is the writing actually bad

Oct 1, 2023 2:03 AM

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- Toji just appearing - What exactly did you want? 5 chapters explaining how he got there? We already knew he was free in Shibuya. He was always going to appear in a fight.

- Random memories - Not random at all. Yuji being Kenjaku's son is a MAJOR plot point. Choso is also Kenjaku's son, so why wouldn't there be a scene like that? It was the perfect time for that plot twist.

- Latest chapters - Literally nothing wrong with them. There's just clearly, as said by Gege himself, a chapter between 235 and 236 missing. We need to get over it and accept that we'll probably get those events only in the anime, or the volume release. 236 itself is as perfect as Gojo's death could be.

And as for the deaths. After Chapter 100, here's the major deaths we have seen - Jogo, Dagon, Mahito, Nanami, Yaga, Mai, and then directly Yuki after that. Now Gojo.

Tell me one death here, other than Yuki, which was unjustified. Everyone agrees that Yuki vs. Kenjaku could have been written better. But that's the only bad death I can think of. Every other one adds to both a character's and the main plot's development.

P.S. - Absolutely unrelated. But there's also zero deaths in CSM that I think are for shock value. Every single one of them is important to Denji's character development. No matter how minor.

Oct 1, 2023 5:20 AM

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RandomPerson9348 said:
- Toji just appearing - What exactly did you want? 5 chapters explaining how he got there? We already knew he was free in Shibuya. He was always going to appear in a fight.

- Random memories - Not random at all. Yuji being Kenjaku's son is a MAJOR plot point. Choso is also Kenjaku's son, so why wouldn't there be a scene like that? It was the perfect time for that plot twist.

- Latest chapters - Literally nothing wrong with them. There's just clearly, as said by Gege himself, a chapter between 235 and 236 missing. We need to get over it and accept that we'll probably get those events only in the anime, or the volume release. 236 itself is as perfect as Gojo's death could be.

And as for the deaths. After Chapter 100, here's the major deaths we have seen - Jogo, Dagon, Mahito, Nanami, Yaga, Mai, and then directly Yuki after that. Now Gojo.

Tell me one death here, other than Yuki, which was unjustified. Everyone agrees that Yuki vs. Kenjaku could have been written better. But that's the only bad death I can think of. Every other one adds to both a character's and the main plot's development.

P.S. - Absolutely unrelated. But there's also zero deaths in CSM that I think are for shock value. Every single one of them is important to Denji's character development. No matter how minor.

thanks for saving me the time to write all this...👍👍

Oct 1, 2023 7:19 AM

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MongoDB said:
is killing characters off good writing? there were many deaths that just seemed so random and convenient. also there were strangely convenient moments like people showing out of nowhere (toji entering domain), random memories appearing (choso, yuji plot armor), and events from the recent chapters (gojo).

I felt the quality started going downhill around chapter 100 or so? And from there it just seemed like the author didn't want to spend any effort to conclude character arcs/development and just get rid of characters to "shock" the audience and hopefully boost ratings and popularity. As if inspired by series like GOT, CSM. Thoughts?

The manga’s writing quality definitely took a huge nose dive. While I disagree with your statement on certain character deaths being “random” and “convenient” I do believe there is plenty of plot armor and poor execution in explaining characters powers. The conclusion to the Culling Games Arc and the current arc feel extremely rushed. It comes off as Gege no longer having a passion for the manga and wanting to get it over with. For example, the earlier post explaining the current “missing chapter” situation. If it is true that Gege skipped a chapter and has to make up for it then that’s poor and rushed writing. There’s also a majority of readers that didn’t understand the Culling Games Arc. It’s not that the writing was “too complex” or “people aren’t smart enough to understand”, it was just poorly written.

Oct 1, 2023 8:37 AM

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MongoDB said:
is killing characters off good writing? there were many deaths that just seemed so random and convenient. also there were strangely convenient moments like people showing out of nowhere (toji entering domain), random memories appearing (choso, yuji plot armor), and events from the recent chapters (gojo).

I felt the quality started going downhill around chapter 100 or so? And from there it just seemed like the author didn't want to spend any effort to conclude character arcs/development and just get rid of characters to "shock" the audience and hopefully boost ratings and popularity. As if inspired by series like GOT, CSM. Thoughts?

I’m glad someone is saying something, at least. Considering the massive hype train, no one seems to be allowed to make any sound judgements about the series, without being met with intense run-around logic from diehard fans.

But yes, I agree. In the sense of deaths, the writing has been especially bad. As Akutami doesn’t seem to dwell or let the death of a character sink in at all. It’s almost set up in the way that you think there’s going to be another chapter or so on it and then POOF— there’s no elaboration. Moving on with this admittedly confusing story, complicated cursed technique / domain jargon, and frequent “I just healed again!” nonsense.

I don’t despise the series, but I have always noticed this.

Oct 1, 2023 8:42 AM

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MongoDB said:
is killing characters off good writing? there were many deaths that just seemed so random and convenient. also there were strangely convenient moments like people showing out of nowhere (toji entering domain), random memories appearing (choso, yuji plot armor), and events from the recent chapters (gojo).

I felt the quality started going downhill around chapter 100 or so? And from there it just seemed like the author didn't want to spend any effort to conclude character arcs/development and just get rid of characters to "shock" the audience and hopefully boost ratings and popularity. As if inspired by series like GOT, CSM. Thoughts?

Don't blame the writing just because gojo died. you must be a gojo simp.

Oct 1, 2023 8:52 AM

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RandomPerson9348 said:
- Toji just appearing - What exactly did you want? 5 chapters explaining how he got there? We already knew he was free in Shibuya. He was always going to appear in a fight.

- Random memories - Not random at all. Yuji being Kenjaku's son is a MAJOR plot point. Choso is also Kenjaku's son, so why wouldn't there be a scene like that? It was the perfect time for that plot twist.

- Latest chapters - Literally nothing wrong with them. There's just clearly, as said by Gege himself, a chapter between 235 and 236 missing. We need to get over it and accept that we'll probably get those events only in the anime, or the volume release. 236 itself is as perfect as Gojo's death could be.

And as for the deaths. After Chapter 100, here's the major deaths we have seen - Jogo, Dagon, Mahito, Nanami, Yaga, Mai, and then directly Yuki after that. Now Gojo.

Tell me one death here, other than Yuki, which was unjustified. Everyone agrees that Yuki vs. Kenjaku could have been written better. But that's the only bad death I can think of. Every other one adds to both a character's and the main plot's development.

P.S. - Absolutely unrelated. But there's also zero deaths in CSM that I think are for shock value. Every single one of them is important to Denji's character development. No matter how minor.

I personally don't find Yuki vs Kenjaku to be bad at all, and it was relevant to Choso's development as well.

