Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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| I literally sobbed throughout this whole episode, it was absolutely beautiful. How anyone can call the show itself mediocre when it has fantastic writing, a good mystery and plotline, amazing production values, and episodes like episode 18 where two voice actors can pour their heart and souls into just 20 minutes straight of real raw emotion is ridiculous. I love the fact that he's such a flawed protagonist, it's a nice change of pace after having bland gary stu characters. The best part about him is despite his flaws and all his mental breaks, he never gives up. |
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| Lmao since episode 1 i wasn't sure if the show's more entertaining or the haters and butthurt. After this episode i def know! The salt is so delicious. |
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MrAM said: Subaru roasted himself good. I've come to be ambivalent towards the scenes of "characters scream their feelings/explain their personalities while dramatic music plays culminating in epic climax," but Re:Zero built up to this so expertly, established everything stated explicitly here before, and executed the scene itself so excellently that I'm willing to give this a pass. It worked brilliantly as a much-needed cathartic moment for both Subaru and the audience, heralding Subaru's lowest moment and subsequent rebirth, and marking a turning point for this arc's story, fitting as this was basically its halfway point. But wow, this episode. This here was Re: Zero's most damning condemnation of NEET shut-in otaku culture, its most withering critique of what Subaru represents, its most dramatic deconstruction of the "escape into fantasy-game world" genre that it clearly sees as nothing less than toxic. No, the narrative says, leaving behind your miserable life to start over in a fantasy world will not magically fix your problems. It will not suddenly make you a better person. It will not suddenly turn you into the flawless, super-powered hero you wish you could be. It will not transport you to heaven. It will not make you happy. The same personal flaws that dragged you down in your old world will drag you down in this one, because your past will not suddenly vanish, no, it will keep dogging you until you learn to change yourself. Your escapism is but a shallow illusion. Re; Zero takes an idea that many people fantasize about (escaping their problems by living in an idealized fantasy-game world) and demonstrates just how terrifying it would be if a living, breathing human being actually experienced it (the show's central conceit of "Return by Death" is a brilliant display of how inhumane the literal application of video game mechanics to real people can be). Subaru wasted away his existence before coming to this strange place, and the consequences of that lifestyle have asserted themselves over and over, exacerbated rather then remedied by this new world. And yet, in the same breath that Re: Zero condemns Subaru and his ilk, it reaffirms them. This is done via Rem, of course. Her insistence on highlighting Subaru's positive qualities, the ones that inspired her love, even in the face of his raw expression of self-hatred, is the narrative's own way of acknowledging the heroic potential of people like Subaru. It's not Subaru's grand gestures that endear him to Rem, a direct rebuttal to the popular LN notion that it is grandiose powers and godly capabilities that define one's heroism and personal achievement. It's the small things that make Subaru human that point to the best of him, that confirm his essential goodness. Subaru is severely flawed, but he is not without redeeming qualities, and so he cannot be the filth that he claims to be. This story's writer made an interesting choice in writing an arc that showcased Subaru's best (Arc 2) before the one that displayed his worst (Arc 3). It's led some people to claim that Subaru randomly regressed to generate drama and pointless character development. The reality, however, is that everything wrong with Subaru was established subtly (perhaps too subtly) in the first two arcs. Subaru is a complex enough character, and the writing nuanced enough, that he can both be the hero we saw in the first two arcs and the coward we saw in this one without any fundamental contradiction. Different circumstances brought out different sides of him, and that it is his worst side that he must come to terms with now. More so, having seen the best of Subaru before seeing his worst, we the audience can agree with Rem's praise. It does not ring hollow, because we have seen it first-hand. And so, to return to the meta analysis, the narrative does not unilaterally declare shut-ins ruined. That would be cruel. It criticizes the bad while highlighting the good as a way of showing that they have the capacity and the potential to do better. And Subaru does. I liked the visual parallel between the shot of his eyes