| So you guys are legitimately considering Precures now? Huh... Lol @ Ducat catching their bug haha, interesting. I should get around to them soon, I started Fresh I think it was, but so far it isn't doing much for me, the first episode of Heartcatch I saw was pretty intriguing though. |
AngelsArcanum said: So you guys are legitimately considering Precures now? Huh... Lol @ Ducat catching their bug haha, interesting. I should get around to them soon, I started Fresh I think it was, but so far it isn't doing much for me, the first episode of Heartcatch I saw was pretty intriguing though. HC is generally considered the best Precure season and it really shows. +1 for Heartcatch. Basically a mahou shoujo done right in every way possible. |
cure_tommy said: HC is generally considered the best Precure season and it really shows. Yeah, that seems to be the consensus from you guys I've seen lol, but I'm surprised this nomination is sprouting up now when you guys were talking about it much earlier. |
| I waited with the nomination until Nid and Ducat had finished the show, to get their opinion on it. But yeah, we have been considering it for much longer. |
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| +1 for heartcatch, something I should have put down months ago |
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| After recently watching the entire franchise, I have to wonder: Is there a particular reason, why Crest of the Stars is the only part of it on the e-list, when the subsequent two Banner seasons are just as good or even better and direct sequels? |
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Ventris said: After recently watching the entire franchise, I have to wonder: Is there a particular reason, why Crest of the Stars is the only part of it on the e-list, when the subsequent two Banner seasons are just as good or even better and direct sequels? Mostly because not a lot of people have watched the Banner sequels. Crest is on it for the character dynamics, that much I'm sure. But I also heard that Banner contains the actual meat of the series. Maybe if more people watched it, we'd have the whole franchise in. |
| Well I have watched them so it cant be that few I havent watched all that many anime. I would vote for them, but I dont remember specifics to be able to form an argument. Its been a looong time but I do remember they where really great. Also apparently I havent watched the 2005 OVA. Should get to that. |
| I'm a little mixed on Hunter x Hunter (2011) at the moment, after given 4 days of recollection over its quality. It's definitely a good series, a very good series. I might give it a bit more thought, but assure a vote from me soon. |
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Quixotes_Solace said: I'm a little mixed on Hunter x Hunter (2011) at the moment, after given 4 days of recollection over its quality. It's definitely a good series, a very good series. I might give it a bit more thought, but assure a vote from me soon. Well it's prepared for the polling stage already, so you don't need to +/- it now, you got lots of time to contemplate option 1 or 2 for when the poll comes. |
| Update time! [*]Promoted to Purgatory: Heartcatch Precure [*]Polling Dates Scheduled: Erin, Gundam: War in the Pocket, Ping Pong, Hunter x Hunter, Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2199 |
| +1 Area 88 Ova -1 Seto no Hanayome +1 Brigadoon Question time. I know it have been an earlier topic, but I'll ask anyway. This is regarding Tetsuwan Birdy Decode. If the first season isn't approved to be e-list, is it possible for the second season to be approved? |
TehSkullkid said: +1 Brigadoon Question time. I know it have been an earlier topic, but I'll ask anyway. This is regarding Tetsuwan Birdy Decode. If the first season isn't approved to be e-list, is it possible for the second season to be approved? Hmm...Brigadoon seems to be getting a fair amount of support. If it gets to polling I'll at least be curious as to what the appeal is for you guys, but it didn't click with me. As for Birdy, I believe it was tackled before that someone just nominated 02 without 01 and people were unsure if they should induct it if 01 was included. I personally would give -1 either way; 02 was solid but not INCREDIBLE and obviously 01 is a bit weak(er) but it has some nice areas, and I think 02 needs a bit of context as far as I recall, so it might not totally stand on its own well. |
AngelsArcanum said: @AngelsTehSkullkid said: +1 Brigadoon Question time. I know it have been an earlier topic, but I'll ask anyway. This is regarding Tetsuwan Birdy Decode. If the first season isn't approved to be e-list, is it possible for the second season to be approved? Hmm...Brigadoon seems to be getting a fair amount of support. If it gets to polling I'll at least be curious as to what the appeal is for you guys, but it didn't click with me. As for Birdy, I believe it was tackled before that someone just nominated 02 without 01 and people were unsure if they should induct it if 01 was included. I personally would give -1 either way; 02 was solid but not INCREDIBLE and obviously 01 is a bit weak(er) but it has some nice areas, and I think 02 needs a bit of context as far as I recall, so it might not totally stand on its own well. Don't take this personally, but Brigadoon is a hard one to really describe its value if you haven't watched a lot of anime or read a lot of manga. It has many elements to it that really turns off a lot of casual viewers, or viewers with lesser experience in the medium. Sure there is exceptions but it is a strange one. |
