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Esquirtit said: LOL Why do you bother with him? There are people in this world that have never been in a life or death situation where having to more or less do a 180 than what you are used to is necessary. I think you are dealing with one of those people who have never been in a traumatic situation. Even say simple situations like a dangerous and growling rottweiler is in front of you and you're scared. You can choose to run and risk it tearing you apart or you could stand firm and show it who's boss even if you are scared. Nobody is going to say you suddenly standing firm despite being afraid is "too sudden a change" in personality. Yet, I once witnessed that in a classmate who was very meek and cowardly do it once. Or at least he always seemed meek and cowardly to me until that day since I didn't know him well.@Yautja Jesus, all I said was "look at the post above you", you are fragile, huh. You're the only one who would make an argument out of that. Wtf. Do not pretend I'm as petty as you. And even then, before that, you came to similar conlusions but not with a similar thought process. No mention of historical accuracy, faith and Christianity. Let's no go there again, tho. Either way, you still have not once mustered a proper argument against me or @Metakite. I said pretty much the exact same things. You find it too fast, OOOKAY. I get it. I don't agree. Chaotic situation and trauma. Earlier development and foreshadowing. Comparison with Thorfinn is bad. Different background (royalty), upbringing, and beliefs. What's the point. Bye. Unless you reply again. It's sort of like certain rape victims that change overnight as people. The trauma and anger at the world seriously changed them but I doubt any MAL member is gonna fess up to being a rape victim to corroborate this. |
| And once more, Askeladd is a genius. To come out in the open was a great bet because later he would have been killed for it for sure. Now both Prince and Thorfinn hate Askeladd for similar reasons :D |
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| @MetaKite You're right but... he needs to understand he has no actual point. He is repeating "went too fast" yet, he thinks he came up with something new. He should put more effort in his critique. @Yautja Entirely different characters. Thorfinn is still the same ignorant dumb child who does't think about his father's words, filled with rage and desire for revenge. As our broski Daniel pointed out, pre timeskip Thorfinn wasn't even that different, in end of ep 4, ep 5 and first half of 6 he was already changed. And he has always been a hot blooded kid influenced by Viking culture. Here you show your true colours you... you... peanutbutter. but what happened to them and the justifications for their changes are near identical. Because both had someone close to them die... it's the same. Wow. In episode 13, we got told (during his quarrel with Thorfinn) Canute has a side to him he normally only shows to Ragnar, that he can have conviction. Episode 15, during the prayer, we see Canute struggle with his father's love for him and he had an outburst. In episode 18 he awakens because he realized the position he is in, he couldn't choose to live like a commoner after Ragnar's death, and accepts his real father will never love him. Ultimately he just embraced a side that was always part of him, royalty and conviction. That you don't like the priest's talking doesn't change anything when in the context of the story it drives Canute's newfound philosophy. Why are you talking about cooking? I spoke of 13, where it's literally explained through Ragnar's inner monologue that Canute has a confident side he normally conceals. With episode 15 ,I meant that Canute had an outburst when the priest doubted God's (Father) love, because it reminded him of his own father's lack of love. You're basically saying it's out of character for a sheltered prince to stand up for himself after his mentor and family left him behind, because you don't like it. He's not some random villager. He has the chance to become king and spread his convictions. A prince who lost his mentor/father figure and had an epiphany after talking to a priest, had people trying to capture him, left behind by his father the king, requires the same structure of development as an ignorant dumb child who lost his father who he barely even knew and understood because you say so. Let's agree to disagree. |
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| Yet another incredible episode! Thorfinn's still a hothead but i'm hoping that Askeladd making him stop and think for once with successful results might make him realise that u need to be smart as well as strong in battle! I can't believe how much Canute has changed in such a short amount of time and that he even gained the respect of Thorkell. Having Thorkell on their side is gonna make this sooo interesting! |
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Dariat said: So he won by cheating, what a let-down Tbh. That was the most realistic outcome. I doubt Thorfinn can take down Thorkell alone. |
Dariat said: So he won by cheating, what a let-down Define cheating. A duel is basically this, two guys fight, victory achieved by either knocking out or killing the other. Aside from that everything goes. To call this cheating is naive. |
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| That part where Thorkell sees Thors again escaping with Helga with baby Ylva in her arms, Thorkell knowing he might never see him again, trying his best to hold him back. Also that regret that Thorkell felt of not going with him. Finding out he really died many years later. I don't know why but that hit me hard, especially when I first read/saw that scene in the manga. Anyways, Canute proved how tough he was. He has developed the most as a character, even more so than Thorfinn as far as this arc and the Anime goes. |
