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Dec 20, 2016 7:29 AM
#951
DenjaX said: With the current state of the game, I would like to express my strategy for this game. I believe I this is my job as a type of player who likes being cryptic. I expect no less from town if they do not understand my message for them but you guys should not be worried at all. This is the kind of danger that I am attempting to do that could make or break the game. I thought that this will be a great strategy but I may find people complain about it later. This is such a good tool to segregate who the rats that are lurking and killing innocent people. We have to keep an eye on those who are paying close attention to this game whether or not they get this message. We cannot have everyone to resort to this kind of strategy but I am just pointing out that it is possible to do this. My idea alone cannot make this possible unless town can understand what I am trying to do. I trust that you guys will make use of this strategy for later. Any other option is welcomed by me if you guys can give me a different suggestion. If you are reading this, I will probably receive my death sentence. I am walking in a borrowed time and soon it will be over for me. I hope you guys can pick up where I left off when deemed necessary. Without it, we might just be left in the dark especially with all these inactives trying to ruin the fun. xDD In other words, we should lynch scum in order to win the game. One at a time. Swoosh, that's the sound of Denja's words going right over my head because I'm not understanding the point of anything he's saying. |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:33 AM
#952
-shad- said: The Sketch game is the only one that comes to mind. Did you actually read that one ?@Togs I was referring to two games you landed as scum - one was pirates and the other was the time you landed as scum and post something really town and then you went inactive |
Dec 20, 2016 7:33 AM
#953
PentaFlare said: I totally forgot about this. I just logged back into MAL after a couple days away so I just got all the notifications now. I'm so sorry. Starting to actually read this now. >.< LAZY! |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:34 AM
#954
Togs said: -shad- said: The Sketch game is the only one that comes to mind. Did you actually read that one ?@Togs I was referring to two games you landed as scum - one was pirates and the other was the time you landed as scum and post something really town and then you went inactive I read it somewhat when i wanted to take some stats of it. |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:34 AM
#955
LucianRoy said: PentaFlare said: I totally forgot about this. I just logged back into MAL after a couple days away so I just got all the notifications now. I'm so sorry. Starting to actually read this now. >.< LAZY! reminds me of pirates where you go AWFUL! LAZY ! |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:35 AM
#956
Togs said: Because I have been trying to use my vote more liberally since there is no reveal. I need to find a way to get people active and your train wasn't accomplishing anything if you look over D2. I still like you the best right now but I have a feeling that scum are mixed among the inactive with one more active player leading them. I put my vote on Phraze for pressure and because I believe that Denja is town and can be trusted. The vote acutally accomplished what it was supposed to as Phraze showed up and had a major Dialogue with DenjaX while I was away. Vadim: Togs Now that you are back my vote can go back on my lead suspect and I will be very interested to see how you plan on not being lynched today. I have asked a lot of questions so if you could answer some of them it would be greatly appreciated.Sorry about that I’m here. I seem to be the consensus scumread for some reason, sorry to disappoint though but I’m not getting lynched toDay. [2] Togs ✖ Chione, Phraze, Rinto-kun (Shad) My Yatagarasu senses are telling me there’s scum somewhere on here. Will keep it in mind for poe purposes.-shad- said: Didn’t I literally not post in that game though and replaced outGruffin said: -shad- said: What do you find interesting about Togs' read list? Is he townie or scummy to you?Togs - Quiet, but interesting read list. I want to know more of him as i know he can vanished as he is quite busy. KOtA said: Speaking of promises, I'm still waiting on this. How later on are we going to get this reads list from you?i'll give you a read list later on Aplogized didnt get to quite read this. I was leaning towards him as town, but right now im leaning on him as scum because it just reminds me of a playstyle he once did as scum!togs where he will post something really townie in the first day and then get inactive in the next - also quite the same as pirates!togs. With this im voting until togs comes back and tell me whatsup Vadim Togs or until the last hour of phase change logic340 said: Why’s your vote on a neutral read and not on a scum read ?Town: DenjaX, Logic340, Chione, Kit Possible town: Gruffin, Rinto-kun Complete unknown: Sodalicious_, LucianRoy, callmeLuna Neutral: Phraze, PentaFlare, Ruu I don't know if I'm neutral on then or scum: Karote, KOta Scum lean: Togs, -shad- Questions: #820 #863 #879 |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:36 AM
#957
-shad- said: You should refer to someone who was actually in that game then, like @Chione. Not to toot my own horn but I did a lot more than just "post 1 thing town" that game.Togs said: -shad- said: @Togs I was referring to two games you landed as scum - one was pirates and the other was the time you landed as scum and post something really town and then you went inactive I read it somewhat when i wanted to take some stats of it. Shouldn't you be comparing to like, Danganronpa ? |
Dec 20, 2016 7:36 AM
#958
Dec 20, 2016 7:37 AM
#959
LucianRoy said: Is there anyone you do believe to be town?DenjaX said: With the current state of the game, I would like to express my strategy for this game. I believe I this is my job as a type of player who likes being cryptic. I expect no less from town if they do not understand my message for them but you guys should not be worried at all. This is the kind of danger that I am attempting to do that could make or break the game. I thought that this will be a great strategy but I may find people complain about it later. This is such a good tool to segregate who the rats that are lurking and killing innocent people. We have to keep an eye on those who are paying close attention to this game whether or not they get this message. We cannot have everyone to resort to this kind of strategy but I am just pointing out that it is possible to do this. My idea alone cannot make this possible unless town can understand what I am trying to do. I trust that you guys will make use of this strategy for later. Any other option is welcomed by me if you guys can give me a different suggestion. If you are reading this, I will probably receive my death sentence. I am walking in a borrowed time and soon it will be over for me. I hope you guys can pick up where I left off when deemed necessary. Without it, we might just be left in the dark especially with all these inactives trying to ruin the fun. xDD In other words, we should lynch scum in order to win the game. One at a time. Swoosh, that's the sound of Denja's words going right over my head because I'm not understanding the point of anything he's saying. |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:37 AM
#960
Great. Just wasted my time. -shad- said: logic340 said: -shad- said: logic340 said: Im honestly reading now and i can feel that phraze is just being a frustrated town right now as i got a feeling shes just being overall frustrated like stated in this post. -shad- said: logic340 said: @-shad- You were online 45 minutes ago you couldn't have checked into the thread while you were here? Edit: Typo Actually can you link me where the first fight happened between Denja and phraze the part where it started and stuff like that #714 - Phraze and Denja are talking about the lynch tie. [url=https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1576908&show=700#msg49001040]#716[url] - DenjaX responds to #714 and asks Phraze some questions. #720 - Phraze responds to the questions by saying she is not claiming #723 DenjaX's response to Phraze's answer #850 - Denja votes Phraze #880 - Denja asks me to join on Phraze vote #888 - Says she is not going to ruin Denja's plan calls it fluff Everything from here has pretty much been Denja vs. Phraze here Denja i dont really trust him just yet, as i know he can be a formidable mafia if he is one which is why people tend to aim on him early. Sorry bruthur you know its true The reason why i only trusted denja in the idol mafia was because i know he was a town that game. This game speaks different as i do not know denja's role is for real. Town: DenjaX, Logic340, Chione, Kit Possible town: Gruffin, Rinto-kun Complete unknown: Sodalicious_, LucianRoy, callmeLuna Neutral: Phraze, PentaFlare, Ruu I don't know if I'm neutral on then or scum: Karote, KOta Scum lean: Togs, -shad- True you might be able to determine is action and behaviour, but i know how denja thinks 4 steps infront other players when his mafia. So im pretty sure he got that in check when he rolled with what he had with his actions that he choose to do. I believe for right now that you are town as well as chione and right now phraze as well. My town is - Phraze / Logic / Chione / Kit / Me Possible - Gruffin Neutral - Ruu Unknown - Soda / Lucian / Luna/ Pentaflare / Denjax Unable to read - Karote Possible scum - KOta Scum lean - Togs Its just that togs rubs me the wrong way with what his doing as he is so alike with his previous playstyle where he rolled scum. Ruu is neutral cause she havent post much inputs. This reeks scum. Copy&paste, really? |
Dec 20, 2016 7:38 AM
#961
Togs said: -shad- said: You should refer to someone who was actually in that game then, like @Chione. Not to toot my own horn but I did a lot more than just "post 1 thing town" that game.Togs said: -shad- said: The Sketch game is the only one that comes to mind. Did you actually read that one ?@Togs I was referring to two games you landed as scum - one was pirates and the other was the time you landed as scum and post something really town and then you went inactive I read it somewhat when i wanted to take some stats of it. Shouldn't you be comparing to like, Danganronpa ? Toot your own horn? Well of course, im reading previous games as well just to see your playstyle. However you might changed the one from danganronpa as you were replacing kasai so you may have alter your playstyle a bit |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:38 AM
#962
Chione said: Great. Just wasted my time. -shad- said: logic340 said: -shad- said: I think if you look at this setup with Denja's actions you should be able to determine where his behavior (motivation) is coming from. Do you think I am town at this time? Do you trust any of my reads?logic340 said: Im honestly reading now and i can feel that phraze is just being a frustrated town right now as i got a feeling shes just being overall frustrated like stated in this post. -shad- said: logic340 said: @-shad- You were online 45 minutes ago you couldn't have checked into the thread while you were here? Edit: Typo Actually can you link me where the first fight happened between Denja and phraze the part where it started and stuff like that #714 - Phraze and Denja are talking about the lynch tie. [url=https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1576908&show=700#msg49001040]#716[url] - DenjaX responds to #714 and asks Phraze some questions. #720 - Phraze responds to the questions by saying she is not claiming #723 DenjaX's response to Phraze's answer #850 - Denja votes Phraze #880 - Denja asks me to join on Phraze vote #888 - Says she is not going to ruin Denja's plan calls it fluff Everything from here has pretty much been Denja vs. Phraze here Denja i dont really trust him just yet, as i know he can be a formidable mafia if he is one which is why people tend to aim on him early. Sorry bruthur you know its true The reason why i only trusted denja in the idol mafia was because i know he was a town that game. This game speaks different as i do not know denja's role is for real. Town: DenjaX, Logic340, Chione, Kit Possible town: Gruffin, Rinto-kun Complete unknown: Sodalicious_, LucianRoy, callmeLuna Neutral: Phraze, PentaFlare, Ruu I don't know if I'm neutral on then or scum: Karote, KOta Scum lean: Togs, -shad- True you might be able to determine is action and behaviour, but i know how denja thinks 4 steps infront other players when his mafia. So im pretty sure he got that in check when he rolled with what he had with his actions that he choose to do. I believe for right now that you are town as well as chione and right now phraze as well. My town is - Phraze / Logic / Chione / Kit / Me Possible - Gruffin Neutral - Ruu Unknown - Soda / Lucian / Luna/ Pentaflare / Denjax Unable to read - Karote Possible scum - KOta Scum lean - Togs Its just that togs rubs me the wrong way with what his doing as he is so alike with his previous playstyle where he rolled scum. Ruu is neutral cause she havent post much inputs. This reeks scum. Copy&paste, really? Copy from my initital read list? Yes. Copy from other people. No. Nice try : D Edit : Would you say im that retarded to do something like that when i have been scum once where i did the exact same thing which arrisu caught me from? lmao. |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:42 AM
