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Oct 29, 2024 1:27 AM
#1
| It's always the same type of protagonist, the same villain who always have the same edgelord sidekicks and they're all clearly copied and influenced from the 90s and early 2000s battle shounen. That's plain laziness, I have no idea why they're so popular today or how those lazy creators get away with it. |
Howdym8Oct 29, 2024 4:23 AM
Oct 29, 2024 1:30 AM
#2
| Bait used to be believable. Sure why not invest 100M of your own money and tell me that you would like to take risk. Come back in 20 years kiddo. |
Oct 29, 2024 2:36 AM
#3
| "I just watched [insert anime], can you recommend me anime that are just like that?" |
Oct 29, 2024 2:40 AM
#4
| "Bait used to be believable." People have been saying this for so many years already. I wonder when was the time when baits were "believable". |
Oct 29, 2024 2:44 AM
#5
| I guess it’s a format that works for many creators and audiences. |
Oct 29, 2024 2:46 AM
#6
| There are still many good anime from the past and now, just don't pay attention to bad stuff |
Oct 29, 2024 2:54 AM
#7
| You don't even know what does "literally" mean. |
Oct 29, 2024 2:58 AM
#9
| Is same as Movie and tv series is same just copy the plot and all over same action movie, same Horror it just same. |
Oct 29, 2024 3:49 AM
#10
| Bruh, if it's not broken why u need to fix it? Just remember people who need always some huge differences or creativity are just a small percentage and they're not a guarantee they will bring a lot of money to the creator. So why even bother? It already showed in many award-winning anime they don't really bring an audience. Most people only want to be entertained without a heavy story or plot. Even though they still need to pass some standard that they're entertaining the "Most" audience. |
Oct 29, 2024 4:01 AM
#11
| If that's what you experience then you don't watch enough (good) anime. |
Oct 29, 2024 4:08 AM
#12
| I always wonder this about isekai shows, how are people not sick to death of them? The vast majority of them all have the same generic self-insert protag and pretty much the exact same story again and again. They look so soulless and devoid of any creativity. |
Oct 29, 2024 4:11 AM
#13
Reply to VelvetThorns
I always wonder this about isekai shows, how are people not sick to death of them? The vast majority of them all have the same generic self-insert protag and pretty much the exact same story again and again. They look so soulless and devoid of any creativity.
| @VelvetThorns because they cater to a need for average Japanese because their work life is literally hell so those type of stories act as a damper on the wound and Japanese are the primary customer for anime unless some exceptions it's always the local customers they want it's why producers pitch in because it proved to work. |
Oct 29, 2024 5:00 AM
#14
Reply to Otakupervert890
@VelvetThorns because they cater to a need for average Japanese because their work life is literally hell so those type of stories act as a damper on the wound and Japanese are the primary customer for anime unless some exceptions it's always the local customers they want it's why producers pitch in because it proved to work.
| @Otakupervert890 I get the reason why they became popular in the first place, but the fact that we've been getting a seemingly endless amount of generic, uninteresting isekai for years now makes me wonder why people don't get tired of essentially the same thing over and over and seek a different escape? Is it just that the writing in stories like these do not have to have thought put into them as long as the escape itself exists to any degree? |
Oct 29, 2024 5:24 AM
#15
| This type of post is generic and the same as the millions of posts exactly the same, inspired by posts like it from the 90s and early 2000s. Plain laziness. How do those posters get away with it? |
Oct 29, 2024 5:37 AM
#16
| That's not true, not all anime are like Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete. |
Oct 29, 2024 6:07 AM
#17
| I don't watch many new animes, but in the few animes I do watch, I notice the same clichés, very similar scenes, and not to mention this standard and generic character design in most animes and mangas. Soon, the design of the characters' heads will simply be an upside-down triangle with two circles to represent the eyes. For me, Japanese animation is dead. The Japanese animation industry is just a bunch of otakus making cartoons for another bunch of otakus. |
Oct 29, 2024 6:26 AM
#18
| Some people want to keep eating the same comfort food over and over again. And that's alright, let them cook and eat. I don't really mind. I think there's a fair amount of variety when you consider the whole sphere of anime, and sure there are a lot of consistancies, but there are always a few standouts as well. |
Oct 29, 2024 8:15 AM
#19
Oct 29, 2024 9:16 AM
#21
Reply to Serafos
"Bait used to be believable."