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Quixotes_Solace said: AngelsArcanum said: @AngelsHmm...Brigadoon seems to be getting a fair amount of support. If it gets to polling I'll at least be curious as to what the appeal is for you guys, but it didn't click with me. As for Birdy, I believe it was tackled before that someone just nominated 02 without 01 and people were unsure if they should induct it if 01 was included. I personally would give -1 either way; 02 was solid but not INCREDIBLE and obviously 01 is a bit weak(er) but it has some nice areas, and I think 02 needs a bit of context as far as I recall, so it might not totally stand on its own well. Don't take this personally, but Brigadoon is a hard one to really describe its value if you haven't watched a lot of anime or read a lot of manga. It has many elements to it that really turns off a lot of casual viewers, or viewers with lesser experience in the medium. Sure there is exceptions but it is a strange one. That has me curious of what actual intrinsic value there is I may be missing. Is it some kind of revelatory thing that would become clear had I watched a substantive amount of anime or...? I won't take your comment to heart of course, I don't feel offended, I'm just kind of both intrigued and eluded by some lurking depth that could be had in there and your equally vague comment where you say you can't properly quantify it, it all has me bewildered. What I got from it was an eclectic genre mashup which was almost immediately apparent as I was watching knowing Hideyuki Kurata was doing the screenplay for the series (that's what drew me to it in the first place). It seems a lot of his works revolve around throwing a crap load of genres together for something unique and bizarre, and actually that's part of what made me love R.O.D the TV so much whereas I felt this to be of a similar vein but weaker in my book. Contrarily it seems you weren't too fond of R.O.D the TV though lol, so it has me wondering if it is a matter of different shades of gray too perhaps (?) But then I'm pretty sure we can all agree that Samurai Flamenco was probably the worst of that kind of trademark style, I mean, what the hell was going on there!? Kurata dropped the ball majorly there. He also has Now and Then, Here and There as a claim to fame too but others seem to appreciate that one more than me, and lastly, Kamichu looks rather fun, but I haven't really dug into that one yet. |
AngelsArcanumNov 6, 2014 4:43 AM
| All right, it's been on my mind for a while and I'd like to bring up the mysterious case of Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun. This is a weird anime in regards to enlightenment, because while I wouldn't really give it the Enlightening label, there isn't a single person I haven't recommended it to. This harks way back to when we were all in a tizzy over what is and isn't enlightening. In my heart of hearts, I don't think i would put it on the E-list, but I still would like to hear people's thoughts on it. |
| I would put it on the list. I dont think the enlightment list needs to be enlightening per se. I mean seriously how many of us can truly say they have been enlightened by even one of the anime on the list? Enlightement is a heavy word. Not something an anime can achieve for everyone or Id say even the majority. But nobody here thinks of the enlightement list that way, my idea is that the club sees it as a list of very good anime that also have some deeper meaning or a message of sorts. I think thats a bit unfair towards really great anime that simply dont have a message or hidden deepness. Just plain good anime. This probably hits comedy anime more. Like Gekkan Shojo Nozaki-kun. I think we could very well include anime that dont have a deep meaning or message to the list, that are simply excellent at what they do be it something simple as making the viewer laugh. We could make some additional rule for anime like that, for example it coul need 66% or 75% or more of the votes to account for subjectivity problems especially when it comes to comedy. But it just kinda irks me the wrong way when people say they absolutely loved an anime and thinks its great but woulnt see it on the e-list simply for not having a message or deeper meaning alone. Now that said it all depends on what the club wants the e-list to be."Enlightening" or simply a list of anime you could recommend to anyone and consider to be the best of their kind. Altough as a huge comedy fan I may be biased on the subject matter. Either way, thats my take on it. |
| I wouldn't worry about that. |
| Nozaki-kun is rather funny, but I mean the characters are still rather underdeveloped in this short adaptation and it ends on one of the most cliched "there's a romance that will bud but go read the manga for more" kinda ends. The manga development aspect is a bit too thrown together and kind of temperamental with how it is kind of a melange of things all over their environment each day that comes off as a bit formulaic in a way for its role in the story and humour. There's nothing really EXEMPLARY about Nozaki-kun, it's just a nice comedy recommendation in my book. The manga creation bit was poorly articulated I find, my apologies but I hope it kind of makes sense, I'm just writing this while I'm at my anime club watching stuff. |
| +1 Kuuchu Buranko Very good artsy-fartsy show with an unusual narrative structure. |
| We actually polled Kuuchuu Buranko a while ago. Unfortunately it just barely didn't make it. |
| You would have to bring it up in the repoll thread. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=751433 |
