’t possibly— “………” No, no way. She wouldn’t. When I looked back, the wind was running through the broad meadow of brilliant green. The wildflowers shone in the sunlight, like the surface of still water swaying in the wind. It really was a beautiful place. But I had no reason to ever return. If I did, I would just end up feeling sad. |
Oct 17, 2020 8:41 AM
#262
The_Wicker_Man said: Ah, sorry if that post came across like I was aiming it at you specifically, I really just wanted to give my thoughts on that area in general and yours was the most recent post on the subject. I'm still getting used to the forum I suppose. Also, I totally only intended to write about half of what I did. Guess it's a good thing if a show ends up making you feel like you have a lot to say about it though. Oh no, no worries. I didn’t feel like that at all. In fact, you managed to change my impression of the episode a little so I’m thankful, if anything. Ah, that often happens to me. I have a reputation here of writing humongous posts so I totally understand, lol. Welcome here to MAL forums, by the way! |
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Oct 17, 2020 8:44 AM
#263
SatouMatsuzaka said: Kleista said: I think the plot is similar to Violet Evergarden. Every chapter, there's a new character and a new setting. The animation is so clean specially in that part where Elaina fixed the broken pitcher. I hope Nino can find her happiness. Not really..Violet actually grows as a character, and the episodes are complete, self contained stories that hold up on their own. All that Elaina has given us is interesting concepts but unsatisfactory conclusions. Hmm. That argument is irrefutable. Let's just hope that Elaina gives us satisfying conclusions 'til the end of this series. Majo no Tabitabi, don't let me down pls |
Oct 17, 2020 8:55 AM
#264
why the witch did not burn these flowers or try to help Nino? she's so unsympathetic |
Oct 17, 2020 9:05 AM
#265
kiwixcoke said: REMINDER: This is the 'Journey of Elaina' Elaina is a TRAVELLER, she doesn't get involved with other people's business to the extent she has to sort out every problem by herself, like you guys need to chillllll.. Yes, we understand that's the title of the show and that what the show is all about. What most people are complaining here is the portrayal of her character as someone who is so detached and showed no sympathy to others. I understand that sometimes, things are out of our hands and we can't do anything about it. But you know, as a human, when we can't do anything, we feel bad. |
Oct 17, 2020 9:07 AM
#266
Oct 17, 2020 9:25 AM
#267
apep23 said: Get the message boys. "Just because you are doing something for someone else doesn't make it right". Even she wants to do something and she can't grasp what is right or wrong. Hence she didn't do anything Do you guys even understand the utter bullshit of the phrase " Just because you are doing something for someone else doesn't make it right" in this context? you guys are saying that destroying the flower field and stop a lot of future deaths is not correct, did I get that right? and you are also implying that stopping the sexual abuse of a minor is not correct, what? You can argue that it is complicated to solve but saying that it is not correct is just concerning and before you argue that that makes Elaina s character more "human" that is just wrong because a human in those situations would be actually powerless to do anything, in Elainas case she can solve both issues wavering her wand with the second situations being harder to solve of course but still, now if you want to say that Elaina is mentally uncapable of seeing what I just said fine but you guys should be able to. |
Oct 17, 2020 9:26 AM
#268
Let myself be reminded (and you as well) that this episode created a lot of mixed emotions for people who had been enjoying this show till this point including me. The 3rd episode's discussion pretty much surpassed the 1st episode, so you know what. I'm gonna say what I thought again about how I perceive Elaina's decisions in Episode 3 in full, lengthy detail. WARNING: This is my longest ever discussion in MAL. It overshadows every long post I've done so far. I had to put in a spoiler tab for this so that this page will not be overwhelmed by my post. So if you wish to proceed, then prepare yourself for painfully long paragraphs and possible tangents. It's the first time an episode provoked me to do such kind of an undertaking. I don't want to skip on the opportunity and let my conflicted thoughts on this episode dissipate in my mind. So here you go, and I already apologize for it is very long... When I watched Episode 2 began, I noticed the changes in Elaina's behavior. For most people, the ideal cheery and beautiful Elaina we love was on Episode 1. But there was a time skip of 2-3 years, and in that time period, there will be some discrepancies on her along the way. She is a witch, and normally witches have never been fantasized as one of the good types of characters. Of