#963
@Logic340 I'm good with a Phraze or Togs lynch, but I prefer lynching Phaze over Togs since I seems he's appeared again and Shad's vote is looking a little...>-> Hmmm. I'll be sticking to this vote most likely. Rinto-kun said: Woah, no no no. I don't think I could stand this game any longer if we didn't lynch someone. Someone seriously needs to get lynched today or else we'll be no further than we were D1.No idea. Tbh it's more beneficial to us if we don't lynch and risk, but that's only if we're sure in our strategy or have considered any kind of strategy. So yeah, more town-killings will only work in mafia's favor so I'd rather have a minimal death toll. Though if it's inactives, I'd rather kill them. @GermanSpies please kill the inactive players, they ruin the game. ;_; -shad- said: Sudden defense of Phraze? I did not see frustrated town, I saw frustrated scum.Im honestly reading now and i can feel that phraze is just being a frustrated town right now as i got a feeling shes just being overall frustrated like stated in this post. here Denja i dont really trust him just yet, as i know he can be a formidable mafia if he is one which is why people tend to aim on him early. Sorry bruthur you know its true The reason why i only trusted denja in the idol mafia was because i know he was a town that game. This game speaks different as i do not know denja's role is for real. -shad- said: Interesting Phraze is the first one listed in your townreads. What made you feel so strongly that she is town?True you might be able to determine is action and behaviour, but i know how denja thinks 4 steps infront other players when his mafia. So im pretty sure he got that in check when he rolled with what he had with his actions that he choose to do. I believe for right now that you are town as well as chione and right now phraze as well. My town is - Phraze / Logic / Chione / Kit / Me Possible - Gruffin Neutral - Ruu Unknown - Soda / Lucian / Luna/ Pentaflare / Denjax Unable to read - Karote Possible scum - KOta Scum lean - Togs Its just that togs rubs me the wrong way with what his doing as he is so alike with his previous playstyle where he rolled scum. Ruu is neutral cause she havent post much inputs. So you are basing your Togs read on meta? His posting pattern is similar to CCL, no? Anything else that looks scummy to you other than that? |
Dec 20, 2016 7:42 AM
#964
random posting for now @LucianRoy At #713, what's up with Phraze and Shad? Seems outta the blue to me man. Gruffin asked the same thing, I replied somewhere later. I was saying somewhere that scum activity is coaching in general. Gruffin wanted an example so I gave it, she said they're different so I referred to Jack later. overall, coaching don't seem town to me. more a way to pocket someone.moreover, the buddying comments to Denja? idk who's worse, Denja or Shad lol. I personally do not like Shad's coaching thing. Denja got some strategy in his posts tho. |
Dec 20, 2016 7:43 AM
#965
logic340 said: LucianRoy said: Thank you for putting this out there. OH man it's so refreshing to get a different take on things. My playstyle can be a little brash at time. I called Fo "a cancer to the game" in Hirugashi before I finally realized what his playstyle was like and how it was actually a benefit to town. I love Fo he taught me so much and even though I was kind of an ass to him he kept on working with me. I have noticed that I tend to get into at least one seriously heated discussion per game and usually early (Grave_robber, Fo, and now Chione). Even though it was due to a misunderstanding I like that it allowed us to get to know one another a little bit and I am glad there wasn't too much irepreable damage done, we can still talk (loved this comment "#508 Chione--> Kota tryna counter with logic? Didn't you guys just have a family feud or something?"). My town read on Togs was meta based but Phraze brought up a good point. The one game I played with Togs as Scum he was loverized which probably affected how he plays as scum. Other than that I got some good vibes from him early but not so much anymore. I did a write up on Togs and voted for him early at this point he is currently my best scum lead.LET'S DO THIS D1 everybody I tried to keep it as accurate as possible to original notes I took. I ran out of paper after I ran out of post-it notes, so no more real notes. I apologize for a lot of it being just recap for me personally and close reading so things you guys will probably find inconsequential, but if I took notes on it, then there's probably a reason I took notes for it, (much of it to see how it the thread plays out so I can go back and look at interactions if need be). And, indeed, some places I go back and interact with the notes I took previously, so try n keep up, k? Some of its even dialogue with shin b/c some of his play was pretty janky. And yeah, I know it's long, But I'm tryna make up for a game my slot maybe has 5 good posts in a set of almost 20 pages. I read and responded/analyzed/ questioned as I read, so I apologize if some of these have already been answered, a lot of the rest is just info and summary. Logic--> Luna Gruf-->Logic Shad-->Gruf Luna-->Shad Phraze-->Denja Shin-->Chione #17 Shin standing up for inactives, ha Karote-->Denja Ruu-->Denja Chione-->Kit #23 Chione pressures logic to back off luna? also, tf is that question, it's rvs #25 Karote wants a train, seems preh NAI to me, but dissuading early vote analysis in 26? not cool, never too soon to start! Gruffin clutches 27 and slams both shin and chione, niiicceeee Gruff gives chione some of her own medicine in #35, hand those questions right back man #40 Shin being a bum and dissuading early trains, c'mon man #41 Bruh, there is a direct counter to this argument, scum can literally hide on any wagon on town. Just because it's early doesn't mean trains are hands-off just because scum can be on them. Shit, we want that so we can oust them later, but no flips/search party jank make this difficult. #43 yeah, logic backing me up on this Phraze even backs this up too #46 Chione pushes on logic for having a vote on a person who's posted in the game and is active?? #47Karote being cautious in RVS, HA #50 Shin, wtf, throwing in the towel before the game's begun #52 Ruu's "Maybe we'll get lucky" comment almost as bad as shin's no train philosophy? Maybe? #53 Logic follows up with a good question pressuring Chione. (It's good because it's a trick q), logic knows my man Fo too, whatta legend amirite? Rinto --> Penta #67 Karote wants a counter-train and asks Gruffin to do it with him; why Gruffin? #68 Gruff supports the notion b/c he's town leaning Logic now, no? Guess he's out of RVS. #71 Rinto hates trains too? Where is all this hate coming from??? #72 Blah blah Logic calls for town cooperation in the early game banter banter #73 Shin continues jank D1 play by saying it's good to focus on multiple people, but then does nothing? whatta bum #75 Gruff: "I have no reason to poke you, just carry on with what you're doing :P" Duality? Buddying? Or does it read in context with the town lean he was forming posts before? #78 Shin hounds Phraze for sheeping his logic, but why? I thought Phraze was joking when he made that comment #80 Ok shin, when is it not too early to start a train? huh? At this point you're just impeding town shooting down those juicy wagons. #83 Kit--> Logic, you sure we aren't out of RVS yet? Rinot fluffs #85Gruff wants to see some kind of plan from shin to "ensure we lynch scum"? Sorry bud, if I had one of those this game would be too easy. #86 Gruff---> Shin and wants the yung wagon #88 Logic: "Hey guys, I'm not scum, did I mention I'm not scum?" logic--> Shin, sheeps Gruff and asks for reasons, bleh #90 gruff hands it right back to Logic #91 Kit's sus of Karote, claims he's warping words? #92 Logic says shin's posts are NAI for him, and backs it up with a bit o meta, but he is suspicious of Karote. #95 Kit confirms her suspicions on Karot Kit--> Karot, and quotes her reasons. Honestly, this is a pretty solid vote for being so early in the phase. Going after him for the contradiction looks golden, so is going after Karot for putting words in phraze's mouth Denja's first post: something something trump cards, DOESN'T HAVE A VOTE! SUSPICIOUS! #103 gruff: "Yeah, Karot or Shin train, take yer pick" Both are suspicious for him atm? #108 Togs-->Penta YEAH, lynch Penta!!! Denja-->Chione YEah, lynch chione b/c she's German!!! Gamesolved. #110 Karote responds to Kit's post and pins blame on her? #111 karote shrugs off Kit's vote denouncing it as RVS shite- total downplay man, why tho? #114 Kit implies Karote was one misrepping, not her, and even spells it out for Karot. #116 Logic backs up Kit and says Karot's mad sus oss. #119 Kit thinks calling for a counter train was "scum luring"? Wouldn't that make gruff in the red too since he was all about that when karot brought it up? #123 Gruff: kit's analysis was part conf. bias in the politest way possible, good to know? #128 Denja enters stage right with some random setup questions. #131 Gruff-->Karrot for being contradictory, coolio #135 Denja-->Karote blatant sheep, low-effort envelope push of a vote #136 Kit steps in and is all like nah fam, explain yourself, something I probably woulda done #137 Gruf makes it perfectly clear that both Shin and Karot are on his list, though he's obv going for karot. Uncertain of Shin? dw, I would be to with the way he was playing #139 Karote says Shin's accusation was a joke whil kit's was serious. good to know this slot's being taken seriously. Logic<--Shin #153 Karot mudslings Kota and Shad? Heat too much fam? #154 Gruff flip flops on Karote and then announces a brand-new neutral read on em! Hooray! Karote<--Denja #157 from Denja is p-terrible. Do I know what town [/i]truly[/i] does? I don't get this line of questioning at all??? #158 Denja: "I don't post a lot" scoff, something something, I've got a plan but I'm not going to tell ANY of you what it is something something. "Did I mention I'm town guyz?" #163 Kit proposes NL, SHUT IT DOWN: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2707177#p2707177 In total, we need that juicy (latent) info #166 from Gruff might not look like a bad idea from the get-go, but it's actully p-harmful for town if we save all out shots for the late game and here's why: what about the middle game? In order to check ourselves we have these tools that are essentially checkpoints almost in knowing if we're going in the right direction or failing in doing so, thus we really want to make the most out of each one, no? It's good to sperse them out over the course of the game so we can get the widest picture of who's actually getting lynched. #168 Gruf: "Denja's ideas and plan is dumb" but what is Denja's plan!!??!!?? OoooOoo #169 DenjaX said: Karote said: Either that or you fail again this time which I reckon similar things occurred before. xDDLmao. I also believe there are 4 mafias in this game. It fits perfectly with 3:1 ratio and everyone are vanillas. Anything less or more of that would be considered imbalanced in my book xDD #178 Denja: blah odds blah when