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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Ah, the final confrontation against John Walker. Pretty much a series finale dedicated from all the buildup and attempt to save Kura from her fate. Rather, I think it's a pretty chilling episode as the series did pretty decent job of build up to this point. The Walker threat is over at long last. Going to miss this show honestly. Underrated gem of this season. |
Stark700Mar 22, 2020 8:43 AM
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Well, I consider this series to be too underrated, in fact it is the most underrated series I have seen since Planet With (2018). It exceeded my expectations and I have very little to criticize. It really is a series that I've been waiting for week by week for each episode and deserves more attention than it receives. AOTS 8/10 for the anime. |
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| Can't believe it's been 3 months already and we're at the end of this journey, man I've been hyped about this since day one. Definitely sad to see it go That opening sequence was straight gas!!! The background music with the scenery, jeeez. Narihisago and Hondōmachi's little banter during the fight was hilarious God, Asukai's situation is so tragic, she deserves peace from all of this suffering crazy how Fukuda went from being a villain to best boy of the series, wish he could have got a better ending Overall, great episode and solid ending to an amazing show. Definitely my fave of the season |
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| I like the way they bring the first episode with Sakaido's hand being the savior of their lives and the whole ending of him going into the mind of a killer, but instead of the beginning, it's at the end. Loved the way Momoki and Kiki's conversation went because when you break it down there's no real good solution with only being is her going back into the pod and I love that she believed when he said there will be a person to come and save her. The VA work in this show is top-notch. This show... while it doesn't have the best supporting class and some of the worlds aren't as interesting as others, I loved it. The characters we do get to know are great, the animation was consistent at worst and fantastic at best and the overall mystery was fascinating and presented in a stylish and beautiful way. Plus, as I said above, amazing VA work. 9/10. |
It really do be like that though. |
| This ended being really good, not sure about Hondoumachi development, and not sure about Kiki powers/character, it's not perfect, but overall really well made. Kinda underrated, I agree, happy that I watched, and I really recommend for anyone wanting to watch something more meaningful than the things that are released nowadays. |
| It's sad that they didn't resolve Kiki's problem |
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| so whole thing is still in operation with John Walker being thrown out of the equation? Asukai said she sees people's dreams from other countries, so she still keeps influencing murderers? the show had its ups and downs, i found the well parts most interesting. the supernatural stuff was eh, kind of a downer to ruin the sci-fi setting, but i guess it worked out in the finale. tho the open ending feels more like a stalemate |
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| So JW did have a similar faux-justice as per Light. And that's why he randomly shot Nari. when he first made his appearance, cause he was the one who exposed him as JW hot damn what a show this was, the whole atmosphere was fukin amazing and the well's were super cool. The ending with Asukai seems like a nice start for a romance story lolol maybe with that new assistant dude. That last well with Nari. confronting Asukai looked gorgeous Overall easily AoTS for me and a really underrated show Id say this was a Well produced show/10 |
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| The visuals at the start of the episode, damn. Though in general they've been on point. Gonna miss this show honestly, it's been a thrilling ride from start to finish. Glad I watched it. I'm gonna remember it for so many things, and it's gonna make me cry in parts, as it's a very touching story in some regards. Great anime. |
| Hondomachi and Narihisago working together to take down John Walker was cool to see. In the end Fukuda died, which was sad. Poor Kiki Asukai. They still were not able to save her. ;-; Momoki did his best tho. Well, this has been one hell of a ride. 8/10. I'm going to miss this show. |
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| The final confrontation of the brillant detectives: John Walker a.k.a Chief Hayaseura vs. Hondomachi and Narihisago. Whilst the Kura analyists are trapped within another Well and also are trying to escape John Walker's predicament, the duo try their best to outwit him, the brillant gougy detective Uraido. From unconscious lies to deceitful naming conventions, all is at vain adding deceased Fukuda's implications (all their weaknesses) to strengths. "Sometimes it's important to place hope in a third-party", and that's what is done with Director Momoki and Matsuoka's vailant efforts to stop the Mizuhanome, Kiki Asukai in her tracks. But instead, Director Momoki offers her a solution, away from what John Walker has tormented her dreams with the entire while, but even that isn't a viable option as her "world" gets bigger and scarier. To save or not to save, that is the question to end Kiki's nightmares, and it's sad that he couldn't finish the job. Even if Sakaido eventually finds Kaeru alive, IT ALL WASN'T ENOUGH. Fukuda is declared dead, the villain that made good from his detective skills, it's also sad to see him go like this. In the end, it's Narihisago and Hondomachi leading Kura in the ID:Wells as business is back to normal. What a wild ride, easily AOTS material of the season! Gonna miss this show to bits! |
