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Aug 25, 2018 5:38 PM
#1
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-mccain/senator-john-mccain-ex-pow-and-political-maverick-dead-at-81-statement-idUSKCN1LB00C Damn, that was fast. |
removed-userAug 25, 2018 5:41 PM
Aug 25, 2018 5:43 PM
#2
F shit way to go for anyone |
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Aug 25, 2018 6:13 PM
#3
You know, I don't like to feel good about people dying from brain cancer. But...John McCain was a piece of shit and the world is better off without him. |
Aug 25, 2018 6:21 PM
#4
Sad for the family, did some good like the McCain-Feingold Act. |
Aug 25, 2018 6:30 PM
#5
maluhia said: Today is a glorious day everyone. I didn't agree with McCain's idiology either, but I wouldn't say something like that. I would've taken McCain over Bush or Trump any day of the week. He was at least, a lesser evil than they were. |
Aug 25, 2018 6:40 PM
#6
Seiya said: maluhia said: Today is a glorious day everyone. I didn't agree with McCain's idiology either, but I wouldn't say something like that. I would've taken McCain over Bush or Trump any day of the week. He was at least, a lesser evil than they were. You seem to be unaware or misunderstand the depth of his bloody record. He literally championed every unnecessary and destructive American war throughout his entire life. If John McCain got his way, there would have been at least five more wars, at the bare minimum. Not only that, he voted to rob poor people of health care while he received government-funded healthcare. Life is truly ironic. And no, I would not say he is a lesser evil. They're all evil. To give nuance to this is just a death sentence. |
Crying doesn't mean you're weak. Enduring doesn't mean you're strong. |
Aug 25, 2018 6:53 PM
#7
ABOUT DAMN TIME! I don't care if people think this is in "poor taste", he caused great suffering of people around the world in Iraq/Libya/Syria/Ukraine and Vietnam veterans in the USA that he covered up Vietnam POWs for personal profit. He was an evil warmonger and evil people like him deserve disrespect. Press S to spit on grave SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
Lost_VikingAug 25, 2018 10:17 PM
Aug 25, 2018 6:53 PM
#8
maluhia said: Seiya said: maluhia said: Today is a glorious day everyone. I didn't agree with McCain's idiology either, but I wouldn't say something like that. I would've taken McCain over Bush or Trump any day of the week. He was at least, a lesser evil than they were. You seem to be unaware or misunderstand the depth of his bloody record. He literally championed every unnecessary and destructive American war throughout his entire life. If John McCain got his way, there would have been at least five more wars, at the bare minimum. Not only that, he voted to rob poor people of health care while he received government-funded healthcare. Life is truly ironic. And no, I would not say he is a lesser evil. They're all evil. To give nuance to this is just a death sentence. Yeah, I suppose you're right. They're all equally evil in a sense. Quick question, are you really a communist? |
Aug 25, 2018 6:54 PM
#9
RIP maluhia said: Today is a glorious day everyone. im ignorant about him, is he corrupt or what? EDIT: i just saw your reply to the other user so he is a war freak lol |
Aug 25, 2018 6:56 PM
#10
can people please stop being unsympathetic assholes cancer is a terrible way to go |
Aug 25, 2018 6:57 PM
#11
deg said: RIP maluhia said: Today is a glorious day everyone. im ignorant about him, is he corrupt or what? EDIT: i just saw your reply to the other user so he is a war freak lol He literally supports terrorists in Syria and neo-Nazis in Ukraine. So yes. But then again, most politicians do. |
Crying doesn't mean you're weak. Enduring doesn't mean you're strong. |
Aug 25, 2018 7:01 PM
#12
Seiya said: maluhia said: Seiya said: maluhia said: Today is a glorious day everyone. I didn't agree with McCain's idiology either, but I wouldn't say something like that. I would've taken McCain over Bush or Trump any day of the week. He was at least, a lesser evil than they were. You seem to be unaware or misunderstand the depth of his bloody record. He literally championed every unnecessary and destructive American war throughout his entire life. If John McCain got his way, there would have been at least five more wars, at the bare minimum. Not only that, he voted to rob poor people of health care while he received government-funded healthcare. Life is truly ironic. And no, I would not say he is a lesser evil. They're all evil. To give nuance to this is just a death sentence. Yeah, I suppose you're right. They're all equally evil in a sense. Quick question, are you really a communist? Bush's, Trump's, and McCain's foreign policy are basically the same. War = $. Yes. Capitalism is inherently racist, imperialist, and environmentally destructive. |