do we use the searches guys? We've already got Kit and gruff working 24 hour shifts on that #180 Kit, -snip- see my comment on 166, spreadin them out best plan N/A #182 Logic wants lurkers lynched over a NL? That might be a step up but we still learn close to jack. #183 Kit is enlightened with the benefits of lynching? Hooray, problem worked itself out. #193 where are all these TvT dialogues Logic says he's seeing? #196 Why re you doing this in a mountainous game? What purpose does it serve? @ Denja #198 Ruu suspects Denja for meta reasons, as well as Karote? So they're introducing the prospect of bussing in the early game? Or more the "one could be town one could be scum, but don't know which" mentality? Ruu's had her vote on Denja since RVS... wuhh? #200 Denja, sq, what would a compromise lynch achieve at this stage in the game? This is actually more of a red flag for scum because no way should town be opting for any kind of comp. lynch this early in the game. #205 Ruu wants to meta Denja? Even though she said she's keeping her vote on him largely for meta, she's unfamiliar with his town meta? k #208 Gruff Knowledge bombs the shit out of Ruu's previous logic, doesn't feel like scum coaching, which is good. #209 Denja doesn't want to give a single town game to Ruu? That's just straight anti-town. If someone wants to put in the extra effort to go out of their way and try to cold-meta somebody, they're probably going to haul ass with their read on, and a good portion of the time, that work pays off. Why would Denja be impeding Ruu to develop a read on him? Wouldn't town!Denja be all for it? #210 Gruff: scumconfs Denja as a joke but that's just ironic man. #212 Kit Wifoms hard at the bottom of her post while she tries to predict scumkills. This is why town gets pocketed in the first place! In other words, I thinking this is actually a towntell on Kit's part b/c the logic she uses here is almost a slip that she's viewing the game solely from town perspective and wifoms trying to explain what she thinks the scum will do, ( b/c she doesn't know). #215 Denja denies Ruu, but digs for that old game just for Gruff's sake? Whatta sweet guy, def not an indication of playin favorites #226 Shin berates everyone for posting so much with a "u guys succk" then proceeds to fluff, how quaint. #227 Then Gruf smashes Kaito's face in with "Better than being in RVS!" dammnnn, is he gonna take that??? #229 Shin just straight up denies Gruff elaboration on his only scumread, mannnn, you left me with One of THOSE slots huh? #230 Rinto drops a list of inactive players then ducks out again... expecting... what? Something to make them active? #235 Shin TRs Karot??? Why did I do that me? #239 >something with Karote peaks shin's interest? excitement is a town tell for Karot? ...how? #246 Sq, finally a question worth asking, thank you previous slot owner. tingle and shad enter the game, but neither say anything that grabs my attention. #259 Phraze wants readslists from everybody? Where's yours? Also, is that a TL on Karot I spy? #275 Logic issues a "get the lurkers" revival when town really needs a "scumhunt" revival #278 Gruff has no scumreads? Nada? Everyone else aside from Logic and Kit are null? C'mon man. Ohh, wants more substance before making a list which I can completely understand, but no scumreads? #281 Chione comes in and throws some shade at Logic, WK Denja in the process. Where did her town read on Denja come from? #284 Logic gets riled and hammers chione with questions. #286 Logic tells Chione to go and read before questioning, kinda dismisses her in the process. Doesn't really strike me as vindicated townie so much as rude. #293 Kit agrees with chione about the no reply thing, which is cool, I guess #294 I disagree with Chione that the search party should be used N1, see that previous comment somewhere above At this time, I pretty much have Kit in my town book. That progression on Karot seemed natural and it had solid reasons at the base of the vote despite it being like page 3 #297 Logic --> Shione Vote seems kind of like a playstyle clash to me more than anything. I'm confused if Logic is getting ants in his pants from Chione calling his playstyle weird earlier, or actually thinks she's scum. Also, tf is this "lazy" stuff. #299 Chione--> Logic, where is she seeing all this stuff about Logic "butting in" everywhere and why is it indicative of him being scum? #303 Gotta agree with Chione here, where are these repeated questions even? #308 Togs enters with a bang and gives out a p-handy post of his current thoughts on the game. He tries to meta Logic a bit and comes up with a "tentative TR"? Nothin doing man. The rest is p-much meta I'm unfamiliar with or can't confirm. Wish there was more post related analysis. #311 Denja with hollow threats. Tf this actually rubbed me the wrong way. It's not like Denja to bully people into reading him town, plus that's just a scummy thing to do in general. #317 Denja tryna buy reads leaves a sour taste in my mouth. #319 tf is with this lazy stuff? #325 -snip- major playstyle clash, but Chione may have a point about him "butting in" as she calls it. I still want more elaboration on why she thinks its scum indicative tho. "Lel. I'm completely lost with you now. I thought our ways of thinking might be pretty close, but looks like it isn't after all." this has clash written all over it. Drop it guys, or it ain't TvT. #328 Denja--->Logic, not sure why Denja's taking sides with this as I'm inclined to think it's TvT at this point. #329 Kit defends logic with "his early posts are reactive instead of directive" anybody can fake a reactive post, all you have to do is wait for other people to post then post about their posts. #335 Gruff thinks TvT? He def gets town!Logic from it but I'm like the opposite and get town!Chione more. #345 Huge PbPa on Chione by Logic, I think Logic might be interpreting this "lazy" thing incorrectly. In my mind, it seems perfectly normal that town!Chione is asking similar questions as she catches up with the game. I don't think it's how you make it out to sound like Chione just coopy and pasted these questions from others instead of coming up with them originally as she was reading. Like, she probably does that thing as me where she writes her questions as she catches up, (see catchup). In conclusion tho, this is still probably a clash, which for the most part, is a bit NAI, but in this case I think it does seem more TvT than anything. #348 Boom, logic backs off saying it's TvT, but he also says his vote was for "something that wasn't anything scummy." Defintitely doesn't seem that way jusging by the heateed dialogue you guys just had. #349 Chione thinks he got the questions mixed up because their about completely different people. #353 Turns out, it was all one big misunderstanding!! hahaha #355 Chiopne--> tingle for pressure? #363Denja pulls a scumteam from somewhere down south: Togs, Logic, and Karote? Bruh, I know you just took your top scumreads and lumped them together. I aint seeing the connection XDDDDD #367 Gruff reads are nice, but where's the scum? . Busy . Work . #373 Kit takes some words outta my mouth #381 Ruu--> Karot 1st point on Denja is NAI, Second point Wifoms the shit outta his play, and neither of those answer why you voted for Karote. ??? #388 Bug take away from this is that kota doesn't think that Chione vs. Logic was a TvT, and his reasons a kinda circumstantial. Can he actually retouch upon why he thought this in the thread rn? that would be a pretty cool response to see when I read up to it #389 Denja's endless pasture of sheep, still bloodlusting for logic #393 Gruff: Why would Kit ever move her vote to inactives, that's gross man. Still think Kit's original vote on Karote was solid and it only lost steam b/c Karot's a lurksack interjector. -Kit stands firm with Karote lynch after being questioned by Gruff to switch P.o.a, good for her #410 Ruu gets to the meat of their Karote read, ennnh, it's not too too bad. #416 Kitt sense Karot's weakness and strikes straight for the jugular... ennnh, maybe not, but they do bring up good points about his lurksackiness post-train on him #421 Togs meta's the shit out of Kota and town leans him.... whhhyyyy?? too much meta man #429 Togs' logic on Rinto sits well with me, but going as far as to call it opportunistic? I dun think so #435 Phraze: "Karote, Denja, shad, and Luna are buddying up" yah, no #436 "Karote cares more about self preservation than solving the game" BY JOVE HE'S GOT IT #449 there's scum coaching and town coaching, it's definitely a thing cus he a scum. #461 Phraze, are there any other reasons to suspect Kota other than him being fluffy? #478 "I don't scumhunt D1 cuz I always Ml" no pain, no gain, also ur a liar #484 Karot roasts Kota, but no vote on him? I knew it!! #490 Kota-->Karote BLOOD #504 Logic has a reads list. TRs Togs which is interesting, also says Karot's a spy but where's the vote? #508 Chione--> Kota tryna counter with logic? Didn't you guys just have a family feud or something? #511 Denja accuses Gruff of setting him up for a NK? "bussing the town" isn't a thing man. #515 READS OR ROPE #533 Why is chione so hesitant on Karot and more confident on Kota? CLARIFICATION #540 Oh, ok, that's kind of cut and dry, no? #545 Kit drops it all and votes Kota... plot twist EOD BANTER Phraze-->shad????? So far at EoD my scumreads are looking like Denja, Karote, Ruu, and possibly Phraze. Denja's all over the place with sheeping and doing a lot of things that just aren't really productive to town, some of them even counter productive. He also backs people and sheeps at weird moments, for instance, during the Chione v. Logic fight there's like, no hesitation in taking a side and he immediately jumps on Logic. I don't like it man. I'm not sure I'm a fan to how Karot reacted to all the pressure on him today and Kit hounding him was a stellar thing b/c he's always so annoying to sort in the late game., Ruu didn't even push any of her reads at EoD like wtf, just kinda vote parked on Karote and stood in the background. I really didn't like that. Phraze is weird too b/c what was up with that switch just at EoD? it cost us a lynch and now any search we do N2 is just going to be going back to D1 except with a lynch. IMPORTANT QUESTION: Phraze, wtf was up with that last minute vote bullshittery yesterday? Final note, I'm only doing this for day one to help me sort my thoughts. Anything else I bring up I'll probably have questions on. That's about it, reading rest rn. Oh yeah, Fo's awesome and all, but the only thing I thought Togs was guilty of was using too much meta for his reads and not enough juicy post analysis, no? Which number's your vote? Still reading. |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:44 AM
#966
They seem to be very similar to mind. I would even say they seem a little on the safe side. The thing about Denja makes me smh because if you think I am town look at my interactions with Denja and how we both come away from them it should tell you something about us. We trust each other that is either because we have figured out that we are both town or we are one hell of a scum team. |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:45 AM
#967
logic340 said: LucianRoy said: Is there anyone you do believe to be town?DenjaX said: With the current state of the game, I would like to express my strategy for this game. I believe I this is my job as a type of player who likes being cryptic. I expect no less from town if they do not understand my message for them but you guys should not be worried at all. This is the kind of danger that I am attempting to do that could make or break the game. I thought that this will be a great strategy but I may find people complain about it later. This is such a good tool to segregate who the rats that are lurking and killing innocent people. We have to keep an eye on those who are paying close attention to this game whether or not they get this message. We cannot have everyone to resort to this kind of strategy but I am just pointing out that it is possible to do this. My idea alone cannot make this possible unless town can understand what I am trying to do. I trust that you guys will make use of this strategy for later. Any other option is welcomed by me if you guys can give me a different suggestion. If you are reading this, I will probably receive my death sentence. I am walking in a borrowed time and soon it will be over for me. I hope you guys can pick up where I left off when deemed necessary. Without it, we might just be left in the dark especially with all these inactives trying to ruin the fun. xDD In other words, we should lynch scum in order to win the game. One at a time. Swoosh, that's the sound of Denja's words going right over my head because I'm not understanding the point of anything he's saying. Yeah, Kit, Chione, and prolly Gruff. Maybe you too, still reading. |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:46 AM
