spuukiebuugi said: Nyu said: That's pretty hypocritical, considering that's what all women do when they have a divorce, stealing all of the guy's assets. men get screwed over in divorces, yes, but that's only if they're married in the first place primarily why I'm probably never going to approach the institution of marriage at all not all females are innocent but acting like a man as distrusting as the aforementioned boyfriend is innocent either is complete bullshit, the two situations are in no way comparable, one is an unstable relationship between two teenagers and the other is more or less government forcibly reinforcing double standards, it still doesn't subvert the fact that douchebags should be called out on their bullshit. so should conniving, lying, falsely ""victimized"" women in a divorce situation who're after their husbands money. nevertheless the point is that bad people in relationships should not force bullshit upon their partner. for the record i am vehemently anti feminist but I cannot stand men who demean other men because they aren't "manly" enough by their standards and also demean women in turn, just as I can't stand women who pretend to stand for women's rights and demean men in the process as well as women who don't agree with them. they're both groups of what I consider endless hypocrites who need to shut the hell up. Ah, so the Gov't forces women to take all of their husband's assets? Ah, I never knew that, here I was think women were completely complicit in taking advantage of the situation. Women are completely responsible for men getting screwed over in Divorce, ya know, if they had any decency the majority of women wouldn't exploit this. Anyway, I have no sympathy for a single woman experiencing financial loss because of her boyfriend. As men institutionally experience severe financial loss because of women. |
spuukiebuugi said: Nyu said: Anyway, I have no sympathy for a single woman experiencing financial loss because of her boyfriend. As men institutionally experience severe financial loss because of women. Oh too bad for you and your fucking victim complex, that must automatically devalue the experience of every woman who's dated and been taken advantage of by a scumbag, eh? The losses are severe in any case, the mismanagement of money and relationships built on distrust? They know no gender. So if you think it's exclusive or only matters when it's done to men, based on your own personal "muH oppressed male ass" complex or otherwise, then I'm so sorry to say that you're kind of fucking idiotic. It happens to both genders and it's a problem either way. People all across the board are monumentally screwed over by financial irresponsibility of their partners doing. So please shut up and stop pretending that it only matters when it happens to your own sex. Show a little compassion and respect for everyone. Unless youre incapable of that because you're somehow so blinded by your own ideologically stifled morale (lack thereof). The point is that from a general standpoint you should give a fuck about this happening to anyone, male or female, yet you can't look past what I assume is a previously bad experience with a female and must generalize all of them? Do we have a whiny little MRA on our hands? Jeez, go back to r/incels or go feud with tumblr feminists or something. I have no patience for your kind. If you had just read my post, you would have realised your entire paragraph is irrelevant. I pointed out that I didn't care about a single woman's financial loss, since men as a whole experience severe financial loss due to women. If it was women as a whole being institutionally screwed over, I would actually care. It's funny how progressives always have to insult people with opposing views. |
Nyu said: xrockxz89 said: Uhh, I'm not sure I'd call it 'traditional' dude. I think you're letting the anime go to your head a bit pal. Although there is something timeless about hot maids ;) Wait, I'm talking about Traditional gender norms, like women being the caretaker, and guys being the worker. These views have been pillars in Western society for centuries. Though, most prominent in wealthy countries. Yeah, see thats not the same thing mons. Anime takes those civilization motifs and changes them so that they become acceptable and even cool. Reappropriating them. |
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spuukiebuugi said: Nyu said: It's funny how progressives always have to insult people with opposing views. it's funny how you attempt to try and be egalitarian when you mention double standards, yet you don't seem to grasp the basic logic that nazism & fascism are bad. there's some assbackwards train of thought there. I'm not trying to be an egalitarian, I left those views behind when I became a National Socialist. I was just pointing out injustices in society, which financially affected men, since you mentioned a similar topic. You do know that I don't hold every view of National Socialism, right? Not every conservative is against welfare, and not every liberal is for abortion. |
spuukiebuugi said: i'm getting really tired of this "substitute terminology to try and make yourself seem higher than mightier than thou when you're low as low gets" shit stop referring to it as "national socialism", it's fucking nazism get that through your dense head It's National Socialism, not the other term. |
