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Mar 28, 2019 1:14 AM
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UPDATE: Ufotable suspected tax evasion case update: Amount involved is around $US ~3.5 million; might also be involved in misappropriation of earthquake charity donations
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/bcc3se/ufotable_suspected_tax_evasion_case_update_amount/

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Bungeishunju's Weekly Bunshun Digital magazine reported on Thursday that the Tokyo Regional Taxation Bureau conducted a search of animation studio ufotable's offices on March 12 as part of an investigation on the company allegedly committing tax evasion. The report stated the Bureau conducted searches in the company's cafes in Kōenji and Tokushima, as well as the animation studio in Shimoigusa, in Tokyo's Suginami ward.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-03-28/bunshun-magazine-fate-studio-ufotable-under-investigation-for-alleged-tax-evasion/.145097

unlimited budget works am i right? lol

but seriously hopefully they will not cancel any anime project contracted by the production committees because of this
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I personally have never been interested in the Fate series. I saw a clip on YouTube and the characters felt too artificial, the way they talked and moved. Seriously.

So I'm fine with this LOL. I don't think I've looked at any other anime by this studio.

*want to see the world burn kind of person*
Mar 28, 2019 1:55 AM
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I personally have never been interested in the Fate series. I saw a clip on YouTube and the characters felt too artificial, the way they talked and moved. Seriously.

So I'm fine with this LOL. I don't think I've looked at any other anime by this studio.

*want to see the world burn kind of person*


you gonna get hated by the ufotable fans lol, im a ufotable fan but i disapprove of them if this news is true
Mar 28, 2019 2:45 AM
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Just when they were about to make an anime i might really like.
Mar 28, 2019 2:50 AM
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Oh please no :<

RIP Kimetsu No Yaiba ...
Mar 28, 2019 2:52 AM
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Well that sucks if true.
Literally the best studio out there.
Mar 28, 2019 3:01 AM
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I guess fate finally caught up with them!

.... I'll get my coat/noble phantasm
Mar 28, 2019 3:03 AM
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Uh oh, definitely not something you wanna be involved with.
Hopefully the investigation turns up empty because this would be pretty bad for the company if proven to be true.
Mar 28, 2019 3:47 AM
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Wow........Actually,When saw the title,my first thought is:This first time I heard about a studio been Alleged Tax Evasion
Anyway,I personally think ufotable is the best we can get for make fate series animation out there.At least,as far as i see,other studio made animation like FE or FA is far less than ufotable built animation versions(ZERO,UBW)
If they really been closed down for that.Fate series animation will stuck in dilemma
Mar 28, 2019 4:29 AM

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It's definitely not something you want to get into if it's treu, but then again what if I told you people do it all the time since taxation is also theft so I can understand why people do it in the first place.

It just sucks to be you if you get caught if it's treu.
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hopefully this means no more fate.. please!
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Bungeishunju's Weekly Bunshun Digital magazine reported on Thursday that the Tokyo Regional Taxation Bureau conducted a search of animation studio ufotable's offices on March 12 as part of an investigation on the company allegedly committing tax evasion. The report stated the Bureau conducted searches in the company's cafes in Kōenji and Tokushima, as well as the animation studio in Shimoigusa, in Tokyo's Suginami ward.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-03-28/bunshun-magazine-fate-studio-ufotable-under-investigation-for-alleged-tax-evasion/.145097

unlimited budget works am i right? lol

but seriously hopefully they will not cancel any anime project contracted by the production committees because of this


You know, not everybody who is investigated by the police is actually guilty, right?
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Kruszer said:
deg said:
Bungeishunju's Weekly Bunshun Digital magazine reported on Thursday that the Tokyo Regional Taxation Bureau conducted a search of animation studio ufotable's offices on March 12 as part of an investigation on the company allegedly committing tax evasion. The report stated the Bureau conducted searches in the company's cafes in Kōenji and Tokushima, as well as the animation studio in Shimoigusa, in Tokyo's Suginami ward.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-03-28/bunshun-magazine-fate-studio-ufotable-under-investigation-for-alleged-tax-evasion/.145097

unlimited budget works am i right? lol

but seriously hopefully they will not cancel any anime project contracted by the production committees because of this


You know, not everybody who is investigated by the police is actually guilty, right?


i know, if you look at my additional replies on this thread i agree with you there
Mar 28, 2019 4:50 AM

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kiritsugu emiya does not pay his taxes
Mar 28, 2019 4:54 AM

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pretty much everyone does tax evasion
hopefully they do not get caught im waiting for heavens feel the third movie still..

i dont want that to get cancelled fuck

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It's definitely not something you want to get into if it's treu, but then again what if I told you people do it all the time since taxation is also theft so I can understand why people do it in the first place.