#968
Gruffin said: Sorry but i see a frustrated town. My stance shall remain. CCL is what again? I was reffering to the time where he rolled scum in sketch and danganronpa mafia. @Logic340 I'm good with a Phraze or Togs lynch, but I prefer lynching Phaze over Togs since I seems he's appeared again and Shad's vote is looking a little...>-> Hmmm. I'll be sticking to this vote most likely. Rinto-kun said: Woah, no no no. I don't think I could stand this game any longer if we didn't lynch someone. Someone seriously needs to get lynched today or else we'll be no further than we were D1.No idea. Tbh it's more beneficial to us if we don't lynch and risk, but that's only if we're sure in our strategy or have considered any kind of strategy. So yeah, more town-killings will only work in mafia's favor so I'd rather have a minimal death toll. Though if it's inactives, I'd rather kill them. @GermanSpies please kill the inactive players, they ruin the game. ;_; -shad- said: Sudden defense of Phraze? I did not see frustrated town, I saw frustrated scum.Im honestly reading now and i can feel that phraze is just being a frustrated town right now as i got a feeling shes just being overall frustrated like stated in this post. here Denja i dont really trust him just yet, as i know he can be a formidable mafia if he is one which is why people tend to aim on him early. Sorry bruthur you know its true The reason why i only trusted denja in the idol mafia was because i know he was a town that game. This game speaks different as i do not know denja's role is for real. -shad- said: Interesting Phraze is the first one listed in your townreads. What made you feel so strongly that she is town?True you might be able to determine is action and behaviour, but i know how denja thinks 4 steps infront other players when his mafia. So im pretty sure he got that in check when he rolled with what he had with his actions that he choose to do. I believe for right now that you are town as well as chione and right now phraze as well. My town is - Phraze / Logic / Chione / Kit / Me Possible - Gruffin Neutral - Ruu Unknown - Soda / Lucian / Luna/ Pentaflare / Denjax Unable to read - Karote Possible scum - KOta Scum lean - Togs Its just that togs rubs me the wrong way with what his doing as he is so alike with his previous playstyle where he rolled scum. Ruu is neutral cause she havent post much inputs. So you are basing your Togs read on meta? His posting pattern is similar to CCL, no? Anything else that looks scummy to you other than that? Edit : By the way please dont mistaken, i put phraze first not because shes my first town read. Her name was the name pop up in my mind at the first. |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:47 AM
#969
-shad- said: Chione said: Great. Just wasted my time. -shad- said: logic340 said: -shad- said: I think if you look at this setup with Denja's actions you should be able to determine where his behavior (motivation) is coming from. Do you think I am town at this time? Do you trust any of my reads?logic340 said: Im honestly reading now and i can feel that phraze is just being a frustrated town right now as i got a feeling shes just being overall frustrated like stated in this post. -shad- said: logic340 said: @-shad- You were online 45 minutes ago you couldn't have checked into the thread while you were here? Edit: Typo Actually can you link me where the first fight happened between Denja and phraze the part where it started and stuff like that #714 - Phraze and Denja are talking about the lynch tie. [url=https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1576908&show=700#msg49001040]#716[url] - DenjaX responds to #714 and asks Phraze some questions. #720 - Phraze responds to the questions by saying she is not claiming #723 DenjaX's response to Phraze's answer #850 - Denja votes Phraze #880 - Denja asks me to join on Phraze vote #888 - Says she is not going to ruin Denja's plan calls it fluff Everything from here has pretty much been Denja vs. Phraze here Denja i dont really trust him just yet, as i know he can be a formidable mafia if he is one which is why people tend to aim on him early. Sorry bruthur you know its true The reason why i only trusted denja in the idol mafia was because i know he was a town that game. This game speaks different as i do not know denja's role is for real. Town: DenjaX, Logic340, Chione, Kit Possible town: Gruffin, Rinto-kun Complete unknown: Sodalicious_, LucianRoy, callmeLuna Neutral: Phraze, PentaFlare, Ruu I don't know if I'm neutral on then or scum: Karote, KOta Scum lean: Togs, -shad- True you might be able to determine is action and behaviour, but i know how denja thinks 4 steps infront other players when his mafia. So im pretty sure he got that in check when he rolled with what he had with his actions that he choose to do. I believe for right now that you are town as well as chione and right now phraze as well. My town is - Phraze / Logic / Chione / Kit / Me Possible - Gruffin Neutral - Ruu Unknown - Soda / Lucian / Luna/ Pentaflare / Denjax Unable to read - Karote Possible scum - KOta Scum lean - Togs Its just that togs rubs me the wrong way with what his doing as he is so alike with his previous playstyle where he rolled scum. Ruu is neutral cause she havent post much inputs. This reeks scum. Copy&paste, really? Copy from my initital read list? Yes. Copy from other people. No. Nice try : D Edit : Would you say im that retarded to do something like that when i have been scum once where i did the exact same thing which arrisu caught me from? lmao. Link me to your previous read list pls? All I saw from you was this. -shad- said: Mini list Logic & Chione - You both are my town reads. I believe your argument with him was just a town vs town effect like similarity to the one logic had over at friday the 13th. Togs - Quiet, but interesting read list. I want to know more of him as i know he can vanished as he is quite busy. Lulu - We all know that shes inactive. Denja - Meta or not, his dangerous as a player. Just keeping tabs on him This is not what I call a read list. And how exactly is Gruffin in your "possible" town section? Do you really think Phraze is more towny than he is? |
Dec 20, 2016 7:48 AM
#970
-shad- said: Yeah, I need a brand new catch phrase to shout at people. Good thing logic inspired me.LucianRoy said: PentaFlare said: I totally forgot about this. I just logged back into MAL after a couple days away so I just got all the notifications now. I'm so sorry. Starting to actually read this now. >.< LAZY! reminds me of pirates where you go AWFUL! LAZY ! |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:48 AM
#971
LucianRoy said: #820 - Questions for everyone and my vote on Togslogic340 said: LucianRoy said: LET'S DO THIS D1 everybody I tried to keep it as accurate as possible to original notes I took. I ran out of paper after I ran out of post-it notes, so no more real notes. I apologize for a lot of it being just recap for me personally and close reading so things you guys will probably find inconsequential, but if I took notes on it, then there's probably a reason I took notes for it, (much of it to see how it the thread plays out so I can go back and look at interactions if need be). And, indeed, some places I go back and interact with the notes I took previously, so try n keep up, k? Some of its even dialogue with shin b/c some of his play was pretty janky. And yeah, I know it's long, But I'm tryna make up for a game my slot maybe has 5 good posts in a set of almost 20 pages. I read and responded/analyzed/ questioned as I read, so I apologize if some of these have already been answered, a lot of the rest is just info and summary. Logic--> Luna Gruf-->Logic Shad-->Gruf Luna-->Shad Phraze-->Denja Shin-->Chione #17 Shin standing up for inactives, ha Karote-->Denja Ruu-->Denja Chione-->Kit #23 Chione pressures logic to back off luna? also, tf is that question, it's rvs #25 Karote wants a train, seems preh NAI to me, but dissuading early vote analysis in 26? not cool, never too soon to start! Gruffin clutches 27 and slams both shin and chione, niiicceeee Gruff gives chione some of her own medicine in #35, hand those questions right back man #40 Shin being a bum and dissuading early trains, c'mon man #41 Bruh, there is a direct counter to this argument, scum can literally hide on any wagon on town. Just because it's early doesn't mean trains are hands-off just because scum can be on them. Shit, we want that so we can oust them later, but no flips/search party jank make this difficult. #43 yeah, logic backing me up on this Phraze even backs this up too #46 Chione pushes on logic for having a vote on a person who's posted in the game and is active?? #47Karote being cautious in RVS, HA #50 Shin, wtf, throwing in the towel before the game's begun #52 Ruu's "Maybe we'll get lucky" comment almost as bad as shin's no train philosophy? Maybe? #53 Logic follows up with a good question pressuring Chione. (It's good because it's a trick q), logic knows my man Fo too, whatta legend amirite? Rinto --> Penta #67 Karote wants a counter-train and asks Gruffin to do it with him; why Gruffin? #68 Gruff supports the notion b/c he's town leaning Logic now, no? Guess he's out of RVS. #71 Rinto hates trains too? Where is all this hate coming from??? #72 Blah blah Logic calls for town cooperation in the early game banter banter #73 Shin continues jank D1 play by saying it's good to focus on multiple people, but then does nothing? whatta bum #75 Gruff: "I have no reason to poke you, just carry on with what you're doing :P" Duality? Buddying? Or does it read in context with the town lean he was forming posts before? #78 Shin hounds Phraze for sheeping his logic, but why? I thought Phraze was joking when he made that comment #80 Ok shin, when is it not too early to start a train? huh? At this point you're just impeding town shooting down those juicy wagons. #83 Kit--> Logic, you sure we aren't out of RVS yet? Rinot fluffs #85Gruff wants to see some kind of plan from shin to "ensure we lynch scum"? Sorry bud, if I had one of those this game would be too easy. #86 Gruff---> Shin and wants the yung wagon #88 Logic: "Hey guys, I'm not scum, did I mention I'm not scum?" logic--> Shin, sheeps Gruff and asks for reasons, bleh #90 gruff hands it right back to Logic #91 Kit's sus of Karote, claims he's warping words? #92 Logic says shin's posts are NAI for him, and backs it up with a bit o meta, but he is suspicious of Karote. #95 Kit confirms her suspicions on Karot Kit--> Karot, and quotes her reasons. Honestly, this is a pretty solid vote for being so early in the phase. Going after him for the contradiction looks golden, so is going after Karot for putting words in phraze's mouth Denja's first post: something something trump cards, DOESN'T HAVE A VOTE! SUSPICIOUS! #103 gruff: "Yeah, Karot or Shin train, take yer pick" Both are suspicious for him atm? #108 Togs-->Penta YEAH, lynch Penta!!! Denja-->Chione YEah, lynch chione b/c she's German!!! Gamesolved. #110 Karote responds to Kit's post and pins blame on her? #111 karote shrugs off Kit's vote denouncing it as RVS shite- total downplay man, why tho? #114 Kit implies Karote was one misrepping, not her, and even spells it out for Karot. #116 Logic backs up Kit and says Karot's mad sus oss. #119 Kit thinks calling for a counter train was "scum luring"? Wouldn't that make gruff in the red too since he was all about that when karot brought it up? #123 Gruff: kit's analysis was part conf. bias in the politest way possible, good to know? #128 Denja enters stage right with some random setup questions. #131 Gruff-->Karrot for being contradictory, coolio #135 Denja-->Karote blatant sheep, low-effort envelope push of a vote #136 Kit steps in and is all like nah fam, explain yourself, something I probably woulda done #137 Gruf makes it