Tales of Zestiria the X Episode 10 Discussion

glutton said:


If we're talking gameplay Alisha rejoins the party for a bit near the end of the game and can still hang with Sorey and co. except for not being able to armatize, in the DLC she fights alongside postgame Rose and STILL hangs if not quite matching Rose due to her broken moves lol.

DragonSlayer_19 said:


Lol yes she does rejoin , but again only for a very little while and 2 battles if my memory recalls (against the guards and can't spoil the other one for rest watching) . I didn't get the dlc tbh

glutton said:


Well you can also run around and fight non story-important battles, you can even hunt some 'Gigantos'/mutant hellions with her lol.

glutton said:


Perhaps but Rose is more of a seasoned *killer*, we can't exactly be certain how much she relies on stealth compared to a knight who is probably trained more to fight head on.

Net-Raid said:

*sigh* Let me just make it simpler for you.
Scattered Bones feats, proven in-game. I even posted the source for you.
Alisha? Nothing proves she's all that in the game. If she were, it would've at least been implied/mentioned. I wish I could find proof that she's all that strong like you said, but I couldn't. Maybe you can do me a favor and find me the proof instead? Without any proof, we can only conclude she's an above average fighter because that's how she is depicted/written in the final product of the game.

Net-Raid said:

Dude, can you even READ? I said in that analogy about Town Guard B might be a Godslayer and I was referring to Alisha using this analogy. And even brushing that aside, it was an analogy, no way did I say Rose was a Godslayer(where the f did you even that from???).

And you called it "being hyped in a skit"? That was Sorey's observation after having fought one of their members firsthand and seen how they operated(during the escape from Roundtable palace if I'm not mistaken) and even Lailah agreed. If both of their approvals aren't proof enough for you then I don't know what will. I showed facts from the game and all you had for comeback is "LMAO hyped in skit"? Seriously?


I wasn't talking about that, I was referring to that one time she was being used to blackmail Sorey to fight in the war. I even mentioned that in my post, again do you even read?


You're right, I actually forgot about that one(I thought he was a with a seraph). But regardless, what are you trying to prove with that? I didn't want to discuss about either Sergei or Sorey(without Seraphs) much because we rarely get to see them and I don't remember much about that.

I've presented many facts with evidence in all my previous posts and you don't even try to argue any single one. The only argument you try to refute is Scattered Bones one and even then you can only reply with "LMAO you're assuming, you have bias bla bla bla". Most of your posts contain nothing but cheap provocation. You keep insisting I'm a Rose fanboy etc while I'm not. I only showed you parts that were proven in game and then you either ignored or replied with some weak arguments without any source. Now who's the one with bias here?
How do you even expect to discuss anything with that kind of attitude? Perhaps you can try to read for once and actually think INSTEAD of having preconceived notion that the other party is already wrong even before reading their post.

Net-Raid said:
No what I'm trying to say is, at least Rose and Scattered Bones are written to be something in the game, hence the mention of their skills in the story and skit while Alisha isn't written to be anything more than being a knight who loves her country. If the writer were aiming to show they're both equal in terms of skills, they would've at least shown something in that direction. But the fact that they did not gives the impression that Alisha is just a regular knight.

If I seem rustled that must be because arguing with you is very tiring since you don't bother to read and do nothing but throw insults.

Net-Raid said:
Fair enough, they didn't say what class of hellion specifically but my point still stands that it proves they're better than regular knights. And the fact that they mentioned Scattered Bones being hellion class in a skit shows that the writer meant to depict them as something. Sorey and co. wouldn't take note of their skills in that skit if Scattered Bones are on the same level as regular knights.

Net-Raid said:
True, I strongly agree with the matter of inconsistent writing in the game, especially surrounding hellions. The game mostly left it in a grey area.
In any case, I honestly don't even care if this is about Alisha or Rose or whoever.
The way I go about things(ITT) is state the facts and I only go with what's proven in game and I don't go beyond that, I'm merely discussing the writing of the characters.
If, and this is a big if, mind you, it seems like I'm favoring certain character(ITT that is), let's say Sergei, then that's not because of favoritism, being a fanboy or whatever.
It's because the writers/producer wrote them that way, you can choose to like it or not like it but you can't change what's written.

Net-Raid said:
I'll give you an example then. Let's say there is a story and there are only 2 facts presented from start to end.
Fact 1: Hero A is a knight. Hero A killed a dragon.
Fact 2: Hero B is a knight. Full stop.

If you're the audience, you'd naturally conclude that Hero A is better than Hero B, because in this story we're told that Hero A accomplished something while we don't know anything about Hero B. That's not jumping to conclusions, that's the natural conclusion. Now if the story doesn't end there, and it says to be continued, then yes, that would be jumping to conclusion, because we haven't seen all the story yet.

Net-Raid said:

Are these feats(Hero B) battle feats? If it is, then yes Hero B is better than Hero A in terms of battle feats. Hero B is in no way better than Hero A overall, but if you're comparing battle feats, then yes.

Net-Raid said:

No, those were your own words, I never said that. You even accused me of saying that before(post #115)

in which I denied afterwards (post #116)

See?


This is where I've always stood. If you check my post from before, I gave the same example(analogy) before the last one.

Net-Raid said:

Yes.


Nope.
In my post(#83), I only highlighted

I mentioned feats, never said clearly superior or whatever, those were your own words.

Net-Raid said:
How is it implied when in my post I only mentioned "feats"? Clearly superior means better in every way.
In that post, I basically summed what she can do in the anime. If there is any implication, it will be things that she doesn't display in game.

Net-Raid said:
I said mary sue-like(somewhat mary sue to be specific, if you want to nitpick), then in my next post, I listed out Alisha's feats. So it means somewhat mary sue in terms of feats that were displayed in anime.
I don't know how you can twist my words like that. If anything it was your own misunderstanding.

Net-Raid said:

That was in terms of battle feats as well, we were discussing if they were to fight, and compared their fighting skills(Seraph-less), right?
If I mention more than just fights, say cooking competition, wealth, etc, then that would be 'clear' superiority.
And that was before you reminded me about Sorey vs Sergei in which I changed my mind afterwards.

You were the one who offered that discussion in the first place, my initial argument was about Alisha's feats.

Crashmatt said:
amazing animation and sound directing can't compensate for very average story. It's pretty all over the place at time's and lack flow, jumping from one event to the next. Whilst still enjoyable there are RPG's out there with much better storylines.

hawk222 said:
Damn, Marlind looks way different in the anime! Not at all like a small little village.


Maybe. In the games they said that seraphs can take items made by humans and use them, so those items probably also become "invisible" to humans at that point. Of course, the same doesn't apply to living things, as they referenced Mikleo trying to nonchalantly drag an unconscious Sorey back to the inn without it looking like the Shepherd was floating.