Vinland Saga Episode 18 Discussion

Nov 17, 2019 11:25 AM

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Hatsuyuki said:

lihle808 said:
Oh, come on! Why disturb what was going to be the fight of the century, why? Why Canute, please tell me why?

I came on this episode with fiery eyes, but I came back looking like tuna. Not that it was an awful episode, but I wanted the episode to feast its eyes on the duel only. Not this Canute crap.

But hopefully next week it will be different.

No fighting, no action, REEE the episode was so bad !
I think you're better off sticking to stuff like Kimetsu no Yaiba bud. Seinen is not for you.

Nah, I have to decline both. attack on titan is more my stuff or berserk.

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Nov 17, 2019 11:25 AM

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Not gonna lie, I expected much more of Thorfinn vs Thorkell.

At this point I already that the gimmick of Vinland Saga isn't its action (and nothing wrong with that), but come on, they got everyone ultra hyped for that battle and it ends up being just "meh"... well, it's the same in the manga, which is sad, but the direction also was really uninspiring. They could've at least done some great animation like in episode 9.

BUT, Canute's awakening was one my favorite scenes in the entire show, even though it does feel too fast. Showing it alongside the fight was interesting. Very good episode as always!

Nov 17, 2019 11:27 AM

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emraanash said:

Gabisu said:

Understand my point is not about manga but prior recognition of a work, which make people interested in an anime and not because some studios.

okeh, what if it was made my some unrecognized studio or think about what if studio deen or jc stuff made it? many people would have dropped it after 4/5 episodes, a good studio already has a great marketing....... think about the non manga people watching the show....

I understand what you mean, although that would take about 2/5 from the public, on my continent, everyone still watches nanatsu on taizai S3, even with horrible production, people would still see kimetsu on yaiba if it was for JC staff, this I would have no doubt fact have everything that an average otaku wants.

Nov 17, 2019 11:30 AM

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Another awesome episode. Great mix between battles and reflections. Askeladd was right. Thorfinn and Thorkell both are incomplete as warriors. Thorkell knows a lot of things Thorfinn would like to hear. And the king has arrived. Excited for this last quarter of the season.

Nov 17, 2019 11:31 AM

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emraanash said:

lihle808 said:

I have to fully agree with your post.

Your point has opened my mind. The story isn't that expansive, while the action is often cut to size every time it gets good.

it should have at least some decent fight scene.... I mean, thorfinn vs thorkell its safe to say everyone was wating for that, but they gave us 30sec-30sec fight scene....

I am shocked someone agreed with me...... no one ever done that, thanks LIHLY..

Yeah, if only people would make independent judgments like you, the world would be a better place. They are living to the hype, and cloud their judgments with such feeble perceptions.

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Nov 17, 2019 11:34 AM

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BetoAupatleti said:
Not gonna lie, I expected much more of Thorfinn vs Thorkell.
They could've at least done some great animation like in episode 9.

Man some takes in this discussion thread are absolutely ridiculous. So one action cut from Arifumi Imai in episode 9 = best animated episode
I'm not sure if you know what you're actually talking about because the art and animation was outstanding this episode. And if you didn't know, there's this thing called "character acting" that also counts as good animation, it doesn't always have to be a fight scene:

https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/d3be2777831d19defe0f030fe08deb5d.mp4

Nov 17, 2019 11:37 AM

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lihle808 said:

emraanash said:
this story had potential, awesome characters, great animation.... but lack of story length and short action scene this is just a simple anime. Its a shame!

If Production I.G, Wit Studio wasn't related to this show no one would have watched it.

I have to fully agree with your post.

Your point has opened my mind. The story isn't that expansive, while the action is often cut to size every time it gets good.

The series needs a firmly flexible direction in the plot and characters to flourish more.

In my opinion this arc doesn't need an expansive story, in fact doing this so destroying vinland saga, its a story made to be a closed and straight, it's like a pan full of food, if you put more food, just going to be filling with things don't need.

Nov 17, 2019 11:39 AM

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Holy shit that character development though. The writing this episode was top fuckin tier.