Crying doesn't mean you're weak. Enduring doesn't mean you're strong. |
Aug 25, 2018 7:04 PM
#13
maluhia said: Seiya said: maluhia said: Seiya said: maluhia said: Today is a glorious day everyone. I didn't agree with McCain's idiology either, but I wouldn't say something like that. I would've taken McCain over Bush or Trump any day of the week. He was at least, a lesser evil than they were. You seem to be unaware or misunderstand the depth of his bloody record. He literally championed every unnecessary and destructive American war throughout his entire life. If John McCain got his way, there would have been at least five more wars, at the bare minimum. Not only that, he voted to rob poor people of health care while he received government-funded healthcare. Life is truly ironic. And no, I would not say he is a lesser evil. They're all evil. To give nuance to this is just a death sentence. Yeah, I suppose you're right. They're all equally evil in a sense. Quick question, are you really a communist? Bush's, Trump's, and McCain's foreign policy are basically the same. War = $. Yes. Capitalism is inherently racist, imperialist, and environmentally destructive. That makes sense. I don't know about you, but I'm more of a Lenin guy than a Stalin guy. |
Aug 25, 2018 7:08 PM
#14
Seiya said: maluhia said: Seiya said: maluhia said: Seiya said: maluhia said: Today is a glorious day everyone. I didn't agree with McCain's idiology either, but I wouldn't say something like that. I would've taken McCain over Bush or Trump any day of the week. He was at least, a lesser evil than they were. You seem to be unaware or misunderstand the depth of his bloody record. He literally championed every unnecessary and destructive American war throughout his entire life. If John McCain got his way, there would have been at least five more wars, at the bare minimum. Not only that, he voted to rob poor people of health care while he received government-funded healthcare. Life is truly ironic. And no, I would not say he is a lesser evil. They're all evil. To give nuance to this is just a death sentence. Yeah, I suppose you're right. They're all equally evil in a sense. Quick question, are you really a communist? Bush's, Trump's, and McCain's foreign policy are basically the same. War = $. Yes. Capitalism is inherently racist, imperialist, and environmentally destructive. That makes sense. I don't know about you, but I'm more of a Lenin guy than a Stalin guy. I'll be the first to admit I don't read many works. But doesn't take a genius to realize how unsustainable the current system is. |
Crying doesn't mean you're weak. Enduring doesn't mean you're strong. |
Aug 25, 2018 7:14 PM
#15
maluhia said: Seiya said: maluhia said: Seiya said: maluhia said: Seiya said: maluhia said: Today is a glorious day everyone. I didn't agree with McCain's idiology either, but I wouldn't say something like that. I would've taken McCain over Bush or Trump any day of the week. He was at least, a lesser evil than they were. You seem to be unaware or misunderstand the depth of his bloody record. He literally championed every unnecessary and destructive American war throughout his entire life. If John McCain got his way, there would have been at least five more wars, at the bare minimum. Not only that, he voted to rob poor people of health care while he received government-funded healthcare. Life is truly ironic. And no, I would not say he is a lesser evil. They're all evil. To give nuance to this is just a death sentence. Yeah, I suppose you're right. They're all equally evil in a sense. Quick question, are you really a communist? Bush's, Trump's, and McCain's foreign policy are basically the same. War = $. Yes. Capitalism is inherently racist, imperialist, and environmentally destructive. That makes sense. I don't know about you, but I'm more of a Lenin guy than a Stalin guy. I'll be the first to admit I don't read many works. But doesn't take a genius to realize how unsustainable the current system is. Well, that's something that we can both agree on. |
Aug 25, 2018 7:17 PM
#16
maluhia said: I'll be the first to admit I don't read many works. But doesn't take a genius to realize how unsustainable the current system is. I don't want to burst your bubble, but the Soviet Union was just as imperialistic as the US ever was. Trying to blame everything on Capitalism is just silly, humanity has always engaged in warfare. Capitalism is simply based on private property rights, which does not inherently create any incentives towards war or environmental destruction. |
Aug 25, 2018 7:20 PM
#17
