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GohanwaOkazu said: I don't think it's "Yuri-baiting" - to denounce this anime like that is pure rubbish. You can see it as Yuri - if you insist - , but from Episodes 8 and 11 you'd see that their "love confession" is done WITHOUT lesbian connotation AT ALL. In Episode 8, Kumiko understands what Reina is trying to say perfectly with her "confession of love" and says plainly "どう考えても違うでしょ" ("Surely, it isn't so"). Only the viewers (or if you like, a few viewers who don't watch attentively the details or don't understand the connotations) miss the point. In Episode 11, Kumiko's "confession of love" is a passionate declaration of support for Reina and the uncompromising challenge/challenger for that special something in the world of art. It's rather silly to wonder whether there will be kissing, because it isn't meant to be a lesbian affiliation but real deep talk between two souls who are friends (Reina might be a bit too possessive of Kumiko, because Kumiko is Reina's only friend and sympathizer, but she isn't finding any romantic/sensual appeal in Kumiko). You may watch this as Yuri - if you insist - but it's just two soulmates interacting in a dramatic way. Hmmm... before I go on, I want to say I completely agree with you. That confession was platonic and not romantic because they're sort of with each other as a necessity. Like they both bring something good to the table kind of thing. But homosexuals get almost no representation in media. They get a lot more now then they used too but it's still only a little bit. Sexuality is also very confusing. I can see how lesbians could possibly relate to this because of all the physical interaction. Relationships are more about body language than words anyway. I don't really understand where guys who like yuri come in though. I can't wrap my head around that. |
| Mami didn't like this, Reina and Kumiko |
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| Stop with the yuri tease, KyoAni! |
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GohanwaOkazu said: TitanAnteus said: Hmmm... before I go on, I want to say I completely agree with you. That confession was platonic and not romantic because they're sort of with each other as a necessity. Like they both bring something good to the table kind of thing. But homosexuals get almost no representation in media. They get a lot more now then they used too but it's still only a little bit. Sexuality is also very confusing. I can see how lesbians could possibly relate to this because of all the physical interaction. Relationships are more about body language than words anyway. I don't really understand where guys who like yuri come in though. I can't wrap my head around that. I 120% agree with you that sexuality is confusing; much more confusing than strong homophobes would like to think. I also think that homosexuals get almost no serious representation in the media, and when they are represented, they are almost always shown as a laughable "queer" guy, which is sad, as many people must be quite suffering. I think there are many different kinds of people liking Yuri. Some believe that men who like yuri, just like women who like yaoi and boys love, are confronting with their (sometimes forced) heterosexuality and trying to find refuge in yuri/BL sanctuary. There are women who like yuri too (and probably Naoko Yamada in KyoAni is at least sympathetic to yuri as a theme [see Yu-Azusa in K-On!, and Midori in Tamako Loves Story/Market]), because of the existing socially enforced sexuality (ideas of virginity, chastity, big-tits, big-penis, men conquering women, etc); Yuri is a means to question that enforced order. "Men who like yuri, like women who like yaoi are confronting with their heterosexuality and trying to find refuge in yuri/BL." So people who like yuri are confronting their forced heterosexuality? This kind of makes sense, but I do think it's a pretty big leap in logic to say that men who like yuri are slightly confused about their own sexuality. "There are women who like yuri too." I think that makes sense. They could be bi. Kind of like guys who like BL/Yaoi. "Yuri is a means to question that enforced order." No. I completely disagree. You're putting yuri on a pedastal. It's nowhere near that. It's a fetish men have and relatable for actual lesbians... hopefully. I mean it's not made by lesbians, but a bunch of men with questionable sexuality, so I don't know if lesbians actually relate to yuri or also just like it as a fetish. |