People have been saying this for so many years already. I wonder when was the time when baits were "believable".
People have been saying this for so many years already. I wonder when was the time when baits were "believable".
| @Serafos In the beginning of internet |
Oct 29, 2024 9:20 AM
#22
| I don't think you know what "most" or what "literally" means. One, you seem to mean most "battle shounen", not most anime. Two separate things. if you had said "battle shounen" in the title, my nitpicky ass wouldn't have said anything. Two, for them to be "literally" the same, they'd have to have the same everything, including character design, which they don't. You're talking about tropes, and those exist in literally every type of media. If you're going to ask how anime creators get away with it, it's the same reason every other piece of fiction can, tropes and cliches can't be copywritten. This is basic knowledge. |
FanofActionOct 29, 2024 9:39 AM
Oct 29, 2024 9:35 AM
#23
| Imagine how bro will react when he realizes that this happen not just in anime, but in tv shows, books, series, etc. Absolute originality is practically impossible because all stories, at their core, are reinterpretations of universal themes and archetypes, everything has already been seen or thought, any new work is, in reality, a variation of what already exists and i dont think it has to do anything with laziness. |
Oct 29, 2024 10:40 AM
#24
Oct 29, 2024 2:12 PM
#25
| Well, it is hard (more like impossible) to come up with new innovations because there is no such thing as infinite possibilities. There is very finite possibilities, in reality. And everything that could be invented, has already been invented. |
Oct 29, 2024 2:40 PM
#26
| there is no originality anymore just different execution our life is unoriginal and endless cycle of repetitions too anyway |
Oct 29, 2024 2:44 PM
#27
Oct 29, 2024 3:32 PM
#28
| Because everyone nowadays are creatively bankrupt. |
Oct 29, 2024 3:52 PM
#29
Reply to Otakupervert890
@VelvetThorns because they cater to a need for average Japanese because their work life is literally hell so those type of stories act as a damper on the wound and Japanese are the primary customer for anime unless some exceptions it's always the local customers they want it's why producers pitch in because it proved to work.
| @Otakupervert890 Is it funny how they find time to watch anime? On the weekend? |
| Candies 2025 |
Oct 29, 2024 4:08 PM
#30
| i sure hope no one else gives an actual response to this brain dead bait post |
Migi... Handle the defence. |
Oct 29, 2024 4:09 PM
#31
| Anime completed: 3 Woh there look out we got an expert here. This is just really lame bait. |
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Oct 29, 2024 5:12 PM
#32
| Serious or troll I'll take this seriously as I do feel the same way and know it. You aren't crazy, people can go oh well duh they are the same, or I don't see what you see type responses but I see it too, in many mediums. What works works, what types of power fantasies, what types of self inserts, character designs that do or don't look cool, what people talk up, easily believe, may or may not say is good or bad but still buy into it. Whatever validation, whatever mainstream, whatever depth of people going to nicher series, think about it on more sides. Businesses are doing what works for a reason, audiences either are ok with it or suck it up and don't really care, newcomers come in and fans either eat it up or move on once they realise or 'don't feel it due to a number of factors'. Sure not much we can do but not watch and fund what we want to see happen instead of give up on the medium, or go back to older works even though new audiences come up all the time so try to fight it it's tough. Like Game and Watch was for Nintendo a random person in Japan pressing buttons on a calculator, hey lets make a clock/game system combo and something to press buttons with. Like not everyone has that level of inspiration or how I do with Foamstars think up more than the two modes it has, they aren't good but I mean if foam/a surfboard is all to go on as a base and I have more creative ideas then they do no way they'd hire me it's not money making mindset or it's too ambitious then their safe trending approach. Too much to maintain then 2 modes with my 5+ mode ideas. XD They don't want creativity they want cosmetics/bare minimum that functions to make money. XD I don't know movesets or story telling dynamics matter a lot to me not just easy emotional fulfillment but how to put a spin on the creative process. I don't make anything but I do analyse/pay attention to the finer details sometimes. From Indie games to AAA or other mediums I sense it for sure. So part of it is nostalgia, comfort, similar, easy to manipulate audiences, some people want simple and don't want to seek out a work, or make their own. Others are too inspired too close to a favourite work of theirs and because it's popular or because a production company/publisher wants it to be standardized. So it's multiple factors. Why else wouldn't I hate Indie