Nyu said: spuukiebuugi said: it's cute that you think because we don't want to be in the kitchen (the only thing I'm good at is following packaged instructions) we're gonna be fat pigs also wanting some liberty from essentially just being around your partner all the time is called "having a social life that extends beyond your romantic relationship with your partner" which is completely normal, only jealous douchebag guys think their girl is a "whore" for having friends who are male even if they're only just that, friends. you honestly sound an awful lot like my friend's douchebag bf who got her debit card information and money stolen because his possessiveness extended over her so much alongside his lust for money that he'd purposely take her phone and card as if to assert his control over her, which is honestly disgusting. im not a dominant woman by any means but if my man stole my assets and got me into that level of deep shit, i would dump his ass immediately. "you honestly sound an awful lot like my friend's douchebag bf who got her debit card information and money stolen because his possessiveness extended over her so much alongside his lust for money that he'd purposely take her phone and card as if to assert his control over her, which is honestly disgusting. im not a dominant woman by any means but if my man stole my assets and got me into that level of deep shit, i would dump his ass immediately." That's pretty hypocritical, considering that's what all women do when they have a divorce, stealing all of the guy's assets. true lol, when a woman divorces in america they get 60-70 percent of the guy's shit, had it happen in my family :( |
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spuukiebuugi said: desperation said: i wouldn't want a progressive wife who whores herself out to other dudes and sits on the couch all day becoming fatter as each day passes so no but i am sexist lol it's cute that you think because we don't want to be in the kitchen (the only thing I'm good at is following packaged instructions) we're gonna be fat pigs also wanting some liberty from essentially just being around your partner all the time is called "having a social life that extends beyond your romantic relationship with your partner" which is completely normal, only jealous douchebag guys think their girl is a "whore" for having friends who are male even if they're only just that, friends. you honestly sound an awful lot like my friend's douchebag bf who got her debit card information and money stolen because his possessiveness extended over her so much alongside his lust for money that he'd purposely take her phone and card as if to assert his control over her, which is honestly disgusting. im not a dominant woman by any means but if my man stole my assets and got me into that level of deep shit, i would dump his ass immediately. there's a difference between sexuality and dominance versus a mutually healthy relationship, a guy treating a woman right and not like property does not make him a "wimp" or a "cuck" as you alt right tards describe it, it makes him a decent human being. you guys need to distance yourself from the fact that sexuality and personality always match, my boyfriend is a lot more sexually domineering than me, but he still treats me with respect, and i have a very strong personality but a submissive somewhat fearful sense of sexuality. discard the idea that nicer guys are wimps please and that your jerky ass is gonna get laid because boo hoo boo hoo you can lift x amount of pounds and therefore are worthier than a guy who treats people with decency first of all im not ALT RIGHT i am NEOREACTIONARY and a HARDCORE TRADITIONALIST so i do think womens rights should be capped at some point because today, men are being emasculated, trapped in polygamous relationships, and are forced into inceldom because they can't fit the 8/10+ standard MOST women want, and women have extremely high power when it comes to divorce and higher wages. womens rights have gone to the extent today where it's literally double standards and i never said that women can't have male friends, i meant like while i'm workin or some shit if my wife was progressive she'd try to sleep with other dudes wtf u gettin that from also i aint the type who steals a girl's assets i work for my own shit you think i'm some welfare lookin ass? that guy you're talkin about is probably a libtard lol also nice guys are wimps and having a better physical prowess can get you laid more than being a nice cunt who gets stepped on, that was my mistake in middle school and i got stepped on and girls literally called me a faggot lol. now i'm a douche but still unpopular but hey no one fucks w me now i'd bet u love polygamous relationships |
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Maneki-Mew said: Nyu said: It's not sexist whatsoever to have morals and traditional views, I hold traditional views myself, I'd prefer my wife to be a caretaker, while I'm the worker. We all have our place in the world, men and women are complementary. They are not shallow views, but pragmatic and respectable. You criticise people for having racial preferences, yet when you and women in general have appearance preferences, about whether people look good enough, that's pretty hypocritical. It's not about the racial preferences alone. Everyone (not just we evil women(TM)) has preferences, but it's kind of childish to ask for a perfect partner and can't be flexible and forget about your preferences. "Hey, we really get along and I fall in love with you, but unfortunately, you aren't *preferenced race or something else*" is just dumb, because you get in your own way and manipulate your own, possible future with this person, if you ask me. ... and people from every