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Sep 12, 2017 10:10 AM
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Nayrael said: Ending XI: Dusty Desert Trail Ending Type: True Ending (ReijixCal) How to acquire: Don't complete Mio’s path and when Elen leaves Reiji in order to search for Cal, choose the “Look for Cal” option Reiji decides to find Cal before Elen does and save Mio. In order to do so, he’d need to force her to go out of her hiding. After the beating up Mio scene, Cal sits at window thinking about what just happened. Mio’s screams and cries for mercy still lingered in Cal’s ears. “I just wanted to scare her… that was all…” “So… why… why did I go so far?” She knew the answer, but she just didn't want to admit it: it felt good. Mio in fear… Mio’s screams… those were unbearably blissful for Cal. “The way she feels about Reiji and the way she talks about Reiji… in comparison, I…” She envied Mio. She wanted to destroy her purity. She wanted to break her completely. But Cal herself understood… to act like that was to be a loser. For example, there was her father, whose face Cal no longer remembered. He only felt happy when losing to life, seeking solace in drinking and hurting his children. “When did things turn out this way?” It was like an uncontrollable beast lived inside her and she was controlled by its every whim like a puppet. It was not that Cal hated, but that she was driven to hate. It was like her hate for Reiji has taken over and hijacked Cal. It was not that she despised anyone. It was just that bliss of hating, hurting and destroying drived her. It was not important if her opponent was Reiji or Ein… or even Scyhte or Lizzie. “What… SHIT! Lizzie… why didn't you stop me at that time? If you killed me, then all would have been the end, wouldn't it?” Cal starts to cry. She was alone, isolated as always. As always, she could not stand herself and tears flowed. She was scared of the beast within. She was scared of herself that went insane and destroyed. Mio opened her eyes and saw Cal crying. “Her crying… it seems so painful… but I can't understand why…” There was no way to understand another's pain. The words of Cal were true after all. “I can find the words to reach out… to console her. No matter how I try, I am just an outsider to her… in that case… Reiji too… If he is the same as this girl… if he has a chance to cry like her… then does that mean that I can't understand him either?” Mio falls asleep while thinking about all of that. (Unlike “Road to Cerulean Sky” and “Cherry Blossoms Avenue” routes, here Cal does not call Elen in order to solve things with her. I guess that in this version, Reiji and Cal were closer thus she loved him more… and the stronger her love in past was, that is how strong her hatred now is thus this realization isn’t enough for Cal to start resisting the beast within). Next morning, Mio wakes up and notices that Cal is gone. She remembers that Cal cried last night and can’t believe that she is the same person as the girl that told her, in cold voice, that she wants to kill Reiji. As she is thinking about that, she feels someone’s eyes on her backs. The guy behind her was Azuma Reiji. “I came here fearing for my life and I find a naked girl? Now THAT’S luck!” Reiji is saddened to see that Mio was held in this lonely and cold place and is even more saddened when he notices that her clothes were torn apart. “It is my fault. I promised to protect Mio and I failed…” Not knowing what to say to Mio, he decides to stay silent. He then notices that there is a handcuff on Mio’s leg. First, he thought of taking his gun and free her by shooting at handcuff, but since he didn't want to show a gun to Mio, he decides to use a different method. He asks her to give him a hairpin and decides to unlock the handcuff. He takes his time as he doesn't want to show her that he is used on doing this. After freeing her, he asks her if she has clothes in school (since they are in the old dorm right now which is not far from school, which might be the best place to look for clothes). She confirms and he decides to go there with her in order to give her some clothes. He knows that they might meet Cal at their way there, but he decides to risk. If it happens, it happens. They don't tell a word to one another as they walk towards the school. Reiji concludes that Cal told everything to Mio. However, when they finally come to school, Mio says few words and tells him that she would want to know more about that person called Cal and mentions that she saw her crying last night. Then she enters the room to put on her gym clothes and Reiji says in monologue: Thank you Mio. Even though it didn’t concern you, you said something very important for me. When Mio enters the taxi, Reiji tells her to not worry about Cal. As the taxi leaves, Reiji prepares for the second stage of his master plan. In meantime, Cal drives around looking for Reiji. She didn’t concern herself with movements of Ein, but when Reiji disappeared, she became concerned. “That rat ran away and abandoned Mio…” As that thought crosses her mind, she notices the mistake in her judgment and returns to her hideout and finds out that her hostage is gone. She is angry and in despair believing that Reiji must have saved her. Desperate, she takes out Mio’s cell phone and calls Reiji, even though she believes that he must be gone already. On her surprise, Reiji answers. “Reiji! You are aware of what you have done!” “It is too late Cal. I let Mio go a while ago. There is no reason for you to get worked up...” (“He is laughing at me… he is poking fun at me…”) “Farewell again, Cal…” “I will follow you… I will follow you to depths of hell if needed…” “Give up Cal… you can’t really believe that you can beat me?” “What?” “Don’t make me laugh. An army of you wouldn’t stand a chance against me. I see that value of position of Phantom has gone down the drain since you became Phantom… not to mention the value of Inferno.” “WHAT?! You are the one to talk! Always running away like a coward!” “You are dull, Cal. Shall I give you a chance?” “A chance?” “Now that I think about it, it will be a pain if you follow me forever. We can duel and settle it once and for all… if you have the courage that is.” “It sounds interesting.” (“As I hoped, I wont show him any mercy. I will murder you Azuma Reiji. I will murder you!”) “I'll give you an hour. Come to the church near Shinokura Gauken by then.” (“SHIT, SHIT, SHIT, SHIT, SHIT, SHIT … he he he he… yes, thats right… this hateful feeling is all I have left… I am not going to worry any more. I am going to free the beast… the beast within me! I will give you all of me… and then I will push till the end!”) The scene then changes to Reiji so now we listen to his monologue while he is walking towards the church: (“This is it. This is my last duty for her. What Cal now needs is an opponent… someone at whom she can throw two years of pent up emotions. If she is full and overflowing with hate, then I should purge her of it. I will take on all of her anger and then I will die. If it will compensate for the havoc I created from her life, then it will be a cheap price to pay… this life of mine. I don't know if she will be able to start over… to start a new life again. But to do so, this nightmare of hers has to end. This nightmare that has lasted till today. That is all I can do. Then I will watch over her and pray for her… until the day she can acquire true happiness. She shouldn't have to suffer any more because of me.”) Reiji entered the church and started remembering the old days and asked himself why didn't he check if she was alive on the day of explosion. (“If she had not met me… if she had not loved me… Cal would have had a different life. I don’t know if she still can, but I have to believe that. I need to return her life back.”) As he intends to say a prayer he learnt from Elen, he feels angry eyes watching his back. Cal taunts him, but Reiji stays silent (“I can’t say hateful things in front of her…”). When she asked him how he wants to settle this, he told her to make the choice herself. So she takes out her Clock of Despair and says that once the music stops, they shoot. Reiji remembers the day he bought her that watch and the joy Cal felt because of that. Reiji notices that distance is 10 meters and that there is no chance that either of them will miss. It is all about the speed. However, Reiji does not intend to fire a bullet. He will take out his gone and aim it at her, but he won’t pull the trigger. As he listens to music, he remembers the past days again. He loved her and she loved him, but now they must end as enemies. Even though he knew why he needed to die, he still regretted it. Is it selfish for him to die this way? The melody was nearing its end. (“The sound of Cal’s music box will be the last thing I hear… no… the sound of bullet will be the last thing I will hear. At least an image of her face will be burned into my memory… then I will die. Even the eyes of a killer… the eyes filled with hatred… they will do…. Because those are Cal’s eyes.”) Then the silence came… and with it, Reiji’s supposed death. Cal took out her gun, but then she suddenly jumped back and a shower of bullets hit the place where she was standing. Reiji turns around and looks at the source of those bullets. Impatient Elen starts the cat-fight! Cal declares Reiji a cheater and takes the gun she brought with her and the cat-fight starts. Cal doesn't waste time and she starts firing bullets… and destroying the church. It takes some time for Reiji to see where Elen is Professor Elen shows us her great skills of evading bullets by running around Elen jumps near Cal and fires some bullets at her opponent, but Cal uses the gun as a shield by throwing it away and jumping somewhere else. While in air, she takes out her S&W pistols Cal returns fire and Elen is forced to hide behind the altar Left without bullets, Elen throws away her Scorpion and takes out the Python and shoots at Cal. Cal hides behind one of the pillars and waits till Elen is forced to reload After hearing the seventh shoot, Cal goes out and starts shooting back so Elen hides again Reiji notices something very weird in Elen’s behavior: she is fighting without her usual care… she fights at Cal’s pace. When Cal is