Oct 1, 2023 10:56 AM

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you read jjk for the amaizing fights and fun characters not the writing

Oct 1, 2023 11:33 AM

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MongoDB said:
is killing characters off good writing? there were many deaths that just seemed so random and convenient. also there were strangely convenient moments like people showing out of nowhere (toji entering domain), random memories appearing (choso, yuji plot armor), and events from the recent chapters (gojo).

I felt the quality started going downhill around chapter 100 or so? And from there it just seemed like the author didn't want to spend any effort to conclude character arcs/development and just get rid of characters to "shock" the audience and hopefully boost ratings and popularity. As if inspired by series like GOT, CSM. Thoughts?

If you've read the Chainsaw Man manga until Vol 10 at least, you'd know that NONE of the deaths in it were for mere 'shock value'. Just because something actually IS shocking, doesn't instantly cheapen a work either.

Oct 1, 2023 12:22 PM

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CrimsonPunk01 said:

MongoDB said:
is killing characters off good writing? there were many deaths that just seemed so random and convenient. also there were strangely convenient moments like people showing out of nowhere (toji entering domain), random memories appearing (choso, yuji plot armor), and events from the recent chapters (gojo).

I felt the quality started going downhill around chapter 100 or so? And from there it just seemed like the author didn't want to spend any effort to conclude character arcs/development and just get rid of characters to "shock" the audience and hopefully boost ratings and popularity. As if inspired by series like GOT, CSM. Thoughts?

The manga’s writing quality definitely took a huge nose dive. While I disagree with your statement on certain character deaths being “random” and “convenient” I do believe there is plenty of plot armor and poor execution in explaining characters powers. The conclusion to the Culling Games Arc and the current arc feel extremely rushed. It comes off as Gege no longer having a passion for the manga and wanting to get it over with. For example, the earlier post explaining the current “missing chapter” situation. If it is true that Gege skipped a chapter and has to make up for it then that’s poor and rushed writing. There’s also a majority of readers that didn’t understand the Culling Games Arc. It’s not that the writing was “too complex” or “people aren’t smart enough to understand”, it was just poorly written.

I feel like the missed chapter situation is annoying for sure. But it isn't the fault of the writing. It has nothing to do with it.

He just made a mistake. It's as simple as that. I agree that it's careless, but nobody's perfect. Especially that one-eyed cat.

Oct 1, 2023 12:30 PM

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Cyroro said:

RandomPerson9348 said:
- Toji just appearing - What exactly did you want? 5 chapters explaining how he got there? We already knew he was free in Shibuya. He was always going to appear in a fight.

- Random memories - Not random at all. Yuji being Kenjaku's son is a MAJOR plot point. Choso is also Kenjaku's son, so why wouldn't there be a scene like that? It was the perfect time for that plot twist.

- Latest chapters - Literally nothing wrong with them. There's just clearly, as said by Gege himself, a chapter between 235 and 236 missing. We need to get over it and accept that we'll probably get those events only in the anime, or the volume release. 236 itself is as perfect as Gojo's death could be.

And as for the deaths. After Chapter 100, here's the major deaths we have seen - Jogo, Dagon, Mahito, Nanami, Yaga, Mai, and then directly Yuki after that. Now Gojo.

Tell me one death here, other than Yuki, which was unjustified. Everyone agrees that Yuki vs. Kenjaku could have been written better. But that's the only bad death I can think of. Every other one adds to both a character's and the main plot's development.

P.S. - Absolutely unrelated. But there's also zero deaths in CSM that I think are for shock value. Every single one of them is important to Denji's character development. No matter how minor.

I personally don't find Yuki vs Kenjaku to be bad at all, and it was relevant to Choso's development as well.

I agree that it's massive for Choso's character development.

I just mean that Yuki was hyped for so long, but ended up not doing a lot. Not only in a fighting sense, but also a character sense. She was never properly explored, even though she's one of the most interesting and relevant characters in the entire story; considering her whole thing is researching cursed energy.

I have no doubt that the book Choso gave Yuji will probably act as a supplement to her pretty soon, but it would've been nice to hear some info from her herself.

I understand that it serves to show how strong Kenjaku is, but it's just a bit disappointing that Yuki was the only candidate to do that.

Oct 1, 2023 1:04 PM

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Its so disappointing to see ppl start shit talking the author or the whole story n art just because the overpowered overhyped overrated character died😂
its a SHOUNEN manga the mc is gotta be yuji or yuta . all those kids and jj students are the ones who‘re supposed to defeat the antagonists !
Gege‘s writing is not bad . I used to question his messy arts (I appreciate his hard work but the art is not as good as many other mangas with the same rating, imo.) but i respect him sm especially after he FINALLY eliminated gojo‘s character!
As he said once before he made gojos character too strong and that made it hard for him to write the story he wants. (I dont remember his exact comment but it was smth like that)

Gojo fans are so disappointing and its so disgusting to watch them send gege death threats or shit talk his work n etc!
And idk where these fans were when gege killed nobara, mai, tsukumo, tsumiki and many other potential characters….

Be grateful gege created your favourite character. And be grateful he gave him a great death. He fought well~

🌸伊黒さん、お願い…もし生まれ変わってまた人間に戻れたら、…..🌸

Oct 1, 2023 1:55 PM

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MongoDB said:
is killing characters off good writing? there were many deaths that just seemed so random and convenient. also there were strangely convenient moments like people showing out of nowhere (toji entering domain), random memories appearing (choso, yuji plot armor), and events from the recent chapters (gojo).

I felt the quality started going downhill around chapter 100 or so? And from there it just seemed like the author didn't want to spend any effort to conclude character arcs/development and just get rid of characters to "shock" the audience and hopefully boost ratings and popularity. As if inspired by series like GOT, CSM. Thoughts?

Killing off characters isn't good or bad writing, but how/why you kill off a character and its impacts to the story and characters can make it good or bad.

With JJK's established combat system, it would be pretty hard to reasonably write characters out of getting killed during a fight. You'd have to keep doing things to the characters or the world that I'd argue would be even more plot armor/convenience/general BS than what most people feel like Gege is already doing. For example, in Hakari's fight against Kashimo, Gege needed to pull something like the arm sacrifice binding vow that saved Hakaris body in order to keep him from dying (however in this case it made a bit more sense since we already knew about binding vows and rct, etc).That's just an example of the kind of stuff we would expect to see constantly if Gege didn't just kill off characters.

In my opinion, most of the deaths that Gege wrote were well written in the sense that the character's death served a greater purpose, like developing another character or advancing the plot. Atm I can't think of a time off the top of my head where someone's death was BS/random/convenient (not even Gojos).

People were saying how Yuki's death was bad but I'd argue that it helped a lot with Choso's development and keeping Kenjaku's position as a huge threat and one of the primary antagonists. There also weren't many characters (if any) that would've been able to fill the role to do so.

