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JOELbedulla said: windeen-windy said: Arina(or was it Arima?) Wasn't dead. Not physically, anyway. No idea what your talking about, there. She was dead on the inside, yeah- that is certain. And, yeah, to a child, its very likely, that that, along with everything else she saw in her home, was going to kill her spirit and mind. She didn't seem to have a really good emotional strength, the attack was the last straw. But, I dont know where you saw her physically dead. And, ANYWAY! "It's too unbelievable"... What is, exactly? That a person might die from violence? A really brutal episode of rape, could kill someone, if it involved other violence, and the victim had no medical help. Even with medical help, in really bad cases, the person might still die. As for the statement before the comments about just her. This comment, is what I am referring to: "Jigoku Shoujo needs to be a little realistic at times, I refuse to believe that there are mean people like this in the world." ...... You're serious? First off: Its about a girl who damns people to hell at the request of others..... Second: I'm sorry, but if you don't believe that there are people like this in the world, then you must be very sheltered and very young and very naïve. By the time I was 8- I knew there were evil people in the world. Hell, by that age, I had been driven to suicidal thoughts as well as a near nervous brake down at the age of 10, when my mother figured out how to get me out of the situation that was causing it. So, I really cannot stand stupidly naïve COMENTS(not saying your stupid, there is a diff, smart people say stupid things often), and naïve people who say things like that and think the world is a happy little place with no evil or as you put it: "mean" people in it. I'm sorry if that's being too harsh. But that mindset is likely to be harmful to yourself, or others in the future. I would not wish any kind of abuse on anyone, but I would really love to slap all of the naïve people I run into, (who should not be naïve, if they have watched at least 5-10 anime's above the age ratings of hello kitty and pokemon) with reality and knowledge. Yes, Hell Girl was being real, in this episode. This was the first out of this season that was actually real (the first tried to be, but didn't make the cut) and the second was just.... Weird. Now, as for everyone else who is outraged by rape in this series. You must not have seen the police chief's daughter, Akie, get raped in the 3rd season. She was the friend of Yuzuki, who was suppose to work as the new Hell Girl. And, anyway, where is she? That sad little girl doesn't look like Yuzuki- I expected her to be training under Ai, or something. I am so sorry that you think I'm naïve, sheltered and young. I was really badly bullied and I know what bullying feels nice. No, I don't feel safe and protected every moment, but I don't want to look at life negatively. I agree that life is unfair sometimes and bad people exist, but this episode was shit. Can we please accept this? You are right when you say that the world is not a happy place, but that's why we watch anime right? To escape reality. Then you shouldn't request reality in an anime. I was bullied and abused to the point of being suicidal between the ages of 7 and 10), and left, to this day, with SEVERE fear of people and equally bad PTSD. The only way for some people to survive that, is to learn that there's as many, if not more than, bad people, as there is good. The good ones are harder to find. And no. I watch anime to not get away from reality. I do it because, for the most part, it makes me feel better (or in the case of shows like hell girl - reminds me that my issues are not as bad as they could be). Anime, is actually one of the things that pulled me out of my suicidal thoughts, after my mother removed me from school and started home schooling me. I had a case of Stockholm syndrome hit me hard for the first year, I didn't know what to do with myself when I was no longer being physically beaten by the teachers and students, or mentally and emotionally tormented, by them, day in and out anymore. I actually missed them, and cried because of it. I couldn't function without my mom telling me to get up, take a bath, eat, sleep, go out and play and so on. I just sat like a catatonic doll when no one told me to do something. There were times when I got in trouble just to be scolded, and begged my mother to tell me what to do when I was lost. It took me 3-4 years to get my free will back, because I had just been broken. I had a steak knife at school, the last time I was there, and had been threatening to slip my wrists, or stab someone if they touched me again. As soon as I had walked into that school, that day(Valentine's day, 1995), I was physically and emotionally attacked by both students, and my teacher. And it was all just the last straw. Yet, I couldn't function without that and thought I might go