Nov 17, 2019 11:43 AM

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Finally the turning point of the series is here. This was one of the best moments in the manga, and the anime did live up to it.
Love does not discriminate. There is no love among the hearts of people. The sins of our predecessor exchanged freedom for that loss. Truly amazing how Canute changed from a spoiled kid to a man among-st savages of men.
"Don't fight unnecessary battles with no meanings. I shall give your battles the purpose worthy of it. So follow me."

Valhalla ascension!

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Nov 17, 2019 11:46 AM

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New to the forum. Best episode yet! The pace was perfect, story telling was on point. I’m not a manga reader, so there’s nothing for me to reference so this is all new to me. I will say, thanks to whomever got the animation back on track! Impeccable.

Nov 17, 2019 11:47 AM

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lihle808 said:

emraanash said:
this story had potential, awesome characters, great animation.... but lack of story length and short action scene this is just a simple anime. Its a shame!

If Production I.G, Wit Studio wasn't related to this show no one would have watched it.

I have to fully agree with your post.

Your point has opened my mind. The story isn't that expansive, while the action is often cut to size every time it gets good.

The series needs a firmly flexible direction in the plot and characters to flourish more.

The story isn't expansive in scope with crazy plot twists like GoT for example because it's mostly character driven. You don't need an "expansive" story if the writing and character drama are good enough.

I don't get your second point. The directing and the atmosphere are on point in this series.

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What? Just because this anime is totally different from what you like doesn't mean that you can describe it as a simple anime. When ever have we witnessed an anime with such great depth, phenomenal characters and dialogues? Probably only 3-gatsu no Lion in the past decade.

you are right maybe I am missing the spark.... actually nothing surprising happened yet or in this show show nothing surprised me... do for me its simple, it could have great but its simple...

So it's not good because it doesn't have plot twists and that kind of stuff? lmao great logic mate. The story is only simple on surface level. there's enough nuanced writing in the series for people who want "deep" shit in their anime.

Nov 17, 2019 11:48 AM

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emraanash said:
this story had potential, awesome characters, great animation.... but lack of story length and short action scene this is just a simple anime. Its a shame!

Lack of story length? I don't understand. This anime is 24 episodes, the manga is even longer.
I mean yeah, the action scenes are short, and I can understand how that's a flaw, but I've always seen Vinland Saga as more of a character drama first and foremost, so I don't think the action scenes being short is that much of a detrimental.

emraanash said:
If Production I.G, Wit Studio wasn't related to this show no one would have watched it.

The Vinland Saga manga is extremely loved, so a lot of fans were waiting for it to have an adaptation for a long time.

Hatsuyuki said:

You made no point, you offered no arguments. Your criticism towards the show is subjective and you're clearly judging it for not pandering to your taste, which is nobody's problem but yours alone. The reply was so ridiculous that there was actually nothing left for me to say, it had no value, that's why I called you a troll.

Nobody needs to offer a complex argument on why they feel the way they feel about something, especially when this isn't a college-class debate place.

Nov 17, 2019 11:49 AM

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i do not get what is love they are talking about lol i only get that ye there might be no love in the hearts of humans so Canute decided that Gods trials and tests are not worth shit to develop that love they are seeking or even the paradise they wanted to have so he will do it instead of their shitty God

Nov 17, 2019 11:51 AM

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I feel this episode has finally cemented this adaption worthy of the name Vinland Saga. This is easily one of the greatest episodes of any TV show I've ever seen.

Nov 17, 2019 11:51 AM

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It's absolutely in character for Vinland Saga to disrupt the action like this, but in this case at least it can definitively be said that it was done with purpose, rather than meandering for the sake of meandering: Canute has been entirely unfit for purpose for a while now, so I have no qualms spending most of this episode changing that and making him in a suitable monarch.

And as for cutting away from Thorfinn and Thorkell's fight, while it did annoy me at first Canute himself said it best: it's all meaningless. Besides, it's not as if the fight was that much different to the first, from what we saw anyway.

Even if I have a few complaints here and there, this was one of the best directed anime episodes I've ever seen.

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Nov 17, 2019 11:52 AM

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lihle808 said:
Oh, come on! Why disturb what was going to be the fight of the century, why? Why Canute, please tell me why?

