| Is the experience of yuri consumption different for women—perhaps with less stigma or backlash compared to guys and their feelings about yaoi? |
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| "Do girls hate yuri the same way guys hate yaoi?" That's probably the case. |
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| Yuri is in all demographics Shounen/Seinen and Shoujo/Josei Both for male and female gaze in a case by case basis Yaoi however, is greatly hated by a majority of men. The closest thing to it popular with guys is traps who look feminine. |
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| Yes and no :) Yes because I'm a girl and I hate yuri (and yaoi as well) No, because I've seen some other girls in MAL were actually into yuri. |
 (ใฃโโกโ)ใฃ ๐ ๐๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฑ ๐๐ธ๐พ ๐ช๐ต๐ต ๐ฑ๐ช๐ฟ๐ฎ ๐ช ๐๐ธ๐ท๐ญ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฏ๐พ๐ต ๐ญ๐ช๐ ♥ |
| I can only speak for myself, but I have no negative feelings toward yuri. I don’t go out of my way to seek it out, but if something catches my attention and it seems like it’ll be decent, I’ll gladly read/watch it. |
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| No. From what I see online, there are way more women who are open to reading yuri than men who are open to reading yaoi. If I had to guess the reason, it has to do with masculinity, and women in general have higher EQ. Personally, I read yuri from time to time and my sister does as well. I can't say I'm into it, but I certainly don't hate it. I don't really care about the genders/sexuality of the main characters when it comes to reading romance. As long as the story and art is good, I'll read anything. |
  "As promised, all that you seek, all that we desire, is prepared up there. On top of the Tower." |
| Not all guys hate yaoi, you are wrong. I like Bl works. |
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| I always thought bara stuff was more classically the "gay manga/doujin made for gay men", though gay/male BL fans certainly exist. Doesn't yuri-influenced stuff like LycoReco have pretty big women followings? |
Reply to Wrathberry84
@Memore are you straight or gay? I mean that as a honest question and dont want to attack you or something.
Im just interested if there are actualy straight men who look at "gay" content and it does not completly turn them off.
Im just interested if there are actualy straight men who look at "gay" content and it does not completly turn them off.
| @Wrathberry84, I simply like BL, that is all. |
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| also if straight men didn't like anime with homoerotic overtones we would have no explanation for why Death Note is so popular |
| not really, I never encountered yuri hate from woman, I personally don't mind yuri and I'm not into yaoi, I just watch the genre'a If I think something is interesting [or a pretty guy baits me into watching it]. Plus of course they are man that like yaoi [and not only gay/bi man watch it/read it]. Also I'm pretty sure that woman are more accepting and fluid in their sexuality anyway [at least in my bubble] |
[โ๐ฎโโโ๐ฒโ โ๐ฆโ โ๐ตโโ๐ทโโ๐ดโโ๐ซโโ๐ชโโ๐ธโโ๐ธโโ๐ฎโโ๐ดโโ๐ณโโ๐ฆโโ๐ฑโ โ๐ญโโ๐บโโ๐ธโโ๐งโโ๐ฆโโ๐ณโโ๐ฉโโ๐ดโ โ๐จโโ๐ดโโ๐ฑโโ๐ฑโโ๐ชโโ๐จโโ๐นโโ๐ดโโ๐ทโ] |
| A lot of people seem to be under the impression that girls love is always targeted at men, but there have been plenty of girls love manga that have run in shoujo and josei magazines. I recently read Kakeochi Girl, for example. |
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A lot of people seem to be under the impression that girls love is always targeted at men, but there have been plenty of girls love manga that have run in shoujo and josei magazines. I recently read Kakeochi Girl, for example.
| @palm-tree Yeah like nearly half of yuri fans are female https://floatingintobliss.wordpress.com/2017/11/27/yuri-isnt-made-for-men-an-analysis-of-the-demographics-of-yuri-mangaka-and-fans/ |
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Reply to deg
@Wrathberry84 he maybe bisexual at least the bisexual erasure is common https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexual_erasure
| @deg, it doesn't matter, also it is not polite to discuss other people's private lives, remember. |
MemoreJan 16, 1:03 AM
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Reply to Wrathberry84
@Memore well if you write Posts in a thread about a topic, you kinda need to be ready to people trying to discuss things with you about that topic.
