Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works (TV) 2nd Season Episode 9 Discussion

Raziel1991 said:


If you have not read the VN you cannot make that judgement. This episode for example was filled with stupid anime original content that was not in the VN like for example Shirou blocking rains of giant swords.

Guilek said:

Too busy trying to break Shirou's minds and admiring Shirou's eyes.

Forgetfulness said:
No. Fate/Zero and Fate/stay night adaptation comparisons aren't very good

Fate/Zero is a novel that is written basically as one complete story. Also, it's 3rd person POV so you get to know about every Master a bit but none of them in huge detail.
I think Kara no Kyoukai is similar

The Fate/stay night visual novel depends on the choices that Shirou makes in all three routes to be really great, not just in one route. Also, it's first person POV; what Shirou thinks and decides throughout the story is like the most important part of the series, and obviously the anime won't be able to match that unless we have a loooot more monologues

IMO, the VN is far superior to the other works and I think that is the opinion of most people who have went through all of them; if you want to make a comparison, go read through the VN yourself if you have the time

ijuka said:

Personally I don't think the VN version would have made a whole lot of sense, especially as it was mostly abstract things that you wouldn't have understood if you were watching it(And it didn't make that much sense either).

ijuka said:

Personally I don't think the VN version would have made a whole lot of sense, especially as it was mostly abstract things that you wouldn't have understood if you were watching it(And it didn't make that much sense either).

ijuka said:
Okay, I can't help but agree that the stuff after the fight was really bad, but anyway just how long were you expecting Answer to drag on for? It's a 30min scene and it probably took as long in the anime when normally it's cut to 1/4 of the original duration.

The part of Answer that this episode still had left to adapt lasted approximately 7 minutes in the VN. You expected an entire episode dedicated to that? Please.

CookingPriest said:


It would be okay had they not halfassed shirou into a generic characterless blank slate for last 17+ episodes.

Halfassing this important moment then would be forgivable, because viewer should understand Shirou's ideology AND mentality by the time of "we are two different people after all" already.

Since Shirou is blank slate John "mCTrousers" Doe in anime, this kind of treatment is unforgivable and just adds to the problem.

Raziel1991 said:


Even so, they could have atleast done something that makes sense. Shirou blocking a rain of huge swords with just a half broken kanshou makes this show look dumb and cringe worthy.

Eylandos said:
Gonna have to call bullshit on Shirou surviving. Archer could summon a bunch of swords and yet only 2 or 3 at a time were being projected at him. Why didn't 12 or more go at him at the same time?

Insertanamehere said:
Ah well, I guess we can't have two good episodes in a row.
will rate after subs and shizz

Eylandos said:
If he was going to convince Shirou was wrong and break his spirit, why did he say fuck it and start launching swords at Shirou?

Also the idea of convincing someone that is you and that you yourself know won't break is pointless. He himself knows how strong Shirou's spirit is, he exchanged clashes with him in both sword and idealogy in the past before the fight.

EmphaticPikachu said:

you know, that could probably be explained by just how broken Archer's resolve is becoming. They've implied/stated multiple times that if your spirit is weak, your projection is too. No matter how "big" archer's projections look, if he's not really feeling it, they'll suck. He's also pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel for mana, so

that said, I do agree that some of the ways the stuff was done here was just plain out weird. There are other ways they could have done that scene, so many other ways. UBW being changed was really the best thing about this episode, so many other ways...

Forgetfulness said:
Alright episode I guess. Well they did give Shirou's answer, but I'm pretty sure retarded secondaries are still going to not get the point. They might have been able to emphasize it a little more

Second half wasn't bad.
(I imagine it's confusing as fuck though)

Kolios said:


Because Archer wasn't really trying? Archer's inner monologue point that out.

Voltning said:
Archer lost and died. now shinji finally dies and turns into the Grail?
Well things are heating up and I wonder what is going to happen next.

Eylandos said:
If he was going to convince Shirou was wrong and break his spirit, why did he say fuck it and start launching swords at Shirou?

Also the idea of convincing someone that is you and that you yourself know won't break mentally is pointless. He himself knows how strong Shirou's spirit is because he exchanged clashes with him in both sword and idealogy in the past before the fight. What was the utter point of all this if he was going to abandon breaking his spirit in the first place?

Eylandos said:


No don't give me that half assed answer. Guy wasn't trying in the beginning, has Shirou at death's door, Shirou gets revived, Shirou gets more powerful with each blow and the fight got serious. Archer gritting his teeth and having sweat beads on his head shows that it wasn't easy mode anymore.