TitanAnteus said: GohanwaOkazu said: I 120% agree with you that sexuality is confusing; much more confusing than strong homophobes would like to think. I also think that homosexuals get almost no serious representation in the media, and when they are represented, they are almost always shown as a laughable "queer" guy, which is sad, as many people must be quite suffering. I think there are many different kinds of people liking Yuri. Some believe that men who like yuri, just like women who like yaoi and boys love, are confronting with their (sometimes forced) heterosexuality and trying to find refuge in yuri/BL sanctuary. There are women who like yuri too (and probably Naoko Yamada in KyoAni is at least sympathetic to yuri as a theme [see Yu-Azusa in K-On!, and Midori in Tamako Loves Story/Market]), because of the existing socially enforced sexuality (ideas of virginity, chastity, big-tits, big-penis, men conquering women, etc); Yuri is a means to question that enforced order. "Men who like yuri, like women who like yaoi are confronting with their heterosexuality and trying to find refuge in yuri/BL." So people who like yuri are confronting their forced heterosexuality? This kind of makes sense, but I do think it's a pretty big leap in logic to say that men who like yuri are slightly confused about their own sexuality. "There are women who like yuri too." I think that makes sense. They could be bi. Kind of like guys who like BL/Yaoi. "Yuri is a means to question that enforced order." No. I completely disagree. You're putting yuri on a pedastal. It's nowhere near that. It's a fetish men have and relatable for actual lesbians... hopefully. I mean it's not made by lesbians, but a bunch of men with questionable sexuality, so I don't know if lesbians actually relate to yuri or also just like it as a fetish. Wow, that's so baseless. I'm a straight guy and pretty much all of my favorite authors (Jin Takemiya, Amano Shuninta, Morinaga Milk, Morishima Akiko, and so on) are women that are into women themselves. It's just a different kind of romance with different tropes so it speaks to different fan bases. And honestly, assuming that all yuri fans are lesbians, bi women or men with lesbian fetishes or sexual insecurities is just really ignorant and stupid. |
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| I like this. I like that the conductor decided to show the group that one player was clearly better. Even though they realized it they had trouble acknowledging it because they're teenagers and they have a favorite. I just like the writing. As someone who plays the violin, I know that some people are just better and sometimes they're much younger. While it is important to practice for an audition, sometimes it's the years of practice that came before that matters, not the week of cramming. |
| Low personal standards for how you spend your free time? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPoucb2tAbI&index=1&list=PLBs9zRxK-93550LTq7tZqT1FOe1j7WVOP You could do worse. Not much, but still... |
OriginalGengar said: ....... men with lesbian fetishes. But.... "lesbians" is the most search word/tag in porn websites. Pretty much men enjoys it. Men might as well search google with "yuri" + "hentai". Why artists makes yuri doujinshis with erotic and sexual content? For general both men and women alike? Anyway, I'll never be amazed if a doujinshi will come out having this two girls doing each other. By the way, hey, I saw you in dynasty!!! hehehe |
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| There's also yuri that isn't porn. I don't see your point. |
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| I wont fall for this bait again, KyoAni! I admit I can't help but take that bait though. It's just too damn tasty T_T |
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OriginalGengar said: There's also yuri that isn't porn. I don't see your point. My point is that majority of yuri fans are men, and there is such a men fetish called yuri. They may not address that (in denial), coz it gives a bad impression for them. They may say they purely like them together, actually it gives them a boner... |
#CHEXIT |
Imeon said: My point is that majority of yuri fans are men, and there is such a men fetish called yuri. They may not address that (in denial), coz it gives a bad impression for them. They may say they purely like them together, actually it gives them a boner... Hope you enjoy being wrong. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_Yuri_Hime How about not viewing everyone through the same lens you frame yourself, people are different. |
MelonMilk said: Imeon said: My point is that majority of yuri fans are men, and there is such a men fetish called yuri. They may not address that (in denial), coz it gives a bad impression for them. They may say they purely like them together, actually it gives them a boner... Hope you enjoy being wrong. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_Yuri_Hime How about not viewing everyone through the same lens you frame yourself, people are different. Seriously, wikipedia? C'mon. Is that even being updated? It didn't changed for like a 5 years. With a lot of yuri in hentai doujinshis now a days... You can't really claim I'm wrong, nor you're right. |