insane for missing it all. And therapists couldn't deal with me. Medicating me made the symptoms worse, not better and agrivayed health problems. The anime (Sailor moon, Pokemon, DBZ and Digimon, at first) helped me focus on something else, I was obsessed for years, I needed it to survive, that's how messed up my head was. I was like a drug addict. I was seriously addicted. And likely still am at age 32, but I can go weeks without watching much anime (lol, and a few days without any). And, I'm sorry if I insulted you, but refusing to acknowledge the evil in the world, for wanting to see the good, is naïve and harmful (if large numbers of people think that way). You can acknowledge both of them, and accept that they are both very real. For every good person, I believe there are at lease 4 bad, and its likely a self defense mechanism on my part. I don't trust or distrust anyone until I can read them well enough. Or until they give me a reason, to do so. |
windeen-windyJul 29, 2017 12:31 PM
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World_Creator said: I love this family lol incest, incest rape, violence, NTR, torture, bullying, dismembering, murder Relation between cousins is not considered to be incest in many countries |
| The best episode from this season, loved it THIS IS HOW HELL GIRL SHOULD BE! |
JOELbedulla said: windeen-windy said: Then you shouldn't request reality in an anime. I was bullied and abused to the point of being suicidal between the ages of 7 and 10), and left, to this day, with SEVERE fear of people and equally bad PTSD. The only way for some people to survive that, is to learn that there's as many, if not more than, bad people, as there is good. The good ones are harder to find. And no. I watch anime to not get away from reality. I do it because, for the most part, it makes me feel better (or in the case of shows like hell girl - reminds me that my issues are not as bad as they could be). Anime, is actually one of the things that pulled me out of my suicidal thoughts, after my mother removed me from school and started home schooling me. I had a case of Stockholm syndrome hit me hard for the first year, I didn't know what to do with myself when I was no longer being physically beaten by the teachers and students, or mentally and emotionally tormented, by them, day in and out anymore. I actually missed them, and cried because of it. I couldn't function without my mom telling me to get up, take a bath, eat, sleep, go out and play and so on. I just sat like a catatonic doll when no one told me to do something. There were times when I got in trouble just to be scolded, and begged my mother to tell me what to do when I was lost. It took me 3-4 years to get my free will back, because I had just been broken. I had a steak knife at school, the last time I was there, and had been threatening to slip my wrists, or stab someone if they touched me again. As soon as I had walked into that school, that day(Valentine's day, 1995), I was physically and emotionally attacked by both students, and my teacher. And it was all just the last straw. Yet, I couldn't function without that and thought I might go insane for missing it all. And therapists couldn't deal with me. Medicating me made the symptoms worse, not better and agrivayed health problems. The anime (Sailor moon, Pokemon, DBZ and Digimon, at first) helped me focus on something else, I was obsessed for years, I needed it to survive, that's how messed up my head was. I was like a drug addict. I was seriously addicted. And likely still am at age 32, but I can go weeks without watching much anime (lol, and a few days without any). And, I'm sorry if I insulted you, but refusing to acknowledge the evil in the world, for wanting to see the good, is naïve and harmful (if large numbers of people think that way). You can acknowledge both of them, and accept that they are both very real. For every good person, I believe there are at lease 4 bad, and its likely a self defense mechanism on my part. I don't trust or distrust anyone until I can read them well enough. Or until they give me a reason, to do so. I'm really sorry that you've been through that. I know fellow students can be bad, but I've never heard of a teacher bullying a student physically. (It never happened to me) But some of my teachers were racist and shouted at me for no reason. Still, your story is 100 times worse, I wish you all the best and hope you recover from this. You need to be a little optimistic though Well, its been 22 years, and I doubt I'll get over it, but I am better. If i tell people, they usually greatly dissbelieve me. However, Abuse by teachers happens (or used to, anyway, I think it still does, actually) quite a lot, if the student has an issue that the teacher doesn't like (in my case, it was dyslexia, and I had an accent from a different part of the country, than from the teacher's and student's accents) and I've seen it to a lesser extent in anime's. In my case, they were