race and with every hair color etc.. can be handsome. I mean not perfect, just... like-a-normal-person-good. So, I don't care either, if someone decides to make his own life difficult. It's not my problem, if they find a partner or not, you see. ^^" Seems like you sure happen to care a bit too much for something that is not supposed to be your business, like you claimed moments ago, I personally tip you should get off the high horse and realise your faliure don't need to be projected in others, and their preference are free too. Grey-Zone said: Wish-ly said: Couldn't someone say that could be identified as internalised racism? That ideals foisted upon us by a racist society therefore structure our ideals?? So if a sexist society imposes the ideals of our partners through our culture, then we could have an indoctrinated sense of sexism. Agree, disagree? Disagree, or rather outright refute, because this is a thought-terminating cliché. A claim that has flaws that can only be refuted by the use of subjective evaluations (e.g. deciding what's "good" or "bad" for each gender without any real authority to do so), accusations of brainwashing or other forms of conditioning (e.g. internalized X-ism, etc.) and accusations of conspiracy (e.g. claiming that any action by a person that doesn't fit the X-ism claim is somehow or another doing it as a "dog whistle" and is actively pretending not to be an X-ist for the fear of social/criminal repercussions) has very low credibility. So my counterclaim to the OP: Forbidding people from conforming to the "gender stereotypes" is by itself oppressive. It's a totalitarian action to tell someone "I will actively prevent you from following gender stereotypes". On the other hand, there is, by itself, no harm in having "gender stereotypes" as a personal preference for a romantic partner. Of course it's a different story if someone wants to force that on someone, but the bad thing in that case isn't the fact that "gender stereotypes" is the preference, but instead it's the fact that someone wants to force someone else to do something against their own wishes, which would be oppressive in nature. But that applies to any other preference as well, so "gender sterotypes" has absolutely nothing to do with it. Gender stereotypes have existed ever since ,their have always been men who chose if they wanted to follow it or not, Gordon Ramsay is a chef, does a woman questions his authority in kitchen? I don't feel so, I am sure a lot of guys are fan to Ronda Rousey as well, but actively saying that "hey you don't do this, you do opposite of this" is pretty much same thing that happened years ago, but just reversed, it's a very corrupted grudge filled thought. AhegaoEgoha said: xrockxz89 said: Yeah, to be honest I don't watch enough news to know how issues of sexism are presented. I definitely think sexism still exists, though. Oh yeah it does exsist 100% But this topic is discussed to death in various communities, so I just like to have fun when the subject is brought up. I mean discussing something like this on a anime focused community is hilarious to me. Especially when you have shows doing stuff like this.  Like it or not anime has done some shit to us as a whole and have shifted our opinions on this subject which is why Chinese cartoon porn is so diverse as it is. I love me some dominant women in my fiction especially when they have muscles and very strong and confident. As sh*t, she hawt, oppai for days, also I never understood why we call it a princess carry? It's not like it's limited to Princess either, but then again I am not too sure about muscles, they can be creepy if overdone, but perfect when match real girl's toned abs, also what anime is that? Looks funny XD Maneki-Mew said: I think it's kind of naive and shallow per se to have such ideals. It doesn't matter, if they refer to certain character traits or a race or hair color etc... Life isn't a fairytale, so you don't fall in love with your ideal idea of a partner, but with a real person. Of course, someone wants to see some basic traits in their partner (like being treated with kindness, loyality etc...), but the more details you add, the more unrealistic it gets. Extreme cases always remind me of little girls, who have seen too many Disney movies and then they never grew out of them. ^^" Sounds like something a loneky loser will say who never managed to have a love life lol, you don't get to see people speak so proudly about how low their standards happen to be, almost a garbage of society to be exact XD WRYYY- said: I love a woman who can work a stove and you know that saying, the gateway to a man's heart is through his stomach. It's kind of true. Yup, I can't get over that whole woman cooking for me thing no matter how much I can try. AhegaoEgoha said: Wish-ly said: If you were a male and your ideal partner fits gender roles like: Making sandwiches, being the caretaker, being good at pleasing you, being the less dominant/following your orders, doing housework etc  I dunno about you guys but I have no problem being sent into the kitchen and being princess carried into the bedroom for snu snu. I would love being a house husband and taking care of the kids. If its sexiest to want my idea partner to be a tall, strong and a beautiful woman. So be it!  