Like i said i dont know a single straight man who likes to read or watch yaoi stuff or gay porn. But i know a lot of guys and girls watching and reading yuri stuff and lesbian porn.
Thats why i was just interested, also we are pretty anonymous here. You dont need to be affraid of me hissing a rainbow flag in your garden tomorrow
Like i said i dont know a single straight man who likes to read or watch yaoi stuff or gay porn. But i know a lot of guys and girls watching and reading yuri stuff and lesbian porn.
Thats why i was just interested, also we are pretty anonymous here. You dont need to be affraid of me hissing a rainbow flag in your garden tomorrow
| @Wrathberry84, funny joke indeed. Very rude behavior towards people that you even don't know. And I know plenty of guys who like BL. I don't like the direction of this conversation. It is unpleasant and uncomfortable for me. |
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| Well, as a male, I don't hate either, but both mostly dislike both as far as both being toward the bottom of the list if I were to draw up a list of every recognized genre on MAL from my favorite to least favorite. I'd place them both around equally low near Mecha and Idol-related Music. Sure, if I had to choose, I'd have a slight preference for Yuri, but not by much. I'm just generally not as interested in either of these same-sex relationships (whether male-male or female-female). Only a few outlier exceptions (like Happy Sugar Life). |
Reply to Wrathberry84
@Memore well if you write Posts in a thread about a topic, you kinda need to be ready to people trying to discuss things with you about that topic.
Like i said i dont know a single straight man who likes to read or watch yaoi stuff or gay porn. But i know a lot of guys and girls watching and reading yuri stuff and lesbian porn.
Thats why i was just interested, also we are pretty anonymous here. You dont need to be affraid of me hissing a rainbow flag in your garden tomorrow
Like i said i dont know a single straight man who likes to read or watch yaoi stuff or gay porn. But i know a lot of guys and girls watching and reading yuri stuff and lesbian porn.
Thats why i was just interested, also we are pretty anonymous here. You dont need to be affraid of me hissing a rainbow flag in your garden tomorrow
Wrathberry84 said: Like i said i dont know a single straight man who likes to read or watch yaoi stuff or gay porn. The percentage of straight guys who would openly talk about or admit to this, even if directly asked, is probably pretty small, so chances are it’s much more common than you think. |
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| I don't like yaoi, but I love watching gachimuchi memes. Because most of the time in yaoi guys look like bishonen and not like the man of my dreams. This is different, isn't it? |
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| women like yuri: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2198003 I don't have the bigger study outside of MAL readily available, but from what I remember about 65% of women like yuri, even more than guys (that are just under 60%). The result is a split demographics of men and women for yuri. Meanwhile only about 5-8% of men like yaoi, where almost the entire demographics is female. |
| Speaking as a male, I can't say I hate yaoi, BL, or shows with BL elements, but I am indifferent to it, though I can say the same for every genre that isn't CGDCT, which just happens to have a huge overlap with yuri which I also enjoy. As someone who is indifferent, I simply wouldn't look for anime with those elements, but I wouldn't drop an anime that just happened to have those elements if I stumble into it. That being said, I do raise the point of hate not being equal to indifference, which I am not sure many summaries of polling data makes that distinction. |
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| I'm female and I hate some yuri but I don't particularly hate the genre as a whole, I do hate yaoi though because it tends to be too rapey for my liking. |
| As a guy, I don't hate yaoi. It's just that I've never seen/read many that look like they would appeal to me. If there was a yaoi with a really good story or really well written characters I wouldn't be opposed to checking it out. |
| I don't care that girls dislike yuri. I like yuri myself btw. |
| Yuri as a genre literally started in shoujo manga magazines. |
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| im pretty neutral to yaoi and not interested in it, some western works like The Originals, TLOU even made me respect the gay couple. but those who love old-fashioned fairy-tale stories and seek true love with their own princes, those who love to self-insert into a victim that needs a knight to protect, need a man to rely on, were probably the ones that hate yuri, imo. women like that irl are nothing more than toys for men to play with, when men are bored, they can throw that toy away and get a new one easily. so at the end of the day, that type of girls are but a subject to the male gaze, to their carnal cravings. it makes no difference for any woman who has the ideology of the alpha male superior, which was born from within their fetus, just like the old age, just like in feudalism and patriarchy. |
| You do realize that there are countless of Yuri mangaka who are female right? |
| Nah I think girls are more open or curious about (don't really know the right word to say here?) Yuri compared to guys & Yaoi. I myself don't mind Yaoi though. |
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| I dont think it is any different than man with yaoi, anyone that had conversations/discussions knows that it is an issue to them in the same way that it can be to us. They would claim they dont care/it is good but they will reject it/not watch it/etc. The thing is, women are not usually that "Open" like men are. |
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Reply to Wrathberry84
@KenaiPhoenix i seriously doubt thats true.
