| Berserk has a interesting legacy that has shifted from time to time in means of growing and adding discussion. In my view for years, I purely saw it as a masterpiece unrivaled in fiction or manga from my perspective in how it shocked and awed me from fantastic art to amazing characters and story. Even with the newer chapters, my love seemed to grow. At one point, I decided to stop reading manga as I found that was all I read and went to classic and newer literature and fell in love. I decided to look back on Berserk and my viewpoints changed. Not just because of the media I consumed but because upon reflection it does that to you. This is to see how time has affected your view for positive and for negative. How do you see this work looking back still? For myself, it went from a 10 to a 7 since I found the artwork less affective and characters more bland and uninteresting but understood why I loved it and still do, but just with more reflection. How has reflection for this work affected your experience? |
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Reply to Bugsbunnyfake
I am an avid admirer of Berserk and can deeply empathize with that sentiment. Initially, when I delved into the world of Berserk, I believed it to be the epitome of excellence. However, upon meticulous examination and critical evaluation, I have come to perceive it as somewhat inferior when compared to literature. As I reflect upon certain chapters, they no longer evoke the same emotions they once did. While The Golden Age remains exceptional and The Lost Children captivates, beyond those instances, it falls short. Nevertheless, it undeniably remains one of the finest creations in the realm of anime/manga.
| @Bugsbunnyfake Amazing breakdown. For myself, I got into Berserk when first reading manga and later read many manga after but none captured me like Berserk. It made me love reading. Then, I later picked up Midnight's Children by Salman Rushdie and was blown away by how meticulous it was. It was a work that challenged me and was so neat and perfect it mesmerized me. Later, I did a trial of trying to read one short classic book a week then got obsessed. I recently have gotten back into Proust, an author who I saw as the Miura of Classic Literature with In Search of Lost Time. I re-read Berserk to break down the work and make notes. While I was astounded in areas such as (the Eclipse, aspects of the Lost Children arc, Miura's last volume for the bliss it evoked, Guts and Griffth's reunion), I was also left critical of it for it's sometimes overly blunt dialogue, excessive use of death (while it can work in areas, it can feel overly excessive in some scenes), poor arcs (such as the one where Gut's is one the boat which didn't live up to it's potential. I love slow arcs that explore characters but it felt boring and wasteful of it's brilliant somewhat concept (the concept of the characters being able to be characters with no fighting demons, just these people talking together), and more. While I love the art in many aspects, it can sometimes feel excessive with detail and I believe less can sometimes be more (love detail, but also wish there was more simplicity personally) While I don't believe Berserk compares to any classic literature in terms of (detail, characters, story, craft, and more,) I still appreciate and love Berserk. It helped me want to read, made many of my days better, gave me hope, and intrigued me more than any series or book ever. |
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Reply to ratliker63
it's definitely incredibly important to the history of manga and in terms of art it's easily top 5, but it's far from this untouchable masterpiece that so many people say it is. after Lost Children it becomes really hit and miss
| @ratliker63 Well said. It's definitely a solid, very good manga, with very beautiful and meticulous art style. A work of art influential to the whole genre. But is it a masterpiece? I don't think so myself. It doesn't take anything from it, or implies its lack of quality. It's just pointing out that Berserk is technically not as magnificent as many of its devoted fans claim to be (and it's normal; you can see such behavior in many other fandoms). As for me, Berserk has become kinda uneven in terms of story and overall enjoyment after the Conviction Arc. The Millenium Falcon Arc was a totally hit or miss in my eyes: very disappointing Holy Evil War Chapter, very good Falconia Chapter. As for the Fantasia Arc, it's hard to tell. It had better and worse moments, but not in such intensity as the previous story arc. Plus it's still ongoing, so it's hard to judge it as a whole when its new Chapter started not that long ago. |
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| The story lost me past eclipse. While the art only ever got better I can't appreciate that it was used to draw more and more shounen-esque fight scenes, it's literally just a battle manga at some point with really good art and a heavy setup but everything apart from that is kind of a meme with how gratuitous it gets with its nonstop usage of edgy tropes like rape and extremely graphic violence (the former being worse than the latter obviously). |
mannyaussie said: I’m so tired of reading reviews saying that kentaro has a rape fetish or berserk is overrated etg The story was in a timeline in which sadly women were abused and raped all the time by sick men. All of you reviewing it and saying all these things really need to come to reality and see that’s this acts unfortunately happen. My opinion is that is one of the best manga but I can’t name one for the best among all. All is say is that if you look at it how people lived back then and the wars everyone experienced every day it’s a very good story Everybody knows that people in this kind of setting would be animals. You need to realize these things can be portrayed without the excessive graphic detail that miura drew them with, or they don't even need to be shown at all, because it's a given that they happen. The fact that miura draws rape so frequently and in such high detail without having it affect the plot in any way past the eclipse absolutely hints at it being a fetish. Your argument about it being "realistic" is exactly like saying you're not an edgelord because you wrote a short story about a hospital getting bombed from the perspective of each patient inside it, just because it happened doesn't mean you have to talk about it in such psychopathic detail and if you do I'll just assume you're getting some sort of gratification from it and I'll be completely justified in assuming so. |
Reply to DayRivia
eyesglimmerin said:
@Bugsbunnyfake
Amazing breakdown. For myself, I got into Berserk when first reading manga and later read many manga after but none captured me like Berserk. It made me love reading. Then, I later picked up Midnight's Children by Salman Rushdie and was blown away by how meticulous it was. It was a work that challenged me and was so neat and perfect it mesmerized me. Later, I did a trial of trying to read one short classic book a week then got obsessed. I recently have gotten back into Proust, an author who I saw as the Miura of Classic Literature with In Search of Lost Time.