Denied and rejected! Tisha is still very cute and sweet and very fememine, a bad example of woman will be Mrs Smith, you need to be quite something to deal with her (unless it's one night stand XD) honestly I love cooking, and it has been the knife and flame has always inspired me for years and years and that is cool, but to be honest, no I am not gonna be submissive to a woman, not realising how the GET when you are submissive, it's like they don't even realise things they say or do you know, if only real girls were like Tisha, real girls smack your butt when mad despite being half hour size and you can't do any thing about it (sniff) atleast if they were a guy they would run away, real girls say dumb stuff like "hit me if you have the ball" I mean course I can hit you, it's just I will go to jail if I do so (shrug) and even if I don't, I will have to take you to hospital (Hi.Maintain b!tch) Seiya said: Technically, yes. Gender roles need to die, because people need to feel comfortable in their own skin, and realize that they don't need to do something just because it's considered "the norm." On contrary to popular belief, gender roles are not forced and are naturally adapted into people that brings optimum results, unless you happen to believe that just because you do not like gender tradition, other are no supposed to follow it either, I mean sure if my son turns out to be a cross-dressing gay boy I am not gonna sacrifice him to Satan, he is still my kid, but it's not like I won't hold any expectations or wishes in case it happens to be a boy who just ends up copying me a male figure perhaps, gender roles are simply headed in us, a parent figure just happens to help you understand it much faster than you normally would, similarly to how animals can hunt eventually even if they lack parent after certain age, but learn it faster in presence of a parent giving them an example, ofcourse no one needs to follow it up if they don't feel like it but, it does not needs to stop existing, that is the logic Tumblr comes up with under its years worth of identity crisis in it. Usagi said: If wanting a strong, dependable man who kills spiders and carries the heavy stuff is sexist, then I'll gladly be sexist. Just please, kill the spiders and carry the heavy stuff. Why...why spiders? I won't lie, I mean I have hated them too, and killed them too (once I even punched a huge one, that was traumatizing . . . But it felt so awesome I swear XD) and carrying heavy stuff is a normal task in my life (no ma'am, I bet you are very pretty, and sweet but I am not making moves on you XD) but is like, killing them nessecary? I mean can't I like just take them in a jar and throw them out (again, this is NOT what it sounds like before this becomes a huge misunderstanding like it happened to me on the YouTube, it's just a platonic question) unless ofcourse it happens to be a huge ass black widow, anything that kills their mates is way better dead. mecharobot said: On one hand they don't HAVE to make a sandwhich, but on the other if they can't even perform such a simple act of affection and caring as preparing a snack or fetching a beer from the fridge, then maybe they just have some issues I rather not deal with. Well the whole sand witch think was never meant to be taken literally, it was at best a hyperbole, I mean the same joke had the origins how men were only good for opening jars, but to be honest . . .i'll be ashamed if I got mad that that dude. psycho said: fUcK StErEoTyPeS mALeS ShOuLd Be In ThE KiTcHeN Lol Sure honey, & useless woman like you should be out of the house, fking lel. Seiya said: That is gross, but if that's what that person wants to look like, it's their choice. I'm as anti-feminist as a man can get, but I hate submissive housewives. I can respect that, I have lot of friends who feel same way, well it's not that they hate traditional role, the "submissive" thing kind of seems to be burdening them, like they are holding slave or something similar to that. |
| I mean I like cooking and I'm a guy. So in this instance I don't want the gender roles. If getting married means I can't cook I don't want marriage. |
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Wish-ly said: If you were a male and your ideal partner fits gender roles like: Making sandwiches, being the caretaker, being good at pleasing you, being the less dominant/following your orders, doing housework etc If you were female and your ideal partner fits gender roles like: Being masculine, doing all the labour, being chivalrous (aka a romeo fantasy) having high-performing athletic skills, having muscles, taking charge/protective, tall etc Does having these ideals in a partner make you sexist? Discuss your opinions. :> Having a preference is not, i repeat NOT, sexist. However if you have a partner and try to make her fit that "ideal" you are being sexist. But only because you are trying to make her fit a gender stereotype. If for instance you were trying to make her fit a more tomboy roll and such it wouldn't be sexist but still wrong. Same thing for women. Long story short there is no issue with having an "Ideal" of a partner, the issue is when you try to take someone who isn't that and make them that. Find someone who is like that instead. if there are none (if you are going to say that) then give up and masturbate. |