I came on this episode with fiery eyes, but I came back looking like tuna. Not that it was an awful episode, but I wanted the episode to feast its eyes on the duel only. Not this Canute crap.

But hopefully next week it will be different.

I don't know how you've made it all the way here and haven't realised that this show isn't really about fights and cool they'll be. Yes, its great that we get them from time to time (we have gotten them), but they're supplementary to the story and message the anime wants to achieve.

If action is your main desire from this show, then i recommend you to drop it and find something else. Shounen have plenty of what you wish for.

Nov 17, 2019 11:52 AM

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Tanooshii said:

lihle808 said:

I have to fully agree with your post.

Your point has opened my mind. The story isn't that expansive, while the action is often cut to size every time it gets good.

The series needs a firmly flexible direction in the plot and characters to flourish more.

In my opinion this arc doesn't need an expansive story, in fact doing this so destroying vinland saga, its a story made to be a closed and straight, it's like a pan full of food, if you put more food, just going to be filling with things don't need.

But what if you're not full, you need something more appetizing, and macaroni and cheese are just too plain for you? Because that's how I feel about this series right now.

How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb --- Dr Strangelove

Nov 17, 2019 11:55 AM

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RealTheAbsurdist said:

Hatsuyuki said:

You made no point, you offered no arguments. Your criticism towards the show is subjective and you're clearly judging it for not pandering to your taste, which is nobody's problem but yours alone. The reply was so ridiculous that there was actually nothing left for me to say, it had no value, that's why I called you a troll.

Nobody needs to offer a complex argument on why they feel the way they feel about something, especially when this isn't a college-class debate place.

It isn't, but given the staggering amount of idiotic replies, it would certainly help if it were.

Nov 17, 2019 11:57 AM

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Hatsuyuki said:

RealTheAbsurdist said:

Nobody needs to offer a complex argument on why they feel the way they feel about something, especially when this isn't a college-class debate place.

It isn't, but given the staggering amount of idiotic replies, it would certainly help if it were.

Those responses are idiotic because YOU think they're idiotic. How is your opinion more valid than someone else's?

Nov 17, 2019 11:57 AM

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Hatsuyuki said:

BetoAupatleti said:
Not gonna lie, I expected much more of Thorfinn vs Thorkell.
They could've at least done some great animation like in episode 9.

Man some takes in this discussion thread are absolutely ridiculous. So one action cut from Arifumi Imai in episode 9 = best animated episode
I'm not sure if you know what you're actually talking about because the art and animation was outstanding this episode. And if you didn't know, there's this thing called "character acting" that also counts as good animation, it doesn't always have to be a fight scene:

https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/d3be2777831d19defe0f030fe08deb5d.mp4

I said great animation in the fight, don't get me wrong.

And direction too (in the fight, so you understand, ok?)

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Nov 17, 2019 12:01 PM

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RealTheAbsurdist said:

Hatsuyuki said:

It isn't, but given the staggering amount of idiotic replies, it would certainly help if it were.

Those responses are idiotic because YOU think they're idiotic. How is your opinion more valid than someone else's?

Uhmm.. if you say so.

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Nov 17, 2019 12:07 PM

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RealTheAbsurdist said:

Hatsuyuki said:

It isn't, but given the staggering amount of idiotic replies, it would certainly help if it were.

Those responses are idiotic because YOU think they're idiotic. How is your opinion more valid than someone else's?

I'm sorry, but with this approach, there will be no point to any kind of discussion. Nothing will be achieved and all sorts of points made will be a wastage time when everything will ultimately be seen as "just your opinion" and made to stand in equal grounds with something which makes sense even if the reasoning and conclusion is outright outrageous.

Nov 17, 2019 12:11 PM

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excalibur977436 said:

RealTheAbsurdist said:

Those responses are idiotic because YOU think they're idiotic. How is your opinion more valid than someone else's?

I'm sorry, but with this approach, there will be no point to any kind of discussion. Nothing will be achieved and all sorts of points made will be a wastage time when everything will ultimately be seen as "just your opinion" and made to stand in equal grounds with something which makes sense even if the reasoning and conclusion is outright outrageous.