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Swordnoob said: Ah, no.Don't think so either (it's the best anime in years after all), but still. Can't help but worry eh. Sure, Ping Pong is definitely a great anime, but it is by no means the only great anime that we have had in years. |
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Swordnoob said: On topic: how did Kuuchuu Buranko not make it -__- Trapeze is an absolute masterpiece I probably would've if it had a stronger ending. The final episode was weaker than the episode before it. And while other shows like Mushishi s1 can get away with that, Kuuchuu Buranko couldn't. But hey, it had my vote. :/ |
| Mushishi S1 ending was pretty good |
| Am I the only one who really didn't like Mushishi S1's final episode? I thought it was one of the most drab, distancing and unfocused stories of the series and I was a tad irked that it went out on such a dry last note, but then I was ecstatic when they announced they were adapting the rest but yet I'm still far behind (although it's really because I want to rewatch it all start to finish). |
AngelsArcanum said: Am I the only one who really didn't like Mushishi S1's final episode? I thought it was one of the most drab, distancing and unfocused stories of the series and I was a tad irked that it went out on such a dry last note, but then I was ecstatic when they announced they were adapting the rest but yet I'm still far behind (although it's really because I want to rewatch it all start to finish). I don't think I'd go as far as you, but it definitely was one of the tamer episodes in the season. Which is a shame since s1 packed a lot of outstanding episodes. Also, on a slightly related note, Mushishi Zoku Shou's final episode was one of the most fantastic episodes of Mushishi that I've seen. |
Ducat_RevelNov 7, 2014 8:30 AM
| I didn't really like the last episode of Mushishi S1 either. What was really strange to me was that I was finishing Kino's Journey at the same time, and oddly enough they both used a volcano in their final episodes. Maybe Mushishi's ending just didn't seem good by comparison, since Kino's ending is one of my favorite endings, but it came across a little more fatalistic and overall just kind of pointless compared to the rest of the show. I don't really remember the reasons why Kuuchuu Buranko didn't make it. I'd have to read the negative votes again. I can maybe think of a couple but overall I thought it was a strong enough series to be on the list. |
Ducat_Revel said: Swordnoob said: On topic: how did Kuuchuu Buranko not make it -__- Trapeze is an absolute masterpiece I probably would've if it had a stronger ending. The final episode was weaker than the episode before it. And while other shows like Mushishi s1 can get away with that, Kuuchuu Buranko couldn't. how come? the final episode even include all the patients enjoying themselves, able to cope with their disorder and such. giving a nice closure on what they have overcome and how they fare daily post-therapy. |
belmNov 7, 2014 8:21 PM
| If I can add my 2 Cents, I'd make a pitch for Kemonozume, unless it's already been considered (I just discovered that this group exists). |
SarcotarascusN said: If I can add my 2 Cents, I'd make a pitch for Kemonozume, unless it's already been considered (I just discovered that this group exists). You can either vote for or against it reaching polling stage with the chance to be inducted to the Enlightenment list, with a requirement of 8 total votes to get to that point. However, if there are 5 or more negative votes without a great influx of positive votes to outweigh it within a short time, it loses its chance (obviously it should have 5 or more positive votes within those 8 to get to polling). As I say this, it would seem the nomination has been removed (presumably due to inactivity), so you're welcome to try and nominate it again, but I'm pretty sure you need to have a bit of an argument for the series when making a nomination (not 100% certain, but maybe just to be safe). Sadly, I am in the opposing camp for Kemonozume, but don't let my lone vote discourage you from making a nomination. |
| hmmm Well, it's been another month. I hereby nominate Hikaru no Go for the enlightenment list. Now this is a strange one, I honestly don't expect it to get onto the list, but it has many values that can redeem it from being unremarkable (honestly, I have some problems with the series later on in the show) but other than that it is an inspiring and addictive series with extremely subtle elements to it surrounding the actual game play of "Go" and it manages to build some interesting relationships between the characters through this competitive sport. There is a reason why it has a cult following in Japan and even popularized the game "Go" in Japan and even in Korea and China. I feel that it is worthy of some debate over its potential enlightenment/remarkability. |
JodyqtNov 19, 2014 4:15 AM
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mugi said: Lol, you think me naive to say such a grand claim without a base?Quixotes_Solace said: There is a reason why it has a cult following in Japan and even popularized the game "Go" in Japan and even in Korea and China. Lol I wouldn't go that far. Go was already played by a massive amount of people in asia since forever. But I started playing after reading some chapter of Hikaru no Go in a magazine and have a go table. But no one to play with... Granted it has very little to do with whether or not the show is remarkable or not. Saint Seiya was quite influential as well, and it is borderline hilariously bad. |
JodyqtNov 19, 2014 6:57 AM
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| I've read most of the manga for Hikaru no Go, and if the anime is of the same quality, I would say that yes it is very good, but I don't think it's E-list. |