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| So you're not alt right, you're just alt right. spuukiebuugi said: Most people don't realize that social welfare is very broad and helps more than just the "lazy blacks destroying 'merica". actually, many people who are against welfare do not practice what they preach, especially the elders who leech off social security and the like, all of which are considered to be more or less, government welfare programs. ergo, yes, "conservitards" (the rightwinged counterpart to "libtard") that leech off the government do exist in numbers, many of them being old rural folks in addition to young people with too many children to support, etc. there are actual poor people who need welfare, and are given a bad reputation as a whole because their jobs cannot pay for their families or lives without assistance, due to the abusers. the problem is, welfare, like any system, is going to be abused by dishonorable, lazy people, regardless of age, alignment, or otherwise. That being said, the main people against Social Security really don't need it to be fine. It's a terrible system anyway that should either be reworked or gotten rid of. There are other forms of welfare that everyone benefits from, though. It's really freaking broad. |
sk8ter_boi said: So you're not alt right, you're just alt right. spuukiebuugi said: Most people don't realize that social welfare is very broad and helps more than just the "lazy blacks destroying 'merica". actually, many people who are against welfare do not practice what they preach, especially the elders who leech off social security and the like, all of which are considered to be more or less, government welfare programs. ergo, yes, "conservitards" (the rightwinged counterpart to "libtard") that leech off the government do exist in numbers, many of them being old rural folks in addition to young people with too many children to support, etc. there are actual poor people who need welfare, and are given a bad reputation as a whole because their jobs cannot pay for their families or lives without assistance, due to the abusers. the problem is, welfare, like any system, is going to be abused by dishonorable, lazy people, regardless of age, alignment, or otherwise. That being said, the main people against Social Security really don't need it to be fine. It's a terrible system anyway that should either be reworked or gotten rid of. There are other forms of welfare that everyone benefits from, though. It's really freaking broad. no i think ur the alt right here u alt right |
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desperation said: That is the best response I've read all week. Thanks.sk8ter_boi said: So you're not alt right, you're just alt right. Most people don't realize that social welfare is very broad and helps more than just the "lazy blacks destroying 'merica". That being said, the main people against Social Security really don't need it to be fine. It's a terrible system anyway that should either be reworked or gotten rid of. There are other forms of welfare that everyone benefits from, though. It's really freaking broad. no i think ur the alt right here u alt right |
| Well, imho, I hate things that seem predetermined. I'm quite open about the weirdness of my partner behavior as long as she still acts like human-being xD to the you the truth, I imagine we swaps our roles sometimes just to see how much pressure that each role has, lol~ It could make we understand each other better :D I think -_- |
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| Yup. Sexist. (specifically the part where you order her around like a pet) Glad I am in a relationship where we: Share the chores. (in a traditional relationship women do most of the housework but men do most of the outdoor work, which we have none living in an apartment) Both cook. (in a traditional relationship women does all indoor cooking- Granted, I cook way better than my husband but he can make sandwhiches for me. I make the hard dinners. Come dinnertime. This is just because I am a better cook. But I have expected my husband to learn how to make eggs and such for breakfast. It isn't that hard!) Have sex in the kitchen (which you need muscles for.) Both handle money. (in a traditional relationship, women handle the money) Both work hard (we are both disabled but do respective work to better ourselves) Have mutual respect. If we had a child would share responsibility. We share responsibility of our dog. Making mutual future decisions. Like we talk about future sex life and how to make that more satisfying for both of us. We talk about maybe having threesomes. We talk about porn watching. We talk about activities like board game night and playing card games. We talk about planned daily hikes with our dog. And then actually putting plans into action. Including date nights of going to the movie and how to choose a movie. Either you choose/ I choose. Or a mutual excitement. And should we wait for the discount theater. Paying for ourselves at all our dates too. But hey, we are married and been together for 8 years. eh. Also, no idea why you wouldn't want an athletic girl. A girl who can do gymnastics or skate or dance= very flexible, very fit, thin, exactly what people here want. But no. I guess you want somehow that all to come without hard work and to be "genetic" lol. yeah you are just living in a fantasy. |
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Rotton-Girl said: Technically doesn't make you sexist since you don't want all women to be like that, just your partner. Yup. Sexist. (specifically the part where you order her around like a pet) |