Gojo's death was unsatisfying for a lot of people but it made a lot of sense given what Gege has established previously in the series (like Mahoraga in chapter 118, sukunas interest in megumi since the start of the series, domain sure hits/domain amplification, tojis cursed weapon, limitless being the only thing making gojo "the strongest", etc). Gojo's character was ironically a roadblock for other things like the development of other characters and progressing the plot.

I'm not gonna justify/explain the impacts of every character's death but you get the idea. Thanks for hearing me out.

Oct 1, 2023 5:19 PM

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malealchemy said:

I’m glad someone is saying something, at least. Considering the massive hype train, no one seems to be allowed to make any sound judgements about the series, without being met with intense run-around logic from diehard fans.

But yes, I agree. In the sense of deaths, the writing has been especially bad. As Akutami doesn’t seem to dwell or let the death of a character sink in at all. It’s almost set up in the way that you think there’s going to be another chapter or so on it and then POOF— there’s no elaboration. Moving on with this admittedly confusing story, complicated cursed technique / domain jargon, and frequent “I just healed again!” nonsense.

I don’t despise the series, but I have always noticed this.

There’s no time for deaths to sink in but thats fine, the pacing would be off if we got more chapters on a characters death. There’s no time to mourn with how fast paced the story is. Sucks to suck.

Also you call it bad when really you just don’t understand. Admittedly its complex, but its not THAT hars

The only thing I referred to as “bad” was the writing itself, which you admitted was both fast-paced and complex. If / I / don’t despise the series from these beliefs of yours that I also agree upon, then I do not shame anyone for not liking the series at all. I would totally understand it.

Only reason I don’t full on dislike it, is because I go back and read previous chapters, as well as watching the anime as it’s being produced. Different translations offer different perspectives, but don’t just completely outrule it from being “hard” to follow for someone else. You just admitted it was complex 😭😂

Oct 1, 2023 7:09 PM

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wimsy said:

CrimsonPunk01 said:

The manga’s writing quality definitely took a huge nose dive. While I disagree with your statement on certain character deaths being “random” and “convenient” I do believe there is plenty of plot armor and poor execution in explaining characters powers. The conclusion to the Culling Games Arc and the current arc feel extremely rushed. It comes off as Gege no longer having a passion for the manga and wanting to get it over with. For example, the earlier post explaining the current “missing chapter” situation. If it is true that Gege skipped a chapter and has to make up for it then that’s poor and rushed writing. There’s also a majority of readers that didn’t understand the Culling Games Arc. It’s not that the writing was “too complex” or “people aren’t smart enough to understand”, it was just poorly written.

People once again using plot armor to say “i think x character should have won”

It doesn’t matter which character “should” win. In the end that’s up to the writer. That being said it’s lazy writing to have a character win because “insert crazy power character wasn’t expecting or knew about”. It’s more engaging for a reader for a character to prevail over another character with a pre-established explanation to the character’s power. It also keeps the fight fast paced with no need to explain how a power works. When a power readers are unfamiliar with is sprung from thin air to move the plot along then that comes off as either rushed, lazy, or both. This has been a trope throughout JJK and many other popular shonen as well.

Oct 1, 2023 7:51 PM

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Even if I felt there was a major misstep with Chapter 236, overall the series is very well-written and I look forward to reading more. Now if Megumi fucking dies in the next few chapters, then yeah, I'll say this series has gone to shit.

I think it is important to recognize that not every work is perfect. Most if any are not, and even great series have their missteps. This is the thing to expect with serialized works like Jujutsu Kaisen. There is a difference between saying "this chapter was poorly written" and "this series was poorly written".

Also I have to agree, Yuki should have remained alive from her fight with Kenjaku. With Gojo versus Sukuna I can understand Gojo's death to a better extent than Yuki's death, simply due to the power difference. While Gojo still had plot significant up until his death, Yuki introduced an entire theme with a solution to the cursed energy issues with non-sorcerers, and it is such a shame that this plot point was seemingly forgotten. Yuki was strong, but she was not broken to the extent Gojo was, and she had a ton of potential.

Gege had every reason not to kill her unlike Gojo.

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Oct 1, 2023 8:23 PM

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I would say overall the writing is above average, but Ch 236 felt so bad and recency bias makes the series seem worse than it is.

My main criticisms for the series would be character bloat, there are a lot of random characters introduced that take away time from the main cast and some of these side characters disappear never to be seen again. Gege could've told the same story with a few less characters and given that time to main cast for more development and give them some kind of hope going into the fight against Sukuna other than Gojo hard carrying.

I also wish he would just confirm if Nobara is dead or alive, leaving it ambiguous for 100+ chapters is terrible.

Oct 1, 2023 10:08 PM

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wimsy said:

malealchemy said:

The only thing I referred to as “bad” was the writing itself, which you admitted was both fast-paced and complex. If / I / don’t despise the series from these beliefs of yours that I also agree upon, then I do not shame anyone for not liking the series at all. I would totally understand it.

Only reason I don’t full on dislike it, is because I go back and read previous chapters, as well as watching the anime as it’s being produced. Different translations offer different perspectives, but don’t just completely outrule it from being “hard” to follow for someone else. You just admitted it was complex 😭😂

You literally said as far as deaths go the writing is bad. You unironically think characters getting obituary chapters would make for better writing

It definitely would, considering the inverse is the equivalent of them dropping off the face of the earth like they never existed in the first place. Yuki hasn’t been mentioned since and they just recently gave Nobara a mention.

An obituary isn’t necessary, but more leading and following it would / should be how it’s done. Otherwise, there is no reason for anyone remotely important to die.

Oct 2, 2023 12:30 AM

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RandomPerson9348 said:
- Toji just appearing - What exactly did you want? 5 chapters explaining how he got there? We already knew he was free in Shibuya. He was always going to appear in a fight.

- Random memories - Not random at all. Yuji being Kenjaku's son is a MAJOR plot point. Choso is also Kenjaku's son, so why wouldn't there be a scene like that? It was the perfect time for that plot twist.

- Latest chapters - Literally nothing wrong with them. There's just clearly, as said by Gege himself, a chapter between 235 and 236 missing. We need to get over it and accept that we'll probably get those events only in the anime, or the volume release. 236 itself is as perfect as Gojo's death could be.

And as for the deaths. After Chapter 100, here's the major deaths we have seen - Jogo, Dagon, Mahito, Nanami, Yaga, Mai, and then directly Yuki after that. Now Gojo.

Tell me one death here, other than Yuki, which was unjustified. Everyone agrees that Yuki vs. Kenjaku could have been written better. But that's the only bad death I can think of. Every other one adds to both a character's and the main plot's development.

P.S. - Absolutely unrelated. But there's also zero deaths in CSM that I think are for shock value. Every single one of them is important to Denji's character development. No matter how minor.