It just sucks to be you if you get caught if it's treu.


exactly
u understand :D
Mar 28, 2019 4:55 AM

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hopefully this means no more fate.. please!


The Fate series that Ufotable made is already over.


except its not
heavens feel movie 3 is coming in 2020
Mar 28, 2019 4:56 AM

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Tax evasion isn't that big of a deal. Akira Toriyama and many others have done it and their works are unaffected.
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Mar 28, 2019 5:16 AM

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Hope ufotable hasn't done anything wrong. It'd be a shame, they've got some of the best looking animation around.

Mar 28, 2019 5:44 AM

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Oh dear... Hope it isn't true. They're one of the best animation studios. And I don't want them to stop making the Fate series.

Help, I'm hooked into the Fate series (not all) and am obsessed with Shirou x Saber!
Also, forever hoping for a ufotable remake of the Fate route!
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I just started one anime by them and next season I picked another so yeah, a bit worried.
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I guess there's no such thing as "unlimited budget works" after all.
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They just gotta sell all the rights of the Fate series to Shaft and is all good :>

Tax evasion is a quite common practice, even among well payed soccer players for example, so not much of a surprise there. I am sure ufotable is not the first and for sure wouldnt be the last studio to do something like that if this is confirmed true, still i doubt that this will have that much repercussions but it can very well delay the production some of their anime projects.
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Ooh, yikes. This might completely dissolve the company. As an accountant when I see this...

According to the report, ufotable founder, representative director, and president Hikaru Kondo was allegedly directly receiving some of the revenue accrued from the studio's merchandise sales.


...that normally means there's some deep-rooted fraud festering around at all levels of the business. That said, I know Japan business regulations are way more forgiving than a lot of other countries, so perhaps ufotable knows the right people and will be able to slip through this relatively unscathed. Regardless, I'd expect a few delays in the future.
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They just gotta sell all the rights of the Fate series to Shaft and is all good :>

Shaft has already proven they can't adapt Fate well.
Mar 28, 2019 6:19 AM

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Ufotable dodging taxes like they dodge doing good Fate adaptations.
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hopefully this means no more fate.. please!

You do realise that Ufotable isn't the only studio that adapt fate right?

It's pointless, you cant stop TM and DW milking the shit out of that series.

Either way Ufotable also one of the known PV for some games i played.
Though their role isn't even big.

Well if Tax Evasion did proven then people can kiss goodbye on every projects they're going to work.
Or else they will still need to pay shit load amount of money.
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Taxation is theft; the State is a mob. Based Ufotable.
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Mar 28, 2019 6:51 AM

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replace ufotable with any other studio
dont like the news and seeing people rejoice your fav studio is being shit on? congrats you're a hypocrtie
like the news? go back and enjoy your hateful life

thats all peace
It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime.
Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others
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Xaelath said:
BestBoiEren said:
hopefully this means no more fate.. please!

You do realise that Ufotable isn't the only studio that adapt fate right?

It's pointless, you cant stop TM and DW milking the shit out of that series.

Either way Ufotable also one of the known PV for some games i played.
Though their role isn't even big.

Well if Tax Evasion did proven then people can kiss goodbye on every projects they're going to work.
Or else they will still need to pay shit load amount of money.