-Placeholder- said: maluhia said: I'll be the first to admit I don't read many works. But doesn't take a genius to realize how unsustainable the current system is. I don't want to burst your bubble, but the Soviet Union was just as imperialistic as the US ever was. Trying to blame everything on Capitalism is just silly, humanity has always engaged in warfare. Capitalism is simply based on private property rights, which does not inherently create any incentives towards war or environmental destruction. I don't want to burst your bubble, but citation needed. |
Crying doesn't mean you're weak. Enduring doesn't mean you're strong. |
Aug 25, 2018 7:30 PM
#18
maluhia said: -Placeholder- said: I don't want to burst your bubble, but the Soviet Union was just as imperialistic as the US ever was. Trying to blame everything on Capitalism is just silly, humanity has always engaged in warfare. Capitalism is simply based on private property rights, which does not inherently create any incentives towards war or environmental destruction. I don't want to burst your bubble, but citation needed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_occupations_by_the_Soviet_Union |
Aug 25, 2018 7:37 PM
#19
-Placeholder- said: maluhia said: -Placeholder- said: I don't want to burst your bubble, but the Soviet Union was just as imperialistic as the US ever was. Trying to blame everything on Capitalism is just silly, humanity has always engaged in warfare. Capitalism is simply based on private property rights, which does not inherently create any incentives towards war or environmental destruction. I don't want to burst your bubble, but citation needed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_occupations_by_the_Soviet_Union That wasn't Communism in general, that was Stalin. Things were better when Lenin was around. After he died, Stalin went crazy extremist. Thankfully, after Stalin died, "De-Stalinization" began, and by the 1970s, things were much better. Nothing is perfect. It all depends on who's in charge at the time. Chinese Communism under Mao was far, far worse, mainly because they continued Stalin-style Communism, while the Soviet Union were getting away from it. |
Aug 25, 2018 7:39 PM
#20
-Placeholder- said: maluhia said: -Placeholder- said: I don't want to burst your bubble, but the Soviet Union was just as imperialistic as the US ever was. Trying to blame everything on Capitalism is just silly, humanity has always engaged in warfare. Capitalism is simply based on private property rights, which does not inherently create any incentives towards war or environmental destruction. I don't want to burst your bubble, but citation needed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_occupations_by_the_Soviet_Union You act like context doesn't matter. Nazi Germany or liberation via USSR. Truly a tough call. |
Crying doesn't mean you're weak. Enduring doesn't mean you're strong. |
Aug 25, 2018 7:48 PM
#21
I can't say anything nice about him. I didn't want him to die, but I wanted him out of congress. |
Aug 25, 2018 7:54 PM
#22
todays capitalism is not racist and imperialist anymore though try looking up neoliberalism that is the kind of capitalism that even a lot of liberal politicians want and do for decades now this kind of capitalism wants globalization to happen in order for capitalists to create more profit by getting new customers from the likes of different cultural backgrounds/races/sexes/etc but ye neoliberalism is still about maximizing capitalism as much as possible so its destructive to the environment and also its prone to economic/wealth inequality we are seeing today |
Aug 25, 2018 8:09 PM
#24
Seiya said: That wasn't Communism in general, that was Stalin. Things were better when Lenin was around. After he died, Stalin went crazy extremist. Thankfully, after Stalin died, "De-Stalinization" began, and by the 1970s, things were much better. Nothing is perfect. It all depends on who's in charge at the time. Chinese Communism under Mao was far, far worse, mainly because they continued Stalin-style Communism, while the Soviet Union were getting away from it. Communism was oppressive under Lenin too, and he personally used lots of terror and violence in his revolution. Lenin created the gulags and started the dekulakisation campaign, Stalin only ramped up what Lenin had already started. Socialism is totalitarian by nature. It is state control of the means of production, including the people who are those means. And people who object to having their property stolen, having no freedom, or having to live in poverty due to the problems of a centrally planned economy, are persecuted. It's not the fault of any one leader, it's a fundamental problems with the system itself. Impoverishment and oppression have happened every time socialism has been implemented. maluhia said: You act like context doesn't matter. Nazi Germany or liberation via USSR. Truly a tough call. When you liberate someone, you let them keep their country afterwards. |
Aug 25, 2018 8:13 PM