I think that whole chapter missing thing by Gege is just a joke because he knows how abrupt the transition between those chapters felt. I doubt he’s in a rush to talk about Gojo anytime soon.

And as for the character deaths I won’t say Mai and Yaga’s or Tsumiki’s were bad deaths from a story perspective but I do think there was no impact on the reader when they happened due to how under utilized they felt throughout the series prior.

Oct 2, 2023 12:45 AM

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treejoh said:

RandomPerson9348 said:
- Toji just appearing - What exactly did you want? 5 chapters explaining how he got there? We already knew he was free in Shibuya. He was always going to appear in a fight.

- Random memories - Not random at all. Yuji being Kenjaku's son is a MAJOR plot point. Choso is also Kenjaku's son, so why wouldn't there be a scene like that? It was the perfect time for that plot twist.

- Latest chapters - Literally nothing wrong with them. There's just clearly, as said by Gege himself, a chapter between 235 and 236 missing. We need to get over it and accept that we'll probably get those events only in the anime, or the volume release. 236 itself is as perfect as Gojo's death could be.

And as for the deaths. After Chapter 100, here's the major deaths we have seen - Jogo, Dagon, Mahito, Nanami, Yaga, Mai, and then directly Yuki after that. Now Gojo.

Tell me one death here, other than Yuki, which was unjustified. Everyone agrees that Yuki vs. Kenjaku could have been written better. But that's the only bad death I can think of. Every other one adds to both a character's and the main plot's development.

P.S. - Absolutely unrelated. But there's also zero deaths in CSM that I think are for shock value. Every single one of them is important to Denji's character development. No matter how minor.

I think that whole chapter missing thing by Gege is just a joke because he knows how abrupt the transition between those chapters felt. I doubt he’s in a rush to talk about Gojo anytime soon.

And as for the character deaths I won’t say Mai and Yaga’s or Tsumiki’s were bad deaths from a story perspective but I do think there was no impact on the reader when they happened due to how under utilized they felt throughout the series prior.

I don't think we're supposed to feel anything from Mai, Yaga and Tsumiki's deaths anyways. It isn't necessary for every death to have an impact on the reader. What matters is how important they are to the story and its characters.

Mai and Yaga have never been that important in the main plot, but they are important to Maki and Panda respectively. They had no role to play in the main story anyways. But Mai's death plays a huge role in Maki's character development. Yaga's death affected not only Panda, but also Gakuganji.

As for Tsumiki, she is perfectly utilised before her death. What matters about her character is how she affected Megumi. And that is shown multiple times to very good effect. Readers have no reason to care about her death, but it's easy to understand how and why that has a very bad effect on Megumi.

As for the missing chapter thing, idk. I'm still not sure about all that. But it doesn't really matter to me. I've gotten over the fact that the jump between 235 and 236 was way too jarring. What matters to me is that even though the part between them is missing, both of them are still great chapters in their own right. I'd love it if it was fixed sometime down the line, but even if it isn't, it's not like we can do anything. At least Gojo's final moments were wonderfully written.

Oct 2, 2023 1:23 AM

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ofc this had to be asked after Gojo's death and the answer is NO. Your favourite characters dying doesn't make the writing crap, that's the case with AOT and its good.

Oct 2, 2023 1:24 AM

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Bro, its a fucking battle shounen, what'd you expect.

Oct 2, 2023 5:09 AM

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Yes, the author is just killing characters left and right. Nobara's , Nanami's ,Toji's (second death) and Gojo's death was lazily carried out

I mean like Gojo was done dirty , he was killed off-screen like what the hell

Oct 2, 2023 5:15 PM

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puddinz said:
Its so disappointing to see ppl start shit talking the author or the whole story n art just because the overpowered overhyped overrated character died😂
its a SHOUNEN manga the mc is gotta be yuji or yuta . all those kids and jj students are the ones who‘re supposed to defeat the antagonists !
Gege‘s writing is not bad . I used to question his messy arts (I appreciate his hard work but the art is not as good as many other mangas with the same rating, imo.) but i respect him sm especially after he FINALLY eliminated gojo‘s character!
As he said once before he made gojos character too strong and that made it hard for him to write the story he wants. (I dont remember his exact comment but it was smth like that)

Gojo fans are so disappointing and its so disgusting to watch them send gege death threats or shit talk his work n etc!
And idk where these fans were when gege killed nobara, mai, tsukumo, tsumiki and many other potential characters….

Be grateful gege created your favourite character. And be grateful he gave him a great death. He fought well~

I have had a ton of Anti-Gojo fans attack me and others. All I see is negativity everywhere online if you're a Gojo fan.

Oct 2, 2023 7:31 PM

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On chapter 218. Compared to csm, jjk feels way less linear and less focused and more of a chore to get through. Gege keeps mass info dumping all these techniques which doesn't feel relevant given all the action in the manga. Character bloat isn't bad but way too much of gege shock value is in form of gore vs actual good storytelling elements like foreshadowing, themes, etc. I am starting to feel mha is now having better writing than jjk since horikoshi doesn't info dump techniques and try to connect more of his world.

Similiar to a ton of mangakas, they are just not good writers and we are too used to good art nowadays, that cannot save a series. Jjk is lucky to have been picked up by mappa.

A big example is kentaro yabuki who has godly art but his writing is kind crap, especially kn ayakashi triangle where he had to solo the story and the show more or less got cancelled.

Oct 3, 2023 1:18 AM

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puddinz said:
Its so disappointing to see ppl start shit talking the author or the whole story n art just because the overpowered overhyped overrated character died😂
its a SHOUNEN manga the mc is gotta be yuji or yuta . all those kids and jj students are the ones who‘re supposed to defeat the antagonists !
Gege‘s writing is not bad . I used to question his messy arts (I appreciate his hard work but the art is not as good as many other mangas with the same rating, imo.) but i respect him sm especially after he FINALLY eliminated gojo‘s character!
As he said once before he made gojos character too strong and that made it hard for him to write the story he wants. (I dont remember his exact comment but it was smth like that)

Gojo fans are so disappointing and its so disgusting to watch them send gege death threats or shit talk his work n etc!
And idk where these fans were when gege killed nobara, mai, tsukumo, tsumiki and many other potential characters….

Be grateful gege created your favourite character. And be grateful he gave him a great death. He fought well~

I have had a ton of Anti-Gojo fans attack me and others. All I see is negativity everywhere online if you're a Gojo fan.

@BentBlue
Its because of how some of gojo fans act! I have nothing against gojo fans and i always respected them ( i respect everyone actually cuz we all have our favourite characters. I dont judge ppl based on what they watch or who they like.)