perfectly clear that both Shin and Karot are on his list, though he's obv going for karot. Uncertain of Shin? dw, I would be to with the way he was playing #139 Karote says Shin's accusation was a joke whil kit's was serious. good to know this slot's being taken seriously. Logic<--Shin #153 Karot mudslings Kota and Shad? Heat too much fam? #154 Gruff flip flops on Karote and then announces a brand-new neutral read on em! Hooray! Karote<--Denja #157 from Denja is p-terrible. Do I know what town [/i]truly[/i] does? I don't get this line of questioning at all??? #158 Denja: "I don't post a lot" scoff, something something, I've got a plan but I'm not going to tell ANY of you what it is something something. "Did I mention I'm town guyz?" #163 Kit proposes NL, SHUT IT DOWN: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2707177#p2707177 In total, we need that juicy (latent) info #166 from Gruff might not look like a bad idea from the get-go, but it's actully p-harmful for town if we save all out shots for the late game and here's why: what about the middle game? In order to check ourselves we have these tools that are essentially checkpoints almost in knowing if we're going in the right direction or failing in doing so, thus we really want to make the most out of each one, no? It's good to sperse them out over the course of the game so we can get the widest picture of who's actually getting lynched. #168 Gruf: "Denja's ideas and plan is dumb" but what is Denja's plan!!??!!?? OoooOoo #169 DenjaX said: Lmao.Karote said: Either that or you fail again this time which I reckon similar things occurred before. xDDLmao. I also believe there are 4 mafias in this game. It fits perfectly with 3:1 ratio and everyone are vanillas. Anything less or more of that would be considered imbalanced in my book xDD #178 Denja: blah odds blah when do we use the searches guys? We've already got Kit and gruff working 24 hour shifts on that #180 Kit, -snip- see my comment on 166, spreadin them out best plan N/A #182 Logic wants lurkers lynched over a NL? That might be a step up but we still learn close to jack. #183 Kit is enlightened with the benefits of lynching? Hooray, problem worked itself out. #193 where are all these TvT dialogues Logic says he's seeing? #196 Why re you doing this in a mountainous game? What purpose does it serve? @ Denja #198 Ruu suspects Denja for meta reasons, as well as Karote? So they're introducing the prospect of bussing in the early game? Or more the "one could be town one could be scum, but don't know which" mentality? Ruu's had her vote on Denja since RVS... wuhh? #200 Denja, sq, what would a compromise lynch achieve at this stage in the game? This is actually more of a red flag for scum because no way should town be opting for any kind of comp. lynch this early in the game. #205 Ruu wants to meta Denja? Even though she said she's keeping her vote on him largely for meta, she's unfamiliar with his town meta? k #208 Gruff Knowledge bombs the shit out of Ruu's previous logic, doesn't feel like scum coaching, which is good. #209 Denja doesn't want to give a single town game to Ruu? That's just straight anti-town. If someone wants to put in the extra effort to go out of their way and try to cold-meta somebody, they're probably going to haul ass with their read on, and a good portion of the time, that work pays off. Why would Denja be impeding Ruu to develop a read on him? Wouldn't town!Denja be all for it? #210 Gruff: scumconfs Denja as a joke but that's just ironic man. #212 Kit Wifoms hard at the bottom of her post while she tries to predict scumkills. This is why town gets pocketed in the first place! In other words, I thinking this is actually a towntell on Kit's part b/c the logic she uses here is almost a slip that she's viewing the game solely from town perspective and wifoms trying to explain what she thinks the scum will do, ( b/c she doesn't know). #215 Denja denies Ruu, but digs for that old game just for Gruff's sake? Whatta sweet guy, def not an indication of playin favorites #226 Shin berates everyone for posting so much with a "u guys succk" then proceeds to fluff, how quaint. #227 Then Gruf smashes Kaito's face in with "Better than being in RVS!" dammnnn, is he gonna take that??? #229 Shin just straight up denies Gruff elaboration on his only scumread, mannnn, you left me with One of THOSE slots huh? #230 Rinto drops a list of inactive players then ducks out again... expecting... what? Something to make them active? #235 Shin TRs Karot??? Why did I do that me? #239 >something with Karote peaks shin's interest? excitement is a town tell for Karot? ...how? #246 Sq, finally a question worth asking, thank you previous slot owner. tingle and shad enter the game, but neither say anything that grabs my attention. #259 Phraze wants readslists from everybody? Where's yours? Also, is that a TL on Karot I spy? #275 Logic issues a "get the lurkers" revival when town really needs a "scumhunt" revival #278 Gruff has no scumreads? Nada? Everyone else aside from Logic and Kit are null? C'mon man. Ohh, wants more substance before making a list which I can completely understand, but no scumreads? #281 Chione comes in and throws some shade at Logic, WK Denja in the process. Where did her town read on Denja come from? #284 Logic gets riled and hammers chione with questions. #286 Logic tells Chione to go and read before questioning, kinda dismisses her in the process. Doesn't really strike me as vindicated townie so much as rude. #293 Kit agrees with chione about the no reply thing, which is cool, I guess #294 I disagree with Chione that the search party should be used N1, see that previous comment somewhere above At this time, I pretty much have Kit in my town book. That progression on Karot seemed natural and it had solid reasons at the base of the vote despite it being like page 3 #297 Logic --> Shione Vote seems kind of like a playstyle clash to me more than anything. I'm confused if Logic is getting ants in his pants from Chione calling his playstyle weird earlier, or actually thinks she's scum. Also, tf is this "lazy" stuff. #299 Chione--> Logic, where is she seeing all this stuff about Logic "butting in" everywhere and why is it indicative of him being scum? #303 Gotta agree with Chione here, where are these repeated questions even? #308 Togs enters with a bang and gives out a p-handy post of his current thoughts on the game. He tries to meta Logic a bit and comes up with a "tentative TR"? Nothin doing man. The rest is p-much meta I'm unfamiliar with or can't confirm. Wish there was more post related analysis. #311 Denja with hollow threats. Tf this actually rubbed me the wrong way. It's not like Denja to bully people into reading him town, plus that's just a scummy thing to do in general. #317 Denja tryna buy reads leaves a sour taste in my mouth. #319 tf is with this lazy stuff? #325 -snip- major playstyle clash, but Chione may have a point about him "butting in" as she calls it. I still want more elaboration on why she thinks its scum indicative tho. "Lel. I'm completely lost with you now. I thought our ways of thinking might be pretty close, but looks like it isn't after all." this has clash written all over it. Drop it guys, or it ain't TvT. #328 Denja--->Logic, not sure why Denja's taking sides with this as I'm inclined to think it's TvT at this point. #329 Kit defends logic with "his early posts are reactive instead of directive" anybody can fake a reactive post, all you have to do is wait for other people to post then post about their posts. #335 Gruff thinks TvT? He def gets town!Logic from it but I'm like the opposite and get town!Chione more. #345 Huge PbPa on Chione by Logic, I think Logic might be interpreting this "lazy" thing incorrectly. In my mind, it seems perfectly normal that town!Chione is asking similar questions as she catches up with the game. I don't think it's how you make it out to sound like Chione just coopy and pasted these questions from others instead of coming up with them originally as she was reading. Like, she probably does that thing as me where she writes her questions as she catches up, (see catchup). In conclusion tho, this is still probably a clash, which for the most part, is a bit NAI, but in this case I think it does seem more TvT than anything. #348 Boom, logic backs off saying it's TvT, but he also says his vote was for "something that wasn't anything scummy." Defintitely doesn't seem that way jusging by the heateed dialogue you guys just had. #349 Chione thinks he got the questions mixed up because their about completely different people. #353 Turns out, it was all one big misunderstanding!! hahaha #355 Chiopne--> tingle for pressure? #363Denja pulls a scumteam from somewhere down south: Togs, Logic, and Karote? Bruh, I know you just took your top scumreads and lumped them together. I aint seeing the connection XDDDDD #367 Gruff reads are nice, but where's the scum? . Busy . Work . #373 Kit takes some words outta my mouth #381 Ruu--> Karot 1st point on Denja is NAI, Second point Wifoms the shit outta his play, and neither of those answer why you voted for Karote. ??? #388 Bug take away from this is that kota doesn't think that Chione vs. Logic was a TvT, and his reasons a kinda circumstantial. Can he actually retouch upon why he thought this in the thread rn? that would be a pretty cool response to see when I read up to it #389 Denja's endless pasture of sheep, still bloodlusting for logic #393 Gruff: Why would Kit ever move her vote to inactives, that's gross man. Still think Kit's original vote on Karote was solid and it only lost steam b/c Karot's a lurksack interjector. -Kit stands firm with Karote lynch after being questioned by Gruff to switch P.o.a, good for her #410 Ruu gets to the meat of their Karote read, ennnh, it's not too too bad. #416 Kitt sense Karot's weakness and strikes straight for the jugular... ennnh, maybe not, but they do bring up good points about his lurksackiness post-train on him #421 Togs meta's the shit out of Kota and town leans him.... whhhyyyy?? too much meta man #429 Togs' logic on Rinto sits well with me, but going as far as to call it opportunistic? I dun think so #435 Phraze: "Karote, Denja, shad, and Luna are buddying up" yah, no #436 "Karote cares more about self preservation than solving the game" BY JOVE HE'S GOT IT #449 there's scum coaching and town coaching, it's definitely a thing cus he a scum. #461 Phraze, are there any other reasons to suspect Kota other than him being fluffy? #478 "I don't scumhunt D1 cuz I always Ml" no pain, no gain, also ur a liar #484 Karot roasts Kota, but no vote on him? I knew it!! #490 Kota-->Karote BLOOD #504 Logic has a reads list. TRs Togs which is interesting, also says Karot's a spy but where's the vote? #508 Chione--> Kota tryna counter with logic? Didn't you guys just have a family feud or something? #511 Denja accuses Gruff of setting him up for a NK? "bussing the town" isn't a thing man. #515 READS OR ROPE #533 Why is chione so hesitant on Karot and more confident on Kota? CLARIFICATION #540 Oh, ok, that's kind of cut and dry, no? #545 Kit drops it all and votes Kota... plot twist EOD BANTER Phraze-->shad????? So far at EoD my scumreads are looking like Denja, Karote, Ruu, and possibly Phraze. Denja's all over the place with sheeping and doing a lot of things that just aren't really productive to town, some of them even counter productive. He also backs people and sheeps at weird moments, for instance, during the Chione v. Logic fight there's like, no hesitation in taking a side and he immediately jumps on Logic. I don't like it man. I'm not sure I'm a fan to how Karot reacted to all the pressure on him today and Kit hounding him was a stellar thing b/c he's always so annoying to sort in the late game., Ruu didn't even push any of her reads at EoD like wtf, just kinda vote parked on Karote and stood in the background. I really didn't like that. Phraze is weird too b/c what was up with that switch just at EoD? it cost us a lynch and now any search we do N2 is just going to be going back to D1 except with a lynch. IMPORTANT QUESTION: Phraze, wtf was up with that last minute vote bullshittery yesterday? Final note, I'm only doing this for day one to help me sort my thoughts. Anything else I bring up I'll probably have questions on. That's about it, reading rest rn. Oh yeah, Fo's awesome and all, but the only thing I thought Togs was guilty of was using too much meta for his reads and not enough juicy post analysis, no? Which number's your vote? Still reading. #824 - My write up on Togs giving more reasoning for the vote |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:49 AM