Kolios said:
The only thing that's half assed is your ability to comprehend.

ANGRY2011 said:


The goal of Archer breaking Shirou's spirit is to try and eliminate his past self as completely as possible, since it isn't guaranteed in the slightest that killing his past self would remove his current self from existence. So he tries to completely eradicate his past self in body and mind, to make the most impact possible and hope that it will suffice - as well as proving himself right.

Instead of Archer breaking Shirou's spirit, however, Shirou breaks Archer's spirit in the end, which is why UBW begins to fall apart (though there was no UBW in the VN here) and Archer doesn't finish the job even when he definitely could have killed Shirou.

So it isn't so much Archer abandoned his goal, so much as Shirou broke him, which then resulted in that.

cupc said:
wow

WrongPriest said:


That's actually a good point, the Giant swords looked foreboding but they literally just disappeared from a swing. I thought it was them being cheapo but I totally forgot about that.

Well spotted.

iNoto-san said:


I know right? I'm excited as hell :D I wonder who will win! Saber vs Gilgamesh! Fighto!

Thank god that shiinji died, i couldn't bear his character at all. Archer rip t_t one of my fav characters.

I doubt gilgamesh will be able to kill shirou, he has avalon and if he's around rin and saber, he'll be fine ! Limited immortality sorta lol.

5/5!

WrongPriest said:


Also as Pikachu pointed out above once his spirit is weakened his projections become hollow just like Shirou's were. He can't maintain them.

That's why his projected armaments shattered against Shirou's.

EmphaticPikachu said:

you know, that could probably be explained by just how broken Archer's resolve is becoming. They've implied/stated multiple times that if your spirit is weak, your projection is too. No matter how "big" archer's projections look, if he's not really feeling it, they'll suck. He's also pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel for mana, so

that said, I do agree that some of the ways the stuff was done here was just plain out weird. There are other ways they could have done that scene, so many other ways. UBW being changed was really the best thing about this episode, so many other ways...

CookingPriest said:



Good thing anime explained that....
...
oh wait.

FanEu said:
Could it be that they source material just isn't that great?

I mean VN readers say that every adaption sucked (be it Deen or Ufotable's) that they didn't do the VN justice etc.

I can't help but think that the VN isn't just that great or even if it is that it doesn't translate well into the anime medium

Especially since Ufotable adapted Fate/Zero and Kara no Kyoukai very well

Raziel1991 said:


Yes, its funny how the anime explained absolutely nothing about projection.

Insertanamehere said:

Yeah ok so way less shit with subs thankfully, they did Answer better-ish.

Raziel1991 said:


Yes, its funny how the anime explained absolutely nothing about projection.

cupc said:
I loved the fight choreography in this episode

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Insertanamehere said:

It was alright, I still have some problems with the Answer scene but the message was there for most part, I think. The whole projected swords and giant swords was still dumb, as well as Shirou somehow getting some kind of power up compared to;

It is an unbelievable technique.* "Nu!?" His attacking body is on the verge of death. His fingers are broken, his limbs are slashed, and his breathing has stopped without him even realizing it. His speed is nothing, and his attack is mediocre. The boy that has absorbed his combat skills to the point where he's able to fight decently, has now returned to fighting without them. An unskilled, frantic attack.
...But still...
This blow is heavier than any that came before.

Those words are driven into his chest.
An attack made at full strength, defense that should have been fast enough…
The cogwheels never got into gear and the battle is decided quickly.

And they missed Gil explaining the Grails purpose as a gate to the origin, and for some reason said he doesn't know what the creators intended. Ah well, at least they did the bit about his hate for the modern world and whatnot right.

And lol they change random unnecessary things but they couldn't change this silly Gil leaving scene. Just make the fire or castle collapse more intense damn.

No arms scene with Shinji, boo. And lol, physically smashing his stomach for a spiritual operation.

Magic crest and dolphin transfer whyyyy

Mickdrew said:

Shitty fireworks

Mickdrew said:

Shitty fireworks

Kolios said:


The whole point was for Archer to break Shirou's spirit. He wasn't trying to kill him physically.

The only thing that's half assed is your ability to comprehend.

EDIT: In your other post you said Archer saw Shirou resisting but he did almost break him in the last epsiode. That is evidence enough for Archer to try and continue.

Vanisher said:
So gilgamesh is supposed to leave because the mansion was crumbling (obvious plot armor)? that looked retarded.

Insertanamehere said:

I'd say it's good choreography, actually, as compared to some of their sfx fests a la Saber vs Berserker and about as good as Lancer vs Archer, too bad it's in an inappropriate place.