But then i go on social media and i see constant hate comments of gojo fans towards the author. Sorry but cant stay quiet when i see them sending death threats to someone who worked so hard to creat that story and those characters.
Im not a sukuna fan(tho he is my #3 fav char) but do you know for how long gojo fandom have been shit talking us?!
Just because we say gojo isnt the mc of this shounen manga and he’s not the one who’s gotta defeat the antagonists!
Sorry if ppl are mean to you but you gotta blame the rest of the fandom youre in~

🌸伊黒さん、お願い…もし生まれ変わってまた人間に戻れたら、…..🌸

Oct 3, 2023 2:33 AM

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this is an action or plot driven story though instead of an character driven story so just enjoy the action and plot more i guess

Oct 3, 2023 9:38 AM

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Ok so i binge reading this, and it was actually very interesting and had a good concept. When I said "had" I mean had because after the Shibuya arc it took a strange turn. Everything was consistent up until that point. After that it went to throwing stuff on the wall and see what sticks. The fight are amazing but Gege just brought in characters only for them to either die or you never see them again. He also brought in interesting characters that should have more background or something for me to invest into the characters. Really Gege is just trying to make this into a Dragonball or Chainsaw man copy instead of being its own thing.

Doing crazy fights in shounen is almost an absolutely a given but way overused. Sadly this fell just like how Bleach fell and its sad because both JJK and Bleach are amazing. I think the story is almost done (unless Gege does something else that'll take it to the far left field) and the ending might be bad or it might be good. But this story lost something on the way and it's to the point where I'm just forcing myself to read because I want to see how it would end. I did the same for Bleach and AoT.

Whether people agree or disagree to what I have said I don't care because everybody has their own opinions.

Oct 3, 2023 3:42 PM

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Ok so i binge reading this, and it was actually very interesting and had a good concept. When I said "had" I mean had because after the Shibuya arc it took a strange turn. Everything was consistent up until that point. After that it went to throwing stuff on the wall and see what sticks. The fight are amazing but Gege just brought in characters only for them to either die or you never see them again. He also brought in interesting characters that should have more background or something for me to invest into the characters. Really Gege is just trying to make this into a Dragonball or Chainsaw man copy instead of being its own thing.

Doing crazy fights in shounen is almost an absolutely a given but way overused. Sadly this fell just like how Bleach fell and its sad because both JJK and Bleach are amazing. I think the story is almost done (unless Gege does something else that'll take it to the far left field) and the ending might be bad or it might be good. But this story lost something on the way and it's to the point where I'm just forcing myself to read because I want to see how it would end. I did the same for Bleach and AoT.

Whether people agree or disagree to what I have said I don't care because everybody has their own opinions.

@UnknownTwinkie After shibuya, he kind of just introduced new characters only for them to get killed off quicly. Which is a problem in shonen anime, and yeah bleach is a pretty big offender where they have almost a disposable new cast to be killed off very early. Shibuya largely took out a big chunk of the original cast. So culling feels like a filler arc often made just for anime.
There are good articles on the downfall of jujutsu kaisen.
https://screenrant.com/jujutsu-kaisen-culling-game-arc-filler/

Oct 3, 2023 5:25 PM

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No, by battle shounen standards JJK is actually pretty well-written. Highkey I feel like this switch up is just because of people being salty about Gojo's death 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ which, as awkwardly as it was written, was actually a good sendoff for his character.

People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime.

Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait.

Take me back to the days before MAL became infested with Twitter's favorite buzzwords.

Oct 3, 2023 6:54 PM

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Its so disappointing to see ppl start shit talking the author or the whole story n art just because the overpowered overhyped overrated character died😂
its a SHOUNEN manga the mc is gotta be yuji or yuta . all those kids and jj students are the ones who‘re supposed to defeat the antagonists !
Gege‘s writing is not bad . I used to question his messy arts (I appreciate his hard work but the art is not as good as many other mangas with the same rating, imo.) but i respect him sm especially after he FINALLY eliminated gojo‘s character!
As he said once before he made gojos character too strong and that made it hard for him to write the story he wants. (I dont remember his exact comment but it was smth like that)

Gojo fans are so disappointing and its so disgusting to watch them send gege death threats or shit talk his work n etc!
And idk where these fans were when gege killed nobara, mai, tsukumo, tsumiki and many other potential characters….

Be grateful gege created your favourite character. And be grateful he gave him a great death. He fought well~

puddinz said:
Its so disappointing to see ppl start shit talking the author or the whole story n art just because the overpowered overhyped overrated character died😂

puddinz said:
Gojo fans are so disappointing and its so disgusting to watch them send gege death threats or shit talk his work n etc!

As disappointing as it is to see this behavior, I can't say it's surprising. I saw a tweet the other day that said these last couple chapters really separated the "Gojo fans" from the "JJK fans." The people responsible for your understandable disappointment really exposed themselves after Gojo died.

People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime.

Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait.

Take me back to the days before MAL became infested with Twitter's favorite buzzwords.

Oct 3, 2023 8:19 PM

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is killing characters off good writing? there were many deaths that just seemed so random and convenient. also there were strangely convenient moments like people showing out of nowhere (toji entering domain), random memories appearing (choso, yuji plot armor), and events from the recent chapters (gojo).

I felt the quality started going downhill around chapter 100 or so? And from there it just seemed like the author didn't want to spend any effort to conclude character arcs/development and just get rid of characters to "shock" the audience and hopefully boost ratings and popularity. As if inspired by series like GOT, CSM. Thoughts?

The manga’s writing quality definitely took a huge nose dive. While I disagree with your statement on certain character deaths being “random” and “convenient” I do believe there is plenty of plot armor and poor execution in explaining characters powers. The conclusion to the Culling Games Arc and the current arc feel extremely rushed. It comes off as Gege no longer having a passion for the manga and wanting to get it over with. For example, the earlier post explaining the current “missing chapter” situation. If it is true that Gege skipped a chapter and has to make up for it then that’s poor and rushed writing. There’s also a majority of readers that didn’t understand the Culling Games Arc. It’s not that the writing was “too complex” or “people aren’t smart enough to understand”, it was just poorly written.

@CrimsonPunk01 He didn't skip a chapter. So many people don't understand how writing a manga works and that's not their fault but making posts claiming Gege forgot to write a chapter after 235 isn't how the process works. What Gege was referring to was storyboarding after 236 since 236 was already sent in by the time his break was finished. No mangaka just forgets a chapter and sends in the one after their forgotten one, that isn't how publishing works. Shuiesha would know if that happen and just tell him to take another week break.

Oct 5, 2023 9:31 AM

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CrimsonPunk01 said:

MongoDB said:
is killing characters off good writing? there were many deaths that just seemed so random and convenient. also there were strangely convenient moments like people showing out of nowhere (toji entering domain), random memories appearing (choso, yuji plot armor), and events from the recent chapters (gojo).