course this is a different story, but Elaina never really embraced the role of being a hero and the idol of the masses. Her mother's advice to her really held dearly to Elaina's mindset on being a witch, "always stay away in danger and never overstep your boundaries", somewhere along those lines. Now we got that out of the way, here are my in-depth thoughts about the episode. So now we have Episode 3 and it pretty much opened to the usual positive vibes we expect from the show. A maiden wandering about the glamoring fields of beautiful flowers in the rolling hills of the countryside. It seems normal and a flower bouquet as a gift doesn't seem to hurt. But then the BALL dropped. The flowers are actually dangerous poisons, and when it come to contact to a normal human, it will be game over for the defenseless human person. Here's where things go wrong, Elaina letting go of the flowers and letting the guard burn it to ashes. Now here's the thing folks, in this universe of Majo no Tabitabi, they don't know shit about air pollution. And Elaina is not at fault here, the guard ordered her to hand it over, so she's not a 100% blame on putting the flowers to a burner. Now when she returned to those flower of fields witnessing the poisoned guard embracing her younger sister, what can she do? Is she gonna save both of them and have a sunny ending, sadly it is a no. The maiden already turned into grass and the brother already is satisfied having seen her little sister, and it is too late. The poison had fully affected their bodies, saving them from that such tall order will just be a lost cause for Elaina. She has no option but to flee. And with the issue of the people of the whole country, I mean she already left, she can't have any way of knowing that all of the people there have turn into mindless zombies. So Elaina can't be blamed fully, cause even if she wants to save some of them, somewhere on her mind is saying to herself that saving them would not be worth it. It is just not that valuable to her, a problem with no solution. AND YES I HAVEN'T EVEN REACHED HALFWAY ON THIS. Now we get to the second part of the episode. (skipping other parts cos its not important) Let's get right into the point where Elaina meets Nino. Once we just met her, she already frantically pulling and tying the apron ribbons when she saw a guest. Which meant that she is sexually abused by the mayor which is a freaking ugly bastard. His son wants to cheer her up by the means of putting literal happiness from people and other animals and condensing into a jar, seems kinda neat in some ways. But it can also mean that he had made means of force and suffering to harvest those joy of others, atleast that's my interpretation (wait I take that back but its still stated so it is not redacted). Anyways from the start, the son and the father pretty much is showing their ickyness from the get-go and with Nino unable and afraid to speak out, it shows that Elaina is up to something really grim. But she can't speak out because that will overstep her boundary as a guest of the house so she stands down. She can only hear the malicious intentions of the taunting village ayor about his reason on why he took Nino as a slave and the (sexual) pleasure he will get once she grows older as a woman. It is fucking sickening and so cruel but Elaina can only hear the evil from his mouth and will not initiate any interference because she has no . Cause if she kills him in plain sight, what will the son think of her in respite and what will Elaina do to him? That is a NO move that Elaina will not take. And then we got the mayor bursting his anger for Nino's misstep that resulted in broken glasses. Elaina took her wand and she has that clear shot to the mayor but here's a thing folks, she is no murderer. She will not kill nor hurt anyone just by selfish reasons. Elaina was never a hero yet never a devil, so instead she just fixed the clutter and let everyone in the house calm down and move on to their day. Now moving on to the next scene, the son does disagrees with the way his father treats Nino. Instead of giving him a wrong order, she took her will mediator to advise him that because the girl is feeling down, it is the right time to give that happiness for her. But I can already see an unfortunate flag from that action. And with that Elaina's stay has dued and she now travels away to her next destination. Yet realization hits her, she read a story from a book that is similar to what Nino is experiencing now. The boy's kindness of showing happiness to Nino's miserable life made her feel worthless. She felt like she has nothing left to live for and with that a sad reality ran into Elaina's thoughts. It was too late, even if she goes back she will only feel melancholy and the house might have already teared itself apart. It was never up to her to dictate someone's fate and direction to someone's life, and decides to flee and move on. What you and my idiotic self can take away from this very long essays is the phrase