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| AWW so nice of Thorkell to give Thorfinn some space to recover. And exposition on father Thors, mother Helga, the Jomsvikings and his relation to Thorkell, that he's Thorfinn's great uncle. Thors's decision to stop fighting and raise borne Thorfinn with Helga was a turning point in his life. A life being a "real warrior". With Thorfinn suffering from a broken body, Askeladd has no choice but to ride this hell to retribution and back with Thorfinn following his suggestions. And with Prince Canute showing on scene, Thorkell CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE HIS PRIDE, and stopped the bout with immediate effect. With the events of the royal family in disarray, he is nothing more than an abandoned, unloved child ready to face death anytime, anywhere. Even as it spooks Thorkell of the same spirit of Thors in Canute, he joins the Prince's side. To Askeladd too, HE FINALLY HAS SOMEONE OF LOYAL SERVICE. This episode's NOTE and curveball is the advisory, and one thing led to another, leading to everyone on Prince Canute's side, which is a SPECTACULAR TURNING POINT (times infinity)! Just can't dig this series enough! |
KANLen09Nov 27, 2019 4:36 AM
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Daniel_Naumov said: One of the duelists is a 50 year old man who's like 7 foot 9 and can lift trees up with one arm, the other is a 14 year old boy. Nothing about the fight is fair. Why would Thorfinn even care about it being fair anyway? His only motivation is to win so he can fight/save Askeladd later. Canute's entire intervention basically explains what a stupid waste of time the whole thing is. It's just an indulgent vanity. And there's no rules set out - the guys surrounding the fight toss Thorfinn around - that isn't 'cheating'? Slimcoder said: Define cheating. A duel is basically this, two guys fight, victory achieved by either knocking out or killing the other. Aside from that everything goes. To call this cheating is naive. One of the duelists conspired with a third party, which used an underhand method to offset the balance of the other duelist. If that is not cheating... |
| Throkell joined their forces now !! |
| Every time we get to see a glimpse of Thors I really want the flashback to keep going, I need a separate Anime for that man's life alone. Canute is filled with resolve, I wonder how far they would go. History books tell great stuff about his revolution, we at least have that to look forward to. |
| Thors beating Thorknell barehanded was badass, and i like where the story is heading w/c is a rebellion of some sort with them probably recruiting forces until the climax of a war between canute and sweyn. also Thorknell and Askellad's interaction at the end was glorious Canute's drastic change in character still doesn't really sit well for me especially when he spared Askellad after he exposed who killed Ragnar thats so out of character, and its ridiculously bad. the "strategy" was quite trash. it was being built up throughout the episode, and even featured a flashback that shows Thorknell has this weakness then all they did was blind him then knock him down? i'd give it 3/5 |
death604Nov 27, 2019 1:20 PM
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death604 said: Thors beating Thorknell barehanded was badass the "strategy" was quite trash. it was being built up throughout the episode, and even featured a flashback that shows Thorknell has this weakness then all they did was blind him then knock him down? He has a glass jaw/chin... Thorfinn knocked him out (so did Thors). death604 said: especially when he spared Askellad after he exposed who killed Ragnar thats so out of character, and its ridiculously bad. How is that out of character? He needs him on his side. Besides that Canute doesn't think highly of how Ragnar was okay with killing 62 villagers for the sake of him... he's clearly still mad at Askeladd tho, just takes everything he can get for his mission |
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deg said: ye Thors wtf is a real warrior anyway lol is it the state of emptiness/nothingnes like Buddhism teaches the true warrior is one who can protect those precious to him thorkell couldn't understand cause he doesn't have people like that wow i did not see this development coming. getting rid of a bunch of weaklings in exchange for three of the strongest force in this series??? what a win!! |
| I feel like most of the negative reactions characters like Canute and Thorfinn get are because people treat characters like when they watch shonen and the only thing that matters is if the character is immediately "good" and relatable to them. People don't like Thorfinn because he's abrasive and not very moral, but he is sympathetic: he's a traumatised child in a medieval setting, why would he be an upstanding nice person? Same with Canute. When I see people moaning about his character developing I get the sense they resent it because "what he isn't a cool bad ass fighter like thorkell not fair :(" and justify the criticism by calling it unrealistic (this is an anime where a 9 foot tall giant man swings tree trunks around and blinks at getting his finger tips snipped off - it's not realistic) as if that's some sort of critique of art. Like 15 year old Shonen fans would read James Joyce and go "wtf man epiphanies are unrealistic >:(" |
