| Maybe that's just me not understanding normies again, but I find weird that there will be those "huge events" when there's a new season of some big TV series happening, or something like Invincible, Arcane, etc... then it ends and people are just OK with it? They're like "Oh well, I'm sure we'll have something similar in two years or something" and just... accept. I find it weird, because when it comes to anime, this is ALWAYS happening, it's happening every season, there's ALWAYS something happening, so I'm surprised that people just "accept" this "lack" instead of going somewhere where this is never lacking. It reminds me on how one of the reasons I started using more Twitter over Facebook was that there was ALWAYS something happening on Twitter. In FFXIV terms: One is Eureka and the other is Bozja. If people like such experiences, why are comparatively so few of then going gung-ho on them? |
| I think there are a sufficient number of people watching anime. I don't think there is a "lack" of anime viewers. I don't think there is anything suspcious about anime. It is usually very easy to tell anime girls/boys are not real minors. |
| Because anime is not written by westerns like Arcane & invincible. A lot of westerners don’t like lolis and weird anime stuff. |
| HACKs! 🤢🤮 |
| These western series numbers are hard to trust. I see far more anime pfps online than Arcane or Invincible. I know those 2 push "the message" so of course media outlets will schill them like no tommorow. Anime is very huge despite the crazy amount of competition it sees among itself. I am definitely willing to bet far more average ppl seen dandadan vs these series. |
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| Well for starters there are billions of people in the world with all their preferences, same reason there are people still thinking that Gaming is "weird" as a hobby for adults. They're drilled by society that they must maintain an "etiquette" when they reach adulthood or something (Live example, this Megistus guy here, lol, this is a huge can of worms, let's not deviate here), or they're simply not into it at all. Also, idk, I prefer if Anime were more niche than ever, I think there are too many buffoons trying to get into this culture and think they know the place by attempting to appropriate the medium by making demands on what they think is "correct" Also, another thing, just because in the west it doesn't have that many traction, it doesn't mean that within it's own community there is no hype. I think you're too focused on the outsiders pov, rather than those that are dead in on the fandom, the thing is, that you'll only see the vast quantity if you're actually there, rather than seeing it from the distance, through the lenses of those who are like "meh, whatever". With how explosive some people are, I think you're bound to read people hating things rather than people sharing their love for it, mainly because they'd be targeted by outsiders. Pretty sure most of the hype is celebrated within their own small communities privately rather than publicly. Also, why are people jumping into the Loli topic when it was never mentioned in the original post, lmao, talk about projecting. Mod Edit: Removed baiting. |
ScaryOwlAug 24, 11:47 AM
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@Otakupervert890 This wasn't about you, it was a response towards this claim, you jumped here.
@thewiru
and again I ask how is growing a pair correlates with accepting loli fetishism in your fiction. Normal people don't want to watch sexualized depictions of 2D children.
@thewiru
and again I ask how is growing a pair correlates with accepting loli fetishism in your fiction. Normal people don't want to watch sexualized depictions of 2D children.
Megistus7 said: Normal people don't want to watch sexualized depictions of 2D children. ...and? Normal people don't watch anime below the uttermost surface either. Mod Edit: Removed baiting. |
ScaryOwlAug 24, 11:44 AM
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@thewiru what's the topic name again? You are asking why more people are not into anime and the answer is because of its problematic elements. If anime wants to become mainstream it has to sacrifice its niche elements. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Personally, I don't think that is even an issue because anime is popular enough and its fans in the West gravitate towards two specific genres anyway. But in recent years Japan really wants to win the Western market and is wilingly censoring itself for more international gibs.
Personally, I don't think that is even an issue because anime is popular enough and its fans in the West gravitate towards two specific genres anyway. But in recent years Japan really wants to win the Western market and is wilingly censoring itself for more international gibs.
| @Megistus7 Anime is such a vast medium to just generalize it to "oh, they're problematic" lol Every single piece of media has it's own fair share of "problematic stuff", even in western media. Apparently people already forgot that Netflix released Cuties. Oh, but the culprit of this is Japanese and their "weird culture" If you're outside western culture, you'd also think of Western Mainstream stuff to be weird and problematic. (This can apply for every culture and subculture really, people should really just cope with the fact that the world doesn't spin around them) You're shifting the blame here. |
BlazingWayfarerAug 2, 10:05 PM
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@thewiru what's the topic name again? You are asking why more people are not into anime and the answer is because of its problematic elements. If anime wants to become mainstream it has to sacrifice its niche elements. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Personally, I don't think that is even an issue because anime is popular enough and its fans in the West gravitate towards two specific genres anyway. But in recent years Japan really wants to win the Western market and is wilingly censoring itself for more international gibs.