from the synopsis. "...with each meeting, Elaina would become a small part of their story, and her own world would get a little bigger". If you can understand this phrase, then you will get the true meaning of why she has a story. To travel, meet and greet some people and to travel more. It is not her plan to stay in Nino's and the flower maiden's world to correct what was wrong, because it never was originally hers. She can only see the problems from afar and will logically distance herself from the pain it might bring to her, which can hinder her travels as a witch. People need to understand that we humans and our characters will never choose the right decision every time, we make mistakes and some of them could lead to terrible consequences for others and also ourselves. So what Elaina did was for her own right and it is always up to her to help someone or not. Hopefully the show will not conflict us to this certain kind of level again in the next episodes. This will be my longest post in a forum. I know you might be itching your head due to my indecisive and unbalanced look into this episode, but these are my unfiltered and full on thoughts about the episode that made us see Majo no Tabitabi in a different perspective. |
Oct 17, 2020 9:32 AM
#269
You know what, I watched this episode again and I think I got a better understanding of Elaina's actions and how they tie to the core messages of the story: "Not all that appears to be beautiful is indeed beautiful, so don't let yourself be deceived by beauty." "Just because you think you're doing the right thing, doesn't mean it's right in the grand scheme of things, your attempt at helping out might very well make things worse." Elaina's first mistake was simply accepting the plants from a complete stranger based on how nice they look, this led to that stranger's brother going out of his village to the field and becoming plant food, the guy was clearly beyond salvation by that point and Elaina burning the field down with some fire magic could not only cause a widespread fire throughout the rest of that forest, but also potentially spread the plants' spores and get more people infected. We don't know how those plants really work, Elaina doesn't either, so is it really okay for her to meddle with that at a risk of making things worse than a bunch of plant zombies heading towards a town that seems to be capable of defending itself from them? I don't think what Elaina did was the most admirable thing to do, and a more emotional response from her would have been nice, but I think it's understandable at the very least. That theme carries over to Nino's situation: Elaina almost killed or at least gravely injured the mayor of a town where she's a complete stranger. Would that help Nino out? Superficially, yes, she wouldn't have to worry about being abused by that piece of shit anymore, but then what? The mayor's son would be left without his father, he obviously can't take care of the house and/or Nino by himself, let alone the whole town, it could potentially make the whole place fall into chaos. This reminds me of the first story arc of Fullmetal Alchemist (spoilers ahead for people who haven't watched either of the two FMA anime or read the manga) with Edward and Alphonse exposing a religious leader who's been deceiving the people of a desert town he now rules into thinking he's some kind of savior with holy powers. What happens next? Is the town better now that such a terrible person is no longer in power? No, the place was engulfed by civil war because some people remained loyal to him while others did not want him around anymore, the 2003 anime makes this consequence of Ed and Al's meddling with the town's affairs much heavier than the manga or Brotherhood, by showing how many people died since they did that. There's no easy solution to a problem that involves so many people's lives, neither Ed and Al nor Elaina made everyone happy with their decisions in their respective stories, and that's pretty much the point. With the way Elaina's reaction to the mayor's shitty treatment of Nino actually scared him for a while, we can have some wishful thinking that he could start reflecting on what he's doing and take it easier with Nino from now on. Then again, that's just wishful thinking, the show didn't answer what happens next and probably never will, instead leaving things in a very grim tone. |
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Oct 17, 2020 9:39 AM
#271