I felt the quality started going downhill around chapter 100 or so? And from there it just seemed like the author didn't want to spend any effort to conclude character arcs/development and just get rid of characters to "shock" the audience and hopefully boost ratings and popularity. As if inspired by series like GOT, CSM. Thoughts?

The manga’s writing quality definitely took a huge nose dive. While I disagree with your statement on certain character deaths being “random” and “convenient” I do believe there is plenty of plot armor and poor execution in explaining characters powers. The conclusion to the Culling Games Arc and the current arc feel extremely rushed. It comes off as Gege no longer having a passion for the manga and wanting to get it over with. For example, the earlier post explaining the current “missing chapter” situation. If it is true that Gege skipped a chapter and has to make up for it then that’s poor and rushed writing. There’s also a majority of readers that didn’t understand the Culling Games Arc. It’s not that the writing was “too complex” or “people aren’t smart enough to understand”, it was just poorly written.

Culling game was not that hard to understand lmao what? It made perfect sense if you've read it. Im not saying its a perfectly written masterpiece or anything, but just because you, yourself, find it hard to understand, dont make it "bad writing."

Oct 5, 2023 9:35 AM

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RandomPerson9348 said:
- Toji just appearing - What exactly did you want? 5 chapters explaining how he got there? We already knew he was free in Shibuya. He was always going to appear in a fight.

- Random memories - Not random at all. Yuji being Kenjaku's son is a MAJOR plot point. Choso is also Kenjaku's son, so why wouldn't there be a scene like that? It was the perfect time for that plot twist.

- Latest chapters - Literally nothing wrong with them. There's just clearly, as said by Gege himself, a chapter between 235 and 236 missing. We need to get over it and accept that we'll probably get those events only in the anime, or the volume release. 236 itself is as perfect as Gojo's death could be.

And as for the deaths. After Chapter 100, here's the major deaths we have seen - Jogo, Dagon, Mahito, Nanami, Yaga, Mai, and then directly Yuki after that. Now Gojo.

Tell me one death here, other than Yuki, which was unjustified. Everyone agrees that Yuki vs. Kenjaku could have been written better. But that's the only bad death I can think of. Every other one adds to both a character's and the main plot's development.

P.S. - Absolutely unrelated. But there's also zero deaths in CSM that I think are for shock value. Every single one of them is important to Denji's character development. No matter how minor.

Thank you for writing literally everything I personally wanted to say when I read this post lmao

Oct 5, 2023 1:18 PM

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hyuni19 said:

CrimsonPunk01 said:

The manga’s writing quality definitely took a huge nose dive. While I disagree with your statement on certain character deaths being “random” and “convenient” I do believe there is plenty of plot armor and poor execution in explaining characters powers. The conclusion to the Culling Games Arc and the current arc feel extremely rushed. It comes off as Gege no longer having a passion for the manga and wanting to get it over with. For example, the earlier post explaining the current “missing chapter” situation. If it is true that Gege skipped a chapter and has to make up for it then that’s poor and rushed writing. There’s also a majority of readers that didn’t understand the Culling Games Arc. It’s not that the writing was “too complex” or “people aren’t smart enough to understand”, it was just poorly written.

Culling game was not that hard to understand lmao what? It made perfect sense if you've read it. Im not saying its a perfectly written masterpiece or anything, but just because you, yourself, find it hard to understand, dont make it "bad writing."

Numerous people were confused. Not just myself. My work setting involves distributing manga materials and I like to ask patrons and workers alike for feedback on series they checkout. Whenever JJK is brought up they pretty much share the same opinion that I previously stated. Not to mention tons of forums or posts like this one bringing this topic up. Of course whether the writing is good or bad is still a person’s individual opinion, however from my experiences in discussing this topic with others the general consensus usually leans toward the writing is bad or at least not as polished as prior chapters. That being said most of us also agreed that we’re in it for the long haul for better or worse LOL

Oct 5, 2023 8:52 PM

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Gege's trying so hard to be like Fujimoto, only to make him looks like an amateur Manga writing a story, his only good take is his choreography and flashy action, other than that, he lacks everything.

Oct 5, 2023 10:59 PM

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Well I used to think this was written "well" for a shonen, but the Culling Games were a nosedive in terms of plot and planning. Hakari vs Kashimo and Yuta vs Sendai were incredible, but after that Maki's fight was terrible, the whole plot with Kenjaku and the UN went nowhere and it was suddenly forgotten because of how badly it was going, and Kenjaku's plot armor against Yuki was astonishingly bad.

Gojo vs Sukuna isn't an issue, even if the kill was not shown in a way that made the fans happy. It also made me mad because I was so fed up with the whole Gojover vs Fraudkuna war over the internet.

Oct 6, 2023 3:43 PM

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RandomPerson9348 said:
- Toji just appearing - What exactly did you want? 5 chapters explaining how he got there? We already knew he was free in Shibuya. He was always going to appear in a fight.

- Random memories - Not random at all. Yuji being Kenjaku's son is a MAJOR plot point. Choso is also Kenjaku's son, so why wouldn't there be a scene like that? It was the perfect time for that plot twist.

- Latest chapters - Literally nothing wrong with them. There's just clearly, as said by Gege himself, a chapter between 235 and 236 missing. We need to get over it and accept that we'll probably get those events only in the anime, or the volume release. 236 itself is as perfect as Gojo's death could be.

And as for the deaths. After Chapter 100, here's the major deaths we have seen - Jogo, Dagon, Mahito, Nanami, Yaga, Mai, and then directly Yuki after that. Now Gojo.

Tell me one death here, other than Yuki, which was unjustified. Everyone agrees that Yuki vs. Kenjaku could have been written better. But that's the only bad death I can think of. Every other one adds to both a character's and the main plot's development.

P.S. - Absolutely unrelated. But there's also zero deaths in CSM that I think are for shock value. Every single one of them is important to Denji's character development. No matter how minor.

“Perfect” yes Let’s make Gojo talk about Sakuna but not care about his students is “perfect”. You guys cap so hard when writing is objectively bad huh

Oct 6, 2023 3:43 PM

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Kvothe_1 said:

RandomPerson9348 said:
- Toji just appearing - What exactly did you want? 5 chapters explaining how he got there? We already knew he was free in Shibuya. He was always going to appear in a fight.

- Random memories - Not random at all. Yuji being Kenjaku's son is a MAJOR plot point. Choso is also Kenjaku's son, so why wouldn't there be a scene like that? It was the perfect time for that plot twist.

- Latest chapters - Literally nothing wrong with them. There's just clearly, as said by Gege himself, a chapter between 235 and 236 missing. We need to get over it and accept that we'll probably get those events only in the anime, or the volume release. 236 itself is as perfect as Gojo's death could be.

And as for the deaths. After Chapter 100, here's the major deaths we have seen - Jogo, Dagon, Mahito, Nanami, Yaga, Mai, and then directly Yuki after that. Now Gojo.