this episode and the one that ended episode 15. People thought the one back then signified the arrival of hero Subaru, but really all it led to was more pathetic Subaru. The murderous gleam in his eyes did not indicate his awesomeness, it indicated his heedless greed and all-consuming desire for vengeance, which simply led to more destruction and mattered nothing without a genuine resolve to change. Contrast that to the plainer shot here, which is the real signifier of hero Subaru's arrival. They are clear and firm, a sign that Subaru has set his mind straight and is ready to truly move forward. From zero. A last note: Rem is awesome and Subaru is extremely lucky to have her, but I'm somewhat disturbed by the (seemingly) popular notion that that somehow ENTITLES her to Subaru's love. Just because a person selflessly aids you does not mean that you are obligated to return the favor with love. That's exactly the problem with the White Knight complex, the idea of which Re; Zero has viciously attacked throughout this arc. For Subaru to suddenly change affections just because Rem's acts of kindness weigh heavier on a scale than Emilia's would be a pretty gross thematic betrayal of everything the show has stood for, and nonsensical because love is not a math problem. And Rem, by agreeing to help Subaru despite the knowledge that she is not the ultimate target of his affections, demonstrates the depth of her love in a way that her many confessions never could. Great stuff, this. Fantastic analysis my friend. I got nothing to add! |
Buck_Wade said: I cannot believe everyone is arguing and confused over such a basic romance situation...My God, does ANYONE on this board know how ACTUAL emotions function? Has everyone been in front of their computers their whole lives learning of relationships only through anime? I can understand criticism, but this is just immature. shipping is so much fun and you said its immature? there's no point watching anime if its no fun. but if we talking about reality, not everyone will do like subaru, someone just leaving both, pick one, or choose both. so if you compare anime romance to actual romance, people differ. Ty-Ki said: Lmao since episode 1 i wasn't sure if the show's more entertaining or the haters and butthurt. After this episode i def know! The salt is so delicious. this anime already salty from episode 13, when emilia reject subaru, or is it episode 13? i forgot. |
al-birnyAug 1, 2016 10:50 AM
| 期待しているよ、私のサリアだって、嘘ばっかり! でもねアンジュ、あんたがいなくなれば、私の方が強いってわかれば, それができるなら、何もいらない! |
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| After all that shits and confession, Subaru literally rejected her around and selfishly asked her to support him. He has topped Shinji as my most hated anime main character, PERIOD. Rem is the best girl. A twat like Subaru doesn't deserve her. |
| I hope Emilia ends up with someone else. That would be an interesting addition to Subaru's jar of sufferings. |
-Stray said: fcking 90% of this thread is about hating Subaru because he rejected Rem, like WTF people? romance isnt the main plot in this series, if you want a full on romance going for who's the best waifu for the said character go to Nisekoi. Dont get all salty at something that wasnt meant to be, for the people complaining about why Emilia doesnt get much screen time whereas Rem does just wait for arc 4, thats her story (that is if the anime makes a 2nd season) arc 1-3 is for Subaru's development, dude literally said it this episode "From here on, starting from Zero, Natsuki Subaru's story, My life in another world starts here, From Zero " basically everything up until now was only the fcking prologue, from here on out starts the real shiz! Exactly, it's so annoying.. This is why I kinda of stray away from shipping. Sometimes people hate characters just because they got in the "way" of their ship. Subaru actually gave her the most mature answer he could instead of lying or leading her on like she was some doll to be used up and thrown away. But, hey "U DONT LOVE HER AFTER ALL SHE'S DONE FOR U" it seems like the anime fan community rears it's ugly ahead and show it's "nice guy trait". Just because you love someone or do so much for them doesn't mean you deserve their love. It doesn't mean you'll get their love or even a future together with them. |
-Stray said: for the people complaining about why Emilia doesnt get much screen time whereas Rem does just wait for arc 4, thats her story Sorry, but if a main Character only starts being a main after 2 whole Cours, then she probably wasn't a main character to begin with, but a side Character, and a minor one atm. |
Shrimperor said: Not really, when the entire story is massive. There are 8 volumes (adapted this season) released out of like 60.-Stray said: for the people complaining about why Emilia doesnt get much screen time whereas Rem does just wait for arc 4, thats her story Sorry, but if a main Character only starts being a main after 2 whole Cours, then she probably wasn't a main character to begin with, but a side Character, and a minor one atm. |