forced to reload, Elen goes out and starts shooting at Cal again Finally, Reiji realizes that Elen is trying to create her own pace. He noticed that Elen is controlling Cal like a puppet by making her believe that, because Elen has less firepower, victory is guaranteed for Cal. Because of that, Cal abandoned all of her strategies and fights by using same moves over and over again. He notices that Elen took out a survival knife and hides it behind her back. Elen’s plan becomes obvious to Reiji. Cal who is hiding behind a pillar, however, does not notice what Elen is intending to do A thought of dead Cal crosses Reiji’s mind and he starts becoming desperate. Elen fires the bullets from her pistol in random directions. As the seventh bullet is shoot, Elen makes a spin and throws the eight missile Reiji starts running towards Cal, not even caring if Cal will shoot him. And he made it in time… “Why… What happened?! Why did you save me?!” “I am sorry Cal… I am afraid that I am no good at lying after all…” (Reiji falls unconscious) “Why, at the end of the end, did you protect me? I don’t understand anything… I don’t understand anything at all…” While Cal is confused, Elen comes and removes Reiji from her. Without any fuss or hesitation, she carefully removes knife from Reiji’s shoulder (which was supposed to hit Cal’s throat) in order to not hurt an artery. She tells Cal that he is alright and that he just fainted. Cal asks why Reiji saved her and Elen replies that it is what he wanted all along. Cal wanted to ask something else, but Elen gives her a sign to stay silent. Cal looks around and notices that there are people watching them from the windows. She counts and concludes that they are surrounded by around 20 enemies. Elen starts walking towards the altar and tells Cal to hide Reiji there. Elen also picks up the scorpion she threw away and changes its magazine. Cal started to ask a question, but was interrupted when those gangsters started firing bullets at them. She concludes that these are gangsters from the Godoh Group who muct have noticed that Mio has been freed. Not wanting to waste time, she and Elen put Reiji behind the altar. Cal notices that those gangsters are just amateurs, but their great numbers still make her pessimistic about their chances. As Cal thinks about how to handle them, Elen tells her that there is a back entrance in priest’s room so she should take Reiji and flee with him. Cal asks her what she will do and Elen replies that she will hold them back. Cal does not believe that she can handle these many enemies. Cal: “Why do so much?” “There is something important between me and Reiji and I need to protect it.” “You… this is not a game! I look like a fool!” “If you are bothered by it… come back another day and try to kill me :) But for now… take care of Reiji.” Cal looks at Reiji who lies in her arms and concludes that his wound is not deep, but needs to be treated quickly. "This idiot... why did he need to..." "SHIT! Don't hit the bucket while we are in here!" She accepts Elen’s request and starts running without looking back. She didn’t want Elen to see her tears. Later that night, Scyhte and the Zchalen Schwestern appear at the church. Scyhte notices a sea of corpses but no Phantom dead and concludes that Drei must have made peace. While a bit disappointing development, it is still interesting. He concludes that they must have ran to the school so he and the Schwestern go in that direction. Oh, and he thought that this is what happens when you rely on numbers against three former Phantoms… he had no idea that Ein took care of all these guys alone… Reiji wakes up and notices that he is in a classroom. He is confused that he is alive, that he is in school and that certain someone is sleeping on him, with a softened face. It is Cal and he notices remains of tears on her face. He laughs a bit at her crying while sleeping. He calls her name and she wakes up. She is relieved to see that he is alright but isn't able to say a word. Tears start flowing from her eyes. (“Now just cry Cal… words won't heal the heart. Nobody is to blame. Our relationship was filled with misunderstandings, but now we are together again.”) “So Cal... we meet again.” "...yes." she says and smiles. Reiji is glad that, after two years, they managed to reconcile. As he tries to get up, pain goes through his wound so Cal tells him to stay calm. He asks her why they are here and she explains that after he fainted, the Godoh Group attacked. Ein stayed to fight alone and they escaped. Reiji wonders why Elen would go through trouble of helping Cal. She shouldered it all alone and continued to sacrifice. Reiji asks himself how he can ever repay her. Cal: “Don't worry, that is Ein. She is so strong that it is almost frightening. Her enemies are just a bunch of amateurs. She will get out somehow.” Reiji notices that Cal also realized how much she owes to Elen. Then Cal is hit by regret again: Cal: “I was such an idiot towards everyone… I shoot Lizzie… I treated Mio horribly... even though she had nothing to do with all this…” In order to stop her from crying, Reiji hugs her and tells her that it is his fault for mixing Mio into all this. Before Cal can continue, he changes the topic: “What about Inferno and Scyhte? If Godoh Group is moving, Inferno can’t be far behind. This isn’t a safe place to stay.” “I know, but…” (“Yes… she couldn’t run away with an injured me. If I told her to leave me behind, she probably would not listen. Actually, asking her to run and leave me behind would just make her sad.”) “I guess that this is the end of line for us…” Reiji agrees. However, even if they die here, they will not be separated again. The fate that brought them to this conclusion is certainly cruel. So they decide to wait the end there rather than madly trying to survive. After some time… Cal gets horny and asks him to have sex. Reiji goes: “What?! Here?” His resistance is futile tough and Cal manages to persuade him to spend their last moments like that. Well… I don't think that either of them, when the day started, expected to do this... Depending on the game version, either while kissing or during sex, Cal says: “Yes… we will be together… forever!” And one of the Numba Sis jumps through the window. However, before she even touched the floor, Cal showered her with bullets and the victim fell dead. Around the same time, another Sister enters through the door and the third through another door. Cal gives them the same treatment. One of them is killed immediately but the other one falls wounded to the floor. She tries to take her weapon back into her hands, but Cal comes to her and hits her. “Heaven or Hell, make your pick! I am not giving you mind or Reiji’s life!” And so in matter of few seconds, the Zchalen Schwestern lost half of their members… (BTW, in uncensored version of the game Cal is naked on these CG’s) Like the player, Reiji goes WTF?! “Did she just kill those three in matter of few seconds?” He also comments on how Cal looks like a goddess of hunt. "Sorry Reiji for surprising you like this." "Did you give up on dieing?" "Well, you see... I don't really think that we spent enough time together. So I think I'd like to survive for now." "And what will we do if we manage to get out? Where will we go? After all, Inferno is after us!" "Well... we will think about details once we killed our way out." "You..." "But don't you worry, I'll take care of them. You just rest here and wait for my return. Now quickly, put your clothes on. Quick, quick..." “Few moments ago, she was weeping bitterly. And now she is fearless again and ready to jump into a fight again. Can she really be this ferocious, gracious and… frightening?” The remaining assassins, seeing that they underestimated Drei and lost half of their manpower, started devising another plan. Seeing that Drei is running to another side of the building, they conclude that she must be acting as a decoy. Thus, Vier and Acht will go after Drei while Neun goes to take care of Zwei and then joins her comrades in fight against Drei. Later, Reiji notices that one of assassins didn't go after Cal to the other side of the school but is still in his side of the building, turning floor after floow into a beehive. Thus, he goes to take care of that assassin by setting up a trap. On the other side of building Cal is fighting against Vier and Acht. She notices that her enemies are the Zchalen Schwestern. With three of them dead, two are fighting against her. That means that the sixth assassin is probably searching for Reiji. Concerned about him, Cal becomes nervous and starts to think about how she could get rid of these two opponents in one single strike and join up with Reiji. Back at Reiji’s side of the building, Neun was filling third floor with bullets, like she did first and second. When she enters men’s bathroom, she notices that stalls are locked as if someone was using all of them. Without hesitation, she starts filling stalls with bullets and she is surprised to see that water started pouring out. Too late does she notice an electric cord falling into water thus filling Neun with electricity. When Neun died, Reiji got out from women’s bathroom and looks at her corpse. He thought about how this girl was of Mio’s age and could have been leading a happier life if fate wasn’t so cruel. He then decides to find Cal and tell her that he is OK. However, a bullet hits him and he falls unconscious. On other side of the building, Cal is still desperately looking for a way to get rid of her opponents. As she is running through school, she notices a classroom that looks different than others. Because she watched a lot of movies, she quickly recognizes the classroom as a chemistry lab and comes up with a plan and thanks the gods of motorcycles and Levi's for giving her this opportunity. She enters the lab and starts breaking stuff around in order to fill the room with explosive gas. However, knowing that her opponents aren't some amateurs but professionals, she understands that Vier and Acht won't blow themselves into air by shooting in the lab. Thus, she breaks into a locked room where tools and takes out an electric stove. She thinks about how this looks like it is taken from the movies, but her daydreaming end when Vier and Acht enter the lab