#CHEXIT |
Imeon said: OriginalGengar said: There's also yuri that isn't porn. I don't see your point. My point is that majority of yuri fans are men, and there is such a men fetish called yuri. They may not address that (in denial), coz it gives a bad impression for them. They may say they purely like them together, actually it gives them a boner... I don't know where you pull your points from, but if this poll in the yuri & shoujo-ai club is anything to go by, you're wrong, regarding the MAL fanbase, at least. (of course, small sample size) |
Lollo36Jun 22, 2015 12:34 AM
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| I think Hibike! Euphonium would win the Most Ridiculous Thread Award for Spring 2015 in MAL with a landslide if there was any. Good job, ore! Good job, minna! |
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| Wow, Yuuko is the actual worst. Thank goodness Reina is still playing the solo. |
shanimebib said: I think Hibike! Euphonium would win the Most Ridiculous Thread Award for Spring 2015 in MAL with a landslide if there was any. Good job, ore! Good job, minna! The last episode's thread will destroy this subforum, I'm expecting 1000 replies at the very least. |
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Imeon said: OriginalGengar said: There's also yuri that isn't porn. I don't see your point. My point is that majority of yuri fans are men, and there is such a men fetish called yuri. They may not address that (in denial), coz it gives a bad impression for them. They may say they purely like them together, actually it gives them a boner... [...] With a lot of yuri in hentai doujinshis now a days... You can't really claim I'm wrong, nor you're right. So by that logic, every fan of het romance only watches and reads romance because they imagine themselves having sex with the female main love interest. And every fan of het romance is really into rape, based on all the porn that's floating around the internet. But I guess I shouldn't doubt you since you clearly know more about yuri and its fan base than its actual fan base. I also guess your imagination is a better place to search for facts than Wikipedia is. Seriously though, using porn as your only argument and then saying that an actual poll cited fairly regularly by the publisher is not a viable source is pretty ridiculous. You do realize that pretty much 99% of all porn and hentai in general is aimed at males, right? So it's not really the best place to look for female readership percentages. |
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| The audition was well done, I personally felt nervous for the two of them. I was surprised that only about four club members contributed to the "vote", I suppose most of them were too afraid to take a side. Personally, I can't understand how Yuuko had the audacity to ask Reina for such a favour, but she did. Thankfully Reina ended up with the solo part, as it should be. |
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| One can never truly know what someone is hiding under their skin. And I love how this episodes tried to portray that life isn't as cruel as it seems and that Taki-sensei has Kaori's feelings in consideration. IMO, I didn't think Kaori was given a choice in the matter. Try putting yourselves in her shoes, your having an audition, and you are being compared side to side to a clearly superior trumpet player. You played your part, majority of the crowd gives support cause they know you and some of them are your friends. Then, Reina starts playing, and you along with everyone else in the hall instantly knows, that you have been outclassed and outplayed by Reina. But she doesn't receive much votes due to bias in the crowd. You won the audition. Then, Taki-sensei asked if you wanted to play the solo part. You are given the chance to play the solo part and you want to play the solo part. But you aren't given a choice, taking in the pros and cons into consideration it would be bad if you decide to take the solo part, even if you want it badly because: - All pressure to win gold for the tournament is going to be put on you -If the team wins, that all will be fine and happy - If the team loses, you are most likely to be blamed because everyone knows that the solo part could have been done MUCH MUCH BETTER. - If Reina takes the solo,Win or Lose, the results pretty much doesn't matter, because everyone knows if they lose the tournament with Reina as solo, they know that they did everything that they could. And as of Yuuko, I can't bring myself to hate her, and this is coming me here. I am usually quick to jump in the bandwagon of hate, but after seeing what she tried to do for her beloved sempai, I could not help but to just feel sad and sorry for her. TLDR ; Kaori was never given a choice, she was merely given an illusion of it. |