kidlat020 said: I wasn't talking about the situation i was talking about her in general when i said she is a bit of a narcissist, she refers to herself as a bishoujo and she shows off a bit about being a majo.Aversa said: Flesh eating plants a naive kid and an old pervert. I guess this is the dark side of their world, since the story so far has been pretty rose coloured it's a clear sign that not everything is as it seems. The question is should she have helped them or not i kind of like the idea that she isn't a overly righteous person since that's something we see way to often in anime. She seems more of a realist tho she is a bit of a narcissist. ehh, I don't think its neither realist nor narcissist. more like don't get too involved with other people or else your travel ends there. that's very much the exact same words she told to the girl in ep2. discarding her own words now will make her a hypocrite. she only interferes when its absolutely necessary and nothing more. for better or worse. She isn't exaggerating so it's no where near the point that it's a bad habit but it just stood out to me. Not getting involved and distancing herself from things like this is a very realistic choice since just like you mention getting involved would cause more trouble than it's worth and it might be the end of her journey. I think she realises what getting involved means and what the consequences will be. And in my opinion that makes her realistic. |
Oct 17, 2020 9:50 AM
#272
Don't butt in other people's business |
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Oct 17, 2020 9:55 AM
#273
It implied the girl in the story with the camera panning over the knife committed suicide and due to the similarities with that story and the boy and Nino's one its kind of implying she committed suicide as well. I thought this was a more wholesome version of Kino no tabi, but this episode felt very much like Kino no tabi, I wouldn't say nowhere near as good but I enjoyed it. The second half was pretty good it had a message. The first half whilst you can read some in it just felt ant climatic the mc fucked up and a guy died and I think she just left and well other people are going to die in that chain as well, it just felt anti climatic as a story compared to the other one. |
Oct 17, 2020 10:21 AM
#274
GangsterCat said: Don't butt in other people's business having slaves isnt other's people businesses, you have to be insane to think that |
Oct 17, 2020 10:28 AM
#275
-Aincrad- said: Btw, author previously said not to show any panties, so there won't be anything ecchi, making it safe for all ages to watch. Sure that's all good, but I guess it's okay to secretly /not so secretly show signs of domestic abuse and r*pe. Yeah, seriously. What the hell. I remember seeing that on twitter last week. Please, no panties...but implied sexual abuse is A-okay! Almost could laugh at that if it weren't so depressing. I'm honestly hoping we're just looking too into things that aren't actually there, but the leering at Elaina was also quite telling. Anyway, holy tone whiplash Batman! I had a complete misunderstanding of what this show actually is. Seemed like a wholesome, relaxing story based on the first two episodes, but I guess not! Drastically different episode compared to the first two. People were totally right to compare this to Kino's Journey. But it was certainly handled a hell of a lot better in Kino's Journey. I wonder what the rest of the stories are going to be like now. |
Oct 17, 2020 10:47 AM
#276
This episode hit me, literally. I thought I was going to see a nice and quiet episode.... |
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Oct 17, 2020 10:48 AM
#277
To be honest this was a pretty decent episode for me. Sure Elaina may seems like a trash human being due some her choices, specially for what happens during the first minutes of the episode. But at same time the fact that she is a flawed person makes the show way more interesting than if she was some hyper sensitive pure and perfect super hero. Not really sure what direction this show is going to take, but it would be really interesting to see her take even more decision that could seem as cold or even evil. At same time it would be also interesting to see the repercussions of her decisions. The begining of this episode (flower incident) reminds me a bit part of the story from the Tales of the Abbys game and how Luke (MC of that game) pretty much genocide an entire town by accident. In ToA's case the incident is clearly put there as a plot device in order to make Luke's character grow. In that case you clearly see the character trying to justify his actions at first, He tries to put all the blame in one of the villain who basically betray him and lead him to kill all those people that he was supposed to help which is true to be fair, but still doesn't remove Luke's responsavility from the incident. This attitude along with his actions makes most of his group to gang against him and treat him like the worst class of trash. After all that comes the admission of his responsibility wich also lead to depression and then finally his grow as a person, plus his quest for redemption. Sadly in this show case we don't really see something similar, I guess that this is what triggers so many people about this episode. The fact that Elaina doesn't seems to give too much of a damn about the whole thing. I mean if you think about it: many people rage about the whole slavery and child abuse thing but didn't even mention first incident which is even worse in my opinion... Why