Sighs Why did I even bother...

Nov 17, 2019 12:15 PM

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All hail canute, the king has awake.

Nov 17, 2019 12:19 PM

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lihle808 said:

Tanooshii said:

In my opinion this arc doesn't need an expansive story, in fact doing this so destroying vinland saga, its a story made to be a closed and straight, it's like a pan full of food, if you put more food, just going to be filling with things don't need.

But what if you're not full, you need something more appetizing, and macaroni and cheese are just too plain for you? Because that's how I feel about this series right now.

No, completely unnecessary, the whole script is this race to Gainsborough, while Thorkell chases them, why do we need another conflict? In addition to the fact that the whole story criticizes unnecessary conflicts in battles, and all characters are molded over time, that is, putting more things (like a random army that wants to confront them) would make the trajectory incoherent and abuse pure free conflict. , this show is not meant to be an epic of war but a story of human beings, where even the clashes are not free but linked to the script.

He builds a pillar based on these things we have

1-the preparation for the rescue of the canute (that was to be a conflict introduced even in episodes before)
2-The very rescue that marks this challenge of Thorkell
3-The trajectory stops and the conflict in Wales
4-Preparation for the army to supply and in this midfield build and finalize primary conflicts (Ragnar's death)
5- The riot is the battle in the blizzard, which serves to attribute the meaning of the words of the Priest and Canute, which also encompasses the main message of the anime.

I won't spoil what happens, but that's solid enough, the only conflict outside Thorkell's line was in Wales, which was still resolved in a natural conversation and not in pure battle.

Nov 17, 2019 12:19 PM

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lihle808 said:

Hatsuyuki said:

You complained about the lack of action, and I said that if you watch more action, you should watch shows that lean towards more action, like those aimed at the shounen demographic. And you replied with

You made no point, you offered no arguments. Your criticism towards the show is subjective and you're clearly judging it for not pandering to your taste, which is nobody's problem but yours alone. The reply was so ridiculous that there was actually nothing left for me to say, it had no value, that's why I called you a troll.

Ridiculous is you thinking you know people's taste, when they are pointing out things that were wrong with your precious series. I have based my point and believe it was more objective than you trying to suggest me otherwise. I know the difference between a shounen anime and seinen, and I judge accordingly. Do you think my mind is as narrow as your to not know the difference? If I say this episode was this and that, I base that on everything.

Don't act like you know people.

One Piece is your fav right? Yet, fights in One Piece are considered the weakest aspect of the series. Add to that the fact that Oda off-screened a lot of the fights.
Mind you that One piece is a battle shounen anime.
My point?
Both One Piece and Vinland has good story and characters that makes them amazing shows.
But i get it, the the vibe you get from Vinland is the same vibe such as Kingdom and berserk.
But don't even think you will get one satisfying fight in Vinland. Also, the more you go into the story, the less the fights relevance it become.
Lastly, The story become much more interesting after the season ends in my opinion. Much better than now.

Nov 17, 2019 12:32 PM

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I agree with the ones saying this is the best episode yet. I never expected this kind of character development from Canute. But his dream of Ragnar, the dialogue with the priest, the fight that was going on by their side created the best possible scene for it to happen.

Also respect for the priest's words, for calling many forms of what we call 'love' a discrimination.

Nov 17, 2019 12:32 PM

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Tiagura said:

lihle808 said:

Ridiculous is you thinking you know people's taste, when they are pointing out things that were wrong with your precious series. I have based my point and believe it was more objective than you trying to suggest me otherwise. I know the difference between a shounen anime and seinen, and I judge accordingly. Do you think my mind is as narrow as your to not know the difference? If I say this episode was this and that, I base that on everything.

Don't act like you know people.

One Piece is your fav right? Yet, fights in One Piece are considered the weakest aspect of the series. Add to that the fact that Oda off-screened a lot of the fights.
Mind you that One piece is a battle shounen anime.
My point?
Both One Piece and Vinland has good story and characters that makes them amazing shows.
But i get it, the the vibe you get from Vinland is the same vibe such as Kingdom and berserk.
But don't even think you will get one satisfying fight in Vinland. Also, the more you go into the story, the less the fights relevance it become.
Lastly, The story become much more interesting after the season ends in my opinion. Much better than now.