with knives in their hands. Knowing that she can’t afford to waste time, Cal sneaks to one of the tables and connects the stove to electricity. Because she has no time, she decides to flee by jumping through the window. So she yells “Farewell, scumbags!” and jumps out, leaving those two to see the wonders of being caught in an explosion. Cal falls into a flower bed and survives the Leap of Fate. Even tough she feels pain all over her body, all the muscles and bones seem to be fine. So she gives a thumb up to Heavens… and to gods of boxing and Vietnam while she is at it. As she rises up in order to find Reiji, someone fires a bullet that hits the soil beneath her. She aims her gun at the darkness where her opponent is supposed to stand. A laughter is heard and she recognizes it as Scyhte's laughter. He congratulates her on managing to beat all the assassins from Vier to Acht, something he certainly didn't except. He tells her that she might really deserve to be called Phantom. Cal asks him if he intends to challenge the Phantom and he replies by telling her that she must be kidding. He himself isn't so trustable in his own abilities. Thus, he throws unconscious Reiji to the ground where she could see him. Cal is shocked and Scyhte tells her that he is still alive… tough it depends on her if he will stay like that. She calls him a bastard and Scyhte fires a bullet into Reiji’s leg and tells her to be careful when choosing what words she will say. He orders her to disarm. Desperate, Cal throws both of her S&W's on the ground. He tells her to throw ALL weapons to the ground and she has no choice but to throw an ATM that she hid in her sleeve to the ground. “This must be an illusion, Drei! Disarming yourself for a half dead man… that is so disappointing. Dubing you Phantom is laughable! At the end, you are nothing more then a little girl in love.” In order to hurt her, he fires another bullet into Reiji. “YOU BASTARD!” “Yes Drei… you are wonderful with those hate filled eyes of yours!” He aims the gun at her. “This is such a shame, Drei. Such a shame. You were my best…” Before he is able to even complete his sentence, he is hit by a bullet from behind. He doesn't even have time to be surprised when another bullet hits him right into the head. Seeing that Scyhte is dead, Cal runs to Reiji in order to check up his wounds. She is relieved to see that he is still alive and that bullets have gone through. If she can stop the bleeding, he should be alright. Thus, she takes his belt and uses it to take care of his wound. When she takes care of his wound, she looks at the person who killed Scyhte. She saw a pale and hollow girl in school uniform. It was Ein Elen asks her how is Reiji and Cal tells her that he is alright. Elen is relieved to hear that. Cal looks at Ein’s wounds and is left speechless. The wounds are fatal and too much time has passed. Elen is living on borrowed time. “Please, take care of Reiji. You are able to protect him.” “But…” (Cal remembers their duel in the church and thinks about what would have happened if Reiji didn't interfere) “But I am not as strong as…” “It is alright, you will get stronger.” “…” “I hated you Drei… I never thought that I would hate another person. And finally I understand why: I loved him. Like Mio. Like you.” “That's because you are a woman.” “Ha ha. Are you making fun at me? Or is that a compliment?“ “What do you think?” “It is alright. Either is fine. I am glad that I finally understood it at the end.” As Ein says those words, Cal felt that her body lightened up and she was gone (“This girl is certainly… I am sorry… Elen… that's how Reiji called her, I heard… the least I could do is say that name loud in these last moments of hers.”) *** A certain amount of time passes. At Mexican city of Santa Madelia, armed men are waiting for someone who is intending to kill Sanchez, the gang leader in the town. From the gossip that is spread, we find out that Sanchez’s rival Chavez has hired Phantom, a couple of assassins, to assassinate his rival. The men are a bit frightened that these dangerous people are coming, but they are still very optimistic as the entire town is protecting Sanchez. Meanwhile, Reiji is complaining on how the truck that is transporting them is old thus making the travel annoying. While he is annoyed, Cal is sleeping despite ride. He wakes her up as they are just few dozen minutes away from their goal, Santa Madelia. He is confused on how she can sleep so peacefully before the mission. She must have nerves of steel. “Are you ready, Cal?” “Yes, I am. How many enemies are there again?” “Everyone we see. There will be no ignorant citizens taking a walk in streets today.” (that explains why the town knew they were coming: they announced their arrival in order to take care that citizens are not involved) “Will the police show up?” “They will be Sancchez’s men.” “Well, well… I am not sure I'll have enough bullets.” “Just take it easy. First aim then shoot.” “But I can shoot three times while you are still aiming.” “One shoot at a time is fine. One shoot at a time.” “If I shoot three bullets, two of them will hit the home.” “I don't care. Never miss. Aim at that them, damn it!” “Look, let me just use one of your spare guns.” “No.” “You have five guns. You are so stingy!” “You have seven. What, are you going to hold eight? You have only two hands, you know. Don't spray your bullets around. Don't just throw your gun away! No imitating that stupid move stuff either! Back me up for once, damn it!” (Cal seems to have ignored Professor Reiji's lesson) “Reiji, we are getting quite a lot of money for this job, right?” “Well, yes. Nobody else would take up this dangerous job so I made them spit a lot of money.” “Don't you think we deserve a break?” “You are probably right. Should we spend it... garishly? All at once? Where do you want to go? To Caribbean? Or to Europe?” “Well, that sounds good. But I want to go somewhere where we would never go on a job. Somewhere where nobody is around and we would be alone… like North Pole!" “North Pole? That's impossible. What about Greenland?” “We would be able to watch the aurora at night… That would be nice. We could even live there!” “We would eat seal every day…” “No need to worry about food! I am good at devising new dishes so you will never get sick of eating them.” (“Once it hits her pace, the story just gets bigger and bigger. Now I don't even know if she is joking or is serious. At times like this, she can be unexpectedly serious, but that is just like her so it is fine.”) “So, we will one day go to North Pole?” “OK, we will after this job.” If they survive that is. Reiji is thinking about how this might be their last mission. But maybe the fact that their enemies are just amateurs, the police is cowardly and the weaponry is old aged will save them. However, he is still optimistic. No matter how dangerous the situation is, they always get out of it alive and it will probably be like that this time as well. They will be together forever… ---------------------------------------------------------------- Where is the "road of whatever" ending LOL, that's one of the biggest ones and you didnt mention it LOL Road to Carulean Sky? Isn't that one of the Chapter 3 endings? Those endings will be posted once the series ends. By far my favorite ending. Cal and Reiji don't kill each other. That's all I wanted. |
Sep 12, 2017 10:11 AM
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Sep 16, 2017 11:29 AM
#53
Hi! I'm after watching anime and I was unfulfilled of path that anime was going. I mean, Elen was for me the last one I would choose. I was courious about another routes and I come here. Thank your for tl:dr alternative endings and truly I love the most Reiji x Cal. Now when I have read thier happy ending I'm gladly and can walk to another anime without bitterness after watched this one. Thank you for your work! A bit sad that I can't saw the imagies, but still thank a lof of for telling me about Reiji x Cel routes (aswell Clau & Mio). |
Apr 17, 2018 12:48 PM
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Xaven said: Hi! I'm after watching anime and I was unfulfilled of path that anime was going. I mean, Elen was for me the last one I would choose. I was courious about another routes and I come here. Thank your for tl:dr alternative endings and truly I love the most Reiji x Cal. Now when I have read thier happy ending I'm gladly and can walk to another anime without bitterness after watched this one. Thank you for your work! A bit sad that I can't saw the imagies, but still thank a lof of for telling me about Reiji x Cel routes (aswell Clau & Mio). Same here, brother, same here. Cal is my favorite character along with Lizzie. I wished Cal survived in the anime, but it was handled so badly. Am I the only one who thinks Cal died because of a stupid misunderstanding and Reiji not being able to fucking tell her "I thought you died"? I am so bitter about Reiji killing Cal, as if that was the only possible conclusion he could have reached. Broke my heart to know Cal was dragged into this mess by Reiji AND Elen (since she killed Judy) and then when she was killed by Reiji, it was like he abandoned her all over again. Like Mio said, "she has no one to TALK to" That's right Reiji, all she needed was someone to talk to, not fucking shoot her. Ahaha, sorry, I am ranting a bit here, the conclusion of her arc in the anime just pissed me off. |
Apr 17, 2018 1:26 PM