| Its 420 out there somewhere. |
EeveeRain said: . . . snip . . . Personally, I can't understand how Yuuko had the audacity to ask Reina for such a favour, but she did. Thankfully Reina ended up with the solo part, as it should be. Why can Kuniko 'love' Reina so dearly to vow friendship to the 'death', but Yuuko is not allowed to 'love' Kaori so dearly that Yuuko will 'kill' her own dignity for Kaori's sake? |
Scarm said: EeveeRain said: . . . snip . . . Personally, I can't understand how Yuuko had the audacity to ask Reina for such a favour, but she did. Thankfully Reina ended up with the solo part, as it should be. Why can Kuniko 'love' Reina so dearly to vow friendship to the 'death', but Yuuko is not allowed to 'love' Kaori so dearly that Yuuko will 'kill' her own dignity for Kaori's sake? EeveeRain didn't say anything about Reina or Kumiko though. I don't really understand why you are jumping on that post specifically when she didn't even make a comparison. |
GarLogan78 said: EeveeRain didn't say anything about Reina or Kumiko though. I don't really understand why you are jumping on that post specifically when she didn't even make a comparison. * Respectfully * I thought the comparison needed to be made. I'm not comparing the intent, but compare the intensity. Intent: Kuniko protects Reina from the perceived negative emotions of the band. Yuuko protects Kaori's last opportunities. Intensity: Both have an irrational level of commitment. Kuniko appears to be ready to throw away all of her other friends for Reina. Yuuko is ready to throw away her dignity for Kaori. I'm not 'jumping' on anyone. If the tone was harsh, that was not the intent. I was addressing a point, not attacking a person. That should have been clear. “ how Yuuko had the audacity to ask Reina for such a favor, “ Because Yuuko cares for Kaori as much as Kuniko cares for Reina. The brevity of my comment was fear no one wants to see another text wall. [Edit] This was to highlight the complexity of the story. Both sides of all of these conflicts have reasonable elements. [Edit] Name confusion. and my proof reading skill are crap. |
MelatoninJun 23, 2015 9:17 AM
Scarm said: Intent: Kumiko protects Reina from the perceived negative emotions of the band. Yuuko protects Kaori's last opportunities. Intensity: Both have an irrational level of commitment. Kumiko appears to be ready to throw away all of her other friends for Reina. Yuuko is ready to throw away her dignity for Kaori. +1. Seems like there are only few of us. Thank you for reflecting what I said about Yuuko and her dedication for Kaori-senpai in one of my earlier posts in this episode discussion thread. I would also like to add that Yuuko's intention has stronger basis to be supported than Kumiko's. Kumiko is enchanted by Reina's personality. While Yuuko's dedication comes from the admiration of a person who is honest and admirable but most importantly someone who did something similar for her sake (bowing to seniors for her kouhai, which Yuuko witnessed herself). Biased fans will be biased. |
shanimebibJun 22, 2015 4:25 PM
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| Just got back from 4chan and looking at Euphonium's sale's numbers. Yeah. It's selling terribly. |
TitanAnteus said: Just got back from 4chan and looking at Euphonium's sale's numbers. Yeah. It's selling terribly. Most studios would be very happy with Eupho's sales, but it's below average by Kyoani's standards. The chances of a second season are dwindling, though :( |
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Lollo36 said: TitanAnteus said: Just got back from 4chan and looking at Euphonium's sale's numbers. Yeah. It's selling terribly. Most studios would be very happy with Eupho's sales, but it's below average by Kyoani's standards. The chances of a second season are dwindling, though :( Most studios would put their lot up for sale and book a destination in Paradise Island for a year with that number. Jokes aside, I was expecting the numbers between 8K to 10K so it's a bit downer since it's my favourite show of the season. But I am still glad with the numbers. It's FAR from terrible but below average for KyoAni. Personally I think it's their best TV anime since Hyouka in 2012 (ofc excluding TLS which was a movie.) |