i basicaly never saw a women who said that she thinks its disgusting for women to kiss.
but i know a lot of men who really hate watching at two men kissing for example.
of course there are also men who dont care, and so are women. but im 100% sure that there are around 90% more straight women watching yuri than straight men that watch yaoi stuff.
i basicaly never saw a women who said that she thinks its disgusting for women to kiss.
but i know a lot of men who really hate watching at two men kissing for example.
of course there are also men who dont care, and so are women. but im 100% sure that there are around 90% more straight women watching yuri than straight men that watch yaoi stuff.
Wrathberry84 said: @KenaiPhoenix i seriously doubt thats true. i basicaly never saw a women who said that she thinks its disgusting for women to kiss. but i know a lot of men who really hate watching at two men kissing for example. of course there are also men who dont care, and so are women. but im 100% sure that there are around 90% more straight women watching yuri than straight men that watch yaoi stuff. I have meet a lot: from women that are openly against it, women that say they are "ok" but when they see 2 women together they found it gross, and yes, also women that were actually lesbien/bi and didnt have a problem. And they werent many. That idea of "all women are actually bi/lesbian" is one of the most stupid ideas to ever be pushed in the recent years. Probably made by delusional that didn meet a single women outside. And this applies to yuri as well, because of social pressure many will never say "oh yeah, i hated it", they will just silently skip the anime. |
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| I didn’t realise men HATE yaoi. I’m a woman and I’ll read/watch a yuri series without a second thought. FM, MM, FF, I’m not too picky on the gender or sexuality of the characters so long as the art is nice and the story is interesting. That reminds me. I work in a library and my boss (knowing I like manga) asked me to order more LGBT manga and I had to awkwardly explain what yaoi was to her. |
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| It's less about hating and more about lack of interest. Lesbians or bi women are most likely to have some interest in yuri than a straight women for obvious reasons, even so their interest towards yuri isn't strong as gay or bi guys interest towards Yaoi, meawhile straight males liking Yaoi is very rare. Fujoshis in the other hand -at least from my experience being in the BL fandom for many years- have a strong dislike towards female characters in yaoi stories to the point female characters are almost non-existent or just erased from the show. |
ToumaTachibanaJan 16, 10:18 AM
| BANZAI NIPPON. Nippon is the Land of freedom. Nippon is the Land of Peace. Nippon is the Land of Justice and Prosperity. In Nippon, we trust. We love Nippon, we love Anime. Anime love us, Nippon love us. ๆฅๆฌ I believe in freedom of expression. |
| There is something interesting I've seen pointed out in a video about the labels we use for queer anime and manga and how there are discrepancies when male and female characters are the main subject. When Achillean (same sex attracted for men) relationships are shown in Japanese media there is a distinction in the terminology used based off the target demographic the media is aimed towards. Yaoi is aimed more towards heterosexual women while Bara is aimed more towards Achillean men. Meanwhile when it comes to the depiction of sapphic relationships, Yuri is the catch all and there is no distinction in the categorization on what is and isn't made for sapphic women as the intended audience. Therefore the more fetishy stuff made for men is also lumped in with the stuff actually made for sapphic women under the same umbrella. I figured this would be an interesting addition to this conversation to make by pointing this out. |
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Reply to Nutella71
@LadyMarble "boys love is love between boys" type of explanation would've been the least awkward xD
Also, what a dream job. Is working as a librarian as tranquil as they say?
Also, what a dream job. Is working as a librarian as tranquil as they say?
| @Nutella71 I lied a little and told her that yaoi is a Japanese term for the genre of MM romance but didn’t mention girls tend to prefer it or that it can be overly fetishised haha I love this job. It’s the least stressful job I’ve ever had. I get to talk about books with students, I help students and staff with IT issues (anything from password resets to setting up wifi on your phone) and I also run a D&D club for students (something I’ve recently had to learn from scratch as all the club members are novices and wanted me to DM). |
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