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Ankylar said: Xaven said: Hi! I'm after watching anime and I was unfulfilled of path that anime was going. I mean, Elen was for me the last one I would choose. I was courious about another routes and I come here. Thank your for tl:dr alternative endings and truly I love the most Reiji x Cal. Now when I have read thier happy ending I'm gladly and can walk to another anime without bitterness after watched this one. Thank you for your work! A bit sad that I can't saw the imagies, but still thank a lof of for telling me about Reiji x Cel routes (aswell Clau & Mio). Same here, brother, same here. Cal is my favorite character along with Lizzie. I wished Cal survived in the anime, but it was handled so badly. Am I the only one who thinks Cal died because of a stupid misunderstanding and Reiji not being able to fucking tell her "I thought you died"? I am so bitter about Reiji killing Cal, as if that was the only possible conclusion he could have reached. Broke my heart to know Cal was dragged into this mess by Reiji AND Elen (since she killed Judy) and then when she was killed by Reiji, it was like he abandoned her all over again. Like Mio said, "she has no one to TALK to" That's right Reiji, all she needed was someone to talk to, not fucking shoot her. Ahaha, sorry, I am ranting a bit here, the conclusion of her arc in the anime just pissed me off. It was definitely all Reiji's fault. She even gave him the chance to explain himself. But no, he thought that she was like him and Elen, and that she was all depressed about becoming an assassin (when in reality she loved becoming one - unlike them, she was born and raised in the criminal underworld so her moral compass was always different). I guess this is why I don't like Elen's route. It's the full tragedy, and both Reiji and Elen give up so much of their humanity that it's hard to even be happy about them. By the way, if you want images with summary, I recreated most of the summaries (minus Cal route as I haven't yet found time for it...) and they can be found HERE |
Apr 17, 2018 2:08 PM
#56
Nayrael said: Ankylar said: Xaven said: Hi! I'm after watching anime and I was unfulfilled of path that anime was going. I mean, Elen was for me the last one I would choose. I was courious about another routes and I come here. Thank your for tl:dr alternative endings and truly I love the most Reiji x Cal. Now when I have read thier happy ending I'm gladly and can walk to another anime without bitterness after watched this one. Thank you for your work! A bit sad that I can't saw the imagies, but still thank a lof of for telling me about Reiji x Cel routes (aswell Clau & Mio). Same here, brother, same here. Cal is my favorite character along with Lizzie. I wished Cal survived in the anime, but it was handled so badly. Am I the only one who thinks Cal died because of a stupid misunderstanding and Reiji not being able to fucking tell her "I thought you died"? I am so bitter about Reiji killing Cal, as if that was the only possible conclusion he could have reached. Broke my heart to know Cal was dragged into this mess by Reiji AND Elen (since she killed Judy) and then when she was killed by Reiji, it was like he abandoned her all over again. Like Mio said, "she has no one to TALK to" That's right Reiji, all she needed was someone to talk to, not fucking shoot her. Ahaha, sorry, I am ranting a bit here, the conclusion of her arc in the anime just pissed me off. It was definitely all Reiji's fault. She even gave him the chance to explain himself. But no, he thought that she was like him and Elen, and that she was all depressed about becoming an assassin (when in reality she loved becoming one - unlike them, she was born and raised in the criminal underworld so her moral compass was always different). I guess this is why I don't like Elen's route. It's the full tragedy, and both Reiji and Elen give up so much of their humanity that it's hard to even be happy about them. By the way, if you want images with summary, I recreated most of the summaries (minus Cal route as I haven't yet found time for it...) and they can be found HERE Yeah, she definitely gave him a chance, but he said the wrong damn thing and she punched him and set her down a path she could not stray from anymore. Thanks for writing up these summaries. Will check it out. I have a lot of VNs on my list to play and no time in which to do so, so having these summaries help out. It's very interesting to read the monologues that Cal had in the VN that did not appear in the anime. It really shows how much she was hurt and makes me feel even more sorry for her. |
Apr 11, 2019 9:48 PM
#57
Hi! After watching the anime and because of the ending, I fell into depression. With Urobutcher being as he is, I believe he added that plot twist to the very ending of the last episode, despite it following the Road of the Cerulean Sky vn ending. So yeah, I searched for answers to my questions and ended up here. I have also read your tumblr post. Currently not done reading it but I'll find time but I got the whole gist of it. Really, thank you for making the effort of making the summary of the endings from the vn. Really appreciated it :) Btw, I have some questions. I hope you can answer them. 1) Did the anime fully or mostly covered the important points of Elen's and Cal's route from the vn's chapter 1 and 2? 2) Basing from the images you posted here and from your tumblr post, it seems you played both the english dvd version (non-H) and the remastered version (also non-H). Or maybe you also played the original vn release (with the H-scenes) and you can read in Japanese? Please correct me here in this hehe. 3) Just curious. Was there an H-scene between Elen and Reiji from the original vn? Or maybe an implied H-scene for them from the non-H vn versions? Last but not the least, I was really happy that Cal has a happy ending and Elen and Reiji didn't died from the Road of the Cerulean Sky ending (though it's obvious there are happy endings because the original source is the vn, but still I'm happy). I really like both Elen and Cal :) |
Apr 12, 2019 11:19 AM
#58
HimeLilianne said: Really, thank you for making the effort of making the summary of the endings from the vn. Really appreciated it :) You are welcome :) I am always happy to see that people still read my summaries... and this reminds me that I still have to remake the summary of Dusty Desert Trail on tumblr... HimeLilianne said: 1) Did the anime fully or mostly covered the important points of Elen's and Cal's route from the vn's chapter 1 and 2? Elen's scenes were fully covered. I can't remember much being cut, but a lot more was added with Anime-Original scenes. Cal's scenes, especially in chapter 2, were trimmed however, which I consider a shame because they explained more about her character. Most notable changes: - when Reiji met Cal, he pretended to be a Drug Dealer. Cal thought it was extremely cool. This hit home the fact that Cal's childhood was being surrounded by prostitutes and gangsters (and had she normally grown up, she would have become one of these two) - Cal thought of Phantom as a superhero who murdered the evil mafiosos. This explains why in her own ending she is still an assassin: as long as bad people die and they make sure that good people are spared, being an assassin is ok in Cal's books - in chapter 3, Cal remembered her childhood from before she fled her abusive father. But I covered this one in the summary of her ending There are a few more, but I consider these ones to be the most major changes. They all show that Cal is not such a pure child as she looks in Anime, which then explains her character development. Overall though, the Anime did an excellent job. Not many adaptations are worthy of their source material, but BeeTrain did a good job here (a shame the studio is now basically dead). HimeLilianne said: 2) Basing from the images you posted here and from your tumblr post, it seems you played both the english dvd version (non-H) and the remastered version (also non-H). Or maybe you also played the original vn release (with the H-scenes) and you can read in Japanese? Please correct me here in this hehe. I played only the English DVD version as it was the only one translated... and I really, really hope a better version finds itself on Steam someday because playing the DVD version is utter suffering. But I have explored the other versions so I know most of differences. HimeLilianne said: 3) Just curious. Was there an H-scene between Elen and Reiji from the original vn? Or maybe an implied H-scene for them from the non-H vn versions? There are formally two H scenes: 1. The first one is not really a H-scene even if it is classified as such: it's just Reiji treating Elen's wounds and for some reason they made it arousing. It's quite awkward, and the Anime captured the gist of it as I remember 2. Reiji and Elen's real sex scene is in chapter 3, just after you choose Elen's path. Reiji and Elen have sex at the altar in the church, after which Elen leaves and Cal arrives to have a duel with Reiji |
Apr 12, 2019 6:50 PM
#59
Nayrael said: HimeLilianne said: Really, thank you for making the effort of making the summary of the endings from the vn. Really appreciated it :) You are welcome :) I am always happy to see that people still read my summaries... and this reminds me that I still have to remake the summary of Dusty Desert Trail on tumblr... HimeLilianne said: 1) Did the anime fully or mostly covered the important points of Elen's and Cal's route from the vn's chapter 1 and 2? Elen's scenes were fully covered. I can't remember much being cut, but a lot more was added with Anime-Original scenes. Cal's scenes, especially in chapter 2, were trimmed however, which I consider a shame because they explained more about her character. Most notable changes: - when Reiji met Cal, he pretended to be a Drug Dealer. Cal thought it was extremely cool. This hit home the fact that Cal's childhood was being surrounded by prostitutes and gangsters (and had she normally grown up, she would have become one of these two) - Cal thought of Phantom as a superhero who murdered the evil mafiosos. This explains why in her own ending she is still an assassin: as long as bad people die and they make sure that good people are spared, being an assassin is ok in Cal's books - in chapter 3, Cal remembered her childhood from before she fled her abusive father. But I covered this one in the summary of her ending There are a few more, but I consider these ones to be the most major changes. They all show that Cal is not such a pure child as she looks in Anime, which then explains her character development. Overall though, the Anime did an excellent job. Not many adaptations are worthy of their source material, but BeeTrain did a good job here (a shame the studio is now basically dead). HimeLilianne said: 2) Basing from the images you posted here and from your tumblr post, it seems you played both the english dvd version (non-H) and the remastered version (also non-H). Or maybe you also played the original vn release (with the H-scenes) and you can read in Japanese? Please correct me here in this hehe. I played only the English DVD version as it was the only one translated... and I really, really hope a better version finds itself on Steam someday because playing the DVD version is utter suffering. But I have explored the other versions so I know most of differences. HimeLilianne said: 3) Just curious. Was there an H-scene between Elen and Reiji from the original vn? Or maybe an implied H-scene for them from the non-H vn versions? There are formally two H scenes: 1. The first one is not really a H-scene even if it is classified as such: it's just Reiji treating Elen's wounds and for some reason they made it arousing. It's quite awkward, and the Anime captured the gist of it as I remember 2. Reiji and Elen's real sex scene is in chapter 3, just after you choose Elen's path. Reiji and Elen have sex at the altar in the church, after which Elen leaves and Cal arrives to have a duel with Reiji Thank you for the speedy reply. I think I can now at least move on from this masterpiece. Now I just have to find time and finish reading the summaries of the other endings so I can at least give closure to it. And maybe I'll hope that a better english version really comes out in Steam. |