#972
-shad- said: ^ "Do you think I'd be that stupid to do that as scum" is a scummy argument. And Chione has a point, your reads are really safe again.Copy from my initital read list? Yes. Copy from other people. No. Nice try : D Edit : Would you say im that retarded to do something like that when i have been scum once where i did the exact same thing which arrisu caught me from? lmao. |
Dec 20, 2016 7:49 AM
#973
logic340 said: Not sure what exactly you’re scumreading me for. If it’s for inactivity that’s dumb because you know I can be plenty active as scum and it’s not like I’m actively avoiding the thread as part of a strategy I just haven’t been here. Togs: Togs -shad- logic340 Gruffin Kit PentaFlare Tingle KOtA callmeluna DenjaX Rinto-kun Ruu Phraze Chione Karote Shinichi-Kun Honestly looking at this it just feel safe. Gruffin me and Kit were all (imo) pretty easy to town read right off the bat. I will say that even given the way people feel about -shad- that even that read can be considered safe though it’s the one that stands out the most to me due to how I felt about –shad-‘s posting to that point. The 4 inactives make it easy for him since there is nothing to say about them. Shinichi is a player you can always easily say IDK what to think about him (and this is only my second time playing with him). Saying that scum could be in the non-colored section resonated with me at the time because it’s the same way I felt but I cannot look past the fact he townread –shad- out of all the people he could have town read at that time. #108 – RVS (??) PentaFlare “based on experience there's like a 75% chance this vote is correct anyways : P” reason given #265 – Shows up on my inactive list #307 – Chione pokes some of the inactive players (Togs, PentaFlare, and Tingle). #308 – Togs give his read list (7 minutes after Chione poked him) coincidence??? Also Kit got his own Category (??) #311 – DenjaX says if Togs is really town he should know Denja is town #313 – Says he is town doesn’t know if DenjaX is town #317 – Asks Togs to read his post to Kit #174 and he will see it #322 – Responds to #307 and #317 #325 – Chione is interested in Togs next move #330 – Gruffin explains how she feel about thing said in a Togs #308 (Neutral on Chi and comments on reads list) #338 – Gruffin asks Togs, DenjaX, and Kit about my interaction with Chione #339 – Kit responds to Togs #308 #351 – Gruffin mentions Togs could be considered inactive #355 – Chione questions how –shad’s cheery disposition warrants a townread #363 – DenjaX says “so it's Togs, logic, Karote scumteam. This is too easy. xDD” #367 – Togs neutral on Gruffin’s read list #399 – Togs neutral scum lean on Kit’s read list #403 – Interested in seeing why Kit scum reads Togs #414 – I say that I kind of believe Togs Proclamation of being town #415 – Gruffin asks Togs what he will do with his vote #419 – Kit’s scum read on Togs “He is rather inactive, when he got here he totally dismissed the idea of making catching up posts (participating in discussion that happened in the past) and even went as far as calling it scummy to do so. Posted only a reads list to make it look like he's actually doing something, then disappeared (I think he made a few more posts before disappearing). Over-emphasised the fact that he's finally town this time (he didn't do this at all in CCL). I think it shows you're rather conscious of how you're being read by others when you put "I'm town" in your reads lists, and it's also a rather subtle suggestion to make others town read you.” #422 – Is back after hiatus, he apologizes, answers some questions to Kit and Gruffin, says I seem to get into a lot of Town vs. Town, and give insight on KOta #425 – Kit is looking forward to seeing what Togs bring to the table with his town game (Sadly Kit didn’t get to see that before he did) #427 – Gruffin responds to #422 about Kota specifically #429 – Tries to explain his town read on -shad-, Says Rinto looks bad and says he will look into rinto #430 – Forgot about another game and leaves #434 – Kit directs Togs to #419 #438 – Kit is looking forward to what Togs has to say about Rinto #442 – Fluff from –shad- about being a flirt #470 – Phraze takes something Kit said about togs to mean keep an eye on him. #471 – Gruffin says Togs looks bad #473 – Gruffin doesn’t think Togs posts are very rich in content #497 – I talk about my two games with Togs #508 – Chione says “- I liked Togs' read list because it brings up some new interesting points(though some of them seem a bit off and not thought through) bt his unvote bugs me. I mean, srsly? What are you afraid of? @Togs” #509 – Chione says Togs should be interested in a train on –shad- and seems questions Togs town read on shad again #538 – Gruffin asks about a Togs lynch #546 – Kit doesn’t want to lynch him because he promised to be active. (That promise has not been kept) #551 – Chione would lynch Togs #560 – Gruffin saw more potential in a Karote lynch than a togs lynch #575 – Phraze says she wished Gruffin had brought lynching Togs up earlier she suspected Togs #580 – Gruffin says not much to go on with Togs #586 – Kit says Kit said: Gruffin said: logic340 said: I'd be okay with that.At this point I think would rather lynch an inactive. They have been the just detrimental to the security of the motherland imo. Gruffin said: I still say that even though this lynch was "easy", Karote's the best lynch option we have right now. Even if he's town, he's anti-town and that's better than lynching Togs who has more potential to help us out later or panic voting for someone random. change of heart? #589 – Guffin response to #586 is “pretty much” Everything past here is night chat regarding Togs but he hasn’t been back and wasn’t part of the night chat. I did 14 pages so it’s only page 15 and 16 (for now) if you guys want to look it over. In the first 6 pages Togs has an RVS vote and that is all. He hasn’t even been name in other players conversations to that point (300 posts). He is only mentioned in a couple of VC’s and being pinged in a question from DenjaX to all players. Page 7 Chione finally pokes Togs (#307 and he shows up shortly there-after in post #308 7 minutes later). He post is his read list (I will talk about this below) which felt pretty good at the time he put it out and also made his town proclamation. Upon further review this is where I really start to have to question Togs intent. Why make this about showing off his town game and not follow through on it? Was it to look townie as possible before disappearing back into the shadows? Was it to draw attention to himself in hopes of generating conversation? Or was it a truthful proclamation? He unvoted and never placed a vote back from what I can see (if I am wrong please let me know). Chione, Phraze, Gruffin, and Kit all saw Togs as scummy but didn’t vote for him for whatever reason. I honestly fell pretty good about the majority of these players being town. @Gruffin what made you change your mind on pushing a togs Lynch @Phraze if you felt Togs was scummy earlier why didn’t you put your vote on him @Chione had others moved on to Togs would you have joined them? So Tog’s has basically promised to show off his town game and has fallen short on said promise. Kit was waiting for it an not he will not be able to enjoy seeing it (at least from the world of the living). A lot of people were ready to move on Togs but for whatever reason it didn’t materialize. I would alomost say that he somehow survived the lynch seeing 4 people who were scattered across the two lead trains hone in on him the way they did. A little more trust and Togs would have been the consensus pick. Togs has been really under the radar the first 6 pages were mindblowing when I did this analysis. He’s made promises he hasn’t kept, he seems to be playing it a little safe , and he is quite inactive. His interactions with Kit also ring a bell IDK if it's a frame job by mafia or if Togs just felt comfortable with Kit but I would like others to look into their interactions and tell me what you think. About my poe list I am a process of elimination style player who focuses on finding town reads, maybe you haven’t seen it in games before but I would hardly say it’s weak especially since it was halfway through Day 1. You say safe but that is the nature of how my opinions are gonna look when you take a snapshot of my reads right as I get into the thread with a scumhunting mindset. Why is townreading Shad scummy, I happen to know him more as a person than most people here, or is it just because you don’t agree ? I emphasized the fact that I’m town because, dam you have no idea how badly I wanted to be town this game. The Sketch game and Higurashi weigh heavily on my heart and I just don’t want to deal with that again. |
Dec 20, 2016 7:50 AM
#974
logic340 said: They seem to be very similar to mind. I would even say they seem a little on the safe side. The thing about Denja makes me smh because if you think I am town look at my interactions with Denja and how we both come away from them it should tell you something about us. We trust each other that is either because we have figured out that we are both town or we are one hell of a scum team. Its just something about denja that i do not trust unless confirmed through power roles which are not bastardize because i got that same treatment before where he was actually scum and lied to me and won the game afterwards with his scum team Claire knows my pain alot when dealing with denja because i know why denja's a dangerous player xD |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:51 AM
#975
Yeah, I am reading Corpse Party mafia and I have no idea how Arrisu caught shad just by looking at his posts. LucianRoy said: Of course, you shouldn't be. If you understand it then I am doing it wrong. xDDSwoosh, that's the sound of Denja's words going right over my head because I'm not understanding the point of anything he's saying. |
Dec 20, 2016 7:51 AM
#976
-shad- said: Camp Crystal Lake? The game you hosted. :T Surely you remember that you modkilled a town Togs for inactivity.Sorry but i see a frustrated town. My stance shall remain. CCL is what again? I was reffering to the time where he rolled scum in sketch and danganronpa mafia. Edit : By the way please dont mistaken, i put phraze first not because shes my first town read. Her name was the name pop up in my mind at the first. |
Dec 20, 2016 7:51 AM
#977
Gruffin said: -shad- said: ^ "Do you think I'd be that stupid to do that as scum" is a scummy argument. And Chione has a point, your reads are really safe again.Copy from my initital read list? Yes. Copy from other people. No. Nice try : D Edit : Would you say im that retarded to do something like that when i have been scum once where i did the exact same thing which arrisu caught me from? lmao. Why would i repeat the same mistakes that i did twice? Would you do that as well after getting rekt hard? I believe not. If so you might have not understand me enough : D |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:52 AM
#978
@Everyone is Phraze a frustrated town or a Mafia? Same question in regards to Karote giving up the way they did end of D1? Personally I think I see a frustrated town in regards to Phraze. I have played 3 games with her now and while she can be difficult I have never felt that she was scummy. Even when my vote allowed for lynch lock in Hirugashi. I really want to avoid another situation like that and I think that getting everyone's POV on this one is going to be paramount. Phraze has been less active but that isn't indicative of scum to me. The one thing that does bother me is she wont trust me on my Denja read but that is kind of understandable. Town needs to come together right now more than ever so lets put hour heads together and make the best decision. We must lynch someone today!! |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:52 AM
#979