Yeah,but ufotable is the best Fate series animation Studio we could got as far as i see.
FA and FE they sales and reputation/score was far less than UBW or ZERO which ufotable adaptations
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Goodbye to the most overrated studio ever!
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lel, I feel a lot of Schadenfreude about this because it's literally the most overrated anime studio ever. Their animation isn't anything special, they just 'cheat' their way through with special effects and filters that casuals will mistake with animation quality. I guess that's how they saved up all that money and now it's coming back to bite them :>

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replace ufotable with any other studio
dont like the news and seeing people rejoice your fav studio is being shit on? congrats you're a hypocrtie
like the news? go back and enjoy your hateful life

thats all peace


oh you bet I'll go back to enjoying my hateful life. This made my hateful day :D
I probably regret this post by now.
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lel, I feel a lot of Schadenfreude about this because it's literally the most overrated anime studio ever. Their animation isn't anything special, they just 'cheat' their way through with special effects and filters that casuals will mistake with animation quality. I guess that's how they saved up all that money and now it's coming back to bite them :>

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replace ufotable with any other studio
dont like the news and seeing people rejoice your fav studio is being shit on? congrats you're a hypocrtie
like the news? go back and enjoy your hateful life

thats all peace


oh you bet I'll go back to enjoying my hateful life. This made my hateful day :D

plz you hate everything you lolicon :> you misunderstood my point anyways :P
It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime.
Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others
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Goodbye to the most overrated studio ever!

That's where you're wrong kiddo.
Both on overrated, and them going away.
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Pullman said:
lel, I feel a lot of Schadenfreude about this because it's literally the most overrated anime studio ever. Their animation isn't anything special, they just 'cheat' their way through with special effects and filters that casuals will mistake with animation quality. I guess that's how they saved up all that money and now it's coming back to bite them :>



oh you bet I'll go back to enjoying my hateful life. This made my hateful day :D

plz you hate everything you lolicon :> you misunderstood my point anyways :P


calling me a lolicon implies I don't hate everything tho. Lolis are things too :>
I probably regret this post by now.
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Seems like this is what happens when you create a masterpiece like Emiya-san Gohan and end up making millions and billions
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Pullman said:
lel, I feel a lot of Schadenfreude about this because it's literally the most overrated anime studio ever. Their animation isn't anything special, they just 'cheat' their way through with special effects and filters that casuals will mistake with animation quality. I guess that's how they saved up all that money and now it's coming back to bite them :>

I'm going to call bull on this based on my vast experience with the studio basically after watching two episodes of Manabi Straight
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Ufotable dodging taxes like they dodge doing good Fate adaptations.
Sounds like you are confusing UFO Table, the good one, with Deen, the bad one.
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Ufotable dodging taxes like they dodge doing good Fate adaptations.
sounds like you are confusing UFO Table, the good one, with Deen, the bad one.

Many people seem to make the same mistake.
Maybe it's some kind of a contagious disease?
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Kruszer said:
Dysisa said:
Ufotable dodging taxes like they dodge doing good Fate adaptations.
Sounds like you are confusing UFO Table, the good one, with Deen, the bad one.

Nope, anyone who has actually read UBW would know how badly they treated it. Just look at the way anime only's view Shirou because of how much they butchered his character in an arc that is entirely centered on his character growth. Just because the Deen one is worse doesn't make what Ufotable does good.
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Kruszer said:
Sounds like you are confusing UFO Table, the good one, with Deen, the bad one.

Nope, anyone who has actually read UBW would know how badly they treated it. Just look at the way anime only's view Shirou because of how much they butchered his character in an arc that is entirely centered on his character growth. Just because the Deen one is worse doesn't make what Ufotable does good.


While I agree that for UBW, they are doing a decent job for the Heaven's feel movies tbh. Probably the best Fate adaptation till now.

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Nope, anyone who has actually read UBW would know how badly they treated it. Just look at the way anime only's view Shirou because of how much they butchered his character in an arc that is entirely centered on his character growth. Just because the Deen one is worse doesn't make what Ufotable does good.


While I agree that for UBW, they are doing a decent job for the Heaven's feel movies tbh. Probably the best Fate adaptation till now.

Yeah I've heard they are doing better with those, still waiting for all 3 of the movies to be out before watching them though.
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Kruszer said:
Sounds like you are confusing UFO Table, the good one, with Deen, the bad one.