would she care about the slave girl and the abusive guy when: a) She didn't slave her b) Probably slavery is legal in that place so it is seen as something normal. c) There is a big chance that helping the girl could bring her trouble and could even be huge problem to herself. d) but more important than all that: She pretty much genocide an entire town (by accident to be fair) and she didnt seem to give a rat about it, in fact she made a troll comment about the man-eating plants to the bottle kid when she first meet him. Now this whole reasoning may be seen as me hating on the show, but is quite the opposite. As I said before: the fact that Elaina is flawed makes her character way more interesting than a one dimensional hero, even if she can be considered a bad person by real life standars. |
Oct 17, 2020 11:53 AM
#278
I have a really mixed feeling about this episode. I already expected it going darker, and the messages in this episode were good, he story ideas are the most interesting so far, yet the delivery feels off. The stories were too short, can't feel anything for the characters and the message ended up not so impactful. Also didn't like how the 2nd story concluded with Elaina's sudden afterthoughts. Would've been better if we at least heard about that story beforehand too. I guess this episode to me feels like a jot notes of story ideas. Two unfinished stories. |
Oct 17, 2020 11:54 AM
#279
Everyone who came from shonen anime after this episode: "oh shit! Why didn't she save the girl? Aren't she suppose to save people?" :))) |
Oct 17, 2020 12:11 PM
#280
That's was not what I was expecting from her personality, but I'm enjoing more this balance between being a good a person and sometimes being in this morally gray area Reading through some skipped chapters from the LN, she's able to do some minor bad things like scamming people to get money and not caring about using fake money from another country |
Oct 17, 2020 12:25 PM
#281
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Oct 17, 2020 1:32 PM
#282
What a strange show. Every episode starts with Elaina praising herself despite her mom warning her about it. And then I, well, I don't see the point of her journey. She has no goal, no idea about the attitude to other people, and, frankly, she's just too stuck up to meaningfully interact with others. And sure, I wouldn't mind a haughty and cold female witch character dishing out harsher lessons like the one in the second ep about the solitude, but she's just not consistent. What does she even want to achieve with her journey? She doesn't seem to have a set goal, even meeting other witches and looking at their work. She doesn't get involved, which may be smart, but then she should do it properly - not take pupils, strange requests (flowers), someone else's food (and her insisting on the size of the portion was impolite). She shouldn't antagonize people too with this mindset. And if she is interested in getting involved, she should at least try to help a dying person, who she has just pushed in this situation. She is motivated only by vanity, it seems. And it’s not the way to do a formative journey for her or an interesting show for us. Take this ep - sure, maybe she shouldn't meddle in family lives, because these conflicts are everywhere and slaver is legal for them. She expressed her disgust and scared the mayor, the mayor's son is a lower level mage who tries to fix things a bit. But her takeaway is strange. First of all, why didn't she think about the book and try to say anything to the guy before? Honestly, I thought she knew the bad ending and hid it out of kindness. Secondly, why is it so negative in this case, since the younger dude is trying his best and he's a mage, thus able to protect his girl? I think there's hope for the couple. And Elaina could've told the guy he was insensitive, why not? It wouldn't hurt the show to address the place slavery has in their world. Or to have any proper social worldbuilding, for that matter. But with the flower field Elaina was responsible for the brother's death. She did not mention finding a girl in the flower field to the old guard even after he had told her about the dangers of it, which was a bad move no matter how you look at it. And she had made an unnecessary scene right before, so she could've made some effort. And since there're monsters in their world, shouldn't she be more perceptive of it? The lady's request was strange. Why advertise a field? Elaina should've been more concerned with the fact thet she was used. And then she saw the dude dying horribly partially because of her actions and didn't try to help at all. I mean, again, I get it - the field was a major anomaly, she didn't know anything about it and felt it was not her problem, the guy was obviously very infected already. But it's a normal human reaction to reach out, the story is not about beautiful things having thorns, she should've felt guilty, and as a witch she should be more interested in the magic behind it. She's just meh atm. And so very boastful. Edit: Oh, and it's completely unclear what's the point of her being a witch in the story now, since the last two episodes could've been done with any other craft or without it. If anything, her flying freely takes away from a journey with no transportation issues (but adds to the visuals, ok). Why did she want to become a witch if she doesn't help people much with it, doesn't get involved with other witches professionally, doesn't study magical monsters? We don't see her use it for personal protection or to earn money with it too... She's basically "I am a witch, I am cool now, so I'll go around and fish for compliments" |