May 8, 2019 7:15 PM
#60
I actually went and bought the game in a double DVD pack a couple or several years ago off of Amazon, and despite having played it through, I've been wondering as to why the animators went and changed the ending in the anime. I mean, we didn't even get the OW-MY-HEART-In-a-good-way dialogue line from Elen that she says at the very end of the anime's final route: "This is enough." I mean, I understand that the animators were kind of cobbling together all the available routes into one story, and they did a okay job, but still, the anime's ending has me as confused as the day I finished watching it for the first time almost ten years ago... Does anyone have a explaination or analysis for it? |
May 8, 2019 7:19 PM
#61
HimeLilianne said: Nayrael said: HimeLilianne said: Really, thank you for making the effort of making the summary of the endings from the vn. Really appreciated it :) You are welcome :) I am always happy to see that people still read my summaries... and this reminds me that I still have to remake the summary of Dusty Desert Trail on tumblr... HimeLilianne said: 1) Did the anime fully or mostly covered the important points of Elen's and Cal's route from the vn's chapter 1 and 2? Elen's scenes were fully covered. I can't remember much being cut, but a lot more was added with Anime-Original scenes. Cal's scenes, especially in chapter 2, were trimmed however, which I consider a shame because they explained more about her character. Most notable changes: - when Reiji met Cal, he pretended to be a Drug Dealer. Cal thought it was extremely cool. This hit home the fact that Cal's childhood was being surrounded by prostitutes and gangsters (and had she normally grown up, she would have become one of these two) - Cal thought of Phantom as a superhero who murdered the evil mafiosos. This explains why in her own ending she is still an assassin: as long as bad people die and they make sure that good people are spared, being an assassin is ok in Cal's books - in chapter 3, Cal remembered her childhood from before she fled her abusive father. But I covered this one in the summary of her ending There are a few more, but I consider these ones to be the most major changes. They all show that Cal is not such a pure child as she looks in Anime, which then explains her character development. Overall though, the Anime did an excellent job. Not many adaptations are worthy of their source material, but BeeTrain did a good job here (a shame the studio is now basically dead). HimeLilianne said: 2) Basing from the images you posted here and from your tumblr post, it seems you played both the english dvd version (non-H) and the remastered version (also non-H). Or maybe you also played the original vn release (with the H-scenes) and you can read in Japanese? Please correct me here in this hehe. I played only the English DVD version as it was the only one translated... and I really, really hope a better version finds itself on Steam someday because playing the DVD version is utter suffering. But I have explored the other versions so I know most of differences. HimeLilianne said: 3) Just curious. Was there an H-scene between Elen and Reiji from the original vn? Or maybe an implied H-scene for them from the non-H vn versions? There are formally two H scenes: 1. The first one is not really a H-scene even if it is classified as such: it's just Reiji treating Elen's wounds and for some reason they made it arousing. It's quite awkward, and the Anime captured the gist of it as I remember 2. Reiji and Elen's real sex scene is in chapter 3, just after you choose Elen's path. Reiji and Elen have sex at the altar in the church, after which Elen leaves and Cal arrives to have a duel with Reiji Thank you for the speedy reply. I think I can now at least move on from this masterpiece. Now I just have to find time and finish reading the summaries of the other endings so I can at least give closure to it. And maybe I'll hope that a better english version really comes out in Steam. I hope that the current not-good English version becomes available on steam, so that I don't have to wait for my house's DVD player to become available just to play the story. And HAHA, there. Is. No. Moving. Away. From. Phantom. Especially with that ending, I wouldn't be surprised if people will still be talking about it ten or twenty years down the road. (And considering how its past 20 years for the original game (HAPPY LATE BIRTHDAY, PHANTOM SERIES!") that's likely to happen). |
May 8, 2019 7:32 PM
#62
NumberEinFan said: I actually went and bought the game in a double DVD pack a couple or several years ago off of Amazon, and despite having played it through, I've been wondering as to why the animators went and changed the ending in the anime. I mean, we didn't even get the OW-MY-HEART-In-a-good-way dialogue line from Elen that she says at the very end of the anime's final route: "This is enough." I mean, I understand that the animators were kind of cobbling together all the available routes into one story, and they did a okay job, but still, the anime's ending has me as confused as the day I finished watching it for the first time almost ten years ago... Does anyone have a explaination or analysis for it? As far as I know, they changed the ending into a tragic one for the anime. Dunno why, but in my opinion, it's just Urobuchi doing his thing for tragic plot twists. Though I think almost everyone who played/read the synopsis of the game already know that Elen's route is a happy ending. |
Jul 11, 2019 12:21 PM
#64
adeimam14 said: is there a route where cal is still alive? The one and only ending where Cal dies is Ein's ending. In both Mio's (Cherry Blossoms Avenue) and Cal's ending (Dusty Desert Trail), she survives. In Claudia's as well. |
Sep 13, 2019 1:29 AM
#65
I don't know why I suddenly remembered this anime and your post that read ages ago. Not sure if I ever said thanks for it all. They should make an OVA for the Pimp of Inferno ending. |
Sep 20, 2019 11:01 PM
#66
HimeLilianne said: NumberEinFan said: I actually went and bought the game in a double DVD pack a couple or several years ago off of Amazon, and despite having played it through, I've been wondering as to why the animators went and changed the ending in the anime. I mean, we didn't even get the OW-MY-HEART-In-a-good-way dialogue line from Elen that she says at the very end of the anime's final route: "This is enough." I mean, I understand that the animators were kind of cobbling together all the available routes into one story, and they did a okay job, but still, the anime's ending has me as confused as the day I finished watching it for the first time almost ten years ago... Does anyone have a explaination or analysis for it? As far as I know, they changed the ending into a tragic one for the anime. Dunno why, but in my opinion, it's just Urobuchi doing his thing for tragic plot twists. Though I think almost everyone who played/read the synopsis of the game already know that Elen's route is a happy ending. Yeah, that's true! Elen's route is a happy ending! The ending for the anime was total BS, which I think Urobuchi had a hand on it being there. Again, Elen's route and ending is a HAPPY one! Do you think it's BS that the ending for the anime was changed into a tragic one? |
Sep 20, 2019 11:07 PM
#67
Nayrael said: adeimam14 said: is there a route where cal is still alive? The one and only ending where Cal dies is Ein's ending. In both Mio's (Cherry Blossoms Avenue) and Cal's ending (Dusty Desert Trail), she survives. In Claudia's as well. Basically, Cal survives in Mio's ending, her own ending, and Claudia's ending? She only dies in Ein's ending? Also, you said that you remade Cal's ending summary in your tumblr. Can I see it? |
Sep 20, 2019 11:15 PM
#68
rick1-2 said: Yeah, that's true! Elen's route is a happy ending! The ending for the anime was total BS, which I think Urobuchi had a hand on it being there. Again, Elen's route and ending is a HAPPY one! Do you think it's BS that the ending for the anime was changed into a tragic one? Well for me, it's not BS because I have a thing for tragic endings and it's interesting to have a "what if" ending. Though I admit that after I went through the anime ending, I fell into depression and when I learned the truth about Elen's route in which it's a happy end, well, it's a mixture of disappointment and relief. |
Sep 21, 2019 1:19 AM
#69
HimeLilianne said: rick1-2 said: Yeah, that's true! Elen's route is a happy ending! The ending for the anime was total BS, which I think Urobuchi had a hand on it being there. Again, Elen's route and ending is a HAPPY one! Do you think it's BS that the ending for the anime was changed into a tragic one? Well for me, it's not BS because I have a thing for tragic endings and it's interesting to have a "what if" ending. Though I admit that after I went through the anime ending, I fell into depression and when I learned the truth about Elen's route in which it's a happy end, well, it's a mixture of disappointment and relief. I see. You learning the truth that Elen's route is a happy ending brought you a mixture of disappointment and relief? I get the relief part since both Reiji and Elen are actually supposed to be alive at the end, but why the disappointment? |