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| What a good finale! I was worried they would try to cram too much into it to give us a conclusion but they gave us an open ending instead (which hopefully means season 2 or at least a manga/LN). One of the best shows this season, solid 8/10. |
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Short_Circut said: So JW did have a similar faux-justice as per Light. And that's why he randomly shot Nari. when he first made his appearance, cause he was the one who exposed him as JW hot damn what a show this was, the whole atmosphere was fukin amazing and the well's were super cool. The ending with Asukai seems like a nice start for a romance story lolol maybe with that new assistant dude. That last well with Nari. confronting Asukai looked gorgeous Overall easily AoTS for me and a really underrated show Id say this was a Well produced show/10 He didn't shot Narihisago randomly, he needed his own kill intent particles to create his own well |
Ramcius said: Short_Circut said: So JW did have a similar faux-justice as per Light. And that's why he randomly shot Nari. when he first made his appearance, cause he was the one who exposed him as JW hot damn what a show this was, the whole atmosphere was fukin amazing and the well's were super cool. The ending with Asukai seems like a nice start for a romance story lolol maybe with that new assistant dude. That last well with Nari. confronting Asukai looked gorgeous Overall easily AoTS for me and a really underrated show Id say this was a Well produced show/10 He didn't shot Narihisago randomly, he needed his own kill intent particles to create his own well I mean, even if he did he could've easily just shot the guard beside him or Fukada, it seemed kinda weird to just target Nari. like that lolol |
'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| I overlooked this show when deciding what I wanted to pick up during this season of anime, but I'm glad I decided to go back and check this out (and I caught up last night, just in time for today's finale). The mystery was consistently interesting throughout the whole show and overall it was nice to get a refreshing original anime, as I feel like those have been lacking lately. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. MAL is literally just anime Twitter as its own website lol. |
| Nice Asukai Kiki was the highlight of the finale instead of John Wallker. He was dealt with pretty fast and I liked how they trapped him inside an ID well inside of another ID well. Felt bad for Asukai that she had to return in the Mizuhanome. Someday for sure she'll be saved. Good anime overall, had a pleasant time watching this. |
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Short_Circut said: Ramcius said: He didn't shot Narihisago randomly, he needed his own kill intent particles to create his own well I mean, even if he did he could've easily just shot the guard beside him or Fukada, it seemed kinda weird to just target Nari. like that lolol Well, his whole plan was to be find out from the start as we learned in this episode. He might've shot Fukuda, sure, but maybe he didn't resent him that much to generate strong enough emotion for real kill intent? Tbh, it was Hondomachi, who figured it out, not Narihisago. Also, he might've been afraid of Narihisago's abilities in wells |
Ramcius said: Short_Circut said: I mean, even if he did he could've easily just shot the guard beside him or Fukada, it seemed kinda weird to just target Nari. like that lolol Well, his whole plan was to be find out from the start as we learned in this episode. He might've shot Fukuda, sure, but maybe he didn't resent him that much to generate strong enough emotion for real kill intent? Tbh, it was Hondomachi, who figured it out, not Narihisago. Also, he might've been afraid of Narihisago's abilities in wells I don't think resentment is a major factor for the particle things, like I'm pretty sure all the other serial killers didn't really resent their victims lol. Yea it was Hondomachi who discovered but in that brief scene when JW was in the well within a well it showed what appeared to be Nari. stopping JW just before he could get into his well originally (i think i used the wrong word choice in my OP), so my assumption is that JW shot Nari. just to prevent that from happening. Plus, if he was afraid of Nari.'s abilities, I think he would've shot in a more crippling area lmao |
'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| A really good ending to the series, while it's sad the Kiki situation never got truly resolved, hopefully, that might leave the ability to have a continuation, especially since the ending was left rather opened ended. Something to note near the end, the "new recruit" that appears around the 21-minute mark, was a side character in the second chapter of the manga, so I'm hoping that this might leave the anime open to a continuation (be it in the form of a 2nd season/movie or another form of media) I think some people were a bit caught off guard with Fukuda's death, especially since the last episode they made a point that there was a chance for someone to come back from being dead inside of a well. Then again, he was suicidal so I'm not surprised. I miss the dynamic between him and Hondomachi though. Overall, I'm glad that this show managed to wrap up the show in the best way possible as things going back to a relatively normal state instead of forcing a conclusion. This was probably my favorite show of the season and gets a 9/10 from me. Short_Circut said: I think he would've shot in a more crippling area lmao If we're talking about JW shooting Narihisago, JW shot him in his abdomen, and while he didn't hit a vital organ, getting shot in the abdomen is hard to recover from as most people bleed out first. |
