Yuri!!! on Ice Episode 7 Discussion

Charcanis said:
I read an interview of Junichi Suwabe (VA of Viktor) that the kiss scene was intentionally cut like that to make it pass censorship laws...Yuri on Ice is apparently broadcast in the daytime in Japan, so even this kind of content is a bit controversial (in their eyes I guess).

Make of that what you will ;)

Charcanis said:
I read an interview of Junichi Suwabe (VA of Viktor) that the kiss scene was intentionally cut like that to make it pass censorship laws...Yuri on Ice is apparently broadcast in the daytime in Japan, so even this kind of content is a bit controversial (in their eyes I guess).

Charcanis said:
I read an interview of Junichi Suwabe (VA of Viktor) that the kiss scene was intentionally cut like that to make it pass censorship laws...Yuri on Ice is apparently broadcast in the daytime in Japan, so even this kind of content is a bit controversial (in their eyes I guess).

Make of that what you will ;)

Maidenaya said:


Kiss was confirmed :) But the only thing is I keep hearing various times about the show. I thought it aired at 4:00 am so they don't have to worry about the censor. I still think it is the creator having fun with not showing us a zoomed close up.

Charcanis said:
I read an interview of Junichi Suwabe (VA of Viktor) that the kiss scene was intentionally cut like that to make it pass censorship laws...Yuri on Ice is apparently broadcast in the daytime in Japan, so even this kind of content is a bit controversial (in their eyes I guess).

Make of that what you will ;)

fillings said:
AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS THAT THEY DIDN'T KISS AND IT WAS A HUG!??!!?
PLUS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SO MANY PEOPLE ARE EXCITED OVER THIS EPISODE IT DISAPPOINTED ME... IF UR INTO THAT READ YAOI.

Charcanis said:
I read an interview of Junichi Suwabe (VA of Viktor) that the kiss scene was intentionally cut like that to make it pass censorship laws...Yuri on Ice is apparently broadcast in the daytime in Japan, so even this kind of content is a bit controversial (in their eyes I guess).

Make of that what you will ;)

Charcanis said:
I read an interview of Junichi Suwabe (VA of Viktor) that the kiss scene was intentionally cut like that to make it pass censorship laws...Yuri on Ice is apparently broadcast in the daytime in Japan, so even this kind of content is a bit controversial (in their eyes I guess).

Make of that what you will ;)

weebna said:
Amazing episode once again.

I liked that Yuuri didn't get the first place because even though he is my favorite, Phichit performance didn't have any fall like Yuuri but of course Yuuri's perfomance was better than the others so second place had to go to him.

This was such an emotional part..... Poor Yuuri! But I'm glad everything ended up being fine and we even got a "kiss" .......... I mean, like I said before Im not a fan of yaoi or shounen ai but if you're gonna put them kissing at least let us see it properly hahah

Helenus said:
I assume this "kiss" will join the anime hall of fame as the "most debated over 'kiss' in history".

Btw I think Yuri's emotional outburst was far more impressing than the so called 'kiss'.

scarredfiend said:


https://twitter.com/kubo_3260/status/798945769747120133

kubo confirmed it was a kiss, lmao btfo. the only people still debating this are the annoying contrarians here.

Helenus said:


She didn't. I read her statement (the translated part at least). And she didn't say expressis verbis that it was a kiss. She made an analogy to a show she watches (were somebody kissed). Nothing more. Nothing less.

And btw: at least show the courtesy to translate twitter posts you refer to. Thanks.

scarredfiend said:


"Is it just me or something synchronized with Nigehaji this week?"

dude, she is literally alluring to the kiss on the show she works on. i mean why refer to a kiss on another show just for shits and giggles? some people are so hardheaded it's funny LOL. next time you try to find your own translation, i'm not gonna spoonfeed you anymore.

Helenus said:


Since you are the one, who obviously is on a mission to convince me, I don't see it as my obligation to translate your 'proofs'(or to even open the twitter page).

