Spoiler: Vivy Ending Doesn't Make Sense

Oct 27, 2023 10:08 AM

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Can somebody please, please explain the ending? Archive said that it would stop the killing if Vivy sang her song.. so why did matsumoto and toak try to stop it with a virus?? all they had to do was have vivy sing right? and also even once vivy started sining, the machines were still fighting, why didn't they stop??

Oct 27, 2023 10:16 AM

Beyblade1507

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Apr 2023

I watched the anime like a year ago. I don't remember a thing.The grace arc was good tho and ophelia arc was also good.
I remember I also didn't know the ending but I asked my friend and he told me I think.
Now I can barely remember and I don't even remember how it ended until you made me.Idk it might have to do with the song vivy made in that room or whatever.

Oct 27, 2023 11:31 AM

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It’s been a while since I’ve seen it, but iirc once she started singing Archive stopped controlling the satellites and stuff which cause them to start raining down on Earth (thought it’s also possible Archive was trying to stop her). For the virus, are you talking about when Archive wiped out everyone? Because if so at that point Vivy couldn’t get herself to sing the song, so after Archive succeeded she use Osamu’s time machine to go back to the start of Archive’s rampage, tell them the update, which is when they had to leave Osamu to die and eventually she ended up singing

Oct 27, 2023 12:19 PM

Kudzio

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Well, i finished it like a week ago and also found the ending a bit messy, i didnt fully understood it. Episodes 11-13 definitely were not as high quality as previous ones

Oct 27, 2023 3:29 PM

ciiviic

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watched while it was airing and just idk, i dont remember being special at all and i cant remember anything besides some fighting, singing, bombs and a bear

Oct 27, 2023 5:02 PM

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Honestly just like almost everyone else on this thread, I watched it while it aired and I don't remember the ending that well sadly. But from what I remember feeling like when I finished the last episode, it was real satisfaction. But yeah that probably tells nothing about the ending itself rip.

"To the boy who once sought freedom, goodbye." 🕊️

Oct 28, 2023 12:35 PM

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Heywood-Jablowme said:
Can somebody please, please explain the ending? Archive said that it would stop the killing if Vivy sang her song.. so why did matsumoto and toak try to stop it with a virus?? all they had to do was have vivy sing right? and also even once vivy started sining, the machines were still fighting, why didn't they stop??

The whole thing doesn’t made sense 😀

Oct 29, 2023 4:03 PM

NovaAirgetlam

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I mean there was a reset or something right? Vivy made the choice as well? Or something like that?

Nov 5, 2023 10:28 AM

JammyClammy

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I think its like Vivy was singing and that was one thing to stop the archive but likely due to the archive thinking that the robots dont need humans due to Vivy being able to write her own song it was still gonna go ahead thus needing the virus to be deployed.

Nov 25, 2023 1:10 AM

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It didn't make sense. The Archive told her they would give her the choice because a small part of itself believed in her, but it seemed like when she started to sing the Archive just didn't care and maybe even tried to stop her with the last satellite. I think they used the virus to wipe the Archive's personality that was red (wanted to kill) and the last bit that was blue (believed in her and humanity) stopped everything. It still doesn't make sense that the Archive told her the choice is hers but still went along killing and starting the satellite fall all waiting for a concert instead of just giving her a yes or no choice. The AI and Archive already heard her song, the Archive said so and they were all singing it.

Did anyone else notice when the scientist was about to send her back a second time, he saw a live feed of her sitting in the chair list in episode 1? They seriously just replayed the same scene to us and just added a new ending to it.

Nov 28, 2023 8:18 PM

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@ScienceFiction97 The Archive does have essentially two components. In episode 12, you can see two distinct versions of the Archive: one that appears as a giant floating head with a cityscape as a background and one represented by the typical Archive piano room seen throughout the series. The series makes sure to delineate between the two by having the cityscape Archive refer to itself as "we" and the piano room Archive refer to itself with singular pronouns like "I"; both sides of the Archive also have different vocal representations, with the cityscape Archive having a multi-layered voice and the piano room Archive having a singular voice (showing its more so in the minority). The former goes ahead with the original calculations to supplant humanity and the latter is the one who gives Vivy the choice to prove her mission by singing with all her heart, showing that her mission, as the "epitome" of AI evolution, is indeed the right one and that humanity deserves to be saved. Hence, why the Archive still drops the satellites since it isn't in uniform agreement and why Vivy has to tangibly prove her mission rather than the Archive just stopping the uprising outright. As for the virus, that was to stop the satellites from falling and to broadcast Vivy's song, and I think you're right that it essentially wiped the Archive, but had enough time for the shutdown program to work.

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