Personally, I don't think that is even an issue because anime is popular enough and its fans in the West gravitate towards two specific genres anyway. But in recent years Japan really wants to win the Western market and is wilingly censoring itself for more international gibs.
Megistus7 said: @thewiru what's the topic name again? You are asking why more people are not into anime and the answer is because of its problematic elements. If anime wants to become mainstream it has to sacrifice its niche elements. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The whole point of the topic is that, if people value such experiences so much, why aren't they making "trivial sacrifices" (They aren't really sacrifices at all) in order to have such experiences the entire year? |
| There are like three different topics going on in here. To answer the main question, stereotypes, aesthetics, visual quality and release schedules or number of episodes and duration. The stereotypes people have of anime are partly being defended on this thread so there's that. Some people are not into anime aesthetics and its overall visual quality not being like those in cartoons. People already complain about the releases, number of episodes and duration of them with live action series and cartoons, imagine anime with its seasons format, half the duration per episode of other mediums, sometimes years for sequels to come. To add to the first post, in my opinion the anime community overhypes seasonals to ridiculous degrees and are less critical with the medium as the so called normies (in general). The latter group learned that lots of times what starts as good might not end up being so or not end well, and also they are a far larger group consuming far tons more media than just anime, so there are going to be a lot more different opinions and a lot more products to jump from and to so it's normal that seemingly generational products end up being forgotten and replaced with something else. It already happens with anime, imagine with all the other mediums combined. And for the third topic, yeah, people don't like seeing children or child-like looking characters being sexualized, even if fictional and 2D, what a surprise and what a thing to get offended for lol do you read yourselves? What reaction did you expect from normal people? And that's just the main problematic element, we all know there are others. Granted, there are lots of problematic elements in western media too, that people are very hypocritical about, but you don't often see them being defended, more like either ignored or overthought, and more usual than not they at least don't revolve about kids. Cuties was an exception, not the rule, and most people were critical about it, pointing out that its directing went against its intetion of exploring the theme of society and industry sexualizing children, they weren't celebrating it, like lots do with loli and more stuff in the anime community, and expect other people to just accept them lmao. Well that was a long one, I gotta sleep, bye. |
CaptainKenshiroAug 2, 10:34 PM
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@BlazingWayfarer Yes, because lolicon is part of Japanese culture right? wow
This line of defense has always been ridiculous and it isn't even true. Loli is part of Western culture if anything.
Cuties is a French feminist film and a fringe example, not the norm.
Well I am far enough and I do think they are weird.
This line of defense has always been ridiculous and it isn't even true. Loli is part of Western culture if anything.
Cuties is a French feminist film and a fringe example, not the norm.
BlazingWayfarer said:
If you're outside western culture, you'd also think of Western Mainstream stuff to be weird and problematic.
If you're outside western culture, you'd also think of Western Mainstream stuff to be weird and problematic.
Well I am far enough and I do think they are weird.
| @Megistus7 Imagine if people would avoid live action movies/series, just because of the fact that on the same medium format there is porn and other weird stuff. It's the equivalent of prigs tagging songs and artists as "Satanic" for how they look or for singing in foreign languages, etc. I have the solution to that, don't like it, deviate your attention to something else, no need to try to understand what people see on "insert famous things here" At the end of the day, the real problematic is that people chooses to attack fiction rather than actual real life problematics, the excuse is always "PrOtEcT MUh ChIlDrEn" but they're only pointing their finger towards the sun, the issue is not the "Problematic content" the issue is that people are simply unable to have an opinion of their own without the need of generalizing an entire medium. |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| My guess is that despite a lot of shows that are extremely popular anime has always just been something you have to seek out or stumble across rather than just can see anywhere from my experience, especially when it comes to the west. It's funny because the way I discovered anime was by playing a game called dragon ball Z budokai tenkaichi 2 when I was younger, instantly hooked onto it, then I found out there was a TV show about the game and after that I was just a huge fan of anime. |
| I simply find it ironic that someone would call Cuties a feminist film of all things |
| I guess just personal taste, I don't know how else to put it. |
| If I had to choose between One Piece and a girlfriend...I think I'll go with One Piece |
| @BilboBaggins365 I just used those two as examples, but I was also thinking about the way people consume shit shit like The Boys, Wednesday, Stranger Things, etc BilboBaggins365 said: I literally don't understand what you mean by this Wiru lol? Do you just think people who don't watch anime, don't have anything to look forward to or something? There are always new shows happening too, new books, new games, there is literally a ton of entertainment out there. IDK it just feels like this post is coming from a misunderstanding of what is actually out there for most people, as someone who largely only enjoys anime. IDK, I'm just speaking from my experiences: I just don't see normies constantly hopping between large events the way anime fans do. |
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@BlazingWayfarer This is because of the stigma in the West that animation is for children. And the other stigma of sexuality in media. Sure they are fine with some sex but when you start going into weird fetish territory as its normal for Otaku geared anime you loose people.
