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zenjamibu said: zellami said: Still don't know which anime Andes Chucky stands for, probably have never seen it, but its OP fit amazingly the winter holidays. Happy holidays, MA/PA :) This is most likely Andes Chucky was based on: http://myanimelist.net/anime/4615/Yama_Nezumi_Rocky_Chuck Unfortunately, haven't seen it. perhaps the only one I've never seen from that year's batch. Thanks for the info. |
Kondo-Isao said: I cannot believe how many times I've gotten these two mixed up. you're not alone... |
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| Sugie's walk off into the distance had such a good 'my work here is done' feel to it. Was nice to see him save the day and have everyone look up to him. First half has been really nice so far. Each episode has grown on me and I'm looking forward to seeing what's going to happen now that Exodus is over and done with. |
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| This was a great episode. I'm glad that they were able to complete Exodus in a timely fashion, and that they were able to keep the top-notch quality until the end. I wonder what they have in store for the the second half of the anime. I'm glad to see Sugie get to shine this episode. I really like his character. |
| ^ Very interesting! Here is the completely different (and much shorter) opening for the English-language adaptation that was licensed in North America way back in the early 1970s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ3vh9TRPBk It is notable in that there is not even the slightest hint that it came from Japan. - - - - - - - Seeing Aoi driving while singing along to the opening theme for "Andes Chucky" was a major highlight of the episode:  It goes from 16:13 to 16:59. Let's hope for a long version on a music CD. There is no information about who sung it or who wrote the lyrics and music in the closing credits, as far as I could see. - - - - - - - By the way, SHIROBAKO will not be broadcasted next week! Episode 13 will be aired on Thursday, January 8th. It sounds like the reason is because of special TV programming related to the new year. Here is the official tweet: https://twitter.com/shirobako_anime/status/548137300014534656 |
okanaganDec 27, 2014 1:04 AM
| They finished Exodus! This has been a long and complicated journey for everyone, so its nice to finally reach the payoff. If only they didn't cut off at the countdown! I'd like to have seen the reactions to the episode in its entirety. I wonder where they are going to go from here? I imagine it will be about adapting the light novel they keep talking about. If that is the case, it will serve as an interesting foil to the first half which was about an original anime series. I'm curious how an adaption is different from an original series in the production process. Also, completely realized that Ema is absolutely adorable! How did I just now see this?! |
| this ep is really touching. basically it's to say older people have experience and the talent. not an excess baggage. in the end, they are the ones to save the day. |
| Its quite refreshing to see anime references everywhere. I'm not an anime expert but I think that if Shirobako's objective is to make a big homage to anime and its industry, I think its being quite successful so far. Dull scenes and direction apart, the overall work has been mature and consistent, even for the moe aesthetic. |
| Well, this is defo one of the best episodes of the year. Anything that makes me laugh out loud, fist pump, and shed a few tears over the course of 20 minutes is a marvelous little achievement. Great fucking show. |
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| Andes Chucky :P |
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| I see. In Episode 11 at 20:45 / 24:40, they were saying: "Yano lives alone with her father." "Huh? What's with that Ozu setting?" Thanks for explaining that. I think I would find it difficult to understand a movie which did not obey the 180 degree rule. Interesting webpage, though. A surprising number of Ozu's old movies are posted on YouTube. You can find them by searching on YouTube for either: (1) His English name: Yasujirō Ozu or (2) His Japanese name: 小津安二郎 |
okanaganDec 28, 2014 12:58 AM
| Right when the studio was in a heap of trouble, Based Sugie-san comes to save the day. Classic. I wonder what lies ahead after Exodus, whatever it is I hope the 2nd cour is as good as the first. |
| Why do people have such bad taste? Anime isn't subjective anymore. |
| @htsuji: It's truly remarkable how these international adaptations completely strip off any credits that would hint that the work was produced in Japan. There are two blatant upskirt panty shots of Heidi at 1:56 and 3:11 which would definitely have to be edited out for North American audiences. That is a strict taboo. The only series that I recognized on that list was "Fables of the Green Forest". I have sung along with the English version of their theme song many times. |
| The first cour was very nice. I liked this show, this is different of others animes. Here, we just follow a animation studio in the real life. No superpower or others strange things, just some issues that we can find in an enterprise. Exodus is over. Wait the next episode ! |
htsuji said: Just for your reference about "Ozu" at episode 11. It doesn't have something to do with The Wonderful Wizard of Oz at all. Ozu is a name of a late film director in Japan (1903-1963). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasujir%C5%8D_Ozu He made a lot of movies about a relationship between a father, a daughter and a problem shadowing a family. That why a staff of Shirobako referred to his name. His style is also well known that he ignores a basic filming rule named 180 degree rule. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/180-degree_rule okanagan said: I see. In Episode 11 at 20:45 / 24:40, they were saying: "Yano lives alone with her father." "Huh? What's with that Ozu setting?" The Ozu reference specifically hits at the fact that he lived with his mother through his late life. |
surfboard_Dec 29, 2014 6:14 AM