stupid people who did not want to tolerate or understand. It was my whole class, with a few exceptions, who ignored me for self preservation's sake, and it was 4-5 different teachers - including the principal in one school (didn't help that we moved a lot 17 times in my first 7 years) and spanned about 3 normal classes and one special class for students with learning differences. Other teachers tried to help, they were repremanced because they weren't my main or special end teacher. In any case, as I've said, it's been 22 years, now. I'm not likely to be more optimistic. We'll just agree to disagree, I suppose. I think doubting about how evil people can be is dangerous (to the person with that mindset (not to mention, somewhat ignorant(not calling you ignorant, just the mindset) as well), and to those around them) and naïve, and you don't. |
windeen-windyJul 29, 2017 2:49 PM
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thepath said: World_Creator said: I love this family lol incest, incest rape, violence, NTR, torture, bullying, dismembering, murder Relation between cousins is not considered to be incest in many countries Well shit, my country does, and even the meaning of the word "incest" globally that would be incest but yeah I get ya I respect every countries sovereignty |
| this episode gave me so much anxiety im shaking |
| I'm only here for the comments. Lizyea said: lol its so fun for me to read your guys comments. This episode was fun. They are almost exacly like my family only with slight changes. None of my parents came home, but married their lover and have kids with them now, each living in a different country. They send me money thou Also my mum went into jail for her lover. He was in jail too. I have 1 big brother. Who wasnt as kind as him. More like the big sis of them I was raped by someone outside of my family. I did not become a murderer :,D and I wont. That boy is weak. Its almost like reading a review of ones life :D Dont pity people because of their past. Thats not exacly helping anyone. Whats in the past is in the past and what will be in the future is decided by oneself cheers PS: Also check out my IG Elize_ye to see how awesome I turned out Im quite awesome srsly :D More power to ya. |
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| Holy shit. Can people really be that evil. Like seriously. But tell me something, if the option of just killing people is there, why use Jigoku Shoujo at all? You're going to hell for sure for sending that disgusting cousin to hell, but you could've just poisioned his food or stabbed him in his sleep. Please don't tell me you're scared of jail. 1) you're a minor. 2) is it really worse than going to hell? 3) if you're gonna be a serial killer you can still get caught. Or better yet, CALL THE POLICE. CALL THEM. |
| I believe this episode must be one of the most dark/sad. That whole family deserve the hell! In the end, even the good boy turned into a psychopath... |
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| That was a fucked up family... event the brother gettin more fucked up |
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| Since Futakomori this franchise became mostly garbage with a few good episodes here and there, but this is easily the worst one. Terrible edgy writting relying only on shock value and an awful animation and direction. At this point I'm just watching for the laughs. |
| I remember watching this slow-paced show since I was a teenager. For example, I felt sad when some puppies were killed and I felt like the hatery was deserved. I remember getting excited when Enma was about to execute the revenge. Her grandma called her and said "your kimono is ready"; she boarded her creepy Wanyuudo carriage and tortured those who behaved in horrible ways. After that, we saw a calm Emna paddling in a river as she passed through the gates of hell. This 3 Jigoku Shoujo episodes have been Enma's torture for us, the viewers. I blame 2 things: 1) We have way too many useless characters. Yamawaro, Kikuri (she was cool at first, but now she's just annoying) and that new girl who just says "omg this is bad guys". We even lost good characters in the process. 2)They are trying way too hard to make you hate someone. I mean, a family who's evil. All of the family is evil. Another girl just punched her friend and got sent to hell. When I saw the opening I thought the animation was going to be better, but we get horrible faces, horrible drawings, horrible pacing (we don't even see tortures anymore, Enma just paddles quickly so the episode can end) and horrible writing. They should have just ended with the last season, there was no need to continue this story if they were not going to do a good job. |
| I feel like puking after this |