You call that a story? Huh? Hey man, I don't get what you're saying with the fights, but this series promised action and that's why it included the action tag in it. Don't be acting like Vinland had the best story out there, I know many series that has a good story plot than this mediocre.

Tell me what's makes this series plot so great? The fight over the prince? The vengeance plot of Thorfinn had a great potential and they messed that up. Not that I'm salty over it, but other than that, the plot is so weak I could see through it all.

How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb --- Dr Strangelove

Nov 17, 2019 12:43 PM

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The fight was good, the animation on the fight sequence could have been a bit better, but in the end the fight made sense and was pretty awesome. People complaining why it wasn't that long, dude thorfin was literally fighting the second strongest character of their anime. Also the character development for Canute was fucking awesome. And ironically all the animation with Canute was neat as fuck. Overall, the animation on fight could have been better, but the fight in itself was satisfying. A 5/5 episode for me.

Nov 17, 2019 12:43 PM

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Very good episode but it could have been excellent if the pace chosen had been different. What I mean is that I found frustrated to move from Canute's serious talking & "evolution" to Thorfinn X Thorkell's duel. Especially because Thorkell announced or teased some strong revelations about Thors (what I thought was that Helga is the hidden daughter of the king but I might totally wrong) and right after such words, we got "trapped" into a totally different dialog between Canute & Ragnar.

The episode would have been really perfect if it had been splitted between Thorfinn x Thorkell duel, ending on the first one flying like a ball. And a second part only dedicated to Canute's ascension which was really powerful & rich in emotions. The ending chosen remains the best one out of all scenes, so that's why I'd prefer it to come after a part only dedicated to Canute.

Nov 17, 2019 12:54 PM

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Now that's a great episode. That drunk priest has seen his Jesus now lol

Nov 17, 2019 12:57 PM

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lihle808 said:

Tiagura said:

lihle808 said:

Hatsuyuki said:

lihle808 said:

Hatsuyuki said:

lihle808 said:

Hatsuyuki said:

lihle808 said:
Oh, come on! Why disturb what was going to be the fight of the century, why? Why Canute, please tell me why?

I came on this episode with fiery eyes, but I came back looking like tuna. Not that it was an awful episode, but I wanted the episode to feast its eyes on the duel only. Not this Canute crap.

But hopefully next week it will be different.

No fighting, no action, REEE the episode was so bad !
I think you're better off sticking to stuff like Kimetsu no Yaiba bud. Seinen is not for you.

Nah, I have to decline both. attack on titan is more my stuff or berserk.

This one, you can keep it along with your gwway prince!

Okay, thanks for letting us know you're a troll.

Troll? Just because I made a point you don't agree, I'm a troll? Then you must be some narrow minded freak who jerks off on their opinions.

You complained about the lack of action, and I said that if you watch more action, you should watch shows that lean towards more action, like those aimed at the shounen demographic. And you replied with

lihle808 said:

This one, you can keep it along with your gwway prince!

You made no point, you offered no arguments. Your criticism towards the show is subjective and you're clearly judging it for not pandering to your taste, which is nobody's problem but yours alone. The reply was so ridiculous that there was actually nothing left for me to say, it had no value, that's why I called you a troll.

Ridiculous is you thinking you know people's taste, when they are pointing out things that were wrong with your precious series. I have based my point and believe it was more objective than you trying to suggest me otherwise. I know the difference between a shounen anime and seinen, and I judge accordingly. Do you think my mind is as narrow as your to not know the difference? If I say this episode was this and that, I base that on everything.

Don't act like you know people.

One Piece is your fav right? Yet, fights in One Piece are considered the weakest aspect of the series. Add to that the fact that Oda off-screened a lot of the fights.
Mind you that One piece is a battle shounen anime.
My point?
Both One Piece and Vinland has good story and characters that makes them amazing shows.
But i get it, the the vibe you get from Vinland is the same vibe such as Kingdom and berserk.
But don't even think you will get one satisfying fight in Vinland. Also, the more you go into the story, the less the fights relevance it become.
Lastly, The story become much more interesting after the season ends in my opinion. Much better than now.