sk8ter_boi said: Rotton-Girl said: Technically doesn't make you sexist since you don't want all women to be like that, just your partner. Yup. Sexist. (specifically the part where you order her around like a pet) Even my father, who has a fairly traditional relationship with his wife, DOES NOT treat his wife that way. He chips in with chores and child rearing and all that jazz. And does not order my step mom around in her domain. Would be totally wacko if he did. XD Glad he isn't a control freak. And she cleans the house, cooks every day and cares for the kids. But if she is tired he picks up the slack. My step mom is 5ft tall and my dad is 6'5. Sooooo yeah. And he STILL doesn't order her around. She is a bright happy spirit. Very nice woman. I love my mom. And I really love my dad. I feel grateful to have a father who loved children so much and saw it beneficial to be around as an integral piece of the home even if he was the breadwinner. Being the eldest of 10, I just can't imagine my father's house working out too well if he was the type to order her about. Would have sucked honestly. I am so happy my dad is not an authoritarian. But was very organized, interested in having fun with his family. Financially savvy. |
Energetic-NovaAug 7, 2017 1:44 PM
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Rotton-Girl said: True, but having preferences doesn't exactly amount to anything more than having preferences. If the lady likes those preferences as well, who is to say it's wrong?sk8ter_boi said: Technically doesn't make you sexist since you don't want all women to be like that, just your partner. Even my father, who has a fairly traditional relationship with his wife, DOES NOT treat his wife that way. He chips in with chores and child rearing and all that jazz. And does not order my step mom around in her domain. Would be totally wacko if he did. XD Glad he isn't a control freak. And she cleans the house, cooks every day and cares for the kids. But if she is tired he picks up the slack. My step mom is 5ft tall and my dad is 6'5. Sooooo yeah. And he STILL doesn't order her around. She is a bright happy spirit. Very nice woman. I love my mom. And I really love my dad. I feel grateful to have a father who loved children so much and saw it beneficial to be around as an integral piece of the home even if he was the breadwinner. Being the eldest of 10, I just can't imagine my father's house working out too well if he was the type to order her about. Would have sucked honestly. It's definitely a terrible idea for everyone, but no shoe fits every foot. Your mom sounds nice. |
Rotton-Girl said: This is heavily anecdotal, which is fine in itself, the lines blur pretty easily when it comes to "traditional" and "nontraditional", but what if a girl wanted to be the archtypal likes to be ordered around submissive girl? Would giving her what she wanted still be sexist? Also, don't embarass yourself with "they don't exist you're in a fantasy" because literally my last girlfriend was that to an absolute tee and we were in a happy 18 month relationship.sk8ter_boi said: Technically doesn't make you sexist since you don't want all women to be like that, just your partner. Even my father, who has a fairly traditional relationship with his wife, DOES NOT treat his wife that way. He chips in with chores and child rearing and all that jazz. And does not order my step mom around in her domain. Would be totally wacko if he did. XD Glad he isn't a control freak. And she cleans the house, cooks every day and cares for the kids. But if she is tired he picks up the slack. My step mom is 5ft tall and my dad is 6'5. Sooooo yeah. And he STILL doesn't order her around. She is a bright happy spirit. Very nice woman. I love my mom. And I really love my dad. I feel grateful to have a father who loved children so much and saw it beneficial to be around as an integral piece of the home even if he was the breadwinner. Being the eldest of 10, I just can't imagine my father's house working out too well if he was the type to order her about. Would have sucked honestly. |
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| Well, it's not overt sexism, but it is an aspect of internalised sexism that you have developed from growing up around a society with gender norms. At the end of the day, you like what you and there's nothing wrong with that, but I do think it's important to examine where your ideals have come from and to challenge yourself on them. |
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TangerinesR_1337 said: our boi here was just too bored lol :')This is my friend's thread, sorry, he's drunk. |
ladamesansmerci said: Well, it's not overt sexism, but it is an aspect of internalised sexism that you have developed from growing up around a society with gender norms. At the end of the day, you like what you and there's nothing wrong with that, but I do think it's important to examine where your ideals have come from and to challenge yourself on them. Gender norms are not sexist, they are natural, and those that think otherwise have been influenced by internalised communism, like feminism. So it's important to examine that your ideals stem from Communism, and challenge yourself on them. |
| No? we all have fetishes and preferences just as long as you want all people to fit gender stereotypes your safe in my book |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
| well even if it is i want my husband to be manly asf ok |
| I mean, I certainly wouldn't mind being pleased and receiving sandwiches... |
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hazerddex said: No? we all have fetishes and preferences just as long as you want all people to fit gender stereotypes your safe in my book It's gender norms, not stereotypes. I just wanted to distinguish the between them, cause stereotype has negative connotations, whereas norms do not. And it is Gender norms as they have been in our society for centuries. |