| wow they went crazy with this one. They might have gone a little over the top with the amount of insanity for one family but there could be a case like this. The animation though this time was SO ROUGH. I've never seen hell girl's quality drop this low. There was a time when the mom was eating toast for breakfast that they didn't even animate the eating that well. I can't blame them and understand why that might be but the animation quality is one of the worst in this series yet. I realize they have to make Ai look pretty but damn. |
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| I might actually be in the minority here but I felt this story in this episode was rushed. As horrific as the subject matter and characters were, I think it would have had an even greater impact with better pacing, maybe across a couple of episodes since there was so much going on (though I know that isn't usually something this show does). Also kind of missing the more bizarre Hell sequences. I don't believe Arina was raped either as the door (despite having plenty of holes) seemed to still be closed (I may have to rewatch that section again to say for sure), either way, the stress it would have put on her would have been enough to have broken her :( |
| If you're going to put up a show of torture...I'm sorry, but I'd rather leave the stage. – Furude Rika, Higurashi no Naku Koro ni |
| My mouth was stil open throughout this episode. ..OMFG |
| Does there have to be an annoying righteous character in every season? :) The animation needs to be fixed. The only well drawn characters are the main...sometimes. |
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Lizyea said: lol its so fun for me to read your guys comments. This episode was fun. They are almost exacly like my family only with slight changes. None of my parents came home, but married their lover and have kids with them now, each living in a different country. They send me money thou Also my mum went into jail for her lover. He was in jail too. I have 1 big brother. Who wasnt as kind as him. More like the big sis of them I was raped by someone outside of my family. I did not become a murderer :,D and I wont. That boy is weak. Its almost like reading a review of ones life :D Dont pity people because of their past. Thats not exacly helping anyone. Whats in the past is in the past and what will be in the future is decided by oneself cheers PS: Also check out my IG Elize_ye to see how awesome I turned out Im quite awesome srsly :D Oh.My.God Btw, you're awesome :D |
| The production quality was the saddest thing in this episode. |
GildeshAug 6, 2017 9:40 PM
| I don't think the Arina girl was raped even though he was attempting to rape her. She had all her clothes on and they arent even dishevelled and the holes in the door were not big enough for a hand to fit through to open the door. She was just shaken up from that because the guy was probably pounding on the door yelling at her for over an hour. Rape isnt the only thing that traumatises people especially if they are young. I don't think any writer or artist would fuck up that bad that you cant tell that's what happened. Im usually not too picky but wow the animation was really noticeably degraded in some scenes. Why did they make their heads pop like balloons? That makes no sense. Usually it at least fits a theme of what the grudge is about but popping like a balloon? Really? Although maybe it's symbolic of their psychological breaking under pressure caused by their families. YukiYukiNyan said: EDIT: Nvm, after looking through the scene, her face was unscathed during the ordeal at night, but her face had multiple bruises in the morning when Akira looked through the door. So that's most probably a confirmation :/. 5/5 for the theme that Jigoku Shoujo should have always been portraying. She possibly hit her face on the stairs when he grabbed her leg. It almost looked like that but it seemed her chest made contact first. It takes time for bruises to form. Also she might have been hit in the face with a splinter. She has a small cut on her cheek. Yet then again the guy had bruises to his face immediately after being kicked. They made this scene way too vaguely unclear. |
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Azaraki said: Wait does anyone know the reason why the guys dismembered the girl at the end? So confusing She was one of the bullies accompanying the cousins beating up the older teenage dude, and it seems they became serial killing vigilantes? OT: Holy crap, I cannot even remember any of their names. The concept was somewhat interesting, but I was just utterly confused and apathetic, with a broken suspension of disbelief, ranging from "the police do not care about domestic disputes" to "Let us invite two grown adults and a teenage even though we are children to discuss damning ourselves to damn other people" to "We won't be suspected of murder if there isn't a body". I mean, for fuck sake, Habeaus Corpus can only go so far until you definitely prove a crime took place. The final kick in the teeth was when the brother and the bullied guy became serial killers in a shack by the river, while his younger sister, catatonic