deadoptimistOct 17, 2020 2:15 PM
Oct 17, 2020 1:36 PM
#283
Man, I hated the no conclusion in the 1st part when the zombies where walking, where, why, how? Then the poor girl and that piece of sh*t, and she just watch that and doesn´t even give a f*ck, she´s a freaking witch for the love of God This is nothing like Kino, but well, I´ll give it a chance next ep or I´ll just drop it |
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Oct 17, 2020 1:46 PM
#284
Elaina actually let the brother die in madness and didn't even tell the old guard about the incident. And then, the story concluded on a cliffhanger with the flower "zombies" marching towards the town... what? Seriously? Was there even a point in including such incomplete segment? And the second story with Nino... man, that blonde kid's naivety was absolutely off the charts. I mean, who in their right mind would show moments of happiness and FREEDOM to a slave? I mean, of course the poor girl would end up killing herself. Oh, and how convenient that Elaina only remembered the end of the "husband/wife" story when the damage was already done. And finally, as for Elaina not interfering in both stories, I'm not asking her to be a hero or to eradicate slavery but hell, at least give some advice or alert people when there is danger incoming. Her not giving a fuck about others only makes her character feel less real and very hard to empathize with. |
Oct 17, 2020 1:47 PM
#285
Wow. I thought this anime is going to be more of a children story, so the ending of this episode really surprised me… it was creepy, but made me even more interested in the show. I’m wondering whether it’s going to turn into a really dark story. Also, it bothers me from the very beginning, how Elaina’s character is portrayed. She seems selfish, narcissistic and I don’t think that she was bothered with the tragedies happening around her at all… I’m curious whether she’s going to stay like that through the entire show, or is it going to be like a turning point in this story; maybe she will realize her flaws and try to change herself in the following episodes |
Oct 17, 2020 2:26 PM
#286
Hanfos said: what did i just watch i thought this anime will be great but maybe i was wrong this ep was horrible a witch traveling trough the world. watching ppl suffer and dying and doesnt give a single fuck i might drop soon if she keeps staying completely useless If that is your interpretation of the episode, then do yourself the favour and drop it. |
Oct 17, 2020 2:32 PM
#287
What is the point of this anime? She travels places to watch people get eaten and commit suicide? Like what? |
Oct 17, 2020 3:04 PM
#288
Its like an anime of The Witcher. This episode was interesting because it dealt with how much we can be expected to do in the face of evil. That is to say, carnivorous flowers are not evil, because its nature, but allowing a young man to be consumed by them is. Slavery is an evil, especially if the slave is abused and will likely be raped. Therefore Elaina is a morally bankrupt person, or an absolute coward to allow the situation to continue despite her power. I'm not saying that the show is bad, I just want everyone to know that if you stan Elaina, you're wrong. |
Oct 17, 2020 3:43 PM
#289
Def the best episode of the series. Will say there was very much wasted potential with the first story. That could have def been a full episode where we learn more about the characters and maybe learn about other ppl who have been affected by the flowers. It could have built up suspense about that red haired dude and how he wants to go look for his sister but knows he shouldn't. Then we she leaves on her final day in the county the audience has a feeling that he might have gone to his death so it hits way harder when we find him there. Ppl who are complaining about how Elaina has no empathy and should have helped have seriously zero clue what this show is supposed to be. I'm sure when you all go on vacations you stop to help every stranger you meet. Go watch more shounen where the MC helps every person he meets because of his OP powers & unnaturally altruistic nature. |
ProofByColorOct 17, 2020 3:49 PM
Oct 17, 2020 3:47 PM
#290
Elaina is a fucking psychopath. |
Oct 17, 2020 4:02 PM
#291
Wow, that second story was heart-wrenching. There’s the emotiveness I wanted from this show, damn... |
Oct 17, 2020 4:11 PM
#293
