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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Lol, that awkward scene in the barn.. Enri shows signs of being a leader for the Carne Village. It's a bit inevitable that conflict will soon break out but she keeps her cool. Battle maid Lupusregina is also back to maker her intentions clear. Those red cap goblins are no joke. Oh boy, these last two episodes should be quite a ride. |
Stark700Sep 18, 2018 7:54 AM
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| A whole episode based on ants. Might as well just skip this shit. |
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| Bone daddy was confused :> |
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| And let the comments of "so low budget...where is my OPM level of quality" start This project here has always been one to be serviceable but safe. By lowering your ambitions you're allowing yourself a rather unproblematic production. It's one way to survive the production climate these days. Ofc I wish they took the ambitious & risky approach but I certainly can't blame them. Oh well, maybe this will be a good chance for people to learn that every project is unique with a unique cast of people working it and tackling unique issues instead of relying on studio culture as a single entity to get behind why one's dear show turned out like that |
FappaSep 18, 2018 8:37 AM
| My eyes are bleeding after seeing all those cgi. Thank you Badhouse. |
| CGI issues aside, this was a very good adaptation of the same part in the LN. As I thought from watching the preview, Ainz, who was not shown in the equivalent scene in the LN, replaced the omniscient narrator, who doesn't exist in the anime, to explain what happened with the horn. The LN was more specific, citing "3 conditions that must be fulfilled" to summon the whole Goblin army instead of just 17 Goblins, but it makes sense as is, since Ainz didn't know that such conditions even existed in the first place. The scene of Mare's "SASUGA, AINZ-SAMA!" was also not in the LN, but considering Ainz was involved in the part of killing the prince in the end, we know that even in the LN he was at least somewhat aware of the events. By the way, the redcap Goblins who attacked at dusk alongside Lupusregina were summoned by Ainz and sent to Lupusregina. However the ones who let the prince go were summoned by Enri's horn instead. They are unrelated, but Lupus (and perhaps Ainz?) just thought it would be amusing if the prince's army would ultimately be completely wiped out to the very end by just Goblins (and Ogres... and Lupus herself, I guess). |
Grey-ZoneSep 18, 2018 8:51 AM
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| Terrible episode wth was that cgi...I couldn't help myself but laugh at how the soldiers move lol |
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| I stepped on shiet. Ah corrections i mean madhouse! Im done with this fakking studio how could they release such bad cgi, had to take breaks to watch the episode or else my eyes would have burst. It was faithful to the source storywise but the cgi is just criminal so baddddd. Ugh my eyes |
AcceleratorAngelSep 18, 2018 10:07 AM
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Jugger47 said: I agree with you, except that start. This is nowhere near even really acceptable, even for CGI. I and many others by now are certainly not expecting OPM quality but something at least good. This was at berserk levels of bad at times, the worst being the support magic corp. You misunderstand me. I'm not using "serviceable" in the context of how the viewer sees the end results, that's subjective to everyone. I'm speaking in regards to the production itself. It managed to get out to broadcasting in one piece and delivers the scene in whatever quality it may be. It did its service hence serviceable. It's just that. Oh I was just using the OPM quote because I see tons of people spouting this nonsense. It's a more overarching problem where people just shove every production from madhouse under the same rug and wonder why this turned out the way it is. The only thing that they can think of is ofc then the lack of budget. |
| That CGI was painful to watch. And people complained about the CGI Titan in Shingeki no Kyojin, that one is a masterpiece compared to this. At least the parts where the CGI goblins send flying the CGI soldiers was hilarious. To say anything positive, I'm glad Enri and Nphirea are fine. |