I re-read Berserk to break down the work and make notes. While I was astounded in areas such as (the Eclipse, aspects of the Lost Children arc, Miura's last volume for the bliss it evoked, Guts and Griffth's reunion), I was also left critical of it for it's sometimes overly blunt dialogue, excessive use of death (while it can work in areas, it can feel overly excessive in some scenes), poor arcs (such as the one where Gut's is one the boat which didn't live up to it's potential. I love slow arcs that explore characters but it felt boring and wasteful of it's brilliant somewhat concept (the concept of the characters being able to be characters with no fighting demons, just these people talking together), and more. While I love the art in many aspects, it can sometimes feel excessive with detail and I believe less can sometimes be more (love detail, but also wish there was more simplicity personally)
While I don't believe Berserk compares to any classic literature in terms of (detail, characters, story, craft, and more,) I still appreciate and love Berserk. It helped me want to read, made many of my days better, gave me hope, and intrigued me more than any series or book ever.
@Bugsbunnyfake
Amazing breakdown. For myself, I got into Berserk when first reading manga and later read many manga after but none captured me like Berserk. It made me love reading. Then, I later picked up Midnight's Children by Salman Rushdie and was blown away by how meticulous it was. It was a work that challenged me and was so neat and perfect it mesmerized me. Later, I did a trial of trying to read one short classic book a week then got obsessed. I recently have gotten back into Proust, an author who I saw as the Miura of Classic Literature with In Search of Lost Time.
I re-read Berserk to break down the work and make notes. While I was astounded in areas such as (the Eclipse, aspects of the Lost Children arc, Miura's last volume for the bliss it evoked, Guts and Griffth's reunion), I was also left critical of it for it's sometimes overly blunt dialogue, excessive use of death (while it can work in areas, it can feel overly excessive in some scenes), poor arcs (such as the one where Gut's is one the boat which didn't live up to it's potential. I love slow arcs that explore characters but it felt boring and wasteful of it's brilliant somewhat concept (the concept of the characters being able to be characters with no fighting demons, just these people talking together), and more. While I love the art in many aspects, it can sometimes feel excessive with detail and I believe less can sometimes be more (love detail, but also wish there was more simplicity personally)
While I don't believe Berserk compares to any classic literature in terms of (detail, characters, story, craft, and more,) I still appreciate and love Berserk. It helped me want to read, made many of my days better, gave me hope, and intrigued me more than any series or book ever.
You can't compare classic literature with Manga because Mangaka uses art to express details, character emotions, scenery, etc. While in a novel, it all has to be expressed in words and narration, so it feels as though you're absorbing more.
So many people speed read Manga and forgot to appreciate the smaller things. Lots of metaphors and similies that you never get in Manga form.
| @DayRivia Well done post. I disagree, but I understand your perspective. I understand your view of comparing things from two different mediums manga and literature. For myself, I think it is fair to compare anything. For instance, I believe the original Watchmen is a work that holds up even compared to great literary works of the past. It's writing and characters are powerful, and story is interesting. I think anything is comparable but completely understand your viewpoint. Berserk I have compared to classic literature but my criticism of it is mainly due to the work itself separate from the comparison. Critiquing the work with a more critical look thanks to further knowledge on writing itself (like prose for instance or writing characters) changed my experience re-reading Berserk. Thanks for breaking down your viewpoint, you did a good job of making your point and see where you're coming from. |
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| Berserk is 9/10 on Pre-Eclipse and 5/10 with all manga. |
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| No. I have liked Berserk and will continue to like Berserk. |
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| thats valid, probably a 7 for me at the moment too but i kept it at 9. masterpiece for the first 110 chapters or so, around till a few chapters after the eclipse ended but the next arc onwards it's great but with a steady decline up till where we are right now. |
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Reply to Bolona07
It hasn’t aged well. Many other manga were inspired by berserk and it created most of the modern anime tropes. It served as the gateway to what we have now, so even if it isn’t as relevant as it was 20 years ago, we should give credit where credit is due.