fuwahfuwaaaaaah said: kiwixcoke said: REMINDER: This is the 'Journey of Elaina' Elaina is a TRAVELLER, she doesn't get involved with other people's business to the extent she has to sort out every problem by herself, like you guys need to chillllll.. Yes, we understand that's the title of the show and that what the show is all about. What most people are complaining here is the portrayal of her character as someone who is so detached and showed no sympathy to others. I understand that sometimes, things are out of our hands and we can't do anything about it. But you know, as a human, when we can't do anything, we feel bad. for me it's more of the white knighters in the thread that bother me. you got a bunch of nay sayers in here saying "Oh shes not a psychopath." im sorry, but the medical definition of psychopaths lack of regret and empathy and the inability to feel guilt or form lasting bonds. as well as extreme narcissism (oh look another trait she has.) so YES shes a damn psychopath Zarator said: And that's somehow "heroic" or "good"? I personally prefer a character who understands when you can and cannot get involved over one who does whatever pleases her and still gets called a hero. imagine thinking my argument was around "heroic or good." kino is never called a hero shes closer to an antihero if anything, but her personality is much more complex then 1 dimensional character to the point they come off as unintentional psychopathy. it's about writing a character that can be relatable even if you don't agree with everything they do. i don't exactly agree with the destabilizing the kingdom and turning the entire higher class citizens against each other in a blood bath to compete for the next ruler, but i at least understand why she did what she did. MOST people can't relate to psychopaths there is a reason it's called a serve mental disorder. what makes the MC of this series worse is that she never gets development never really changes or does things interesting besides "observe." which makes her all the flatter for it. take kira from death note i hate his guts, but even hes a more complex character then this 1 dimensional so called witch. i didn't agree with his ideology or the path he went down, but i at least UNDERSTOOD him as a character. you can make amoral characters as a main character and still make them relatable even if the viewer disagrees with them. this character is not that. another example is a webnovel god kings legacy the main character character called lucia whose literally pillages and murders entire kingdoms while trying to become "a legendary hero." shes a awful person, but still relatable and still a fun character because shes still humanly relatable. |
GrimAtramentOct 17, 2020 4:32 PM
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Oct 17, 2020 4:19 PM
#294
hazarddex said: for me it's more of the white knighters in the thread that bother me. you got a bunch of nay sayers in here saying "Oh shes not a psychopath." im sorry, but the medical definition of psychopaths lack of regret and empathy and the inability to feel guilt or form lasting bonds. as well as extreme narcissism (oh look another trait she has.) so YES shes a damn psychopath If her expression after she saw the young soldier and the red-haired girl after returning to the flower field felt like "lack of emotion" to you, I feel like the problem is less with her empathy and more with your own, frankly. Yes she didn't look like she was being overcome with guilt - but why would she? Yes she did physically contribute to the whole disaster but, really, she had absolutely no way of knowing so in advance, and she was just acting out of kindness when she first carried out the flower bouquet - I'm pretty sure any decent human being would've done the same. You're free to argue that "I would feel guilty in such a situation", but to say that anybody should (or, worse, than anybody who doesn't is a sociopathic) is just moronic. Still, she definitely looked saddened to me - to say she didn't care at all about what transpired simply means that either you weren't paying attention to the anime or maybe you're just used to much more flamboyant displays of emotion (and that's frankly your problem, not the show's - even IRL, people have different ways to express their own grief, some more flashy than others). |
Oct 17, 2020 4:22 PM
#295
Goddamn, This anime is just going 100 to 0 too fast. I mean WtF just happened the show went from being sunshine and rainbows to HELLA DARK! DAMN Overall % out of 10 |
Oct 17, 2020 4:43 PM
#296