| Down on the West Coast They got a sayin' |
Rehls said: I've seen Rem becoming a main character. Meaning then that Emilia became a support... right? Why don't you complain about Rem? She wasn't supposed to, right? ¬¬ A suppossed 'Side Character' becoming a Main is much better then when a suppossed main becomes a minor side Character. Especially when the side becoming a main is carrying the Series. |
Ok, it was a rather good and emotionally intense episode. But I may add that I was both happy and sad at the same time. Let me elaborate. First things first, Subaru finally talked about his problems and just took it all out of his system. He needed someone to talk with, now he has a new view of things and a renewed will thanks to Rem, which I must say was very sweet in this episode. It surprised me how she had all her life already planed with Subaru jaja. She really helped him. Now the sad thing, and it's about Rem... I couldn't help but feel sad for her because all she wants is him, and she's not gonna have him and that can tear anyone's heart. Hell, it was so anticlimactic when after all she said, that was very touching, Subaru just said he wanted Emilia right to her face... wow.... Special mention to Betleguise with his craziness.... and Subaru later laughing like him.. that was utterly creepy. So, a new start. So, all this was just a prologue to what's coming eh? Wow... but it is episode 18! jaja. |
Rehls said: 'Better' based on what? Based on enjoyment of the Story and it's Characters. I was expecting alot of Emilia after the first few episodes, yet we didn't get anything on her. Maybe later, dunno, but i have no reason to think of her as anything else other then a minor side character atm. And don't give me the ''plot doesn't allow to''. Because if that's the reason, then she was never suppossed to be a mc. |
| Took him a while to realize what kind of a scumbag he is. Will probably take him another while to realize with who he should end up with. I will be disappointed if we get a merry ending with Subaru x Emilia. Let's see if this anime can keep it's different posture until the very end. |
Rehls said: Doesn't allows for now. It's more realistic this way. Obligations in life separate people from each other sometimes. When someone travels, for example. ... There's something really wrong with you complaining about this. I see no good reason. ... If Subaru were then to remain alone, then we can presume that the show would lose, more than gain. But Subaru wasn't by himself. There was Beatrice, Ram and Rem. And we know very little about Emilia to have a good notion of how much we 'lost'. Doesn't change the fact that the suppossed Main girl is a minor side Character. Plot allows it or no, to only be there 3 times in 18 episodes is side Character thing. Even Beako had more of a role then her. Maybe later on in the series She will get some role, but right now, Emilia, and especially Subaru's Obsession with her is the biggest weakness of the series. |
ShrimperorAug 1, 2016 12:03 PM
Shrimperor said: Rehls said: I've seen Rem becoming a main character. Meaning then that Emilia became a support... right? Why don't you complain about Rem? She wasn't supposed to, right? ¬¬ A suppossed 'Side Character' becoming a Main is much better then when a suppossed main becomes a minor side Character. Especially when the side becoming a main is carrying the Series. +1111 Exactly ... |
Rehls said: ... There's no issue here. Sooo what if she didn't remain main? Every story should follow the same cliché route just because? You're saying none could be as good as her or something? None was supposed to? Because this is how it is...in most stories? I don't remember saying that most Stories have best girls being the main ones :p But alteast those main characters in the other stories get some role, and not 0 roles. Emilia was never a main so far to remain one. She is, along with Subaru's Obsession with her, the Series biggest Weakness. And it's getting pretty annoying how the series tries to shove it in our faces that she is a main while she has 0 roles. Maybe later she will have some role, but i don't care about that now, and the only reason i even slightly care for her is because she is the only decent queen candidate. stop putting words in people Mouths. No one said that. But we expect a main to have atleast some role/screentime, and not a background/behind the scenes role. Because that's exactly what a side character does, not a main. |
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Rehls said: You realize the flaw in this, right? It's in assuming that a main is always the best. That a show always loses when it doesn't focus more on a main. Lol. A supposed 'side character' 'carrying the series' should be a really nice thing to see. People like you weren't expecting this, right? Based on what you've seen in other shows. I don't get what your trying to say best character in the show ca be bulid up by developing and having screen time and role in the story , until now emilia barely had screen time , she didn't had character development what so every , she is more of goal than a character at this point ....why in the hell should i even care about her ? she is a main heroine just by name ...talk about arc 4 when it come not now She is just love interest at this point lol what so special about it ? even rem become love interest for subaru later in the story |