#25
Seiya said: >That 70's/80's Cold War aestheticThings were better when Lenin was around. After he died, Stalin went crazy extremist. Thankfully, after Stalin died, "De-Stalinization" began, and by the 1970s, things were much better. I see you're both people of taste, Tovarish Seiya and Tovarish Maluhia! |
Lost_VikingAug 26, 2018 9:29 AM
Aug 25, 2018 8:27 PM
#27
-Placeholder- said: Seiya said: That wasn't Communism in general, that was Stalin. Things were better when Lenin was around. After he died, Stalin went crazy extremist. Thankfully, after Stalin died, "De-Stalinization" began, and by the 1970s, things were much better. Nothing is perfect. It all depends on who's in charge at the time. Chinese Communism under Mao was far, far worse, mainly because they continued Stalin-style Communism, while the Soviet Union were getting away from it. Communism was oppressive under Lenin too, and he personally used lots of terror and violence in his revolution. Lenin created the gulags and started the dekulakisation campaign, Stalin only ramped up what Lenin had already started. Socialism is totalitarian by nature. It is state control of the means of production, including the people who are those means. And people who object to having their property stolen, having no freedom, or having to live in poverty due to the problems of a centrally planned economy, are persecuted. It's not the fault of any one leader, it's a fundamental problems with the system itself. Impoverishment and oppression have happened every time socialism has been implemented. There was no way Lenin could've avoided bloodshed in the revolution he started. Russians were far worse off under the Tsar, and what Lenin did was better in the long run for the Russian people. If Lenin lived longer, things would've been much better for the people. Stalin was evil, and Lenin likely turned over in his grave due to what Stalin did after he was gone. |
Aug 25, 2018 8:32 PM
#28
Don't really have anything good to say about him. He was often pro war, and had a hand in stopping MMA from becoming mainstream way back when. Cancer is a terrible way to go, but he lived a full life and did things many won't. So there's that I guess. |
Aug 25, 2018 8:40 PM
#29
Seiya said: -Placeholder- said: Seiya said: That wasn't Communism in general, that was Stalin. Nothing is perfect. It all depends on who's in charge at the time. Chinese Communism under Mao was far, far worse, mainly because they continued Stalin-style Communism, while the Soviet Union were getting away from it. Communism was oppressive under Lenin too, and he personally used lots of terror and violence in his revolution. Lenin created the gulags and started the dekulakisation campaign, Stalin only ramped up what Lenin had already started. Socialism is totalitarian by nature. It is state control of the means of production, including the people who are those means. And people who object to having their property stolen, having no freedom, or having to live in poverty due to the problems of a centrally planned economy, are persecuted. It's not the fault of any one leader, it's a fundamental problems with the system itself. Impoverishment and oppression have happened every time socialism has been implemented. There was no way Lenin could've avoided bloodshed in the revolution he started. Russians were far worse off under the Tsar, and what Lenin did was better in the long run for the Russian people. If Lenin lived longer, things would've been much better for the people. Stalin was evil, and Lenin likely turned over in his grave due to what Stalin did after he was gone. This. There is no way such a transformation in political power could occur without blood being spilled.You can not expect the people in power to lay down their authority without some sort of resistance. It is in their reasonable best interest to do whatever they can do to protect their position in government .It is a shame but political power really does grow out of the barrel of a gun. |
Aug 25, 2018 8:41 PM
#30
nonfumi said: Seiya said: -Placeholder- said: Seiya said: That wasn't Communism in general, that was Stalin. Things were better when Lenin was around. After he died, Stalin went crazy extremist. Thankfully, after Stalin died, "De-Stalinization" began, and by the 1970s, things were much better. Nothing is perfect. It all depends on who's in charge at the time. Chinese Communism under Mao was far, far worse, mainly because they continued Stalin-style Communism, while the Soviet Union were getting away from it. Communism was oppressive under Lenin too, and he personally used lots of terror and violence in his revolution. Lenin created the gulags and started the dekulakisation campaign, Stalin only ramped up what Lenin had already started. Socialism is totalitarian by nature. It is state control of the means of