I actually disagree, it would be beneficial to both parties to understand a different culture, this is what grows respect and appreciation while expanding your own viewpoint on the World. But loli itself is a fringe topic in anime itself which has falsely been embraced by the West as something normal from Japan, kinda like how tentacle hentai was what people thought of anime back in the 00s duo to watching Urotsukidoji on TV.
You are ignoring that Japan has attacked anime/ manga creators and Otaku for decades prior but whatever. Things are as lax as ever right now. It ain't the 90s or 00s anymore and millennials know what anime is unlike boomers. The only problem is self sabotage by greedy Japanese companies.
I actually disagree, it would be beneficial to both parties to understand a different culture, this is what grows respect and appreciation while expanding your own viewpoint on the World. But loli itself is a fringe topic in anime itself which has falsely been embraced by the West as something normal from Japan, kinda like how tentacle hentai was what people thought of anime back in the 00s duo to watching Urotsukidoji on TV.
You are ignoring that Japan has attacked anime/ manga creators and Otaku for decades prior but whatever. Things are as lax as ever right now. It ain't the 90s or 00s anymore and millennials know what anime is unlike boomers. The only problem is self sabotage by greedy Japanese companies.
Megistus7 said: This is because of the stigma in the West that animation is for children. Animation is for children in the West would be called a belief, not a stigma, you are not using the word in a correct way or context. That aside your claim is not even correct, The Simpsons is one of the most popular shows in USA and it's clearly not aimed at children. South Park and Family Guy are other similarly poular shows. And a lot of Adult Swim content like Rick and Morty or Bojack Horseman are also aimed at adults, hence the name. Not to mention, there is an obvious increase of animation catering to adults in the West that is not shy to show both violence and sex like Castlevania, Invincible, Blue Eye Samurai, Arcane, Devil May Cry, Peepoodo & The Super Fuck Friends etc. |
| Bc of the assumption that all anime is more or less hentai. They don't realize its just normal cartoons, just the same as something like regular show, but with more intricate animation and a japanese sub. If we actually want to get people to watch anime more, we need better dubs that can replace it. Excluding the fact that some dubs are so much better than the sub counterparts. |
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Bc of the assumption that all anime is more or less hentai. They don't realize its just normal cartoons, just the same as something like regular show, but with more intricate animation and a japanese sub. If we actually want to get people to watch anime more, we need better dubs that can replace it. Excluding the fact that some dubs are so much better than the sub counterparts.
JayDaAnimeLord said: Bc of the assumption that all anime is more or less hentai. There is no such assumption though. A lot of people actually mistakenly call animation that are catered to adults like Arcane, Castlevania, Blue Eye Samurai Samurai, Devil May Cry, Blood of Zeus etc. as anime |
| Maybe they get bored by the repetitive content after some years. |
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| I love anime. but everything I love about it is in the past now. the last thing I was super excited about was the rebuild series. I was very excited for index s3 and it was total shit. I was excited for durarara sequels but they were quality as fuck. I was excited for bastard s2, it was less fun, and worse drawn. I was excited for mushoku s2, it sucked immensely. quality and story both took a nosedive. I was excited for kagejitsu s2, it was less fun, and worse drawn. I was cautiously optimistic about one punch man s2, knowing it would be way worse, knowing jcstaff worked on 5 anime at the time but nothing could prepare me for the visual diarrhea. I'm still excited for the kagejitsu movie... |
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| Huh? Anime is still the most popular foreign media in the West. Plenty of people are into it, far too much in fact. If you’d ask this about k-dramas and Bollywood flicks, I’d get it. But, despite what the haters want you to believe, anime is still super popular. |
| "Maybe that's just me not understanding normies again" My guess is they see anime as a constant stream of similar products with similar quality...like Coca Cola, Milka or whatever. Instead of the very diverse media which it is. With artistic and monetary struggles, with peaks and lows... For them finding a good anime is as simple as going to r/Anime and checking what is trending. They don't go outside of what is popular, they don't care about unique projects, they don't even notice drops in the technical quality of a mainstream product unless the whole community decides to rant about it. Mod Edit: Removed political baiting. |
ScaryOwlAug 24, 11:45 AM