Rehls said: She had the role of being mental support for Subaru, besides the one of being something for him to strive for. No, I don't think she's a weakness. This is just you wanting her to have been one of the strongest points. She has the role of being the target of Subaru's Obsession* I never said i want her to be one of the best lol. I just want her to have some of a role. Oh yeah I've to 'put words' in your mouth when you don't say enough. All you've been doing is saying "THIS IS HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE!!". And I've been asking why. You've been giving nothing. Yes. I have been giving nothing. I guess i wrote all that for nothing. God forbid we argue without going personal /facepalm Devil_Slayer said: until now emilia barely had screen time , she didn't had character development what so every , she is more of goal than a character at this point ....why in the hell should i even care about her ? she is a main heroine just by name ...talk about arc 4 when it come not now exactly. |
FononZero said: lmao, now they're shoving Emilia in our faces? The Emilia hate is so strong right now. While we have a lot to learn about Emilia, when we finally do, I'm pretty sure the information we learn will be a lot more interesting and important than anything Rem can provide. When is the improtant word there. Won't happen this season, and there is no tl of Arc4 anywhere atm. Ergo, there is no reason to care about her at all. |
Rehls said: Devil_Slayer said: I don't get what your trying to say best character in the show ca be bulid up by developing and having screen time and role in the story , until now emilia barely had screen time , she didn't had character development what so every , she is more of goal than a character at this point ....why in the hell should i even care about her ? she is a main heroine just by name ...talk about arc 4 when it come not now She is just love interest at this point lol what so special about it ? even rem become love interest for subaru later in the story 'main heroine just by name'? Again with expectations... Eh. I wasn't watching this show, expecting Emilia to always remain the center of attention. What? Why do you people even do this? The best you've been argumenting about is that she's Subaru's motivation, so more of her 'should' be revealed- it's wrong if not. I wasn't even expecting Subaru to remain the center of attention. I'd be fine with any other character. As long as they provided a good story. It could be the thugs, or the merchant, or, or... Again you're explaining my words in the way you like , i never said i expected emillia to be the central point through the whole story , but a whole 2 cours anime with her begin side character , really ? she is truely just a main by name and rem is main character in this season anyway so no reason the bring the whole main and supporting character They are both main character but the different one has great character development , screen time , role in the story and the other work as obsession target to the MC to drive him , and wait she wan't even the one drive him in this episode it was rem |
Shrimperor said: -Stray said: for the people complaining about why Emilia doesnt get much screen time whereas Rem does just wait for arc 4, thats her story Sorry, but if a main Character only starts being a main after 2 whole Cours, then she probably wasn't a main character to begin with, but a side Character, and a minor one atm. key words at the moment, Emilia was and is still the main heroine from the beginning accept it or not is not up to you but up to the source. Everything started from Subaru, then went on to Emilia being his drive, she is still full of mysteries and thats what the series wants to build up, she isnt some shonen type of heroine like Lucy from FT, Nami from OP or Bulma from DB that's supposed to get a lot of screen time just for the sake of it, she's there to fill up the mystery thats her role, thats the build up until arc 4 where some of it gets revealed. Arc 1-3 is for Subaru's development and for Subaru only, its the authors choice and decision to make it that way, Re:Zero's not your typical cliche show that shoves the main characters and favors them every page, every line, every scene, you know not everything has to be the same and has to be from how you got used to. If the author says Emilia is the main heroine then thats the final word, how he handles it is up to him/her not up to your expectation. |