Gruffin said: -shad- said: Camp Crystal Lake? The game you hosted. :T Surely you remember that you modkilled a town Togs for inactivity.Sorry but i see a frustrated town. My stance shall remain. CCL is what again? I was reffering to the time where he rolled scum in sketch and danganronpa mafia. Edit : By the way please dont mistaken, i put phraze first not because shes my first town read. Her name was the name pop up in my mind at the first. I always call it friday the 13th mafia ._. sorry. I always call it as FT13 mafia xDDD |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:54 AM
#980
-shad- said: I always call it friday the 13th mafia ._. sorry. I always call it as FT13 mafia xDDD Gruffin said: So you are basing your Togs read on meta? His posting pattern is similar to CCL, no? Anything else that looks scummy to you other than that? |
Dec 20, 2016 7:54 AM
#981
logic340 said: Gruffin said: This is a really good post there could be many reasons so coming up with reasons for as many of them as we can may help us shed light on it. Basically everyone give there own point of view on it.Gruffin said: Yeah, not sure what happened there. I’d like to point out before we start analyzing Kit’s NK that there’s a variety of WIFOMy reasons they could have been killed so let’s be careful about it influencing our reads. Framing, making town doubt themselves, causing confusion, and all sorts of stuff I haven’t thought of could be reasons that Kit was killed. That or they actually were onto something, we just don’t know. Here's a good rule: don't use NKA. Problem solved. |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:54 AM
#982
-shad- said: If you did it again then said why would I repeat my mistake would it be a mistake or strategy at that point?Gruffin said: -shad- said: Copy from my initital read list? Yes. Copy from other people. No. Nice try : D Edit : Would you say im that retarded to do something like that when i have been scum once where i did the exact same thing which arrisu caught me from? lmao. Why would i repeat the same mistakes that i did twice? Would you do that as well after getting rekt hard? I believe not. If so you might have not understand me enough : D |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:55 AM
#983
Gruffin said: -shad- said: I always call it friday the 13th mafia ._. sorry. I always call it as FT13 mafia xDDD Gruffin said: So you are basing your Togs read on meta? His posting pattern is similar to CCL, no? Anything else that looks scummy to you other than that? No i wasnt basing on Friday the 13th . More of like im basing his game on PiratesMafia - in the scum chat. Danganronpa - where he kicked my ass as scum (eventhough i caught him as mafia.) and Sketch mafia (where his play was similar with this) |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:56 AM
#984
@-shad- Chione said: And how exactly is Gruffin in your "possible" town section? Do you really think Phraze is more towny than he is? Answer pls. |
Dec 20, 2016 7:58 AM
#985
Ok I’m game. @Togs Where is this town game you promised to show us? I got a strong town vibe off you early but that has slowly faded away. You promised something and you haven't seemed to keep your word on it. This is more a statement than a question ? Yeah I haven’t been in the thread so I haven’t really been playing.logic340 said: This is slightly confusing to read but are you asking who I’d like as scum mates ? If so I’d take Gruffin and Penta.logic340 said: also I could try to link you and shinichi through the early train thing which would probably have fallen apart at some point and in fact did rather quickly (you moved to Karote rather quickly). @Gruffin if I was to make a Sun team for you it would be. You, Shinichi-kun, -shad-, and Tingle/Sodalicious. I'd say you're the one with the burden of carrying the inactive scum team. I could try to make a case that you soft defended -shad- though you read him neutral. I understand there are a lot of pages and the replacements just checked in but giving both a pass gives both your team mates a, chance to figure out how to progress while still mingling among the other inactive players. Pretty weak but yeah just trying get a different view. I'll give you an answer from an outsider perspective then. Off the top of my head...Chione/Kit/Me? Kit and I have defended you the most and if you were scum I would argue that the Chione v Logic thing may have been scum theatre. Kit's dead town though, so also include any combination of inactives if you were carrying an inactive scumteam. I want your perspective if I'm scum and you are town. Though I'd be honored to be your scum partner after seeing your first game, I know that's not the case. We also know Kit is town so nix him. Of the remaining players based on my interactions who should you think could really be my team. I'll accept the explanation for me and Chione and an inactive but you and kit seem like weird (for lack of a better word) choices. Likewise, who would be my buddies if I were scum? Anyone else is free to answer this question as well. I honestly think I'd prefer it at this point. logic340 said: This is more a spurring into activity thing. When I’m done defending myself from imminent death I will resume my normal play.Who are the four most active living players up to now? Who among them is scum? What are your Comrades Who are the four least active living players up to now? Who among them is scum? Who are your Comrades? Of the seven in the middle who are the scum? Who are your Comrade? I would say there is likely one scum.in each category. Giving just names for your answer is fine but thinking about it critically and giving some support for your answer would be preferred. |
Dec 20, 2016 7:58 AM
#986
Togs said: -shad- said: You should refer to someone who was actually in that game then, like @Chione. Not to toot my own horn but I did a lot more than just "post 1 thing town" that game.Togs said: -shad- said: The Sketch game is the only one that comes to mind. Did you actually read that one ?@Togs I was referring to two games you landed as scum - one was pirates and the other was the time you landed as scum and post something really town and then you went inactive I read it somewhat when i wanted to take some stats of it. Shouldn't you be comparing to like, Danganronpa ? Welp. Don't compare Hidamari Sketch to this one. Sketch had, besides Angel Beats, the most hellish player base I've ever seen. It's a completely different mentality. |
Dec 20, 2016 7:58 AM
#987
-shad- said: You are overestimating me too much and you keep posting that I am dangerous all the time in almost every post you make about me.Its just something about denja that i do not trust unless confirmed through power roles which are not bastardize because i got that same treatment before where he was actually scum and lied to me and won the game afterwards with his scum team Claire knows my pain alot when dealing with denja because i know why denja's a dangerous player xD |
Dec 20, 2016 7:59 AM
#988
logic340 said: As a person, i take critiques and suggestions highly to furthur improve myself as a player. I will always try to improve myself by not following the things that i have been killed for over my past games.-shad- said: If you did it again then said why would I repeat my mistake would it be a mistake or strategy at that point?Gruffin said: -shad- said: ^ "Do you think I'd be that stupid to do that as scum" is a scummy argument. And Chione has a point, your reads are really safe again.Copy from my initital read list? Yes. Copy from other people. No. Nice try : D Edit : Would you say im that retarded to do something like that when i have been scum once where i did the exact same thing which arrisu caught me from? lmao. Why would i repeat the same mistakes that i did twice? Would you do that as well after getting rekt hard? I believe not. If so you might have not understand me enough : D Take my hosting for example, I will always try my best to give the questions so that i can take that in and improve myself as a host as im vying for a game without any difficulties in hosting one day and my play in mafia represents that as well. In my gaming making job, i do the same, i will try not to repeat the mistakes i did as i would view them as my mistakes and will try to change that during my next time. |
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Dec 20, 2016 7:59 AM
#989
DenjaX said: -shad- said: You are overestimating me too much and you keep posting that I am dangerous all the time in almost every post you make about me.Its just something about denja that i do not trust unless confirmed through power roles which are not bastardize because i got that same treatment before where he was actually scum and lied to me and won the game afterwards with his scum team Claire knows my pain alot when dealing with denja because i know why denja's a dangerous player xD Because you are. |
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Dec 20, 2016 8:00 AM
#990
KOtA said: missed me unfortunately people read my play style as scummy , but i cant change it tbh and also by saying "i'm townie and i dont have to prove anything" that doesn't help me or help in the game in anyway i'd like to say that the no lynch night happened 80% bc of votes error , so i dont think we can get much info from it , doesn't make karote innocent to me , but i have to move on i wanted to go after shad , bc of him being stuck on getting luna to join in , but he moved on so i dont see a reason to go after him i'd agree with that kit might've got killed bc of something he said , but also for some reason i find something chione said might have brought him into the light for the spies (i might be mistaken) i had lots of ideas in my mind that i overwrote some of them my idea of the game is that , looking at d1 , most people ended up focusing on 2 targets , which might've casted others aside , and the no lynch made us lose a townie , but i'd say d2 we should have less random vote and more idea of how people act and react to being questioned (the active people at least) and again i'm going to hold of on voting , and this time i'll make sure it doesn't look like OMGUS , or a sheep vote Is it just me, or does Kota sound like he's reeling back his play after yesterday and is becoming more self-conscious, or nah? |
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Dec 20, 2016 8:01 AM
#991
Dec 20, 2016 8:02 AM
#992
-shad- said: I think what Gruffin is asking is, are you considering my town games as well. You have yet to explain in one single way how my play is similar to Pirates or Dango because it’s completely different (yeah I know self meta analysis is bad and all that jazz but this is really obvious). If you want to compare my meta to the Sketch game, I challenge you to provide a direct comparison with quotes.Gruffin said: -shad- said: I always call it friday the 13th mafia ._. sorry. I always call it as FT13 mafia xDDD Gruffin said: So you are basing your Togs read on meta? His posting pattern is similar to CCL, no? Anything else that looks scummy to you other than that? No i wasnt basing on Friday the 13th . More of like im basing his game on PiratesMafia - in the scum chat. Danganronpa - where he kicked my ass as scum (eventhough i caught him as mafia.) and Sketch mafia (where his play was similar with this) |
Dec 20, 2016 8:02 AM
#993
Chione said: @-shad- Chione said: And how exactly is Gruffin in your "possible" town section? Do you really think Phraze is more towny than he is? Answer pls. She reminds me of my playstyle back when i first started as a town. I was frustrated and her play this time with what happened with denja is reminding me of that play i did. if u have doubts about me, pls find it in another way claims+antimechanic setup=solution?? srsly? This was the quote that reminds me of what i used to say as town. Though i know that people has advised me not to do this but to convince rather than saying things like this It reminds me of a town who is close to giving up which i did in Magi mafia if you remembered.Kinda remembered cause i thought scum was calling me a bad word : D. |
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Dec 20, 2016 8:02 AM
#994