ForgoneReality said: Yeah, as I said in my opening statement I don't think it will make it to the list, but I think it is worthy of some discussion.I've read most of the manga for Hikaru no Go, and if the anime is of the same quality, I would say that yes it is very good, but I don't think it's E-list. |
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ForgoneReality said: I've read most of the manga for Hikaru no Go, and if the anime is of the same quality, I would say that yes it is very good, but I don't think it's E-list. The anime ends earlier than the manga, but to its benefit really. I read into the manga's ending and it was quite half-assed and corny, but the anime ends on a very introspective note it would seem, so it stresses how important Hikaru's journey was and how much he has grown, etc. I guess I'll put it in the spoiler tag just to clarify: |
AngelsArcanumNov 19, 2014 9:46 AM
| I'll be back to dish out my thoughts on Kemonozume more fully when I have a bit more time (sorry, it takes me a very long time to figure my thoughts out). I might also come back with arguments for NieA_7 and Uta Koi when I do.... |
SarcotarascusN said: I've never heard of that first one, but apparently it's pronounced "Nia Under Seven," for those who were curious.I might also come back with arguments for NieA_7 and Uta Koi when I do.... |
| NieA Under 7 is a nice charming show, it feels like a rougher Haibane Renmei, and some of the featured antics are quite a novelty when it comes to anime (one of the episodes has characters smoking marijuana). But I doubt it would make it on the E-list, since it's really a love-hate type of show, the atmosphere that the show establishes probably contributing most to it, and it seems as if people are evenly distributed on both sides. |
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| Even though I like NieA_7, I felt a bit disappointed after finishing it. It was nice, but not anything special to me. I feel that it would have been better if the creators had made it more serious. While the comedy was OK, it were the serious moments that made me really appreciate the series. |
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AlabastreAizo said: SarcotarascusN said: I've never heard of that first one, but apparently it's pronounced "Nia Under Seven," for those who were curious.I might also come back with arguments for NieA_7 and Uta Koi when I do.... You've really never heard of it? Wow, it's name is tossed around an adequate amount in the West and I've known about it for years but never seen it; just wasn't sure about whether it was any good or not. |
| It's a really good manga for most of it, but the ending is really abrupt. If I remember correctly it got cut cause it lost a lot of it's popularity, so the author had to wrap it up quickly. Introducing the new leet rival and barely getting him off the ground before the tournament and then ending the series out of the blue. Edit: Was talking about Hikaru No Go, and yeah I only read the manga, didn't watch the anime. |
AudioTsunamiNov 23, 2014 5:53 PM
| I don't care if my time limit isn't up yet. I'm going to nominate this anyway. I nominate "Taiyou no Kiba Dagram" for the enlightenment list. It is easily one of the best mecha series I have seen that takes on a complex political plot taking its time to build and look at the life of a set of characters in a guerilla group as they fight for independence, not once loosing sight of its goal for its entire run-time. The series has its flaws and failed to reach the popularity and fame that its successor VOTOMS had, nevertheless, it is a golden oldie that I would recommend anyone who is willing to expand their knowledge and horizons of old anime. |
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AngelsArcanum said: You have to understand that outside of this forum, I don't really talk or hear about anime. I talk to a couple Japanese friends about manga, and that's about it.AlabastreAizo said: I've never heard of that first one, but apparently it's pronounced "Nia Under Seven," for those who were curious. You've really never heard of it? Wow, it's name is tossed around an adequate amount in the West and I've known about it for years but never seen it; just wasn't sure about whether it was any good or not. |
| List updated Did I miss anything? [*]Added to New Mentions: Hikaru no Go [*]Added to Enlightenment: Hunter x Hunter (2011), Mobile Suit Gundam 0080, Ping Pong Quixotes_Solace said: There is a reason why it has a cult following in Japan and even popularized the game "Go" in Japan and even in Korea and China. Not true at all. Maybe China and Korea, but no Japan. |
AlabastreAizo said: AngelsArcanum said: You have to understand that outside of this forum, I don't really talk or hear about anime. I talk to a couple Japanese friends about manga, and that's about it.You've really never heard of it? Wow, it's name is tossed around an adequate amount in the West and I've known about it for years but never seen it; just wasn't sure about whether it was any good or not. Ah, hmm. Most of my friends are noobs when it comes to anime, so it is mostly myself trying to be content with watching good stuff and what have you, but I do know many anime by name through my own digging I guess, but ah well. |
| I hereby nominate Giant Killing, as an example of an excellent sports anime with great focus on its characters as well as interactions between the team and the media, fans and among each other. If you haven't seen it, go watch it. Right. Now. |
| "The more inexperienced you are, the more you want to show off." - Oreki, Hyouka |
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