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Fappa said: Jugger47 said: I agree with you, except that start. This is nowhere near even really acceptable, even for CGI. I and many others by now are certainly not expecting OPM quality but something at least good. This was at berserk levels of bad at times, the worst being the support magic corp. You misunderstand me. I'm not using "serviceable" in the context of how the viewer sees the end results, that's subjective to everyone. I'm speaking in regards to the production itself. It managed to get out to broadcasting in one piece and delivers the scene in whatever quality it may be. It did its service hence serviceable. It's just that. Oh I was just using the OPM quote because I see tons of people spouting this nonsense. It's a more overarching problem where people just shove every production from madhouse under the same rug and wonder why this turned out the way it is. The only thing that they can think of is ofc then the lack of budget. I just hope they will have the justification of having put all their time and budget into SPLATisodes 12 and 13. It better be impressive enough to make everyone forget about that CGI mess in the current episode. Due to giving my benefit of the doubt, I personally won't critisize madhouse for their CGI blunder - for now. |
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| Let's send the future successor to a normal Village to investigate they said. To avoid the successor being in the frontlines and die they said. Let the successor live they said. Yeah, no. I liked this episode because of this! They all wanted that stupid muscled blonde to live but he was so interested in battle that failed to see the hidden power of the Village and got rekt. LOLOL Nice appetizer for the next brutal destruction [I'm gonna ignore the CGI thingie] |
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| They unashamedly used ALL of that CGI, and still couldn't create ANY sense of scale for the armies and the battles? I really, really love Overlord, it's one of my favourite shows, but this was the most disappointing episode thus far for me. And I don't even really mind the use of CGI in general, but when the CGI feels this terribly cheap..? It didn't even let them do the things that CGI usually lets studios do.. None of this would have been especially difficult to do without it other than the very few "army" shots. That's the issue I have. They didn't even make good use of the CGI... And nothing happened at all with Lupusregina (which was what most were excited for, her and the prince's "fun time") other than some sadistic faces in the last 2 minutes, and Enri was hardly shown to do anything either, we just saw bad CGI fight other bad CGI for the greater part of it, and with rarely (if any..?) actual sword-fighting at that, just close-up shots of marching and some utterly forgettable and identical CGI models being hit by arrows. And they didn't even show us the stronger goblin army first appearing/spawning, or even an actual shot of their size, just more close-up shots of the different types... Ugh. Why Madhouse.. I was really hyped for this. This felt so cheap, and this is Overlord; one of your most popular and successful shows of the season. For the only memorable moments of this episode to be that funny conversation with Ainz and Mare, and Lupusregina's evil grinning at the end is so, so terrible when the whole episode is meant to be about Chief Enri's awesome commander skills and a huge 10000+ battle, and the massacre of all the humans during and thereafter. |
ZaugrSep 18, 2018 9:31 AM
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Grey-Zone said: I just hope they will have the justification of having put all their time and budget into SPLATisodes 12 and 13. It better be impressive enough to make everyone forget about that CGI mess in the current episode. Due to giving my benefit of the doubt, I personally won't critisize madhouse for their CGI blunder - for now. Being honest with you. I seriously doubt it. That would go against the production policy they're going with for 3 season now. Overlord's production is all about consistency at a serviceable level. So if you want to "go all out" on certain episodes you need to work around on other places to give yourself the time & staff to do so. That would disrupt any kind of consistency the show tries to roll with. So yeah don't expect anything out of the ordinary or climactic outside of maybe the narrative itself. |
| So the Goblins summoned by 'General' Enri will be loyal to her exclusively? |
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Letothend said: I am more annoyed with the way the scene was directed. Enri has this massive army of 5K, but the lens of perspective is so damn close to the goblins that you can only see a dozen at a time. Big let down for a scene I was looking forward to this season. I guess they tried to surprise the audience with the continously appearing parts of the army, each being stronger than the last. But yea, they could have at least made a zoomed out camera shot to show both armies in their entirety, after having shown off all the individual Goblin types. |
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Grey-Zone said: The LN was more specific, citing "3 conditions that must be fulfilled" to summon the whole Goblin army instead of just 17 Goblins So what are the conditions? |
| So can anyone just spoil/explain what the conditions were for the giant goblin army to be summoned? Thanks |
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| Imagine being such a miserable person you can't enjoy a great episode just because it had a couple of seconds of CGI that doesn't meet your unrealistic standard. Man I sure feel bad for y'all. |