games that are too much like 'oh we were inspired by this' and it's very obvious they went we made this, and while the level design/assets are original you see the same mechanics and tone as them. Wow how can I get excited if the mechanics are the same, they may play differently but the mechanical ideas to me is enough to say nah pass. As while the writing/tone try to convey as best they can and it's fine. How the games play or what they want to underlyingly offer is why I hate nostalgia/heavily inspired Indies. It's a weird take but it's no different to safe AAA, put the studio under 'make this trend', they never have before and we get either passable or that studio is dead after the project results. Not all Indies have a random idea, prototype enough. It's why I get annoyed. So with anime (bringing it back I just related it to the other as I have strong feelings towards it with games and reflection on it a lot over the years), manga, music, games, whatever medium it's repeat or get a few that are willing to be bold, get past the companies enough to be pushed through and impactful. That's what it needs. People stupid enough to enjoy them or it being genuinely good and not stupid at all and a respectable series. Hpw many reboots do we need to widen the audience, think about it. That's enough to say from me seeing the Steins;gate reboot, wow we got 1, Zero and spin offs...... Huh I think their desperate, maybe try a spin off like Utawarerumono Zan a beat em up approach than it being well a tactics but mostly visual novel. Or what was the point in Steins;gate Elite with the anime cutscenes in it? They need to think bigger they do not. If in terms of trends/gimmicks then yeah, if seeking the same types then well change genres, change studios/creators works, go read different types of manga/visual novels or watch other anime. Do people get too inspired yes, do they watch/read the mainstream only yes, do we see repeats or spins too weak or too copy paste or not spinning up enough yes. I see it all the time. Blame fans of those older works making their own works. Blame their lack of creativity, lack of bolder ideas or is it because of editors/production companies and safeness of 'what works' I mean some bold can be too far but some are worth experiencing so them being Indie works or fan works then purely wide spread is the difference. Being an Indie but even if a company or not and just an individual who seeks them out? Even with Youtube, Pixiv or Writerscafe or others. Who really branches out with ideas, let alone sees the few that do. I make music with a free app, I don't think my structural sound design is good but it's not commercialized that's for sure. Sometimes it's sticking to a genre, other times awkward sound design with the patterns I use of the what key/harmony tool other times it's just the samples and going nuts. Who cares to find it, it takes time to find what app, what communities, what type of uploads. I showcased mods in a game I was familiar with and shared my knowledge but also showed off niche mods, not the same mainstream mods over and over. I broke the mold because I was sick of seeing the same. Who wants to do that only the few people that do and the few people that seek something different, those that mix things up but also are safe about it in 'how they handle their content'. Same with any doujin manga, or short films/animations people may make, finding it. If you want commercialized things to be more creative sometimes look to Indies that are or aren't companies and just creativies making and sharing their things online instead. People get inspired, experience narrow series, only have few ideas to make it differ besides their inspiration from other series. If from experiences themselves they put into it or other people around them then sure or research they do on a topic the series may offer. But most times unless they have a great idea from random most will follow something else they enjoyed that was popular (then niche or people looking past the narrow mainstream show/manga/other source materials) and unless they are the few percent that have an original idea then spin off of others that connected with them in some way. It's one of those things where I can go all slice of life are the same, now is it due to the types of things characters do? Is it the setting? The limits of teen or other aged characters besides the adult ones wider range of limits and difference of flexiblity to places/events they will present (not just age ratings either unless the series is about some younger that do things and a focus on that in a dark way I guess). But yeah unless the themes differ in a multiple ways (as in unique to each person even if sound a bit odd which as unique to them is fair or similar and trying to target the same) to present a love song or whatever else kind of way (I don't mean just romance I mean as in the many ways to present something part) then yeah |
Suntanned_Duck2Oct 29, 2024 5:36 PM
Oct 29, 2024 5:23 PM
#33
Reply to Swyzen
@Otakupervert890 Is it funny how they find time to watch anime? On the weekend?