Tell me one death here, other than Yuki, which was unjustified. Everyone agrees that Yuki vs. Kenjaku could have been written better. But that's the only bad death I can think of. Every other one adds to both a character's and the main plot's development.

P.S. - Absolutely unrelated. But there's also zero deaths in CSM that I think are for shock value. Every single one of them is important to Denji's character development. No matter how minor.

thanks for saving me the time to write all this...👍👍

Stop defending caps man. This is just bad

Oct 6, 2023 3:44 PM

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RandomPerson9348 said:

CrimsonPunk01 said:

The manga’s writing quality definitely took a huge nose dive. While I disagree with your statement on certain character deaths being “random” and “convenient” I do believe there is plenty of plot armor and poor execution in explaining characters powers. The conclusion to the Culling Games Arc and the current arc feel extremely rushed. It comes off as Gege no longer having a passion for the manga and wanting to get it over with. For example, the earlier post explaining the current “missing chapter” situation. If it is true that Gege skipped a chapter and has to make up for it then that’s poor and rushed writing. There’s also a majority of readers that didn’t understand the Culling Games Arc. It’s not that the writing was “too complex” or “people aren’t smart enough to understand”, it was just poorly written.

I feel like the missed chapter situation is annoying for sure. But it isn't the fault of the writing. It has nothing to do with it.

He just made a mistake. It's as simple as that. I agree that it's careless, but nobody's perfect. Especially that one-eyed cat.

Actually it is because Gojo’s character was assassinated. Wasn’t he the character worrying about his students? Now he isn’t?

Oct 6, 2023 3:47 PM

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hyuni19 said:

RandomPerson9348 said:
- Toji just appearing - What exactly did you want? 5 chapters explaining how he got there? We already knew he was free in Shibuya. He was always going to appear in a fight.

- Random memories - Not random at all. Yuji being Kenjaku's son is a MAJOR plot point. Choso is also Kenjaku's son, so why wouldn't there be a scene like that? It was the perfect time for that plot twist.

- Latest chapters - Literally nothing wrong with them. There's just clearly, as said by Gege himself, a chapter between 235 and 236 missing. We need to get over it and accept that we'll probably get those events only in the anime, or the volume release. 236 itself is as perfect as Gojo's death could be.

And as for the deaths. After Chapter 100, here's the major deaths we have seen - Jogo, Dagon, Mahito, Nanami, Yaga, Mai, and then directly Yuki after that. Now Gojo.

Tell me one death here, other than Yuki, which was unjustified. Everyone agrees that Yuki vs. Kenjaku could have been written better. But that's the only bad death I can think of. Every other one adds to both a character's and the main plot's development.

P.S. - Absolutely unrelated. But there's also zero deaths in CSM that I think are for shock value. Every single one of them is important to Denji's character development. No matter how minor.

Thank you for writing literally everything I personally wanted to say when I read this post lmao

Thank you for defending bad writing

Oct 6, 2023 7:11 PM

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Confused_100 said:

RandomPerson9348 said:
- Toji just appearing - What exactly did you want? 5 chapters explaining how he got there? We already knew he was free in Shibuya. He was always going to appear in a fight.

- Random memories - Not random at all. Yuji being Kenjaku's son is a MAJOR plot point. Choso is also Kenjaku's son, so why wouldn't there be a scene like that? It was the perfect time for that plot twist.

- Latest chapters - Literally nothing wrong with them. There's just clearly, as said by Gege himself, a chapter between 235 and 236 missing. We need to get over it and accept that we'll probably get those events only in the anime, or the volume release. 236 itself is as perfect as Gojo's death could be.

And as for the deaths. After Chapter 100, here's the major deaths we have seen - Jogo, Dagon, Mahito, Nanami, Yaga, Mai, and then directly Yuki after that. Now Gojo.

Tell me one death here, other than Yuki, which was unjustified. Everyone agrees that Yuki vs. Kenjaku could have been written better. But that's the only bad death I can think of. Every other one adds to both a character's and the main plot's development.

P.S. - Absolutely unrelated. But there's also zero deaths in CSM that I think are for shock value. Every single one of them is important to Denji's character development. No matter how minor.

“Perfect” yes Let’s make Gojo talk about Sakuna but not care about his students is “perfect”. You guys cap so hard when writing is objectively bad huh

Where was this same complaining when Nanami gave up and left Yuji to fight Mahito? It's literally the same thing. And if you say that the villain is stronger this time, well, Yuji is too. And on top of that they have even stronger allies like Hakari, Higuruma, Maki, Yuta, Kusakabe, etc.

Gojo cares about his students. But he never stops them from going into dangerous situations. He pushes them towards it. They aren't little children that need protecting. They just needed to be taught to be strong. And he's done that properly.

Gojo's entire character has always been about him wrestling with the weight and responsibility of being the strongest sorcerer alive. His relations with his students is a very small part of it. The fight with Sukuna obviously focused on the main aspect of his character instead of something that is basically a side-trait.

Of course his final dialogue was with Geto, about Sukuna. They are easily two of the most important people for his character. Him finally being released from that weight and responsibility, and being willing to have faith in his students to take down Sukuna is all he talks about in 236.

The only argument that I've seen against this is that the other sorcerers aren't strong enough to fight Sukuna. But, how do you know? There's a month of training that we haven't seen. They're definitely more than enough.

P.S. - Please re-read 214 and 215 if you genuinely think the students are weak. It's been a month since then. They can easily take Sukuna.

RandomPerson9348Oct 6, 2023 7:16 PM

Oct 6, 2023 9:43 PM

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Confused_100 said:

RandomPerson9348 said:
- Toji just appearing - What exactly did you want? 5 chapters explaining how he got there? We already knew he was free in Shibuya. He was always going to appear in a fight.

- Random memories - Not random at all. Yuji being Kenjaku's son is a MAJOR plot point. Choso is also Kenjaku's son, so why wouldn't there be a scene like that? It was the perfect time for that plot twist.

- Latest chapters - Literally nothing wrong with them. There's just clearly, as said by Gege himself, a chapter between 235 and 236 missing. We need to get over it and accept that we'll probably get those events only in the anime, or the volume release. 236 itself is as perfect as Gojo's death could be.

And as for the deaths. After Chapter 100, here's the major deaths we have seen - Jogo, Dagon, Mahito, Nanami, Yaga, Mai, and then directly Yuki after that. Now Gojo.

Tell me one death here, other than Yuki, which was unjustified. Everyone agrees that Yuki vs. Kenjaku could have been written better. But that's the only bad death I can think of. Every other one adds to both a character's and the main plot's development.

P.S. - Absolutely unrelated. But there's also zero deaths in CSM that I think are for shock value. Every single one of them is important to Denji's character development. No matter how minor.