production, including the people who are those means. And people who object to having their property stolen, having no freedom, or having to live in poverty due to the problems of a centrally planned economy, are persecuted. It's not the fault of any one leader, it's a fundamental problems with the system itself. Impoverishment and oppression have happened every time socialism has been implemented. There was no way Lenin could've avoided bloodshed in the revolution he started. Russians were far worse off under the Tsar, and what Lenin did was better in the long run for the Russian people. If Lenin lived longer, things would've been much better for the people. Stalin was evil, and Lenin likely turned over in his grave due to what Stalin did after he was gone. This. There is no way such a transformation in political power could occur without blood being spilled.You can not expect the people in power to lay down their authority without some sort of resistance. It is a shame but any radical change Seiya said: -Placeholder- said: Seiya said: That wasn't Communism in general, that was Stalin. Things were better when Lenin was around. After he died, Stalin went crazy extremist. Thankfully, after Stalin died, "De-Stalinization" began, and by the 1970s, things were much better. Nothing is perfect. It all depends on who's in charge at the time. Chinese Communism under Mao was far, far worse, mainly because they continued Stalin-style Communism, while the Soviet Union were getting away from it. Communism was oppressive under Lenin too, and he personally used lots of terror and violence in his revolution. Lenin created the gulags and started the dekulakisation campaign, Stalin only ramped up what Lenin had already started. Socialism is totalitarian by nature. It is state control of the means of production, including the people who are those means. And people who object to having their property stolen, having no freedom, or having to live in poverty due to the problems of a centrally planned economy, are persecuted. It's not the fault of any one leader, it's a fundamental problems with the system itself. Impoverishment and oppression have happened every time socialism has been implemented. There was no way Lenin could've avoided bloodshed in the revolution he started. Russians were far worse off under the Tsar, and what Lenin did was better in the long run for the Russian people. If Lenin lived longer, things would've been much better for the people. Stalin was evil, and Lenin likely turned over in his grave due to what Stalin did after he was gone. This. There is no way such a transformation in political power could occur without blood being spilled.You can not expect the people in power to lay down their authority without some sort of resistance. It is in their reasonable best interest to do whatever they can do to protect their position in government .It is a shame but political power really does grow out of the barrel of a gun. i think normalizing this is something you really don't want to do. |
Oh maybe, maybe it's the clothes we wear The tasteless bracelets and the dye in our hair Or maybe, maybe it's our nowhere towns or our nothing places But we're trash, you and me We're the litter on the breeze We're the lovers on the streets Just trash, me and you It's in everything we do It's in everything we do |
Aug 25, 2018 8:43 PM
#31
Yomiyuki said: nonfumi said: Seiya said: -Placeholder- said: Seiya said: That wasn't Communism in general, that was Stalin. Things were better when Lenin was around. After he died, Stalin went crazy extremist. Thankfully, after Stalin died, "De-Stalinization" began, and by the 1970s, things were much better. Nothing is perfect. It all depends on who's in charge at the time. Chinese Communism under Mao was far, far worse, mainly because they continued Stalin-style Communism, while the Soviet Union were getting away from it. Communism was oppressive under Lenin too, and he personally used lots of terror and violence in his revolution. Lenin created the gulags and started the dekulakisation campaign, Stalin only ramped up what Lenin had already started. Socialism is totalitarian by nature. It is state control of the means of production, including the people who are those means. And people who object to having their property stolen, having no freedom, or having to live in poverty due to the problems of a centrally planned economy, are persecuted. It's not the fault of any one leader, it's a fundamental problems with the system itself. Impoverishment and oppression have happened every time socialism has been implemented. There was no way Lenin could've avoided bloodshed in the revolution he started. Russians were far worse off under the Tsar, and what Lenin did was better in the long run for the Russian people. If Lenin lived longer, things would've been much better