Nope, anyone who has actually read UBW would know how badly they treated it. Just look at the way anime only's view Shirou because of how much they butchered his character in an arc that is entirely centered on his character growth. Just because the Deen one is worse doesn't make what Ufotable does good.


So what is so drastically missing that would make me want to rate a 9/10 (which was already excelltnt) show even higher? Aside from the sex scene.
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Nope, anyone who has actually read UBW would know how badly they treated it. Just look at the way anime only's view Shirou because of how much they butchered his character in an arc that is entirely centered on his character growth. Just because the Deen one is worse doesn't make what Ufotable does good.


So what is so drastically missing that would make me want to rate 9/10 (which was already excelltnt) show even higher? Aside from the sex scene.

I'm curious, as well. I've even read the VN a few months before ufotable adapted UBW, and I didn't notice anything of consequence being omitted.

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Nope, anyone who has actually read UBW would know how badly they treated it. Just look at the way anime only's view Shirou because of how much they butchered his character in an arc that is entirely centered on his character growth. Just because the Deen one is worse doesn't make what Ufotable does good.


So what is so drastically missing that would make me want to rate a 9/10 (which was already excelltnt) show even higher? Aside from the sex scene.


Lack of monologues and the way they are implemented, Shirou feels like a generic shounen protagonist most of the time. One of the reasons why Shirou is such a divisive character in the anime fandom is because his character feels pretty static, not justifying his personality or character through monologues, as it was done in the VN. Quite a few plotholes in the anime too, which was expected I guess.
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Kruszer said:
Dysisa said:

Nope, anyone who has actually read UBW would know how badly they treated it. Just look at the way anime only's view Shirou because of how much they butchered his character in an arc that is entirely centered on his character growth. Just because the Deen one is worse doesn't make what Ufotable does good.


So what is so drastically missing that would make me want to rate a 9/10 (which was already excelltnt) show even higher? Aside from the sex scene.

Most of his characterization is done by way of his inner monologues, and with those being entirely absent and with no effort ever made to make up for them elsewhere, it makes Shirou really flat. The whole point of Unlimited Blade Works is the way his and Archers morals clash, and when you leave so much of Shirou's thought process out, you don't convey that stuff well.
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hopefully this means no more fate.. please!


Sorry mate A1, shaft and cloverclocks have already taken that torch
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Kruszer said:


So what is so drastically missing that would make me want to rate a 9/10 (which was already excelltnt) show even higher? Aside from the sex scene.


Lack of monologues and the way they are implemented, Shirou feels like a generic shounen protagonist most of the time. One of the reasons why Shirou is such a divisive character in the anime fandom is because his character feels pretty static, not justifying his personality or character through monologues, as it was done in the VN. Quite a few plotholes in the anime too, which was expected I guess.

Monologing would just make viewers bored though and disrupt the story's pacing so you'd just be exchanging one problem for another. IE: the reason I never finished reading the VN.
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Lack of monologues and the way they are implemented, Shirou feels like a generic shounen protagonist most of the time. One of the reasons why Shirou is such a divisive character in the anime fandom is because his character feels pretty static, not justifying his personality or character through monologues, as it was done in the VN. Quite a few plotholes in the anime too, which was expected I guess.

Monologing would just make viewers bored though and disrupt the story's pacing so you'd just be exchanging one problem for another. IE: the reason I never finished reading the VN.


Maybe, but that comes with the sacrifice of characterization. I would also argue that the direction of monologues could have been better, sometimes it just felt like copy-paste of certain parts. It's a decent entertaining watch but that's it, very poor characterization all around.
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Can't say I'm too sad. Definitely my least favorite studio. Have a negative opinion on the Knk films, an even more negative opinion of UBW, and I didn't find Fate Zero(both seasons) to be anything more than decent.

Most of the character arcs excluding Kiritsugu ended disappointingly and anticlimactically and the pacing left a lot to be desired. Not a fan of the flashbacks either.
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I personally have never been interested in the Fate series. I saw a clip on YouTube and the characters felt too artificial, the way they talked and moved. Seriously.

So I'm fine with this LOL. I don't think I've looked at any other anime by this studio.

*want to see the world burn kind of person*


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