Well, I'm eagerly awaiting the next spoon of tasty 'evidence'. Keep them coming, Okasan.

scarredfiend said:


"Well, I'm eagerly awaiting the next spoon of tasty 'evidence'. Keep them coming, Okasan."

no, you're actually blatantly ignoring actual proof. some people just love to live in denial.

Helenus said:


How is this actual proof? A person, who happens to be the director of YoI, made a post on Twitter. Did she make this comment in her official finction as director and member of the production team? I do not think so. It was a comment made as a private person. I would assume official statements would be published on the shows website.

And the content of the post? She wrote 'something' was synchronized with this one Tv show with the kissing MCs. Did she ever specifiy what she was refering to with this 'something'? No. It is highly plausible that she meant the show she is currently working on? Yes. But plausibilies aren't absolute.

Imho she adapted the style of YoI well. Tease a lot but remain uncertain and vague. It was a big tease. I am sure she sits in her office and laughs about the uproar she caused with her tweet.

scarredfiend said:


yes, that "something" is the work she is currently working on right now. it's pretty damn obvious. it all just adds up, from their relationship in the show, how the kiss was set up frame per frame, then add kubos comment. you'd have to be pretty thick to think they didn't kiss.

scarredfiend said:


yes, that "something" is the work she is currently working on right now. it's pretty damn obvious. it all just adds up, from their relationship in the show, how the kiss was set up frame per frame, then add kubos comment. you'd have to be pretty thick to think they didn't kiss.

Frigyesur said:

Yeah, Viktor is playful and Yuuri constantly rejects him (rejects the kisses, the boyfriend-thing, no matter the fangirls say, that's the truth)

Thess said:


You're misunderstanding Yuuri's characterization terribly. I don't know, it's so simple too. Yuuri never rejected Viktor. He refuses his offers when Viktor volunteers out of pity or sympathy or to "calm him down." It's like if someone you love offers to sleep with you because they feel bad about you and wants you to feel better, you don't want that. You want them to be with you because they desire you too. I suppose this flies over your head. Of course Yuuri was hurt too. He realized Viktor is a dumbass with emotional intimacy.

He was happy after the kiss. He didn't want Viktor to kiss him to 'calm him down' as if that was an obligation. This doesn't mean he didn't want to kiss him as he was happy and bashful in the aftermath. Likewise, he didn't want Viktor to ACT like his lover as a play believe because it'll make him feel good. He wants Viktor to be himself and never leave him. He wants Viktor's love as well and thinks he has it which was explicitly laid it out to the audience.

In case this is sooo hard to grasp, Yuuri needs a romantic or pseudo-romantic relationship that teaches him to be confident with his sensuality and makes him mature (less jumpy about intimacy in a physical sense). This is tied in with his role as skater. That's why Viktor even brought up if he had a lover before and to think about one when he skates (and he thinks of Viktor). Viktor needs one because he fails in the emotional intimacy side. He's all physicality, but the lack of attachment he has makes his performances limited (he cannot pour his emotions like Georgi or Yuuri do). This is tie in with his grow as coach or as a skater (depending what he'll decide to do once the season is over).

This has zero to do with fanservice or 'baiting'. It's rooted into the character arcs of the main characters if you exercise one braincell or look up homosocial relationships in Ancient Greece model and it's what they have going on. They have to be in a romantic relationship of sorts (this doesn't mean dating, by the way) because their development, as presented in the show, showcases the issue with both of them is their failed romantic lives: Yuuri because he never had a lover, and Viktor because he's too casual with his flings. It's not about their families or friends, but it singled out their romantic lives. Chris is a 'shadow' archetype of what Viktor could become if he doesn't find any attachment with anyone: he's pretty much er oversexualized but only attached to the ice rink.

Note this doesn't mean they'll get married and adopt kids or some nonsense like this. It's a sports anime, their relationship is a way for them to mature as sportsmen first and foremost.

Frigyesur said:
Nope, I don't think so, just face the truth: if Yuuri was into Viktor in sexual way, he would act differently.
If my lover wants to console me, I let him. Not through sex but you know, hugging, small kissing. that's normal between lovers.