from her rape, in the ruins of their house by herself, and I am like "Well....why don't you get her some help or call police?" Asshole. Fairly sure there were episodes of Hell Girl where.... -Someone was unable to call police, or convinced it would not help. (Baseball player episode and Girl stalked by Police Chief) -Where they did, but they have been legally found not guilty, despite any actual guilt done. -Nothing illegal took place. And yes, there are families as messed up as this, which is why I am even more furious when the show took such a concept and used it in the most superficial way. This may be in part due to the amount of assholes in this episode, but nothing felt realistic with the family dynamic, especially the fact that a dinner scene can take place, and everyone was at face value, just "bad", with the brother narrating things he just could not know, from the affairs to the beatings> Everyone has such a hair trigger temper at the slightest provocation I wonder why the fuck were there even kids in the first place, or how did they get married, or anything? It also senseless. Oh, this old senile grandmother in law stabbed me, and I will not take any legal actions I could certainly take, but I will slap my daughter for asking me if I was okay, because she "pities" me. The temperament and continuous actions just broke it. I would have preferred a family history concerning the siblings, but nope. Why summon Ai and ask for advice? You think she cares, given her stoic demeanor? With the animated sequence of the mother falling backwards from the punch, to the gross difference in details between seasons, to overwhelmingly generic damnation scene for the cousins that was not long enough, I hated this episode. It is fucking terrible, and greatly reminds me of Akame Ga Kill and Mirai Nikki's terribleness at handling subjects. Not sure how anyone can like this episode at all, but I feel it is due to the edge that gives the illusion of mature respect and handling. I am still surprised that the 4th episode was good enough for me that this series slipped by with a 5 for now. |
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| Families bullshit... always good reasons to wanna die (or kill). This episode made me agree that a pact = nothing to loose. all right. |
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| Nope, just nope. I can tolerate a lot of dark elements (I watched through all of Higurashi with no trouble), but rape, especially to a girl at a young age, makes me feel absolutely sick to my stomach. That is one of the most psychologically traumatizing things to bear witness to. I really feel like they didn't have to take it to this fictional level of extreme to demonstrate how horrible the family was. The male lead in this episode ended up being just as detestable in the end as well, so I'm not sure how the viewer is supposed to have sympathy for him and find him relatable after he becomes a serial murderer. Most of the previous characters the episodes focused on were sympathetic and relatable, but this was anything but. Other statements I agree with are how this episode invested more into shock value rather than trying to tell a good story. All in all, this was uncomfortable to watch, and not in the good way that the show was previously capable of. I need to watch something funny now to get this episode off my mind. |
| I did like the idea, I just wish they made it more clear that they murdering one of the bullies presented at the teenage guy's beatings, especially concerning the issue of certain damnation. If I put aside all morality concerning punitive torture and sadism, I appreciate it, but it is not looked too much into other than shock twist ending. Also, leaving your catatonic sister in a ruined house so you can murder some random asshole makes me absolutely sick. In fact, it is moronic when the brother pulled the string specifically to fulfill his vengeance. There is no logical consistency here. At least have him shown to be taking care of her. Why do not we get a little time skip after the conversation on the river between the teenager and the brother, where the brother is shown taking care of his sister, who cracks the first smile he seen, before he leaves the room to murder people. Something. |
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| I love that ending! There's never been much exploration in this series of the ramifications of pulling the string, how people actually deal with the fact that they're going to hell when they die. I just always kinda pictured them trying to make the best of their life while dreading their impending doom. This interpretation is a bit more fun though: if they're going to hell anyways, then they have free reign to do anything. Only can send one to hell? Not such a problem after all, since you can always kill the rest on your own! I also love how they decided this in front of a beautiful sunset. |
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