You call that a story? Huh? Hey man, I don't get what you're saying with the fights, but this series promised action and that's why it included the action tag in it. Don't be acting like Vinland had the best story out there, I know many series that has a good story plot than this mediocre.

Tell me what's makes this series plot so great? The fight over the prince? The vengeance plot of Thorfinn had a great potential and they messed that up. Not that I'm salty over it, but other than that, the plot is so weak I could see through it all.

The majority of people believe the story is amazing at this point. Though I didn't find the story to be great at the beginning just like you. But later on it become really amazing. The story takes some time to flourish. If you still didn't like the story by the end of the season, then you would definitely not enjoy the rest of the series.

Nov 17, 2019 12:58 PM

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I love how they transitioned in between Thorfinn and Thorkell's discussion about what makes a true warrior and Canute's discussion with the priest because they are closely related. Thors was the closest thing to love from the perspective of the priest.
Canute's character took a 180 turn but his reasons for changing made sense. Ragnar dying gave him an even clearer perspective.

The philosophy from the priest is perfect for this series because of the time period.
Perfect episode imo and I can't believe how many people are complaining about not having enough fights, just go back to watching cliche shounen anime, this series isn't about the fights only. there are deep themes to explore and complex characters

Nov 17, 2019 1:15 PM

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I changed my mind. This is my favourite episode now.

Nov 17, 2019 1:21 PM

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Canute dropped his nuts and bossed up, been waiting 13 years to see this animated, was not disappointed at all. Glad to see Vinland finally getting the attention and love it deserves, hate it had to come from Gigguk making a video but it is what it is. The story is up there with Kingdom, Berserk and Vagabond as the GOATS.

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Nov 17, 2019 1:35 PM

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Superns18 said:
Canute dropped his nuts and bossed up, been waiting 13 years to see this animated, was not disappointed at all. Glad to see Vinland finally getting the attention and love it deserves, hate it had to come from Gigguk making a video but it is what it is. The story is up there with Kingdom, Berserk and Vagabond as the GOATS.

Shh you might anger the spoiler fanatics.

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Nov 17, 2019 1:50 PM

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Worth the wait for this episode, they handled Canute's wake up call nicely.

Nov 17, 2019 1:51 PM

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Loved the transformation of Canute. Between Ragnar,the priest and the warrior they helped him wake up

Nov 17, 2019 1:51 PM

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I'd fully expected this to be an episode which focused on the battle between Thorkell and Thorfinn, but was pleasantly surprised that Canute was included in this episode to such a degree.

Having read the manga, the battle between the two seemed more epic than it played out here in the anime. Something wasn't quite right. Perhaps it was the lack of any emotive OST that matched the epicness of the fight.

Really liked Canute's development from a timid, battle-shy pretender to the throne that seeks his father's approval, to someone that takes the bull by the horns and decides on his own path.

Great episode overall.

Nov 17, 2019 1:52 PM

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cchigu said:
Easily the best episode yet.

"Are you saying that death is the true essence of love? Then what is that a parent feels towards their child or a wife towards her husband?"
"Discrimination."

5/5

He sure has an interesting view on love, one that I actually like too

Nov 17, 2019 1:55 PM

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The philosophizing was nonsense. Love is when you identify with someone else, or with an animal or a person if you will. Someone else's happiness is your happiness, someone else's sadness is your sadness. It is an instinct that evolved to keep people together.

There is way too much philosophizing and singing about love, because it is easy. You can make the song and anyone can listen to it, since no one can object to love. But it then becomes this big metaphysical thing that people try to twist to fit what they want it to fit.

And "discrimination"? To love one person but not everyone is "discrimination" and therefore not love? I sure hope the words meant something else in Japanese.

Nov 17, 2019 1:59 PM

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Hegar said:
The philosophizing was nonsense. Love is when you identify with someone else, or with an animal or a person if you will. Someone else's happiness is your happiness, someone else's sadness is your sadness. It is an instinct that evolved to keep people together.