Zarator said: hazarddex said: for me it's more of the white knighters in the thread that bother me. you got a bunch of nay sayers in here saying "Oh shes not a psychopath." im sorry, but the medical definition of psychopaths lack of regret and empathy and the inability to feel guilt or form lasting bonds. as well as extreme narcissism (oh look another trait she has.) so YES shes a damn psychopath (at least comes off as one in this story.) If her expression after she saw the young soldier and the red-haired girl after returning to the flower field felt like "lack of emotion" to you, I feel like the problem is less with her empathy and more with your own, frankly. Yes she didn't look like she was being overcome with guilt - but why would she? Yes she did physically contribute to the whole disaster but, really, she had absolutely no way of knowing so in advance, and she was just acting out of kindness when she first carried out the flower bouquet - I'm pretty sure any decent human being would've done the same. You're free to argue that "I would feel guilty in such a situation", but to say that anybody should (or, worse, than anybody who doesn't is a sociopathic) is just moronic. Still, she definitely looked saddened to me - to say she didn't care at all about what transpired simply means that either you weren't paying attention to the anime or maybe you're just used to much more flamboyant displays of emotion (and that's frankly your problem, not the show's - even IRL, people have different ways to express their own grief, some more flashy than others). "oh but she made expression." oh boy if i had a penny for every novice kid in class psychology class that said that with people who had psychopathy i would be rich. psychopaths can mimic facial expressions without actually feeling anything. because they think people would make that expression in x situation. basically if they see people around them make certain facial expressions in certain situations they will mimic them to "fit in." and get what they want. theres another character from a kenetic novel series (also better written then this.) called fault milestone which ironically is another travel based series. but one of the characters they encounter was a sociopath during her child hood after stabbing out a kids eye she gets in trouble with her parents then spends years acting like she had changed while in secret she had been cutting apart cats in back allies. and eventually ends up poisoning her own mother to death. so if shes not intended to be a psychopathy then the writer didn't do the best job with her character job because even in later volumes she exhibits some more attributes to one. also you didn't address any of my prior points and responded to comment not even directed at you. like seriously dude wasn't even talking to you. |
GrimAtramentOct 18, 2020 11:33 AM
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Oct 17, 2020 4:48 PM
#297
Wow, this anime really took a turn. It's pretty dark. Elena kind of reminds me of nature documentaries where the one filming has to just sit and watch animals starve to death etc. when they could help but they don't want to interfere with the natural order of things. It's kind of cold-hearted for Elena to be so nonchalant about another person's suffering but it makes for an interesting character. You don't often see people like that in anime. In a lot of other shows, she would have stepped in and saved Nino from her horrible situation. Points for being a bit different. This is one of the better seasonals imo. |
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Oct 17, 2020 4:50 PM
#298
I believe that this discussion is only going so far because the story is not well written. The protagonist's non-interference could make total sense and not seem as out of place as it seems, but the anime failed to properly establish the reasons for this. Interesting ideas, bad episode in general. |
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Oct 17, 2020 5:01 PM
#299
Kleista said: This series reminds me more of the one about the kid driving a talking motorcycle that went to a different land each week. Some stories were happy and some weeks they were sad.I think the plot is similar to Violet Evergarden. Every chapter, there's a new character and a new setting. The animation is so clean specially in that part where Elaina fixed the broken pitcher. I hope Nino can find her happiness. |
Oct 17, 2020 5:19 PM
#300
dadnaya said: So just ruin whatever she comes across and run away? It's pretty much her fault the town has become like that, since I assume burning the flowers made people turn into zombies. No dude, it's obvious that it wasn't the first time the guards had seen the flowers. They were wearing protection and knew how to get rid of them. The guard recognized his missing sister's shawl, and it being used to wrap the bouquet of flowers made him realize that she was in the glade, and he went there on his own accord, ignoring the danger since he was very affected by the absence of the sister (we can tell by the way he treated Elaina, he wasn't OK). The rest of the zombies were other random casualties nobody was aware of. She might have intervened if had she seen them, we don't know. Her role is that of a witness of the world; she tries to be nice and give what little help she can, but she's just a traveler, a watcher, and above all things she won't put herself in danger. |
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