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bapo224 said: Imagine being such a miserable person you can't enjoy a great episode just because it had a couple of seconds of CGI that doesn't meet your unrealistic standard. Man I sure feel bad for y'all. Imagine not being understand the nature of opinions and criticism. Also, "a couple of seconds"... come on man. :D |
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| the cgi is somehow look weird, but it's an okay overall. here I thought we get to see some badass slaughtery from Lupisregina, but it's only a goblin. no preview for the next week, damn they left it hanging. I think they saved it for the best |
elwear said: Grey-Zone said: The LN was more specific, citing "3 conditions that must be fulfilled" to summon the whole Goblin army instead of just 17 Goblins So what are the conditions? It wasn't revealed. Not even up until the most recent 13th LN volume. The only thing that was said was that it's 3 conditions. But I think the possibilities aren't too hard to guess. My personal guess is something like this - this is as I think it probably was in YGGDRASSIL: 1. Summoner must have a "General" leadership job-class or higher. According to character sheets in the LN, Enri DOES have the job-class of "General" (which is also the most likely reason why she is so strong physically, as General is probably a fairly high-grade class, at least in the New World). It would fit in right there considering the horn is called "Horn of the Goblin General". 2. Summoner must have a certain amount of (possibly hidden?) affection points with a certain amount of NPC Goblin subordinates and/or NPC Goblin questgivers (if they exist). This is also a given I think, considering the series focused so much about how Enri treats the Goblins. 3. Summoner must have used the horn with the standard summon before and must have kept a certain amount of the summoned Goblin alive for a certain amount of time. Well these are my guesses, it's probably something along these lines. Enri probably had it a bit easier since she was not limited by the game's system. |
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DodeDagon said: So can anyone just spoil/explain what the conditions were for the giant goblin army to be summoned? Thanks It's never directly stated in the Light Novels (as of yet, anyway). Even Ainz himself doesn't know why, after all, so it's not like you can introduce that information on a whim. There's a bunch of theories though. IMO best ones are: - Levels in Commander/General class - Keep a pack of goblins summoned via horn alive for X amount of time - Be greatly outnumbered - Own a base Etc Etc. |
Janethan23 said: YEs only to her. That's why the first goblins are wary of Nazarick folkSo the Goblins summoned by 'General' Enri will be loyal to her exclusively? |
| Oh god, the amount of horrible 3D was so high. |
| My only hope is that the studio is saving their budget for the Ainz battle. This CGI was mediocre at best and embarrassing at it's worst. |
| By the way, Enri's new army is appearently quite strong for New World standards. AFAIK the Red Caps, while still weaker than Death Knights, are not too far off. Enri should have enough military strength to build her own Kingdom, if she was ambitious and wasn't under Ainz. EDIT: I checked the LN again, and it seems the red caps are actually level 43 - totally OP for the New World, I think compared to Death Knights they are actually higher level and have stronger attacks, but Death Knights still have stronger defense and the zombie curse that turns the ones they kill into zombies like in zombie apocalypse movies. |
Grey-ZoneSep 18, 2018 9:47 AM
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| people are forgetting how fast Season 3 came out after Season 2. Remember guys, Season 2 finished in April!!! And this started in July. What kind of miracle work do you expect?? I honestly do not mind the cgi. It looks goofy, yes (like when they run against those goblin shields and just bounce off) and the rigging isnt the best. But TO ME this doesnt matter at all. It doesnt hurt too much in the eyes and its more cost effective than drawing all those scenes. I really really hope S4 will be announced at the end of S3. I am really loving this anime. Regarding this episode. I loved it. A somewhat slow start but then it was already over. I had tons of fun with this episode and when those goblins came I thought to myself "Awww yeaaa" In Overlord tradition, a lot of battle was offscreen. But I dont mind that either. They did a good work |
| Wow, that goblin army was a big surprise. Lupusregina did it again, I love her! |
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Grey-Zone said: By the way, Enri's new army is appearently quite strong for New World standards. AFAIK the Red Caps, while still weaker than Death Knights, are not too far off. Enri should have enough military strength to build her own Kingdom, if she was ambitious and wasn't under Ainz. Redcaps are around level 43 and that's way stronger than Gazef. Also the author said this army of 5000 could easily wipe the floor with Both the Kingdom and the Empire |