Bolona07 said: While many manga were inspired by Berserk, just as Berserk was inspired by older comics, the second part of your statement is not true. Not only it's an overexaggeration, but also belittling a lot of animanga entries that were actually impactful on the anime industry. Both those that were released before and after Berserk's starting date.Many other manga were inspired by berserk and it created most of the modern anime tropes. I'm not saying Berk has never been influential. However, it has never been as much influential as a lot of its fans claim. Dark fantasy is only a small part of the anime cake. I see somewhat similar stuff getting repeated by soulslike fans, as if games created by From Software that were heavily influenced by the Berserk's world, had a popcuktural significance equal to mainstream, iconic stuff. |
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| There's still no better fantasy saga out there than Berserk, so not really. |
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Reply to Ridzaxster
I Love Berserk Manga.
Kentaro Miura Art is Masterpiece
But One piece is still better than berserk. The story writing, characters and world building are very detailed and neat. I don't have high hopes for Berserk Studio Gaga, Miura Art is still better. I hope this manga ends with a happy ending.๐๐๐
Kentaro Miura Art is Masterpiece
But One piece is still better than berserk. The story writing, characters and world building are very detailed and neat. I don't have high hopes for Berserk Studio Gaga, Miura Art is still better. I hope this manga ends with a happy ending.๐๐๐
| @Ridzaxster Great post. I'm planning to re-read parts of One Piece to see how that holds up. Wasn't a fan personally of the Netflix live action but understood why fans liked it. |
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Reply to Ridzaxster
I Love Berserk Manga.
Kentaro Miura Art is Masterpiece
But One piece is still better than berserk. The story writing, characters and world building are very detailed and neat. I don't have high hopes for Berserk Studio Gaga, Miura Art is still better. I hope this manga ends with a happy ending.๐๐๐
Kentaro Miura Art is Masterpiece
But One piece is still better than berserk. The story writing, characters and world building are very detailed and neat. I don't have high hopes for Berserk Studio Gaga, Miura Art is still better. I hope this manga ends with a happy ending.๐๐๐
| @Ridzaxster You trippin. Berserk is not in the same or lower league. if you want to compare one piece to something, compare it to looney tunes, tom & jerry or other shit |
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| In my opnion there can be some arcs that can be conceived a little weaker, but the highs of berserk are one of the strongest of the medium |
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| It is hilarious to watch gen z kids rage at the unhinged,mature themes in stories like Berserk and try to make an argument based on their limited understanding of the current world and reality. These kids come from an extremely controlled PG-13 society where everything is censored to fit the childish narrative and world view their current socio-political masters want. Do yourselves a favour kids, and remain in your safe space. The world is not a nice Place, and nothing is gonna go your way just because you scream loudly and proclaim yourself righteous. And yes, i speak from personal experience. |
Reply to Zoldra0
There's still no better fantasy saga out there than Berserk, so not really.