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shanimebib said: Lollo36 said: Most studios would be very happy with Eupho's sales, but it's below average by Kyoani's standards. The chances of a second season are dwindling, though :( Most studios would put their lot up for sale and book a destination in Paradise Island for a year with that number. Jokes aside, I was expecting the numbers between 8K to 10K so it's a bit downer since it's my favourite show of the season. But I am still glad with the numbers. It's FAR from terrible but below average for KyoAni. Personally I think it's their best TV anime since Hyouka in 2012 (ofc excluding TLS which was a movie.) You're right. It isn't terrible. It's just not good by KyoAni standards. I like Hyouka so much more it's not funny, but I don't hate Euph. |
| The sales aren't particularly great but not much below expectations neither. A lot of expectations when the season started were around 3000-4000 and it was shaping up around that number until 8. |
TitanAnteus said: Just got back from 4chan and looking at Euphonium's sale's numbers. Yeah. It's selling terribly. /a/ is /v/-tier retarded in terms of sales. Almost 7k are great sales. |
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| Sorry loyalist Yuuko...even if you cried...it clearly shows that Kousaka is the deserving one and the better player. At least Kaori admitted that she won't and can't play the solo. YEAH OVERTHROWN!!! Oh DAT Yuri close face scene of Kumiko x Reina! 6/5. |
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kurikinton said: Ririka said:  is kyoani trolling us? as always ...It's not good to see this. It makes me ship even more. Best result, Kaori herself chosed that she couldn't make it better than Reina. Reina has best support :D I can hear that Reina's trumpet playing sounds more intense and monotonic. |
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skreyola said: Lollo36 said: That was a confession of love, they couldn't have been more explicit about it. If Kyoani was just trolling us, they crossed the limit. I was willing to forgive them for the rest of the harmless yuri bait, but this episode was as gay as it gets. At the very least, Kumiko confessed her love for Reina, there were no yuri goggles involved. If Reina still likes the teacher, I'm fine with it, but if Kumiko turns out to be straight in the nex episode, Hibike will become a shittier show. Um, you guys, she was saying: "This audition is a confession of your love for Taki-sensei, so do your best." Nope, that's out of the context if you're gonna listen to the actual conversation in Japanese. She's referring to the episode where Reina said something about a declaration of love. still yuribait tho |
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| Man, when Reina started playing...it had such a rich sound. It was a huge wake up call to the band who was obviously more skilled between the two, to the point that no one can argue now that even Kaori has admitted to her defeat. It's interesting how Taki has been leaving the decisions in the hands of the students, which unintentionally shows how misguided they are at times. It's ironic how the second audition was essentially a chance for the students to play favorites as well, since if they had their way they would have chosen the less skilled of the two players despite knowing who was better. |
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| It was great to hear the different tunes on Kaori and Reina who played with more power and variance The scene between Kumiko and Reina was gold |
| LOL KyoAni still trolling the yuri fans during this episode. |
| Salmon is delicious. |
| Wait wut is this a Yuri anime? Great episode and the outcome was pretty obvious. That yuri scene though! |
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kawaii-despair said: Maerow said: I came here only to say this.Ribbon's tears are delicious. me too |
| what was up with this audition? It seemed like nobody wanted to make a decision at all. That was like 5 people clapping... At least Kaori made the right decision which she should have done from the beginning. It's just that one girl that can't let it go after all and it doesn't even concern her in the first place. |
| Such an impactful audition! I agree, Kousaka deserves to get that solo. Through my ears I can tell her solo was great. |
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boukendesho said: Can resident musicians speak about the relative performance of Reina vs Kaori? Even though I think Reina won , I don't really trust my ears all that much, as Kaori doesn't sound too bad. I.e. did Reina blow Kaori away, or was it a much tightly contested audition? Granted this is from what I heard on my computer via headphones and recorded (always different compared if you hear live). Kaori played "by the book" as it were. Simply doing what the sheet music required. Kaori wasn't bad at all. Reina played the solo as Reina, if that's an understandable way to put it, so it did blow Kaori away. |
HeavensC said: They should have kissed T.T Great episode :D I know right? ;~; |
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