| Seems some people don't understand why Thorkell lost. He really has that weakness because he suffers from gigantism and this caused acromegaly, his jaw became big af so it's a sizeable weakpoint to hit and if you've taken a big punch or kick in the jaw in your life you know it can take down anybody regardless of size bc the shockwave shakes your brain around making you concuss. That's not something that you can take and stay on your feet. It's like a system restart for the brain Thorkell's only weakness. |
strategian said: People don't like Thorfinn because he's abrasive and not very moral, but he is sympathetic: he's a traumatised child in a medieval setting, why would he be an upstanding nice person? He's not traumatised lol People don't like him because most of the time he's acting like an edgelord and makes a lot of stupid decisions |
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| Shogi? Really now? |
| Well, that was definitely the best episode so far. Canute sure takes over the MC role and that Askeladd laugh was brilliant! |
Dariat said: Absurd statement. He's not traumatised lol If Thorfinn acted any differently his character would be completely unbelievable. No one who sees their father murdered in front of them and devotes the rest of their life from preadolescence to revenge develops into a normal person. Shitty weak juvenile criticism. |
strategian said: Dariat said: Absurd statement. He's not traumatised lol If Thorfinn acted any differently his character would be completely unbelievable. No one who sees their father murdered in front of them and devotes the rest of their life from preadolescence to revenge develops into a normal person. Sorry but I don't buy that, he doesn't look traumatised at all. He's just a shitty person He turned from a spoiled brat into an edgelord |
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Modernoir said: bruh really. You'd think most people would have ditched branding characters with generic over-used phrases like "edgelord" after the series showed episodes ago it wasn't anywhere close to being a standard story that aims to only appeal to shounen-lovers. I'm just telling it how it is. Thorfinn is the definition of edgelord |
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| I like Askeladd and Thorkell as much as I dislike Thorfinn. He is still an empty character and doesn't even seem to be a protagonist of this season. Hoping for his coming of age next season |
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| Cant say I've seen character development done this well. Bravo incredible show! |
| idk how i feel about Canute's sudden transformation but i guess maybe he was just dormant all along and just needed a push how old is Thorfinn anyways? Thorkell said that Thors was dead 15 years later after their last encounter and that was when his sister was still a baby. the sister seemed like she was at least 5 years older.....either i'm missing something or Thorfinn is less than 10 years old lol. maybe it was a mistranslation or a dialogue mistake |
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| @Beloving Or Thors fled 25 years ago :p. I think you mixed up how much time has passed since Thors died. Thorfinn was like 6-7 and his sister 15-16 when Thors died. So 15 years after Thorkell last saw Thors. Thorfinn has been with Askeladd for around 10 years now. |
EsquirtitDec 1, 2019 5:48 AM
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| Former enemy's are joining together behind what could be the new king! If they manage with this rebellion they will be greatly rewarded! Askeladd once again are quick to adept and take advantage of the situation! I hope it will pay out for him!! |
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| Canute made the show way more interesting, loved the episode a lot. |
| Another great episode. Nice to see more about Thors and how he got to where he did. Looks like Canute is all grown up. I wonder if we get to see more interactions between Thorfinn and Canute. Thorkell was very interesting in this episode - great to see how he admitted his defeat. |
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| What a phenomenal change of events! this has become beyond great! 5/5. |
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| Lack of music really is a big loss for me, wish they had some good osts.. |
| Oh no, they created real monster right now. Griffith is back, everyone! |
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| What the hell I didn't expect Thorfinn and Thorkell to be related. I mean, look at the difference in their heights lol |
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| So, Canute unifying everyone for another goal, we know more about how Thors escaped and Thorfinn and Thorkell are related. Pretty good episode. |
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| I love the turn of events!!! I'm so excited to watch the next episode after watching this one AAAaaAAA Thorkell, Askellad, Thorfinn, Canute all together!!! I can't--- |
| I love how last episode it showed Thorkell’s bloody forearms from being slashed by Thorfinn, but then you look at 21:00 when he’s speaking to Canute and there isn’t a shred of that remaining. Talk about bad continuity lol. Also a bit disappointed by the rematch between Thorkell and Thorfinn, it seemed anti-climactic. I’m just hoping the end result is as good as ppl say, since at this point in time, it seems like they are cutting a lot of corners. |
| Best episode yet! Excellent series.... |
| I confess i was becoming tired of the arc with the all the runway, but these last 2 episodes saved everything! Now all the badass characters that matter are assembled. |
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| Awesome episode, even Thorkell has joined the prince's side! |
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| IMO this episode tops last one, this prince is becoming someone I can get behind, a man worth serving |
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