for the people. Stalin was evil, and Lenin likely turned over in his grave due to what Stalin did after he was gone. This. There is no way such a transformation in political power could occur without blood being spilled.You can not expect the people in power to lay down their authority without some sort of resistance. It is a shame but any radical change Seiya said: -Placeholder- said: Seiya said: That wasn't Communism in general, that was Stalin. Things were better when Lenin was around. After he died, Stalin went crazy extremist. Thankfully, after Stalin died, "De-Stalinization" began, and by the 1970s, things were much better. Nothing is perfect. It all depends on who's in charge at the time. Chinese Communism under Mao was far, far worse, mainly because they continued Stalin-style Communism, while the Soviet Union were getting away from it. Communism was oppressive under Lenin too, and he personally used lots of terror and violence in his revolution. Lenin created the gulags and started the dekulakisation campaign, Stalin only ramped up what Lenin had already started. Socialism is totalitarian by nature. It is state control of the means of production, including the people who are those means. And people who object to having their property stolen, having no freedom, or having to live in poverty due to the problems of a centrally planned economy, are persecuted. It's not the fault of any one leader, it's a fundamental problems with the system itself. Impoverishment and oppression have happened every time socialism has been implemented. There was no way Lenin could've avoided bloodshed in the revolution he started. Russians were far worse off under the Tsar, and what Lenin did was better in the long run for the Russian people. If Lenin lived longer, things would've been much better for the people. Stalin was evil, and Lenin likely turned over in his grave due to what Stalin did after he was gone. This. There is no way such a transformation in political power could occur without blood being spilled.You can not expect the people in power to lay down their authority without some sort of resistance. It is in their reasonable best interest to do whatever they can do to protect their position in government .It is a shame but political power really does grow out of the barrel of a gun. i think normalizing this is something you really don't want to do. I'm not normalizing anything. That is the reality of any political transformation especially one aiming to replace the ruling class with another. |
Aug 25, 2018 8:51 PM
#32
deg said: RIP maluhia said: Today is a glorious day everyone. im ignorant about him, is he corrupt or what? EDIT: i just saw your reply to the other user so he is a war freak lol Basically he was made the face of the American Aggression. Plus people had the most Centerish of policies that caused people who weren't to blame him on stuff. American Internet users grew up during the Bush years, seeing how bad Iraq was and everyone hated Bush with Wesley Clark talking about how 7 nations were to be destroyed in 5 years, then 2008 was between McCain and Obama. Hillary and McCain both were BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN, then Obama did Libya which got rid of Gradaffi and McCain appeared in a photo with some rebels who bayoneted him in the ass. Euromaiden and the Crimian annexation happened. McCain appeared in a photo with a Ukrainian Neo-Nazi party leader. Syria happened and McCain appeared in a photo with what would become ISIS. The truth is way more far more complicated with all the events I just mentioned and his role in all this but pretty much everyone associated McCain with all this and because people hated American foreign policy they projected it onto him and fell in support of the people that the people he took photos with were against. Myanimelist had a bunch of threads from Dugin on Ukraine for example. Plus he did the most RINO of all policies and people blamed stuff on him. Tea Party style Republicans (and Ron Paul fans, pretty much the same demographic that liked Bernie Sanders liked Ron Paul but were Right-Wing) hated that he was more towards what would be Centerish, and Democrats, Socialists (and the people who would become Bernie-Bros) hated him for being too Right (in the American sense). |
removed-userAug 25, 2018 9:21 PM
Aug 25, 2018 9:00 PM
#33
nonfumi said: This. There is no way such a transformation in political power could occur without blood being spilled.You can not expect the people in power to lay down their authority without some sort of resistance. It is in their reasonable best interest to do whatever they can do to protect their position in government .It is a shame but political power really does grow out of the barrel of a gun. That doesn't justify it. And neither does it justified the continued oppression, violence and privation that always happens under socialism. Note that the Communists didn't just depose just the Tsar, they also engaged in genocidal campaigns against entire classes of people who weren't the rulers, i.e. the bourgeoisie, kulaks, etc., because those people didn't fit well under socialism. |