Of course he was happy. Did you watch the show? He made a freakin' big improvement during his performance. Even if Viktor kissed him (he didn't), he did it because of this. Not because of 'Yuuri, I wanted to put my lips on yours in front of the cameras.

I think you bit overanalysed it by the ancient Greek part.... Having no girlfriend (emphasize the girl, because he thought of that) 'til age 23... well it's an issue but it has nothing to do with this topic.

Thess said:


Uh, no. He would act this way. If the one he loves tells him "hey I can pretend to be your lover if that makes you feel better!" he wouldn't take the offer. Likewise if he said "Hey I'll kiss you if you cry because I have no idea what else to do." You don't get it. This is tied with Viktor's growth to be beyond the superficial touches and sexual flirting as if that would magically fix Yuuri's anxiety. Viktor's attempts of comfort are portrayed as shallow, in other words, not getting what people needed to be comforted in these situations. It's a learning experience for Viktor.

Yuuri let Viktor handled him physically, make him stop listening, for example. He didn't want him to make pity offers because it's offensive. He didn't understand that what Yuuri wanted was his trust because he was afraid to make him (Viktor) an embarrassment. At that moment, hugs and kisses for obligation were offensive when he messed up in what he said.



He stared longingly into Viktor's eyes and ignored the audience. He sought Viktor first, and ignored his audience, ran toward him in unision. Are you blind or are you going to overwrite Yuuri's actions? He was happy with Viktor's SURPRISE. He smiled answering to Viktor who wanted to surprise him with something as pleasant as what Yuuri surprised him with. He approved. Or his reaction would have been negative and it wasn't.

Maybe human interaction eludes you that you remove the context of the situation and what responds to what?



The word used always is 恋人. Lover. Gender neutral. Asking for Yuuri's love life, speaking of his (Viktor's) is always gender neutral. This is the label throw around and always in gender neutral. It's fine if you ignored this because the horrible subtitles completely butcher something that was originally ambiguous. Like they made up and butchered Yuri's love speech (which by the way, never said his love wasn't romantic, only it wasn't infatuation). He even implies he never felt it before so his feelings for Yuuko were just infatuation and what he feels for Viktor is actual love. Food for thought. He was even thinking about Viktor when he skated for 'her'. Shouldn't come as a surprise. Where are his Yuuko pictures in his room? All I see are Viktor's posters, some aren't even about skating. Even a framed picture of the guy. Look at his mother's face. She wasn't even surprised of the kiss, she even looked beaming in joy. A mother knows. She's the one who probably cleaned and tidied his Viktor shrine every day. There's a line between admiration and those creepy fangirl's shrines to their husbandos, Yuuri crossed it. In a way, this show is also a very wish-fulfilment fantasy arc taken from shoujo. Only with a guy as protagonist instead of a girl.

Anyway, maybe nobody will be arguing about the kiss if the subbers actually were competent in translating this there wouldn't be so much shock and denial. Looking in Kubo's twitter's replies, they are all congratulating YoI for the kiss scene.

AsianSenpai said:
Any other people out there who think they just hugged?

Frigyesur said:
Since the moderator secondly warned us and I'm a pretty good girl who don't want to go against it :)), I will be brief and try to be milder:
1. I never said there aren't signs in the show. I said they are more like baiting. They let everyone interpret them by their own fantasies on purpose. But the more we argue about it, the more I think it's just baiting. Because everyone can only come up just indirect evidences.
2. There was an argument earlier about the Twitter-post. I'm not convinced. Not by she(?) said vaguely 'something' which was 'interpreted by this way'.
3. The girlfriend thing was my mistake.
4. Yuuri admired, admires Viktor. He is his idol, it's quite common that fans put posters in their room.
5. Yuuko or anyone else has nothing to do with their relationship! You can't justify 2 people relationships with a third one.
6. I get it. You say that Viktor just flirts with him and Yuuri wants more. According to you. According to me Viktor flirts with him by nature and I don't see any evidence that Yuuri is bothered by it because he wants deep love from him. He wants to acknowledge him. As a skater.