After fiddling with the interwebz, I found this comparison photo of Sugie and Yasuji Mori (passed away in 1992). They even have the same brown blazer and green sweater.  |
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Shaniyaz said: The way Onoue (the pale white-haired guy with the phone in the beginning) was talking to NGE's director sounded like he sent Miyamori to him for something very different other than animation-related work. I think he intended to tease her as a joke, but failed. In Ep 11, he specifically name drops the guy he offers to introduce her to as "Kanno. Kanno Mitsuaki. The director of Neon Genesis Avangaldon" The real life Anno on whom Kanno is based has a towering reputation not just as a brilliant director, but also as a rather volatile personality. I think Onoue expected Miyamori to be scared off at that point. If you look at Miyamori, her reaction was one of shock (imagine if someone offers to introduce you to the real life Anno out of the blue!) And Nabe-P also cut in to ask Onoue not to tease her. Miyamori however... has balls of steel and accepts Onoue's offer! Onoue's face after that says it all. It was a look that says "These young girls are daring/scary". He had to make the best of it by actually calling Kanno to tell him he had sent Miyamori to him. The final clincher was the other guy's comment in Ep12 that "Musani's girls are sure strong". He felt that Miyamori (the Musani girl he just met) was strong precisely because she did not back off from meeting the scary Kanno. |
| Lots of flashbacks. It's hard to find an animator |
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| Great episode, wonder where it will go from here. |
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| Still loving this show, just caught up with about 6 episodes straight :P Exodus is done, yay. And the show has sold me a dostoyevsky book, lol, didn't expect that xD Let's see what the next cour will bring. Thing is about this show, is the premise means it could potentially be a pretty long running show, which i'm all for :D How are the sales for it anyway? is it popular in japan? |
| Does anyone else need a doctor to confirm that someone without a head is dead? |
| Jimbob1141 asked: How are the sales for it anyway? Is it popular in Japan? Yes. It is a big hit in Japan, based on the numbers of preorders that are being placed for the Blu-rays and the DVDs. This is quantified in terms of "Amazon Stalker points", which are, as of just this moment: Vol 2 Jan 28 BD 5668 BDSE 337 DVD 355 DVDSE 73 Vol 3 Feb 25 BD 5706 ... ... .. ... ... Vol 4 Mar 25 ... ... ... ... ... By the way, Rederoin maintains a website which provides statistics for all series: http://rederoin.motionsforum.com/ I really think it is a bit of a surprise that SHIROBAKO is doing so well in Japan. After all, this series is very demanding to watch, given that there are so many important characters and it is very technically realistic. I find it to be a really complicated story. Besides that, it is closely focused on the specialized world of anime production, including many real-life references to classic shows and actual people. To that, add on mentions of the novels of Dostoevsky, a play by Samuel Beckett and some 1950s black-and-white movies directed by Yasujirō Ozu. Up to this point, there has been minimal laugh-out-loud comedy, swimsuit fanservice, fighting scenes, dirty jokes, low-angle shots or Yuri subtext. So far, we haven't even seen the obligatory beach episode. Haven't any of these people ever heard of hot springs? In summary, I can't see even a single reason why this show has been able to break above 1000 Amazon Stalker points. |
okanaganJan 4, 2015 2:38 PM
okanagan said: I really think it is a bit of a surprise that SHIROBAKO is doing so well in Japan. After all, this series is very demanding to watch, given that there are so many important characters and it is very technically realistic. I find it to be a really complicated story. Besides that, it is closely focused on the specialized world of anime production, including many real-life references to classic shows and actual people. To that, add on mentions of the novels of Dostoevsky, a play by Samuel Beckett and some 1950s black-and-white movies directed by Yasujirō Ozu. [...] Depends on what kind of audience you are. This show isn't meant to be complicated (that's what we could've seen so far) and I'm pretty sure it gets a lot more fun to watch if you can relate or identify everything they mention, which is a lot more easier for the japanese since its an anime about their own culture, basically. By the way, what is the demanding part to watch it? ("given that there are so many important characters and it is very technically realistic" - no, this isn't demanding if you've been following anime for some time) "To that, add on mentions of the novels of Dostoevsky, a play by Samuel Beckett and some 1950s black-and-white movies directed by Yasujirō Ozu" How does mentioning Dostoyevsky makes something complicated? Are they incarnating his works into the anime to the point we can't get it unless we know enough about him? If thats the case then I'm one of the many people lost in the show. Which Ozu films did the anime mentioned? okanagan said: In summary, I can't see even a single reason why this show has been able to break above 1000 Amazon Stalker points. Successful studio, light and casual episodes, good animation, moe (yes, there is plenty). |
surfboard_Jan 4, 2015 11:23 PM
| Loved the Hideaki Anno/Nausicaa references! Shirobako know their stuff. I'd love to watch Andes Chucky too! |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Before I got started watching anime, the first thing that got my interest was the OVA series "Animation Runner Kuromi" (アニメーション制作進行くろみちゃん ). Although it is a much simpler story than Shirobako, it shows the world of anime production back in 2001. In OVA 2, the person in charge of the production desk ran short of animators. Luckily, she got a list of four good animators from a more experienced person. After phoning up these people, it ultimately turned out that none of them were available, so she ended up facing disaster.  (A scene from the very end of OVA 1.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animation_Runner_Kuromi OVA 1: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=1146 OVA 2: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2860 |