Aug 25, 2018 9:08 PM
#34
McCain Why does the name ring so many bells . Oh yeah! The Finger Fry and French Fry guy 😋 |
You can't see me , My Time is Now 😎 |
Aug 25, 2018 9:23 PM
#36
Neane93 said: deg said: RIP maluhia said: Today is a glorious day everyone. im ignorant about him, is he corrupt or what? EDIT: i just saw your reply to the other user so he is a war freak lol Basically he was made the face of the American Aggression. Plus people had the most Centerish of policies that caused people who weren't to blame him on stuff. American Internet users grew up during the Bush years, seeing how bad Iraq was and everyone hated Bush with Wesley Clark talking about how 7 nations were to be destroyed in 5 years, then 2008 was between McCain and Obama. Hillary and McCain both were BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN, then Obama did Libya which got rid of Gradaffi and McCain appeared in a photo with some rebels who bayoneted him in the ass. Euromaiden and the Crimian annexation happened. McCain appeared in a photo with a Ukrainian Neo-Nazi party leader. Syria happened and McCain appeared in a photo with what would become ISIS. The truth is way more far more complicated with all the events I just mentioned and his role in all this but pretty much everyone associated McCain with all this and because people hated American foreign policy they projected it onto him and fell in support of the people that the people he took photos with were against. Myanimelist had a bunch of threads from Dugin on Ukraine for example. Plus he did the most RINO of all policies and people blamed stuff on him. Tea Party style Republicans (and Ron Paul fans, pretty much the same demographic that liked Bernie Sanders liked Ron Paul) hated that he was more towards what would be Centerish, and Democrats, Socialists (and the people who would become Bernie-Bros) hated him for being too Right (in the American sense). i say im neutral on him then with that info too, there are 2 sides to every story lol |
Aug 25, 2018 9:41 PM
#37
-Placeholder- said: nonfumi said: This. There is no way such a transformation in political power could occur without blood being spilled.You can not expect the people in power to lay down their authority without some sort of resistance. It is in their reasonable best interest to do whatever they can do to protect their position in government .It is a shame but political power really does grow out of the barrel of a gun. That doesn't justify it. And neither does it justified the continued oppression, violence and privation that always happens under socialism. Note that the Communists didn't just depose just the Tsar, they also engaged in genocidal campaigns against entire classes of people who weren't the rulers, i.e. the bourgeoisie, kulaks, etc., because those people didn't fit well under socialism. Thats how any state operates;that isn't unique to socialism. There is always a ruling class and a class to be ruled. In capitalism the bourgeois rule and in socialism the proles .Either way one class will always go against the interest of the other. You should also have a more nuanced view on the USSR if you are going to attack it instead of parroting what your social studies teacher said you should rather see the condition the USSR was in. The bourgoise and kulaks weren't "oppressed" out of pure malice. The process of collectivization was underway and due to it going against their own interest as land owners they rebelled by burning their farms and killing livestock.Threats of famine were large so the scarcity this produced was not only a rebellious impulse against the USSR but also an attempt to create profit. It is hard to sympathize with these people during that time. I am not a tankie tho so I wont go to far to defend what I also see as a disaster but just know that socialism isn't just when the state does stuff. Also know that a state only becomes authoritarian as the USSR when it faces huge external threats such as invasion. |
Aug 25, 2018 10:19 PM
#38
Seiya said: maluhia said: Today is a glorious day everyone. I didn't agree with McCain's idiology either, but I wouldn't say something like that. I would've taken McCain over Bush or Trump any day of the week. He was at least, a lesser evil than they were. Name one war declared by Trump. https://i.imgur.com/l5YxhRS.gifv |
Aug 25, 2018 10:41 PM
#39