There is way too much philosophizing and singing about love, because it is easy. You can make the song and anyone can listen to it, since no one can object to love. But it then becomes this big metaphysical thing that people try to twist to fit what they want it to fit.

And "discrimination"? To love one person but not everyone is "discrimination" and therefore not love? I sure hope the words meant something else in Japanese.

The Bible views love as something completely different than what you have described. The love you described isn't the love that Jesus preached.

Matthew 4

Matthew 4

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven.

He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get?

Are not even the tax collectors doing that?

47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?

48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

God's love, according to Jesus and the Bible, is indiscriminate. The sun shines on a serial killer the same way it shines on a Saint. He casts shadows over the hearts of the righteous the same way he casts shadows over the hearts of the unrighteous. It's true love.

Maybe you need to be more well read before you dismiss different viewpoints.

Nov 17, 2019 1:59 PM

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i want to praise the sound director and music composer..

Nov 17, 2019 2:00 PM

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Lelouch0202 said:
The conversation between Canute and the priest was very intriguing and fascinating to watch as the priest tries to show Canute what the true meaning of 'love' is.

No, he is talking about being unselfish and equating that with love. We have two words for them precisely because they are different things.

And then spitting at love by saying it's "discrimination". So if you love one person, or several people, but don't love everyone, then it's not love but "discrimination". Ridiculous.

Nov 17, 2019 2:17 PM

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I had completely forgotten about the epicness of canute and wasn't expecting it cuz the hype of thorfinn vs thorkell even if already read the manga a long time ago myself, i got caught like a anime only lol can't believe how simple words(they actually are deep af) and the last shot got me so excited just like that moment of attack on titan when

but in another level. Best episode so far

Nov 17, 2019 2:46 PM

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Am I the only one who found the prince transformation unconvincing? I mean, the episode was mostly ok otherwise and I liked the symbolism with apple but as for his catharsis I find it very weak (to change him into completely different character).

Also, not sure about the fight... it was kinda underwhelming as they only gave us several snippets of it, dragging it over three episodes now.

Nov 17, 2019 2:51 PM

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"Meaning? Did you say meaning? The meaning of your battles? There is no meaning to a battle like this. So, don't die. /
Warriors. Become my vassals. I shall teach you about when you must fight, and against whom.
I shall give meaning to your battles. To your life and death.
That's what the duty of a king is."

Damn chills. Slay 'em all "queen"!

Seriously tho. Canute is to die for. What a badass.
Those words just make you wanna serve him yourself.

Nov 17, 2019 2:52 PM

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Great episode. It was quite philosophical, more so than I expected, which was enjoyable (even if I disagree with that philosophy of love).

Enjoyed the fight between Thorfinn and Thorkell, and have let the exaggerated impossible battles in this series slide since they are fun to watch at this point and do no damage to the overall story.

I knew Canute was going to get a testosterone injection at some point in the series but it still hit me out of nowhere.

Nov 17, 2019 3:01 PM

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"King Sweyn may have been your father, boy. But he wasn't your daddy."

Manga recommendation:
- Spy x Family (Ch.107/? - biweekly) | Sakamoto Days (Ch.191/? - weekly)
- MARRIAGETOXIN (Ch.108/? - weekly) | Machi and Oboro (Ch.16/? - biweekly)
- Make the Exorcist Fall in Love (Ch.78/? - biweekly)
- You and I Are Polar Opposites (Ch.65 - Finished)
Anime recommendation:
- Deca-Dence (Finished) | Wave, Listen to Me! (Finished)
- If My Favorite Pop Idol Made It to the Budokan, I Would Die (Finished)
- Diary of Our Days at the Breakwater (Finished)

Nov 17, 2019 3:08 PM

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lihle808 said:

emraanash said:

it should have at least some decent fight scene.... I mean, thorfinn vs thorkell its safe to say everyone was wating for that, but they gave us 30sec-30sec fight scene....

I am shocked someone agreed with me...... no one ever done that, thanks LIHLY..

Yeah, if only people would get out of their precious studio's hairy balls, and make independent judgments like you, the world would be a better place. They are living to the hype, and cloud their judgments with such feeble perceptions.

Get off your high horse kid. You're not better than fans of this show just because you like it less.

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