Sep 21, 2019 4:33 AM
#70
rick1-2 said: I see. You learning the truth that Elen's route is a happy ending brought you a mixture of disappointment and relief? I get the relief part since both Reiji and Elen are actually supposed to be alive at the end, but why the disappointment? I expected that the Elen route from the vn will also have a tragic end, but nah. But what matters is that I found a hidden gem of a story and had a good time :) |
Sep 21, 2019 11:05 AM
#71
HimeLilianne said: rick1-2 said: I see. You learning the truth that Elen's route is a happy ending brought you a mixture of disappointment and relief? I get the relief part since both Reiji and Elen are actually supposed to be alive at the end, but why the disappointment? I expected that the Elen route from the vn will also have a tragic end, but nah. But what matters is that I found a hidden gem of a story and had a good time :) Hah, that's good. I'm glad that both Reiji and Elen are alive and well in Eren's ending in the VN (the source material). They were meant to survive and live together once they found Eren's homeland in Mongolia. Sad that Cal's dead, but at least she died peacefully in Reiji's arms. What did you like about the story? Hope to hear from you soon. |
rick1-2Sep 22, 2019 8:37 AM
Sep 21, 2019 6:52 PM
#72
Ankylar said: Nayrael said: Ankylar said: Xaven said: Hi! I'm after watching anime and I was unfulfilled of path that anime was going. I mean, Elen was for me the last one I would choose. I was courious about another routes and I come here. Thank your for tl:dr alternative endings and truly I love the most Reiji x Cal. Now when I have read thier happy ending I'm gladly and can walk to another anime without bitterness after watched this one. Thank you for your work! A bit sad that I can't saw the imagies, but still thank a lof of for telling me about Reiji x Cel routes (aswell Clau & Mio). Same here, brother, same here. Cal is my favorite character along with Lizzie. I wished Cal survived in the anime, but it was handled so badly. Am I the only one who thinks Cal died because of a stupid misunderstanding and Reiji not being able to fucking tell her "I thought you died"? I am so bitter about Reiji killing Cal, as if that was the only possible conclusion he could have reached. Broke my heart to know Cal was dragged into this mess by Reiji AND Elen (since she killed Judy) and then when she was killed by Reiji, it was like he abandoned her all over again. Like Mio said, "she has no one to TALK to" That's right Reiji, all she needed was someone to talk to, not fucking shoot her. Ahaha, sorry, I am ranting a bit here, the conclusion of her arc in the anime just pissed me off. It was definitely all Reiji's fault. She even gave him the chance to explain himself. But no, he thought that she was like him and Elen, and that she was all depressed about becoming an assassin (when in reality she loved becoming one - unlike them, she was born and raised in the criminal underworld so her moral compass was always different). I guess this is why I don't like Elen's route. It's the full tragedy, and both Reiji and Elen give up so much of their humanity that it's hard to even be happy about them. By the way, if you want images with summary, I recreated most of the summaries (minus Cal route as I haven't yet found time for it...) and they can be found HERE Yeah, she definitely gave him a chance, but he said the wrong damn thing and she punched him and set her down a path she could not stray from anymore. Thanks for writing up these summaries. Will check it out. I have a lot of VNs on my list to play and no time in which to do so, so having these summaries help out. It's very interesting to read the monologues that Cal had in the VN that did not appear in the anime. It really shows how much she was hurt and makes me feel even more sorry for her. Yeah, it was Reiji's fault that caused Cal to be set down a path she couldn't stray from anymore. She gave him a chance to explain himself, but he blew it by saying the wrong thing, now she's hellbent on killing him and Eren, despite not wanting to deep down inside her. He could't just explain himself? Not only that, he killed her, downright abandoning her in the process, even though they reconciled? Like Mio said, Cal needs to be talked to, not killed. Do you think that Reiji could done it differently in a more easy manner that doesn't involve him screwing up? He needs to realize that Cal's different from him and Eren. |
Sep 21, 2019 7:24 PM
#73
Nayrael said: Ankylar said: Xaven said: Hi! I'm after watching anime and I was unfulfilled of path that anime was going. I mean, Elen was for me the last one I would choose. I was courious about another routes and I come here. Thank your for tl:dr alternative endings and truly I love the most Reiji x Cal. Now when I have read thier happy ending I'm gladly and can walk to another anime without bitterness after watched this one. Thank you for your work! A bit sad that I can't saw the imagies, but still thank a lof of for telling me about Reiji x Cel routes (aswell Clau & Mio). Same here, brother, same here. Cal is my favorite character along with Lizzie. I wished Cal survived in the anime, but it was handled so badly. Am I the only one who thinks Cal died because of a stupid misunderstanding and Reiji not being able to fucking tell her "I thought you died"? I am so bitter about Reiji killing Cal, as if that was the only possible conclusion he could have reached. Broke my heart to know Cal was dragged into this mess by Reiji AND Elen (since she killed Judy) and then when she was killed by Reiji, it was like he abandoned her all over again. Like Mio said, "she has no one to TALK to" That's right Reiji, all she needed was someone to talk to, not fucking shoot her. Ahaha, sorry, I am ranting a bit here, the conclusion of her arc in the anime just pissed me off. It was definitely all Reiji's fault. She even gave him the chance to explain himself. But no, he thought that she was like him and Elen, and that she was all depressed about becoming an assassin (when in reality she loved becoming one - unlike them, she was born and raised in the criminal underworld so her moral compass was always different). I guess this is why I don't like Elen's route. It's the full tragedy, and both Reiji and Elen give up so much of their humanity that it's hard to even be happy about them. By the way, if you want images with summary, I recreated most of the summaries (minus Cal route as I haven't yet found time for it...) and they can be found HERE Yep, it's all Reiji's fault. He and Eren dragged Cal into this mess, and the former abandoned her, escaping with the latter to the south to Mexico (sure, he thought she died, but had he not thought of checking if she was really dead?). Hell, two years later when they meet again, Cal gave Reiji the chance to explain himself, but he screwed that up by thinking that she was like him and Elen, and that she was all depressed about becoming an assassin, when that is NOT the case. Cal is different from Reiji and Eren, in that she was born and raised in the criminal underworld, and thus she actually loved becoming an assassin. Her moral compass is different due to this. He fails to understand that her experiences are different from his and Eren's. Elen's route was full of tragedy due to these misunderstandings, and the fact that both Reiji and Elen gave up so much of their humanity makes it hard to feel happy about them. Cal shouldn't have to die, but due to Reiji's inability to understand that she's different from him and Eren and that he can't explain himself, makes Cal's death tragic, even though both she and Reiji were able to reconcile before she died in his arms. He realizes that he failed her, and he can only mourn her death after killing her. He comforted her in her final moments though at least, so that she dies peacefully. Do you think that it could have gone differently, so that Cal would actually survive in Eren's route? I want to ask, what happened to Claudia when Reiji went to the abandoned warehouse to wait for Eren to kill him (where the two then escape south towards Mexico after they reconcile with each other), after he thought Cal was dead when their apartment blew up? She called him after his apartment blew up, right? This is in regards to the VN. Hope to hear from you soon, Nayrael! |
Sep 22, 2019 3:51 AM
#74
rick1-2 said: Also, you said that you remade Cal's ending summary in your tumblr. Can I see it? Unfortunately, I hadn't remade it yet :( It will take a while longer as I intend to include some of the differences between Anime and VN, which I consider to be important to fully understand how Cal's mind works (I think I talked about those cut scenes it in this thread). rick1-2 said: I want to ask, what happened to Claudia when Reiji went to the abandoned warehouse to wait for Eren to kill him (where the two then escape south towards Mexico after they reconcile with each other), after he thought Cal was dead when their apartment blew up? She called him after his apartment blew up, right? This is in regards to the VN. Hope to hear from you soon, Nayrael! As I remember, we last see her when Reiji and Lizzie confront her about her betrayal. If Reiji doesn't shoot Lizzie, Claudia leaves because Lizzie doesn't have it in her to shoot her. Claudia is then killed off screen by Inferno. In the newest release, she is killed by Lizzie at the beach, just like in the Anime (alongside better art, the newest release includes the Anime-original additions). |
Sep 22, 2019 8:33 AM
#75