Togs said: The one town game I played with you I tunneled hard but you were being used by the Mafia. So I really have no meta to go on other than you were active as mafia and inactive as town in the two games I have played with you. If I go by that then you are town, but I have to go by behavior. To come out and say you are going to do something then not do it is scummy imo (not the strongest evidence but what have you really given me to go off of?). The read list seems safe which you can agree with and I can agree it is also not that strong in regards to evidence. It's the sum of allt he little things that leads me to see you as my lead suspect. With Penta and Sodalicious they have posted nothing in comparison to you so how do I vote for one of them callmeLuna or Lucian over you? I have more to go on with you than them? Rinto-Kun, Gruffin are possible town for me wont be voting them right now. Phraze due to the way she answered the questions at first rose a red flag I am still not sold on her beign town which is why she is in the neutral. KOta and Karote I'd like to see what some others think as I haven't been able to make heads or tails of it myself. DenjaX and Chione are my strongest town reads so I wont be voting them right now either. By process of elimination (as you like to use) that pretty much leaves you and/or -shad-.logic340 said: Not sure what exactly you’re scumreading me for. If it’s for inactivity that’s dumb because you know I can be plenty active as scum and it’s not like I’m actively avoiding the thread as part of a strategy I just haven’t been here. Togs: Togs -shad- logic340 Gruffin Kit PentaFlare Tingle KOtA callmeluna DenjaX Rinto-kun Ruu Phraze Chione Karote Shinichi-Kun Honestly looking at this it just feel safe. Gruffin me and Kit were all (imo) pretty easy to town read right off the bat. I will say that even given the way people feel about -shad- that even that read can be considered safe though it’s the one that stands out the most to me due to how I felt about –shad-‘s posting to that point. The 4 inactives make it easy for him since there is nothing to say about them. Shinichi is a player you can always easily say IDK what to think about him (and this is only my second time playing with him). Saying that scum could be in the non-colored section resonated with me at the time because it’s the same way I felt but I cannot look past the fact he townread –shad- out of all the people he could have town read at that time. #108 – RVS (??) PentaFlare “based on experience there's like a 75% chance this vote is correct anyways : P” reason given #265 – Shows up on my inactive list #307 – Chione pokes some of the inactive players (Togs, PentaFlare, and Tingle). #308 – Togs give his read list (7 minutes after Chione poked him) coincidence??? Also Kit got his own Category (??) #311 – DenjaX says if Togs is really town he should know Denja is town #313 – Says he is town doesn’t know if DenjaX is town #317 – Asks Togs to read his post to Kit #174 and he will see it #322 – Responds to #307 and #317 #325 – Chione is interested in Togs next move #330 – Gruffin explains how she feel about thing said in a Togs #308 (Neutral on Chi and comments on reads list) #338 – Gruffin asks Togs, DenjaX, and Kit about my interaction with Chione #339 – Kit responds to Togs #308 #351 – Gruffin mentions Togs could be considered inactive #355 – Chione questions how –shad’s cheery disposition warrants a townread #363 – DenjaX says “so it's Togs, logic, Karote scumteam. This is too easy. xDD” #367 – Togs neutral on Gruffin’s read list #399 – Togs neutral scum lean on Kit’s read list #403 – Interested in seeing why Kit scum reads Togs #414 – I say that I kind of believe Togs Proclamation of being town #415 – Gruffin asks Togs what he will do with his vote #419 – Kit’s scum read on Togs “He is rather inactive, when he got here he totally dismissed the idea of making catching up posts (participating in discussion that happened in the past) and even went as far as calling it scummy to do so. Posted only a reads list to make it look like he's actually doing something, then disappeared (I think he made a few more posts before disappearing). Over-emphasised the fact that he's finally town this time (he didn't do this at all in CCL). I think it shows you're rather conscious of how you're being read by others when you put "I'm town" in your reads lists, and it's also a rather subtle suggestion to make others town read you.” #422 – Is back after hiatus, he apologizes, answers some questions to Kit and Gruffin, says I seem to get into a lot of Town vs. Town, and give insight on KOta #425 – Kit is looking forward to seeing what Togs bring to the table with his town game (Sadly Kit didn’t get to see that before he did) #427 – Gruffin responds to #422 about Kota specifically #429 – Tries to explain his town read on -shad-, Says Rinto looks bad and says he will look into rinto #430 – Forgot about another game and leaves #434 – Kit directs Togs to #419 #438 – Kit is looking forward to what Togs has to say about Rinto #442 – Fluff from –shad- about being a flirt #470 – Phraze takes something Kit said about togs to mean keep an eye on him. #471 – Gruffin says Togs looks bad #473 – Gruffin doesn’t think Togs posts are very rich in content #497 – I talk about my two games with Togs #508 – Chione says “- I liked Togs' read list because it brings up some new interesting points(though some of them seem a bit off and not thought through) bt his unvote bugs me. I mean, srsly? What are you afraid of? @Togs” #509 – Chione says Togs should be interested in a train on –shad- and seems questions Togs town read on shad again #538 – Gruffin asks about a Togs lynch #546 – Kit doesn’t want to lynch him because he promised to be active. (That promise has not been kept) #551 – Chione would lynch Togs #560 – Gruffin saw more potential in a Karote lynch than a togs lynch #575 – Phraze says she wished Gruffin had brought lynching Togs up earlier she suspected Togs #580 – Gruffin says not much to go on with Togs #586 – Kit says Kit said: Gruffin said: Vlogic340 said: I'd be okay with that.At this point I think would rather lynch an inactive. They have been the just detrimental to the security of the motherland imo. Gruffin said: I still say that even though this lynch was "easy", Karote's the best lynch option we have right now. Even if he's town, he's anti-town and that's better than lynching Togs who has more potential to help us out later or panic voting for someone random. change of heart? #589 – Guffin response to #586 is “pretty much” Everything past here is night chat regarding Togs but he hasn’t been back and wasn’t part of the night chat. I did 14 pages so it’s only page 15 and 16 (for now) if you guys want to look it over. In the first 6 pages Togs has an RVS vote and that is all. He hasn’t even been name in other players conversations to that point (300 posts). He is only mentioned in a couple of VC’s and being pinged in a question from DenjaX to all players. Page 7 Chione finally pokes Togs (#307 and he shows up shortly there-after in post #308 7 minutes later). He post is his read list (I will talk about this below) which felt pretty good at the time he put it out and also made his town proclamation. Upon further review this is where I really start to have to question Togs intent. Why make this about showing off his town game and not follow through on it? Was it to look townie as possible before disappearing back into the shadows? Was it to draw attention to himself in hopes of generating conversation? Or was it a truthful proclamation? He unvoted and never placed a vote back from what I can see (if I am wrong please let me know). Chione, Phraze, Gruffin, and Kit all saw Togs as scummy but didn’t vote for him for whatever reason. I honestly fell pretty good about the majority of these players being town. @Gruffin what made you change your mind on pushing a togs Lynch @Phraze if you felt Togs was scummy earlier why didn’t you put your vote on him @Chione had others moved on to Togs would you have joined them? So Tog’s has basically promised to show off his town game and has fallen short on said promise. Kit was waiting for it an not he will not be able to enjoy seeing it (at least from the world of the living). A lot of people were ready to move on Togs but for whatever reason it didn’t materialize. I would alomost say that he somehow survived the lynch seeing 4 people who were scattered across the two lead trains hone in on him the way they did. A little more trust and Togs would have been the consensus pick. Togs has been really under the radar the first 6 pages were mindblowing when I did this analysis. He’s made promises he hasn’t kept, he seems to be playing it a little safe , and he is quite inactive. His interactions with Kit also ring a bell IDK if it's a frame job by mafia or if Togs just felt comfortable with Kit but I would like others to look into their interactions and tell me what you think. About my poe list I am a process of elimination style player who focuses on finding town reads, maybe you haven’t seen it in games before but I would hardly say it’s weak especially since it was halfway through Day 1. You say safe but that is the nature of how my opinions are gonna look when you take a snapshot of my reads right as I get into the thread with a scumhunting mindset. Why is townreading Shad scummy, I happen to know him more as a person than most people here, or is it just because you don’t agree ? I emphasized the fact that I’m town because, dam you have no idea how badly I wanted to be town this game. The Sketch game and Higurashi weigh heavily on my heart and I just don’t want to deal with that again. |
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Dec 20, 2016 8:03 AM
#995
How should u test me? |
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Dec 20, 2016 8:04 AM
#996
Ok with all this comments going in im having a hard time to type it with my phone please slow down or ill get a headache holy shit D: |
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Dec 20, 2016 8:04 AM
#997
-shad- said: Chione said: @-shad- Chione said: And how exactly is Gruffin in your "possible" town section? Do you really think Phraze is more towny than he is? Answer pls. She reminds me of my playstyle back when i first started as a town. I was frustrated and her play this time with what happened with denja is reminding me of that play i did. if u have doubts about me, pls find it in another way claims+antimechanic setup=solution?? srsly? This was the quote that reminds me of what i used to say as town. Though i know that people has advised me not to do this but to convince rather than saying things like this It reminds me of a town who is close to giving up which i did in Magi mafia if you remembered.Kinda remembered cause i thought scum was calling me a bad word : D. This still doesn't answer my first question about Gruffin in possible town. |
Dec 20, 2016 8:05 AM
#998
Rinto-kun said: @Shinichi-kun @Togs @callmeLuna @Phraze @Ruu where are you? I guarantee there is at least 1 scum in this pool. Shinichi acted kind of town-ish D1, Phraze said something scum-ish(not sure) and Ruu didn't do anything from what I remember. The others haven't even responded at all. @Astros When will we have the uncooperative members of our Union expelled and sent to Gulag? How long will "Rinto vs. Inactives" be a reoccurring theme? I better find some meaty votes or reads in these next posts, because a lot of your play thus far has been focusing on people who aren't even here. |
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Dec 20, 2016 8:05 AM
#999
@logic340 Town: DenjaX, Logic340, Chione, Kit Denja actually got a townread. wow.Possible town: Gruffin, Rinto-kun Complete unknown: Sodalicious_, LucianRoy, callmeLuna Neutral: Phraze, PentaFlare, Ruu I don't know if I'm neutral on then or scum: Karote, KOta Scum lean: Togs, -shad- @-shad- Im honestly reading now and i can feel that phraze is just being a frustrated town right now as i got a feeling shes just being overall frustrated like stated in this post. My town is - Phraze / Logic / Chione / Kit / Me Possible - Gruffin Neutral - Ruu Unknown - Soda / Lucian / Luna/ Pentaflare / Denjax Unable to read - Karote Possible scum - KOta Scum lean - Togs By the way please dont mistaken, i put phraze first not because shes my first town read. Her name was the name pop up in my mind at the first. I'm creeped =.="@Gruffin Sudden defense of Phraze? I did not see frustrated town, I saw frustrated scum. I was not frustrated in any way? o.o; tho insulted yes ofc like I said, be my guest. I have been generous despite being the scary player I am, there's something if u look hard enough. in fact, we're going through How To Read Phraze lessons. |
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