deg said: On a positive note he called out the housing boom and accounting irregularities that led to the 2008 financial crisis... in 2003. Him and others were ignored. Neither party wanted to be the one to slam the brakes on that one and be "responsible" for the resulting crash.Neane93 said: deg said: RIP maluhia said: Today is a glorious day everyone. im ignorant about him, is he corrupt or what? EDIT: i just saw your reply to the other user so he is a war freak lol Basically he was made the face of the American Aggression. Plus people had the most Centerish of policies that caused people who weren't to blame him on stuff. American Internet users grew up during the Bush years, seeing how bad Iraq was and everyone hated Bush with Wesley Clark talking about how 7 nations were to be destroyed in 5 years, then 2008 was between McCain and Obama. Hillary and McCain both were BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN, then Obama did Libya which got rid of Gradaffi and McCain appeared in a photo with some rebels who bayoneted him in the ass. Euromaiden and the Crimian annexation happened. McCain appeared in a photo with a Ukrainian Neo-Nazi party leader. Syria happened and McCain appeared in a photo with what would become ISIS. The truth is way more far more complicated with all the events I just mentioned and his role in all this but pretty much everyone associated McCain with all this and because people hated American foreign policy they projected it onto him and fell in support of the people that the people he took photos with were against. Myanimelist had a bunch of threads from Dugin on Ukraine for example. Plus he did the most RINO of all policies and people blamed stuff on him. Tea Party style Republicans (and Ron Paul fans, pretty much the same demographic that liked Bernie Sanders liked Ron Paul) hated that he was more towards what would be Centerish, and Democrats, Socialists (and the people who would become Bernie-Bros) hated him for being too Right (in the American sense). i say im neutral on him then with that info too, there are 2 sides to every story lol |
Aug 25, 2018 10:42 PM
#40
That was quick. Suffering prolonged with machines but the pain would still be unbearable. |
Aguuus said: Most people confuse overrating with overpopularity, for example the poor SAO is a victim of this problem. Nor is there overrating, only people who do not know how to qualify fairly, like me. |
Aug 25, 2018 10:46 PM
#41
FrostyFire said: McCain Why does the name ring so many bells . Oh yeah! The Finger Fry and French Fry guy 😋 Ah McCain.. you've done it again! |
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Aug 25, 2018 10:58 PM
#42
Fuchsia said: FrostyFire said: McCain Why does the name ring so many bells . Oh yeah! The Finger Fry and French Fry guy 😋 Ah McCain.. you've done it again! Ahan 😋 The ever smiling McCain |
You can't see me , My Time is Now 😎 |
Aug 25, 2018 11:03 PM
#43
Welp, I was expecting to press F to pay respects since the guy is dead, but I might as well join in the party. |
Aug 25, 2018 11:09 PM
#45
You liberals are fucking heartless bastards! Sure, you may not have agreed with his political ideology, but he at least deserves some respect. Decent humans have respect for the dead, patriots have respect for our veterans, and good citizens have respect the office of our public servants. I didn't like John McCain because he was too liberal, but you don't see me being a bitch about it. With all you disrespectful little shits out there, it's no wonder the country, and even the world has taken a turn for the worse. Trump was elected, in part, as part of a conservative rebellion against you people who have lost all decency. Hopefully, Sen. McCain's seat gets filled by a real conservative now and not a swamp creature. The rebellion will continue in our quest to restore some common decency to the world. May he rest in peace. |
NyaaAug 25, 2018 11:14 PM
Aug 25, 2018 11:33 PM
#46
It's amazing how many people will suck this man off after his passing because he supported Obama, regardless of all the shit he has caused. RIP but don't try this selective memory bullshit in public smh |
Aug 26, 2018 12:08 AM
#47
there's both liberal and conservative people in this thread from what i can tell who are being quite rude about his death, it's not just liberals... but regardless of political affiliation i agree that it's awful to try and use this as ammunition for arguments guy died of fucking cancer people.... cancer is a really horrendous thing to die from... if you've ever had a family member die of cancer, you'd understand how heinous it is to witness someone wither away while they're being choked in the grasp of an incurable disease, knowing that theyre going to die i dont agree with his politics either guys... but jfc... |
Aug 26, 2018 12:15 AM
#48
Like I said in the other thread: I hope his last moments were as painless and peaceful as possible. Cancer is a shitty way to go after all. |
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