Zoldra0 said: There's still no better fantasy saga out there than Berserk, so not really. One random chapter from asoiaf detailing the walls of nightwatch is better than berserk Berserk is really good for the first half (till the end of conviction arc) but after then it sort of becomes kinda like a normal battle-shonen manga. I like shonen but that is kinda misplaced in berserk. Also whatever the fuck miura was doing instead of actually advancing the plot  Adnash said: While many manga were inspired by Berserk, just as Berserk was inspired by older comics, the second part of your statement is not true. Not only it's an overexaggeration, but also belittling a lot of animanga entries that were actually impactful on the anime industry. Both those that were released before and after Berserk's starting date. I'm not saying Berk has never been influential. However, it has never been as much influential as a lot of its fans claim. Dark fantasy is only a small part of the anime cake. I see somewhat similar stuff getting repeated by soulslike fans, as if games created by From Software that were heavily influenced by the Berserk's world, had a popcuktural significance equal to mainstream, iconic stuff. In some discussions I even witnessed the fanboys call miura as the tolkien of japan for reshaping the genre's (or medium's?) landscape. Like please be serious. dzudoKing said: You trippin. Berserk is not in the same or lower league. if you want to compare one piece to something, compare it to looney tunes, tom & jerry or other shit Go back to reading your mid chainsaw man manga where an entire chapter somehow has less content than one panel of a well written manga BakLol said: It is hilarious to watch gen z kids rage at the unhinged,mature themes in stories like Berserk and try to make an argument based on their limited understanding of the current world and reality. These kids come from an extremely controlled PG-13 society where everything is censored to fit the childish narrative and world view their current socio-political masters want. Do yourselves a favour kids, and remain in your safe space. The world is not a nice Place, and nothing is gonna go your way just because you scream loudly and proclaim yourself righteous. And yes, i speak from personal experience. Your post sounds like that one rick and morty post of "high iq" hell it literally ends with "and yes i speak from experience" ("and yes that tattoo is for the ladies only") This is you btw  |
Reply to Iheartshitflex
Zoldra0 said:
There's still no better fantasy saga out there than Berserk, so not really.
There's still no better fantasy saga out there than Berserk, so not really.
One random chapter from asoiaf detailing the walls of nightwatch is better than berserk
Berserk is really good for the first half (till the end of conviction arc) but after then it sort of becomes kinda like a normal battle-shonen manga. I like shonen but that is kinda misplaced in berserk.
Also whatever the fuck miura was doing instead of actually advancing the plot
Adnash said:
While many manga were inspired by Berserk, just as Berserk was inspired by older comics, the second part of your statement is not true. Not only it's an overexaggeration, but also belittling a lot of animanga entries that were actually impactful on the anime industry. Both those that were released before and after Berserk's starting date.
I'm not saying Berk has never been influential. However, it has never been as much influential as a lot of its fans claim. Dark fantasy is only a small part of the anime cake. I see somewhat similar stuff getting repeated by soulslike fans, as if games created by From Software that were heavily influenced by the Berserk's world, had a popcuktural significance equal to mainstream, iconic stuff.
While many manga were inspired by Berserk, just as Berserk was inspired by older comics, the second part of your statement is not true. Not only it's an overexaggeration, but also belittling a lot of animanga entries that were actually impactful on the anime industry. Both those that were released before and after Berserk's starting date.
I'm not saying Berk has never been influential. However, it has never been as much influential as a lot of its fans claim. Dark fantasy is only a small part of the anime cake. I see somewhat similar stuff getting repeated by soulslike fans, as if games created by From Software that were heavily influenced by the Berserk's world, had a popcuktural significance equal to mainstream, iconic stuff.
In some discussions I even witnessed the fanboys call miura as the tolkien of japan for reshaping the genre's (or medium's?) landscape. Like please be serious.
dzudoKing said:
You trippin. Berserk is not in the same or lower league. if you want to compare one piece to something, compare it to looney tunes, tom & jerry or other shit
You trippin. Berserk is not in the same or lower league. if you want to compare one piece to something, compare it to looney tunes, tom & jerry or other shit
Go back to reading your mid chainsaw man manga where an entire chapter somehow has less content than one panel of a well written manga
BakLol said:
It is hilarious to watch gen z kids rage at the unhinged,mature themes in stories like Berserk and try to make an argument based on their limited understanding of the current world and reality. These kids come from an extremely controlled PG-13 society where everything is censored to fit the childish narrative and world view their current socio-political masters want.
Do yourselves a favour kids, and remain in your safe space. The world is not a nice Place, and nothing is gonna go your way just because you scream loudly and proclaim yourself righteous.
And yes, i speak from personal experience.
It is hilarious to watch gen z kids rage at the unhinged,mature themes in stories like Berserk and try to make an argument based on their limited understanding of the current world and reality. These kids come from an extremely controlled PG-13 society where everything is censored to fit the childish narrative and world view their current socio-political masters want.
Do yourselves a favour kids, and remain in your safe space. The world is not a nice Place, and nothing is gonna go your way just because you scream loudly and proclaim yourself righteous.
And yes, i speak from personal experience.
Your post sounds like that one rick and morty post of "high iq" hell it literally ends with "and yes i speak from experience" ("and yes that tattoo is for the ladies only")
This is you btw
| @Iheartshitflex I am not white. I am not westerner. I am not Christian. Take your American/western culture tags and take a hike, you people are ruining entertainment and life in general for the rest of the world. with your stupidity and ignorance, and the pathological need to make everyone in the world the same as you. |
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