Nayrael said: rick1-2 said: Also, you said that you remade Cal's ending summary in your tumblr. Can I see it? Unfortunately, I hadn't remade it yet :( It will take a while longer as I intend to include some of the differences between Anime and VN, which I consider to be important to fully understand how Cal's mind works (I think I talked about those cut scenes it in this thread). rick1-2 said: I want to ask, what happened to Claudia when Reiji went to the abandoned warehouse to wait for Eren to kill him (where the two then escape south towards Mexico after they reconcile with each other), after he thought Cal was dead when their apartment blew up? She called him after his apartment blew up, right? This is in regards to the VN. Hope to hear from you soon, Nayrael! As I remember, we last see her when Reiji and Lizzie confront her about her betrayal. If Reiji doesn't shoot Lizzie, Claudia leaves because Lizzie doesn't have it in her to shoot her. Claudia is then killed off screen by Inferno. In the newest release, she is killed by Lizzie at the beach, just like in the Anime (alongside better art, the newest release includes the Anime-original additions). I see, so you haven't remade it yet. Yeah, those differences are important to understand how Cal's mind works. I'll look this thread to find them. I want to make a request, can you also do the ending summary for Eren's route ending, Road to Cerulean Sky, as well? I think the newest release added variations to it? I would love to see your ending summary of it for the VN, and the how differeny anime's adaptation of it is. We know Mio is let go by Cal, is rescued by Eren, and escorted back home by Shiga in the anime, but what about in the VN? We also know that Cal dies in the anime (it follows Eren's route, and mostly her ending) and Eren's route in the VN, killed by Reiji, but what are the differences for her death? As for Claudia, so in the original VN (before the anime and VN remake release), the last we saw of her is when she's confronted by Reiji and Lizzie about her betrayal. If Reiji doesn't shoot Lizzie, Claudia leaves since Lizzie is unwilling to shoot her. After that, Claudia is then killed by Inferno offscreen? Wow, that's stupid, we don't even get to see what happened to her onscreen in the VN. If Reiji shoots Lizzie, we'll then be in Claudia's route, correct? In that (for one of two True Endings for Claudia), Claudia kills Reiji, which a year later, she is now a courtesan to a high-ranking mafia member, manipulating him and his mafia to fight against Inferno. The other True Ending for Claudia has Reiji killing Claudia, presenting her dead body to Scythe and becoming higher in rank in Inferno in the process. Five years later, with Inferno being the sole superpower in the U.S. criminal underworld, Reiji controls Scythe's six-member assassin squad and kills both the kingpins and Scythe himself, taking full control of Inferno. Of course, he has Raymond killed by Cal, who he made into an assassin. He then went to Claudia's grave, looking over the city he's exploiting. Wait, if Reiji doesn't shoot Lizzie, can that possibly lead to the bad ending where Reiji is killed by Eren at the abandoned warehouse under Scythe's orders? I think to get that, you can't do Eren's route in Chapter 1. In the newest release (as well as in the anime), Claudia is killed by Lizzie at the beach, just like in the anime. Now we can know (and see) that Claudia is killed onscreen, and by Lizzie! I didn't like that we only find out that Claudia is killed offscreen by Inferno in the original VN. It sucks. The newest release includes the Anime-original additions? Oh god, even the anime ending? The story is still the same, right? Hope to hear from you soon, Nayrael! |
rick1-2Sep 22, 2019 8:39 AM
Sep 22, 2019 9:02 AM
#76
rick1-2 said: I want to make a request, can you also do the ending summary for Eren's route ending, Road to Cerulean Sky, as well? Ah yes, the Cerulean Skies... I greatly regret not making a summary of that one. Though I barely remember details of that route, so I'd have to replay the game. Can't promise it will come anytime soon though. rick1-2 said: I think the newest release added variations to it? I have't played the new version itself, but from what I hear you choose if you want a happy or sad ending. I would love to see your ending summary of it for the VN, and the how differeny anime's adaptation of it is. We know Mio is let go by Cal, is rescued by Eren, and escorted back home by Shiga in the anime, but what about in the VN? In the VN, Elen saves Mio,and unlike the Anime Mio does not have any more interactions with Reiji. I remember in the Anime she gave him a speech that she gives him in the Cal's route, a fact I did not like because in the game this speech is what made Reiji decide not to kill Cal. We also know that Cal dies in the anime (it follows Eren's route, and mostly her ending) and Eren's route in the VN, killed by Reiji, but what are the differences for her death? None really. The two meet in the Church, duel, and Reiji kills her. This scene only changes if Reiji kisses (or has sax in later 18+ version) at the end of Chapter 2. In this case, Reiji does not have the strength to pull the trigger, so Cal wins the duel and he dies (I touched on this in one of Bad Ending summaries). As for Claudia, so in the original VN (before the anime and VN remake release), the last we saw of her is when she's confronted by Reiji and Lizzie about her betrayal. If Reiji doesn't shoot Lizzie, Claudia leaves since Lizzie is unwilling to shoot her. After that, Claudia is then killed by Inferno offscreen? Wow, that's stupid, we don't even get to see what happened to her onscreen in the VN. Not really. In the branched stories, it's common for characters to not get full resolutions in every route, or for all mysteries to be resolved, or for everything to be explained. It makes readers more motivated to see other routes, and it saves the already exhausted writers to reduce the amount of story they have to write. Basically, to get the full story, you have to finish all the routes (and reach all the bad endings as well). In a way, you could even say that having a route that's completely fulfilling would be detrimental to the story overall. The Anime of course is not such a type of the story, so it did need to show Claudia's ultimate fate on screen. In other words, for VN's, killing major characters off-screen is nothing uncommon, or even bad. That injustice is more than made up by them having their own route, aka their own storyline, all for themselves. Wait, if Reiji doesn't shoot Lizzie, can that possibly lead to the bad ending where Reiji is killed by Eren at the abandoned warehouse under Scythe's orders? I think to get that, you can't do Eren's route in Chapter 1. Yep. In this case, Ein kills him. Now that I think about it, I do wonder if the same happens if you complete Claudia's and Cal's routes. Maybe in that case we get a variation of Southbound? I doubt it, but I remember when I once ended in Cal's route which then turned into Mio's route so all is possible. The newest release includes the Anime-original additions? Oh god, even the anime ending? The story is still the same, right? Hope to hear from you soon! The newest release is a fusion of the VN's and Anime's story. Basically, it's the VN's story with new scenes. So it's really not the "same" story as the Anime. As for the ending, from what I heard (but did not confirm myself) you choose if you want the old ending, or the Anime ending. The game certainly has both sets of pictures: I really hope that someday the game appears on Steam. You'd think that with the flood of VN releases on Steam that it would have came by now, but alas... and playing the currently existing PS version is... masochism to say it lightly. |
NayraelSep 22, 2019 9:05 AM
Sep 29, 2019 7:26 PM
#77
Nayrael said: rick1-2 said: I want to make a request, can you also do the ending summary for Eren's route ending, Road to Cerulean Sky, as well? Ah yes, the Cerulean Skies... I greatly regret not making a summary of that one. Though I barely remember details of that route, so I'd have to replay the game. Can't promise it will come anytime soon though. rick1-2 said: I think the newest release added variations to it? I have't played the new version itself, but from what I hear you choose if you want a happy or sad ending. I would love to see your ending summary of it for the VN, and the how differeny anime's adaptation of it is. We know Mio is let go by Cal, is rescued by Eren, and escorted back home by Shiga in the anime, but what about in the VN? In the VN, Elen saves Mio,and unlike the Anime Mio does not have any more interactions with Reiji. I remember in the Anime she gave him a speech that she gives him in the Cal's route, a fact I did not like because in the game this speech is what made Reiji decide not to kill Cal. We also know that Cal dies in the anime (it follows Eren's route, and mostly her ending) and Eren's route in the VN, killed by Reiji, but what are the differences for her death? None really. The two meet in the Church, duel, and Reiji kills her. This scene only changes if Reiji kisses (or has sax in later 18+ version) at the end of Chapter 2. In this case, Reiji does not have the strength to pull the trigger, so Cal wins the duel and he dies (I touched on this in one of Bad Ending summaries). As for Claudia, so in the original VN (before the anime and VN remake release), the last we saw of her is when she's confronted by Reiji and Lizzie about her betrayal. If Reiji doesn't shoot Lizzie, Claudia leaves since Lizzie is unwilling to shoot her. After that, Claudia is then killed by Inferno offscreen? Wow, that's stupid, we don't even get to see what happened to her onscreen in the VN. Not really. In the branched stories, it's common for characters to not get full resolutions in every route, or for all mysteries to be resolved, or for everything to be explained. It makes readers more motivated to see other routes, and it saves the already exhausted writers to reduce the amount of story they have to write. Basically, to get the full story, you have to finish all the routes (and reach all the bad endings as well). In a way, you could even say that having a route that's completely fulfilling would be detrimental to the story overall. The Anime of course is not such a type of the story, so it did need to show Claudia's ultimate fate on screen. In other words, for VN's, killing major characters off-screen is nothing uncommon, or even bad. That injustice is more than made up by them having their own route, aka their own storyline, all for themselves. Wait, if Reiji doesn't shoot Lizzie, can that possibly lead to the bad ending where Reiji is killed by