SakuraSymphoniaMar 22, 2020 10:06 AM
𝐌𝐲 𝐥𝐢𝐟𝐞 𝐢𝐬𝐧’𝐭 𝐚𝐬 𝐠𝐥𝐚𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐬 𝐚𝐬 𝐦𝐲 𝐰𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐬 𝐢𝐭 𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐤 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞. |
| The ending was rushed and the big reveal was very underwhelming, or perhaps my expectations were too high. First 10 episodes were amazing though, wouldn't mind seeing more mystery solving using the Well. Overall 8/10. Fyi ongoing manga spin-off for those interested: https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=157147 |
| Very good direction this episode and even though I'm a bit confused I liked the show, it stood out in an otherwise very mediocre season. 8/10 Also daaaamn the animation popped off at the start of the episode. |
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| Damn that was a great final episode. They gave us a satisfying ending, where they were able to stop John Walker, and they didn't kill Asukai, instead putting her back into the Mizuhanome, but with hope that someone will truly save her. I'll seriously miss this series though. I really like the concept of going into different serial killers' minds and solving the "crimes" that lie in them. But the worst part of this episode is... FUKUDA IS DEAD ;((((( He was my favourite character in this series honestly, even if he was serial killer. He became a "better" person in the end, I really like that. Had a hard time between giving it a 9 and a 10, but I'm gonna give it a 10 but probably will change it into a 9 sometime in the future depending on circumstances. |
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| whats the ED song thats played at the end? |
SakuraSymphonia said: A really good ending to the series, while it's sad the Kiki situation never got truly resolved, hopefully, that might leave the ability to have a continuation, especially since the ending was left rather opened ended. Something to note near the end, the "new recruit" that appears around the 21-minute mark, was a side character in the second chapter of the manga, so I'm hoping that this might leave the anime open to a continuation (be it in the form of a 2nd season/movie or another form of media) I think some people were a bit caught off guard with Fukuda's death, especially since the last episode they made a point that there was a chance for someone to come back from being dead inside of a well. Then again, he was suicidal so I'm not surprised. I miss the dynamic between him and Hondomachi though. Overall, I'm glad that this show managed to wrap up the show in the best way possible as things going back to a relatively normal state instead of forcing a conclusion. This was probably my favorite show of the season and gets a 9/10 from me. Short_Circut said: I think he would've shot in a more crippling area lmao If we're talking about JW shooting Narihisago, JW shot him in his abdomen, and while he didn't hit a vital organ, getting shot in the abdomen is hard to recover from as most people bleed out first. Yea true, but given how close everything was (as in the Mizu was literally right beside him), I don't think it would've been an end all solution to stopping Nari. from entering the well lel. Plus JW entered the well despite killing himself only moments prior, so I doubt he'd shot Nari. with the purpose of stopping him from entering the well |
'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| i wanna ask about John Walker's death and chase sequences because i haven't understood them entirely in episode 12 he kills himself, so his consciousness (?) lives as brilliant detective. Narihisago and Hondoumachi then chase after him, diving inside his id well. in this episode they lure him into a Mizuhanome cockpit and trap him inside of a limbo, where he hasn't killed himself yet and will probably go to jail my question is what was the point of this chase from the beginning? was it just to deliver "justice" to a dead man? he couldn't actually affect the irl world from his id well, so was this all just for a satisfying conclusion? |
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| welp this has a potential sequel huh since Kiki Asukai is still not properly save yet also its sad that the comatose people or people that died in the telepathy id well did not wake up so rip Annaido you were a good math genius though |
uninstallthegame said: my question is what was the point of this chase from the beginning? was it just to deliver "justice" to a dead man? he couldn't actually affect the irl world from his id well, so was this all just for a satisfying conclusion? i'm pretty sure he still could. the JW irl is dead but the one inside the well is still well alive, so my assumption is that he'd still be able to do what he has been doing this whole time, especially as his well allows him to invade others. Nari. even remarks that JW plans on continuing what he's been doing inside the well I believe. It's just that now that he's dead irl, they have no means of stopping him in the real world, so they had to find some way to stop his brilliant detective (which was that limbo thingy) |
'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| Brilliant concept,great soundtracks and excellent directing. Overall 8.5/10 I would have given it more rating If they made this 2-cour show like Stein's gate and focus more on characterization and worldbuilding and explained how Mizuhanome works and all sci fi elements. Also I didn't like John walker he was meh to me but saikado was good MC |