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Rehls said: Devil_Slayer said: Again you're explaining my words in the way you like , i never said i expected emillia to be the central point through the whole story , but a whole 2 cours anime with her begin side character , really ? she is truely just a main by name and rem is main character in this season anyway so no reason the bring the whole main and supporting character They are both main character but the different one has great character development , screen time , role in the story and the other work as obsession target to the MC to drive him , and wait she wan't even the one drive him in this episode it was rem So who told you it should be an issue that she's not being given more attention? Subaru saw her as an ideal girl, and kept wanting her. Only a few weeks have passed in the story. Of most, Subaru's always been with her. We've seen how virtuous she is. How charitable. How educated. How kind. How forgiving. How tolerate. How reproaching. You completely driven the main discussion point away we're not discussion why subaru is obsessed with emilia we're talking about her role in the sotry how subaru see her < i would barely give a shit about it , subaru obsessed with her because he never saw a girl kind to him in his entire life and only saw the good part about her while nearly everyone hurt him in a way or another |
Because enjoyment is totally objective, isn't it? <.< that the other characters more than made up for what we had seen of her. So she basically has no role, see? -Stray said: key words at the moment, That's what i have been saying. I even bolded the now. I have said 'atm' everywhere. And the now is ofc what i will care about the most. I have no ways of knowing when S2 will come neither when Arc4 will get a TL (i guess not anytime soon) |
| 2/5 this episode dragged on for way too long almost like they are trying to pad it for 25 episodes |
Rehls said: =_= What are you missing about her? Weren't you one of the ones that said that she was 'bland'? You appear to be complaining about little. Perhaps I should complain too, about why Roswaal isn't given more light. Because i expected more of her. And maybe with more screen time she wouldn't be just a trophy anymore. After the stuff in the castle i was actually expecting more EMP. And Roswaal is not a MC. That's the difference. It's like you are actually trying to make me hate her. Am I missing something here? Yes, you are. You are missing the fact that Emilia has 0 development. Minimum Screen time. Only mostly being a Trophy or being killed. Being a target of an Obsession. And the one time she showed some interesting stuff (her queen plans) she got shafted right after. |
leNerd said:  Best girling intensifies! i want a SOL spinoff-series about Subaru und Rem making a family NOW Im not a big fan of characters sreaming their heart out at each other all in tears and drama (heck there even started to appear a bunch of white birds out of nowhere lol) especially when its going on for a whole fucking episode But what they said made sense and it was overall good pulled of (the ost helped) so i guess it was justified here Here's the slice of life spin offs of subaru and rem doing family stuff from the author https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zQ7NRY5S_S5Oua3sHwNuiSVxmW27KRjhskCwSpFmwPM/edit https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_oxWJ1yWNv4S2ZDOWs2NHo1bUE/view |
Rehls said: Devil_Slayer said: You completely driven the main discussion point away we're not discussion why subaru is obsessed with emilia we're talking about her role in the sotry how subaru see her < i would barely give a shit about it , subaru obsessed with her because he never saw a girl kind to him in his entire life and only saw the good part about her while nearly everyone hurt him in a way or another So if you don't care about his 'obssession', why do you care about her? Why don't you care about Felt? Why don't you care about Roswaal? Because she appeared first? Huh? Again you two have been expecting the story to go a common route. =_= What are you missing about her? Weren't you one of the ones that said that she was 'bland'? You appear to be complaining about little. Perhaps I should complain too, about why Roswaal isn't given more light. She still has. Wasn't her role in the story of effect when Subaru tried negotiating with Crusch? In the Witch Cult attacking? In Puck murdering everyone? In Subaru going there to find her? In Rem's decision not to accept Subaru's offer? In his dissatisfied state? In Subaru's reputation? Am I missing something here, or aren't you seeing all of this? So your saying mean i don't care obessession then i don't care about emillia see you said it yourself Emilia is a subaru obsession target and nothing else "as of this moment" i could barely call her a character on her own she serve as subaru a love interest and driven reason which exactly what rem become later in the story and rem is so much more than a just a goal and love interset which is why you don't compare them |
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