Eren at the abandoned warehouse under Scythe's orders? I think to get that, you can't do Eren's route in Chapter 1. Yep. In this case, Ein kills him. Now that I think about it, I do wonder if the same happens if you complete Claudia's and Cal's routes. Maybe in that case we get a variation of Southbound? I doubt it, but I remember when I once ended in Cal's route which then turned into Mio's route so all is possible. The newest release includes the Anime-original additions? Oh god, even the anime ending? The story is still the same, right? Hope to hear from you soon! The newest release is a fusion of the VN's and Anime's story. Basically, it's the VN's story with new scenes. So it's really not the "same" story as the Anime. As for the ending, from what I heard (but did not confirm myself) you choose if you want the old ending, or the Anime ending. The game certainly has both sets of pictures: I really hope that someday the game appears on Steam. You'd think that with the flood of VN releases on Steam that it would have came by now, but alas... and playing the currently existing PS version is... masochism to say it lightly. "In the VN, Elen saves Mio,and unlike the Anime Mio does not have any more interactions with Reiji. I remember in the Anime she gave him a speech that she gives him in the Cal's route, a fact I did not like because in the game this speech is what made Reiji decide not to kill Cal." So, in the VN, after she is saved by Elen, Mio doesn't have any more interactions with Reiji? She just stays where she's at (like Elen told her to) until Shiga comes to pick her up(she no longer has any scenes with her in it after Elen saves her, until she's at school the next day?), where the next day, she is seen wondering if what she saw yesterday was real? So, that speech Mio gave Reiji in the anime, it's the same one she gives him in Cal's Route? That speech is what made Reiji decide not to kill Cal in the game. However, in the anime, it was what made him resolved in killing Cal. What the hell? Yeah, I agree with you in not liking the anime for this part. "None really. The two meet in the Church, duel, and Reiji kills her. This scene only changes if Reiji kisses (or has sax in later 18+ version) at the end of Chapter 2. In this case, Reiji does not have the strength to pull the trigger, so Cal wins the duel and he dies (I touched on this in one of Bad Ending summaries)." So, the ending where Reiji is killed by Cal in their duel when he doesn't have the strength to pull the trigger, what does it entail? Is it summarized in this thread? Also, there's absolutely no difference in Cal's death between the anime and Eren's route in the VN, she and Reiji meet in the church, duel, and Reiji kills her. Cal dies the same. "Not really. In the branched stories, it's common for characters to not get full resolutions in every route, or for all mysteries to be resolved, or for everything to be explained. It makes readers more motivated to see other routes, and it saves the already exhausted writers to reduce the amount of story they have to write. Basically, to get the full story, you have to finish all the routes (and reach all the bad endings as well). In a way, you could even say that having a route that's completely fulfilling would be detrimental to the story overall. The Anime of course is not such a type of the story, so it did need to show Claudia's ultimate fate on screen. In other words, for VN's, killing major characters off-screen is nothing uncommon, or even bad. That injustice is more than made up by them having their own route, aka their own storyline, all for themselves." I see, I agree with your points on this. We do see Claudia's ultimate fate though, her getting killed by Lizzie (on orders from Inferno) for her betrayal. "Yep. In this case, Ein kills him. Now that I think about it, I do wonder if the same happens if you complete Claudia's and Cal's routes. Maybe in that case we get a variation of Southbound? I doubt it, but I remember when I once ended in Cal's route which then turned into Mio's route so all is possible." I see. What are the other ways that will lead to Ein killing Reiji in the abandoned warehouse? I believe there are two more ways? Wait, if you do Eren's route in chapter 1, and Reiji doesn't shoot Lizzie, where will that lead to? Reiji going to his apartment? We do know that shooting Lizzie will always lead Claudia's route though. Yeah, all is possible, I guess. I don't think we'll get variations though. "The newest release is a fusion of the VN's and Anime's story. Basically, it's the VN's story with new scenes. So it's really not the "same" story as the Anime." So, you're saying that the newest release is the VN's story, just with new scenes? I know it's not the same story as the Anime's story, and that is what I want. I want the VN's story, not the Anime's story. Strange fusion though, wouldn't you agree? "As for the ending, from what I heard (but did not confirm myself) you choose if you want the old ending, or the Anime ending. The game certainly has both sets of pictures:" I see. Definitely the old ending, not that crappy Anime ending which was too sudden and diabolus ex maxhina. Nice awesome pictures, I'll give it that. "Ah yes, the Cerulean Skies... I greatly regret not making a summary of that one. Though I barely remember details of that route, so I'd have to replay the game. Can't promise it will come anytime soon though." Don't worry, take your time. "I have't played the new version itself, but from what I hear you choose if you want a happy or sad ending" Happy ending for the win, all the way! Screw the sad ending (Anime)! "I really hope that someday the game appears on Steam. You'd think that with the flood of VN releases on Steam that it would have came by now, but alas... and playing the currently existing PS version is... masochism to say it lightly." Wait, this currently existing PS version, it's in English? Don't tell it's the painful DVD one? God, you have to be a freaking masochist to play that? You're saying the PS version is worst? Well, hope to hear from you soon. |
Sep 30, 2019 9:09 AM
#78
rick1-2 said: That speech is what made Reiji decide not to kill Cal in the game. However, in the anime, it was what made him resolved in killing Cal. What the hell? Yeah, I agree with you in not liking the anime for this part. Indeed so. I can understand that they wanted to give a proper closure to Mio (which was not as necessary in the VN due to reasons I mention in the lats post) and just copy-pasting parts of the conversation was the simplest solution, but I really wish they went for a more original route here. So, the ending where Reiji is killed by Cal in their duel when he doesn't have the strength to pull the trigger, what does it entail? Is it summarized in this thread? Also, there's absolutely no difference in Cal's death between the anime and Eren's route in the VN, she and Reiji meet in the church, duel, and Reiji kills her. Cal dies the same. This ending was not present in the officially translated version, but I know this: - Reiji finds himself unable to pull the trigger - Cal despairs as she watches him die - a timeskip occurs - Elen hunts Cal for revenge, and manages to find her - Cal doesn't have the strength to fight back, so they eventually just start starring at the sky, remembering Reiji - I like to think they make up because that's what Reiji would want, and they start traveling around as main characters of a sitcom Thgese are the CGs of these endings, I think: I see. What are the other ways that will lead to Ein killing Reiji in the abandoned warehouse? I believe there are two more ways? Wait, if you do Eren's route in chapter 1, and Reiji doesn't shoot Lizzie, where will that lead to? Reiji going to his apartment? We do know that shooting Lizzie will always lead Claudia's route though. There are at least three ways to get this ending: 1) Complete Claudia's path during chapter 1 and in chapter 2 but when asked if you will shoot Lizzie when she points her gun at Claudia and you answer with "See what happens", you get this ending 2) During the sniping mission, you have a choice to kill the sniper immediately or to confirm his identity first. If you shoot immediately and don't follow Claudia's path, you get this ending 3) When Ellen starts shooting at the harbour on the Godoh group, if you don't follow Claudia's path you can choose to either jump into car with Lizzie or to confirm the assasin's identity. If you jump into the car, you may get this ending Generally, if you don't get any other ending in ch2, you will default to this one. Mind you that shooting Claudia is only possible if you followed Claudia's route to the end: if you ever made a wrong choice (like spending time with Cal instead of with Claudia), the option to shoot Lizzie won't be offered So, you're saying that the newest release is the VN's story, just with new scenes? I know it's not the same story as the Anime's story, and that is what I want. I want the VN's story, not the Anime's story. Strange fusion though, wouldn't you agree? Not really. Many of these additions were made with help of the original authors, and they do make the story better. So while unusual, I do think it's for the best. The original VN was very rough in many ways, as one would expect of Nitro+'s and Urobutcher very first work. The art is especially rough... I still have nightmares of Lizzie. Wait, this currently existing PS version, it's in English? Don't tell it's the painful DVD one? God, you have to be a freaking masochist to play that? You're saying the PS version is worst? Yep, only the PS version is translate. It... - lacks 18+ scenes (not a real downside, but worth mentioning) - is not a game as much as an interactive video (no animation, just pictures with sound) - there's no load and save system, instead you have passwords - you can't pause safely. Either the game refuses to pause, or if you pause and unpause, sound or picture (or both) may start lagging - the same goes for trying to make the video run faster - waiting to reach a password or choice can last quite a while. Hope you don't need to go to the bathroom I don't know who came up with the idea to release it this way, but I sure hate that person. |
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