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| I’m genuinely surprised by the overwhelming positive response from this finale here, if I’m to be frank. Please don’t get me wrong though, I enjoyed it quite a fair bit myself but to a more modest degree, in all honesty, I suppose. A few things are still unclear in my mind such as with the whole fall of John Walker’s bit and whatnot and I feel like they just tried to wrap things up on a positive note for a satisfying conclusion more than anything. Overall, I’d have to say the last 2-3 episodes were a miss for me really, John Walker didn’t turn out to be an interesting villain despite all the buildup and I think that really damped my experience as a whole. Hondoumachi figuring out the god complex of John Walker’s from that question, and I’m guessing Fukuda played a role in this from the last episode (mind clearing this up for me, someone, as to how exactly if so indeed?), was a pretty cool turnout of events but kind of lacking in impact. Maybe that’s just me though. And then that pod placed in the well, did we get any hints for this before? Narihisago and Hondoumachi’s little banter to add salt to the wound for John Walker was a treat to watch though and the following moments of the Momoki-san and Asukai Kiki very touching. She’s gone through too much but it’s nice to see that there’s still a sliver-lining of hope for her. Not that we have any clue how that’s going to happen though. Heavy moment seeing her walk back to the Mizuhanome like that. Nice little “shortly after the incident” moments with the usual crew. Hondoumachi seems like she’s become a real veteran at this now, lol. Choice for the Acting Chief certainly surprised me too, I was sure it’d either be Momoki-san or Tougou-san taking on that role after all. Might be a little overdue, but what happened to that lady from last episode who shot down Fukuda though? Overall, it was fairly decent finale in my records. I felt like things would end off on a shaky note following last week’s episode and I’m afraid that it has indeed partially ended up that way. As for the whole series in general, the gradual buildup in mystery was a highlight of the show and it was really interesting to see how things unfolded. Out of the Characters, only Narihisago and Hondoumachi really left an impression but, then again, this isn’t really the type of show that needs to ponder on that. Villain could’ve been better though, I feel. Animation-wise, it was on and off but it managed to rise up when the occasion arises so no biggies from me in this regard. Sound Department is easily my favourite Department of the show, though. I’m a fan of Miyavi so naturally seeing his songs make the cut is pleasing. Moreover, the timing for the insert songs were on point too so that’s a job well done from me. And Sou for the Op, again no complaints lol. As such, I’m going to settle with a solid 7/10. Had potential to hit the 8 mark until the final couple of episodes or so. Wouldn’t mind a second season one bit though. Edit: Illustration from Animator Kawai-san: https://twitter.com/idinvadedanim/status/1241781270251593728?s=20 |
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| It was a nice anime but not the AOTS for me. I gave it a 7/10 because the anime shifted from a Sci-Fi to a supernatural-themed one, especially in the last few episodes. |
| If you read Eleceed you're automatically my friend. |
| Yeah I liked this show. Too bad they couldn't help kiki but at least she's not dead. They really turned Fukuda around as a character lol. The cast of characters was pretty good here. I would like a sequel eventually if they could come up with a way to advance the story in a good way. |
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| Brilliant ending for a great show! Definitely the black horse winner of Winter 2020. But now with Kaeru "upgrade" to the ID system I would love a S2 going full "Minority Report"! |
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| The anime has come to an end. I'll miss this show I feel like more people should have watched this. It's sad that Kiki had to go back to the mizuhanome I hope someone would save her but from the looks of it, it may as well be Narihisago that will save her. Well, the chief may be dead in the real world but he's forever trapped inside that mizuhanome getting punished. Fukuda is also confirmed dead well rip. |
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| So a simple emotional and straightforward episode to end!! I like that particularly after last 4 episodes gave shock after shock. Hope for a season 2 !! Also, did Fukuda really had to die?? I like his character and it would have been great to have him for season 2 if they ever make it!! AOTS for me :)) (10/10) |
shubh_jain_2Mar 22, 2020 11:18 AM
| 'I have no bonds tying me down. That's why I can see things as they are!!' - Yugami |
| I don't think adding dream worlds with arbitrary physics to a conventional detective story fundamentally changes the story itself, so it all came across as fairly average to me. Too often they solve random cases with underdeveloped serial killers who have no interesting motivations. Even John Walker himself was disappointing. The deductions in the dream worlds seem kind of arbitrary sometimes and not based on any firm evidence. That said, I've seen worse, and the show didn't seem outrageously bad or anything. My finger is hovering on the 5/10 option, but I am not completely sure. I guess I am not hugely into conventional detective shows. |
TheDeedsOfMenMar 22, 2020 11:51 AM
| It was alright, not some Nolan masterpiece people make it out to be but some solid episodes here and there. |
| I am gonna miss this show..seriously it doesn't get the recognition it deserves |
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| Solid finale and overall a fun ride. I wish there was more and that Kiki could be saved. |
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