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| I mean there's nothing wrong with wanting your partner to be stereotypical but good luck on finding her. I'd rather settle for a girl I like rather than a girl that makes sandwiches I like. |
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Turnip said: I mean there's nothing wrong with wanting your partner to be stereotypical but good luck on finding her. I'd rather settle for a girl I like rather than a girl that makes sandwiches I like. This thread has nothing to do with stereotypes, just gender norms, that have been in society for centuries. Most people still adhere to gender norms. |
Nyu said: Sorry, I read the title not the OP. I thought he was on about gender stereotypes my bad.Turnip said: I mean there's nothing wrong with wanting your partner to be stereotypical but good luck on finding her. I'd rather settle for a girl I like rather than a girl that makes sandwiches I like. This thread has nothing to do with stereotypes, just gender norms, that have been in society for centuries. Most people still adhere to gender norms. |
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| Not really sexist, cause some girls are stereotypes. I've also noticed that once people join a relationship they become more stereotypical of their gender so even if the person you date isn't a stereotype, they may become one over time simply out of love. which is just darn cute. |
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| I want a girl who is weak, feeble and fragile, like most women are. |
Felix said: Seiya said: Technically, yes. Gender roles need to die, because people need to feel comfortable in their own skin, and realize that they don't need to do something just because it's considered "the norm." I will be gladly considered sexist if this is "feeling comfortable in their own skin" BUT WHY!? WHY DYE YOUR ARMPIT HAIR!!?!? |
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| Do I think there are gender roles that have been built since the dawn of Humanity? Yes. Do I think such roles are still evident in society and should remain there? Yes. Do I want my partner (I'm a straight male) to be completely submissive and oblivious/dumb so they can not partake in logical discussions (debates and general thinking)? No. Do I think she should know how to cook if she will not be the one making money for the family? Yes. It's not hard (even making complex things is easy because of the internet, I make my own ice cream from scratch sometimes without one of those fancy machines). Do I think that as a male that it should be my responsibility to make money for a family? Yes. Call me old-fashioned (or "sexist" in these times) but I just think that's what makes for a good relationship. I don't want to have a SJW as a partner but I don't want this to be the 1950s where a woman is unable to speak her mind. I would love to have intelligent discussions with my future partners as I have with the past ones. |
spuukiebuugi said: Turnip said: Sorry, I read the title not the OP. I thought he was on about gender stereotypes my bad. no, not all people 100% adhere to gender norms. actually, most people don't, they are a mixture whether they want to admit it or not. gender norms, are, in fact, completely arbitrary, as supposed to inherent. and again, the idea that interior and exterior always match is complete and utter bullshit. tomboyish looking girls aren't always brutish and can be soft, just as pretty boys aren't always wimps and can be domineering. if you think that someone's externalized appearance and internalized thought always match, you're probably a fucking idiot. I never said 100% of people adhere to gender norms, but most people do adhere to gender norms, you forget that the West isn't the entirety of the world. Most people in the world adhere to gender norms, this is because they aren't in decadent, complacent & degraded Western countries, who are that bored, they have to oppose basic human attitudes, they haven't had a war, or civil rights movement to fight for in decades, so they need something to oppose, that's how pathetic people are nowadays. |
| depend it is preference or prejudice... don't make it complex... |
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| Well, I personally think most of gender roles are stupid and outdated but I don't mind if somebody else want his/her partner to fit them. It's his/her preference after all. Anyway I've seen too many men and women who doesn't fit gender roles and want to be liked just the way they are yet demand that their partner (or partner-to-be) fit gender roles... it's a bit hypocritical to my mind. |
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Wish-ly said: More like you're a lazy person lolIf you were a male and your ideal partner fits gender roles like: Making sandwiches, being the caretaker, being good at pleasing you, being the less dominant/following your orders, doing housework etc If you were female and your ideal partner fits gender roles like: Being masculine, doing all the labour, being chivalrous (aka a romeo fantasy) having high-performing athletic skills, having muscles, taking charge/protective, tall etc Some points are valid, like wanting a submissive partner, wanting chivalry, masculinity/femininity. That's okay. But wanting someone to make your food/do the chores? Come on. I want to be the one doing more for my man but to each their own. I think everyone should aspire to be an independent, strong person before finding a partner. |
| It's only a problem if you think that every woman/man should be this way |
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