| Cause most people are not autistic. Neurotypical peeps work different and have no hyperfixations. like wtf |
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| New live-action TV shows come out every week. And that's just American shows. Doesn't even include stuff like K, J, and C-Dramas along with shows that come out of Europe, India, Africa, Latin America, and pretty much every other place on Earth. You're statement is just wrong. |
| Well there isnt anything that can be done unless there is a crowd sourced funding for something otherwise there at least is fan art to look at and source material if any though there is the issue of many manga dragging on for decades only to never end because the mangaka became ill or died. |
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| A lot of people simply won't give it a chance. Which is for the best, because as you can see since the scamdemic, normies have awful opinions regarding anime. |
| Taiga best girl forever. |
| Anime is already very mainstream around the globe. You have a lot of subredits that focuses on individual anime or other things that are very active. Twitter is the worst place alive on the internet. |
| Greatest shitposter under the heavens. Greatest anime tourist on the planet earth. |
| If anything, it is immensely popular in the West. The term “otaku” doesn’t bring about as much shame *as it used to. And I specify the West here since you mentioned Invincible and Arcane. |
| I’m on your crops |
Thread Cleaned Please keep discussion civil |
| This reminds me of the fact that most cosplays in nowadays' events are either Tanjiro or the Akatsuki coat. |
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| From what I have seen, the anime boom here in America was shortlived and only really lasted for the duration of the 2010s. Netflix DVD and later Netflix streaming and the algorhythm placed shows like Fate/Zero, Sword Art Online, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, Death Note, etc, in front of people. That was their gateway. People then started watching the good old stuff like Ghibli movies, Cowboy Bebop, Evangelion, etc, and then maybe got a FUNimation and/or Crunchyroll subscription to watch new stuff coming out like Attack on Titan, Fate UBW, My Hero Academia, Aldnoah Zero, Re:Zero, etc. You then had the Your Name movie that came out in theaters and it looked good, was fast paced, had likeable characters, and was novel since people hadn't remembered seeing an anime in theaters since the Pokémon movies, which were regarded as kids stuff. Towards the end of the 2010s, people had gone through the back catalog of good old anime. They had seen the Ghibli movies, had seen Eva, etc. And we weren't getting great new releases like Fate/Zero anymore. Before Frierien, the last animes that I recall having a sizeable following for them at the time they were coming out were Darling in the Franxx and Violet Evergarden. Both are now forgotten, along with Aldnoah and Re:Zero. The classic animes dry up after around 2010. For several years now, it seems like all of these new "seasonal" anime are only watched by a niche group and are then forgotten, never becoming a classic. Earlier this year, my friends dragged me to an anime convention. There were about 200 to 300 people there, and everyone was in their 30s or late 20s. Only a small handful of parents taking their children. All of the stuff being displayed and sold there was old. Akatsuki cloaks from Naruto. That was 20 years ago. Statues of Gen 1 Pokémon. That was almost 25 years ago. Or posters and dakimakuras of Fate, which was 15+ years ago. Evangelion figurines, again decades ago. There was some new stuff I didn't recognize, but it seems that most of the new characters were not actually from new Japanese animes, but from gacha games. Some ship girl stuff, but mainly Genshin, which is Chinese. And then outside of the con were cars covered in One Piece girls and stuff. To me this seems like anime has become like World of Warcraft and Final Fantasy, where you are not having anywhere near enough young new people coming in to repopulate it. It's a scene of aging people. Ofcourse I have seen a few kids in discords who are into anime, but I am not talking about individuals. I am talking about the holistic scene, and this is what appears to be happening on a mass scale. I think anime had limited appeal in the West. Everyone who is going to be interested in anime has already checked it out, and it will not reach the rest of the normies, be it because normies prefer domestically made live action stuff and/or don't care about foreign cartoons. The domestic stuff like Invincible and Arcane is going to have an edge for normies here because 1. they are produced by Netflix and Amazon and thus slapped on the front page of Netflix and Amazon, and 2. cater more to normie taste for Westerners. I would also say that Arcane and Invincible are not as popular as popular anime. I haven't seen any discussion of Arcane and Invincible more than a few months after they came out. Meanwhile, people still talk about Eva and AoT. |
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