| @Swyzen yup by recording them for some things japan are still in the 90's. |
Oct 29, 2024 5:57 PM
#34
Reply to VelvetThorns
@Otakupervert890 I get the reason why they became popular in the first place, but the fact that we've been getting a seemingly endless amount of generic, uninteresting isekai for years now makes me wonder why people don't get tired of essentially the same thing over and over and seek a different escape? Is it just that the writing in stories like these do not have to have thought put into them as long as the escape itself exists to any degree?
| @VelvetThorns average Japanese workers don't have the luxury to feel the endless stream of isekai as their lives is already a endless hell. It's not a matter of what it is it's a matter that it is there or not and you can see that by the season with less isekai cranking up fantasy to make up for it. |
Oct 29, 2024 6:57 PM
#35
| Massification due to fear of betting on a work that can fail is real. The industry is not the same as it was back then |
Oct 29, 2024 9:19 PM
#36
| Why does no one bat an eye at the fact that poor-quality baits literally remain the same? Howdym8 said: That's plain laziness |
SgtBateManOct 30, 2024 4:16 AM
Help! I need somebody. Help! Not just anybody. Help! You know I need someone. Helpppppp! |
Oct 29, 2024 9:29 PM
#37
| Hey man, this may come as a shock, but everything is influenced by everything else. there are no wholly original ideas. Like, yeah, Something like JJK was probably influenced by Dragon Ball, which was influenced by Journey to the West and popular media Toriyama Watched, And Journey to the West was influenced by the religious beliefs of China at the time, but if you Showed JJK to an ancient Chinese monk, the similarities would be entirely missing |
Oct 29, 2024 9:32 PM
#38
keystrokes keystrokes keystrokes |
Oct 29, 2024 9:37 PM
#39
| “Why does no one bats an eye at the fact that MOST anime are literally the same?” Because they aren't. Even anime with similar concepts can be vastly different in their execution. |
Nov 1, 2024 9:40 AM
#40
| After watching this seasons's Wajutsushi and Nageki na Bourei, which seem to be stereotypical cookie cutter fantasy anime, I've gotta say that they aren't literally the same thing. The stories are very different. You should complain about the fact that every fantasy world is the same, which is indeed a shame since there are infinite possibilities, but two stories both set on the same planet aren't the same thing. |
NirinboNov 1, 2024 9:45 AM
Nov 1, 2024 9:52 AM
#41
Nov 1, 2024 10:00 AM
#42
| bros forum post🗿bros profile🤡 these days every anime is inspired by another anime.. its getting boring n boring. so i decided to watch only 90s anime from these day forward .. there all og, im excited |
Nov 1, 2024 11:07 AM
#43
| Two type of people here, both who don't bat an eye. 1. The type who don't watch that anime -- the ones who steer clear of the genre and tropes found in the anime you describe. Yes, we all know the most generic plot, male character surrounded by a harem of girls in high school, maybe throw in isekai. But there are still a ton of unique anime that do not fall under that description. You'll never run out of unique anime to watch. 2. The type of people who do watch that anime - I assume a good deal are people new to anime, and they are able to spot the differences and appreciate the difference in each "generic" anime more than people who are more familiar with anime. It's still new and exciting. Or, there are some people who have been watching generic anime for a long time, and they simply enjoy that style and those tropes and don't mind seeing it repackaged. |
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