Darklight0303 said: Grey-Zone said: By the way, Enri's new army is appearently quite strong for New World standards. AFAIK the Red Caps, while still weaker than Death Knights, are not too far off. Enri should have enough military strength to build her own Kingdom, if she was ambitious and wasn't under Ainz. Redcaps are around level 43 and that's way stronger than Gazef. Also the author said this army of 5000 could easily wipe the floor with Both the Kingdom and the Empire Yes I just rechecked with the LN, see my edit. So I guess the red caps are stronger than Death Knights in offense, and most other stats, but weaker than Death Knights in defense - and Death Knights also have that zombie infection ability. JayCray21 said: Soooooooo im thinking along the lines that the flute of goblin general horn summons the amount of goblins equal to the force that your fighting? Anyone in agreeance? Either way 5000 goblins vs 5000 humans was meant to be a massacre, XD Not to mention that the Re-Estize Kingdom has relatively weak soldiers compared to other nations, though in this case the prince has 4000 elite troops from that one scarred Marquis, which I think are stronger than the average Kingdom soldier, but still considerably weaker than any Baharut Empire Knight. |
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duhu1148 said: My only hope is that the studio is saving their budget for the Ainz battle. This CGI was mediocre at best and embarrassing at it's worst. Well first off it's not about budget..and secondly I really doubt it. Overlord never exactly had contributions by exceptional people like episode directors, storyboarders or animators. Everything is set up to make this machine work at its intended pace, no swings towards the lower or upper end of the spectrum. So I really wouldn't believe in this being some sacrifice in order to go all out somewhere else. That never has been overlord's style of production and it clearly won't be here. |
Fappa said: duhu1148 said: My only hope is that the studio is saving their budget for the Ainz battle. This CGI was mediocre at best and embarrassing at it's worst. Well first off it's not about budget..and secondly I really doubt it. Overlord never exactly had contributions by exceptional people like episode directors, storyboarders or animators. Everything is set up to make this machine work at its intended pace, no swings towards the lower or upper end of the spectrum. So I really wouldn't believe in this being some sacrifice in order to go all out somewhere else. That never has been overlord's style of production and it clearly won't be here. They have different levels of CGI though. The CGI in the final episode of season 2, for example, when Ainz as Momon was throwing one of his swords at masked demi-urge looked absolutely fantastic. I think it might also have to do with WHAT is being CGIed. For example living creatures almost always look bad in CGI, but metallic objects look much better. Momon in battle scenes back in season 1 looked quite OK by himself, but it was a bit distracting that we saw him in normal drawing before and you easily notice the contrast between his drawn and CGI versions, unlike objects which are always in CGI. |
Grey-ZoneSep 18, 2018 10:00 AM
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| Seeings people cry about the anime quality, just makes me sad.. I have read how the animes are made, and what are the working conditions of the animators. The conditions are very harsh, they have deadlines to meet. The 9am to 5pm job looks like a piece of cake compared to it. Instead of crying, we should at least try to help these guys first. I am not helping them in any way so I don't think I've any right to complain about the anime quality (the same goes for other 90% people here) |
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| Dammit this episode is way too short. Anyway, I have a theory about that goblin horn summon thing. First, it might be like what Ains said that she completed some sort of hidden requirement. Or. This game, yggdrassil, is getting even more realistic in terms of, well, everything. That horn is called Horn of the Goblin General, so a general has to have an army not twenty low level goblins like what Ains says that happens in the game besides it's just a game, it has to have restrictions or else it would crash lol even skyrim when modded too much will break no matter how good of a pc rig you have. This is the reality of this world now, you summon an army of goblins, you get an army of goblins. This is just like what happened in the 3rd episode of the first season, when Ains first saved that very same village and when he killed a person for the first time he didn't feel a thing cause he's undead. Dammit this show really brings out the mmorpg gamer in you. Kinda like Log Horizon. |
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