okanaganJan 5, 2015 8:07 PM
| gophercg said: I'm interested in good animal animation. Okay, it sounds like you really do know something. So please let me ask you a simple question. What about human walking? Obviously, every anime episode has multiple scenes of people walking. However, I find very few example where the motion is realistic. More often, their feet seem to be floating in space or else sliding on the ground. The best way to animate walking is to not show the body below the waist. Just show the character's head bouncing up and down. Cheap and effective. Of course, anybody who looks closely will realize that it is laziness to cut costs. The job of the director is to decide where to spend money in order to tell the story. Sometimes it could be very important to accurately depict the motion of a horse in order to vividly tell a story. On the other hand, drawing 100 still images of horses and panning up and down and zooming in and out for 10 seconds is way, way cheaper. Talented directors know when to spend big and when to be a cheapskate. A good rule of thumb is that a 25-minute anime episode only has about 5000 frames. 5000 frames is not many frames. See here: http://www.crunchyroll.ca/anime-news/2011/10/30-1/how-much-does-one-episode-of-anime-cost-to-make The classic error of a newbie director is that they will show us beautifully realistic animation of something that adds nothing to the storytelling. In Episode 12 of Shirobako, Tsutomu Mizushima made a strategic decisions to make a huge investment in the Exodus scene with the stampede of horses. It was breathtaking. Unforgettable. I have a very high opinion of Mizushima as a director. - - - - - - Marzan said: I'd love to watch Andes Chucky too! This is probably asking too much, but I want to see 3-episode mini-series of each of: - Andes Chucky - Exodus - Jiggly Jiggly Heaven i.e. just like in Genshiken, where they created a 3-episode mini-series of the initially-fictional series "Kujibiki Unbalance". And after that there was a full "Kujibiki Unbalance" series in 2006 with different character designs. |
okanaganJan 8, 2015 12:26 AM
okanagan said: gophercg said: I'm interested in good animal animation. - - - - - - Marzan said: I'd love to watch Andes Chucky too! This is probably asking too much, but I want to see 3-episode mini-series of each of: - Andes Chucky - Exodus - Jiggly Jiggly Heaven i.e. just like in Genshiken, where they created a 3-episode mini-series of the initially-fictional series "Kujibiki Unbalance". And after that there was a full "Kujibiki Unbalance" series in 2006 with different character designs. okanagan said: gophercg said: I'm interested in good animal animation. Marzan said: I'd love to watch Andes Chucky too! This is probably asking too much, but I want to see 3-episode mini-series of each of: - Andes Chucky - Exodus - Jiggly Jiggly Heaven i.e. just like in Genshiken, where they created a 3-episode mini-series of the initially-fictional series "Kujibiki Unbalance". And after that there was a full "Kujibiki Unbalance" series in 2006 with different character designs. That'd be awesome. I love shows within shows. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| LOL @ Hideaki Anno making an appearance at the show. The show is halfway and is getting better. After 12 episodes I still cant remember the names of the characters, well not that it matters. |
| Fantastic, finally a moment for Sugie san to shine Oi talking to Kanno was good as well Was it the real person voicing who did Evangelion? |
| What a delightful, uplifting episode! I was almost in tears of joy when they finished the preview of the horse scene. I don't know why I was so emotional but I was so happy when they overcame the difficulties of the final ep. I'm loving Shirobako more and more. |
| best episode cuz of Musani's milestone accomplishment. |
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| Amazing episode. It felt really great to see everybody so relieved and happy at the end when the final episode for Exodus was completed. That feeling of accomplishing something special, wow. And it was also just so nice to see Sugie-san like that. Just wanting to be wanted and be of use again. Ahhhh. |
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| Nice episode. the old warhorse of Masaani pulled through for them. I'm guessing the next cour will be about the second project they're going to take, that "girls" something. This is one great ANIME!!! |
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| So great episode on so many levels! Very emotional. And OST was top this time! |
| My favorite episode so far Aww.. At least they accomplished something now! And Sugie-san!! He's really a hero.. Such a shame he didn't join the party San! Ni! Ichi! To be continued (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ 1lau said: Oi talking to Kanno was good as well Was it the real person voicing who did Evangelion? Sorry to disappoint you, but it isn't |
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| Not sure why but i got REAL EMOTIONAL at this episode with the Sugie-san stuff. T34RS. |
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| lol Anno Kanno made a cameo, and old man genius keyframe animator Sugie to the rescue, glad that they meed the deadline for the final episode |
| Another nice episode and another lesson that has a double meaning; one targeted to civil society and the world of Japanese animation. But not only, because in this episode, comes into play also the issue of the generation gap, not so negligible factor. Pleasant narration as usual and drawings which although a good level, I hope to improve in versions BD. Is it just me to have thought, or are shown in the final of the characters that were never far not appeared? |
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| Sweet episode! Really liked how intense this was even for a daily life series! |
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