“Perfect” yes Let’s make Gojo talk about Sakuna but not care about his students is “perfect”. You guys cap so hard when writing is objectively bad huh

Where was this same complaining when Nanami gave up and left Yuji to fight Mahito? It's literally the same thing. And if you say that the villain is stronger this time, well, Yuji is too. And on top of that they have even stronger allies like Hakari, Higuruma, Maki, Yuta, Kusakabe, etc.

Gojo cares about his students. But he never stops them from going into dangerous situations. He pushes them towards it. They aren't little children that need protecting. They just needed to be taught to be strong. And he's done that properly.

Gojo's entire character has always been about him wrestling with the weight and responsibility of being the strongest sorcerer alive. His relations with his students is a very small part of it. The fight with Sukuna obviously focused on the main aspect of his character instead of something that is basically a side-trait.

Of course his final dialogue was with Geto, about Sukuna. They are easily two of the most important people for his character. Him finally being released from that weight and responsibility, and being willing to have faith in his students to take down Sukuna is all he talks about in 236.

The only argument that I've seen against this is that the other sorcerers aren't strong enough to fight Sukuna. But, how do you know? There's a month of training that we haven't seen. They're definitely more than enough.

P.S. - Please re-read 214 and 215 if you genuinely think the students are weak. It's been a month since then. They can easily take Sukuna.

@RandomPerson9348 wow, a month training would make then instantly stronger than the generic "I'm more OP than you" villain like Sukuna, what a pathetic takes to this lame writing of Gege.

Oct 7, 2023 12:34 AM

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RandomPerson9348 said:

Confused_100 said:

“Perfect” yes Let’s make Gojo talk about Sakuna but not care about his students is “perfect”. You guys cap so hard when writing is objectively bad huh

Where was this same complaining when Nanami gave up and left Yuji to fight Mahito? It's literally the same thing. And if you say that the villain is stronger this time, well, Yuji is too. And on top of that they have even stronger allies like Hakari, Higuruma, Maki, Yuta, Kusakabe, etc.

Gojo cares about his students. But he never stops them from going into dangerous situations. He pushes them towards it. They aren't little children that need protecting. They just needed to be taught to be strong. And he's done that properly.

Gojo's entire character has always been about him wrestling with the weight and responsibility of being the strongest sorcerer alive. His relations with his students is a very small part of it. The fight with Sukuna obviously focused on the main aspect of his character instead of something that is basically a side-trait.

Of course his final dialogue was with Geto, about Sukuna. They are easily two of the most important people for his character. Him finally being released from that weight and responsibility, and being willing to have faith in his students to take down Sukuna is all he talks about in 236.

The only argument that I've seen against this is that the other sorcerers aren't strong enough to fight Sukuna. But, how do you know? There's a month of training that we haven't seen. They're definitely more than enough.

P.S. - Please re-read 214 and 215 if you genuinely think the students are weak. It's been a month since then. They can easily take Sukuna.

So that OP slice of spaces and worlds can be beaten now. Aha. Never have I seen so much coping in one article before. Gojo dying thought only about Sukuna. Nothing about his students, nothing about delivering his challenge against Geto that there will be students as strong if not stronger than him. And all he talks about is Sukuna. And you say “Well we didn’t see what happened in that one month”. So no that chapter especially showed that Gojo is crazy about fights. His real responsibility was him trying to make his students as strong and caring for them always. You ignoring that fact to defend that assassination of a scene is just typical though because you are acting that you responded to the contradictory point and say “Well”.

Dude I know you are a fan of Gege but this is just screaming cope. The writing and pacing have been bad. Kashimo didn’t last 2 chapters, why? Because the abilities he gave sukuna has no drawbacks and are way too OP. So he brings who? Yuji. Why? Because his power is still a mystery and we can only build theories. Sukuna loses, Kenjaku should lose automatically? Why? Sukuna is stronger. There’s no denying that. Btw a month is going to make the students stronger than Gojo? Wow nice writing man. Even Dragon ball has a better explanation of characters getting stronger than others with time chamber. And you here saying “a month is enough for them to get stronger than both Sukuna and Gojo”. Like wow.

Oct 7, 2023 4:34 AM

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Off screen death is not something that is bad or good, its just a narrative tool. What you can say that is bad or good is HOW this off screen death was made. I feel like some of you guys confuse too much plot characteristics with quality. You can not say that an author using off screen death is automatically bad, is just a type of death. Its like saying that an apple is bad because its a fruit, does not make any sense.

I don't think the plot problem is ideological, but pratical. Gege Akutami writting skills to "describe" and "execute" his plot narrative are very questionable. The deliver is a mess, he uses time skips and lack of information too much that sometimes looks like not even he knows what is going on.

Oct 7, 2023 12:04 PM

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RandomPerson9348 said:

Where was this same complaining when Nanami gave up and left Yuji to fight Mahito? It's literally the same thing. And if you say that the villain is stronger this time, well, Yuji is too. And on top of that they have even stronger allies like Hakari, Higuruma, Maki, Yuta, Kusakabe, etc.

Gojo cares about his students. But he never stops them from going into dangerous situations. He pushes them towards it. They aren't little children that need protecting. They just needed to be taught to be strong. And he's done that properly.

Gojo's entire character has always been about him wrestling with the weight and responsibility of being the strongest sorcerer alive. His relations with his students is a very small part of it. The fight with Sukuna obviously focused on the main aspect of his character instead of something that is basically a side-trait.

Of course his final dialogue was with Geto, about Sukuna. They are easily two of the most important people for his character. Him finally being released from that weight and responsibility, and being willing to have faith in his students to take down Sukuna is all he talks about in 236.

The only argument that I've seen against this is that the other sorcerers aren't strong enough to fight Sukuna. But, how do you know? There's a month of training that we haven't seen. They're definitely more than enough.

P.S. - Please re-read 214 and 215 if you genuinely think the students are weak. It's been a month since then. They can easily take Sukuna.

So that OP slice of spaces and worlds can be beaten now. Aha. Never have I seen so much coping in one article before. Gojo dying thought only about Sukuna. Nothing about his students, nothing about delivering his challenge against Geto that there will be students as strong if not stronger than him. And all he talks about is Sukuna. And you say “Well we didn’t see what happened in that one month”. So no that chapter especially showed that Gojo is crazy about fights. His real responsibility was him trying to make his students as strong and caring for them always. You ignoring that fact to defend that assassination of a scene is just typical though because you are acting that you responded to the contradictory point and say “Well”.

Dude I know you are a fan of Gege but this is just screaming cope. The writing and pacing have been bad. Kashimo didn’t last 2 chapters, why? Because the abilities he gave sukuna has no drawbacks and are way too OP. So he brings who? Yuji. Why? Because his power is still a mystery and we can only build theories. Sukuna loses, Kenjaku should lose automatically? Why? Sukuna is stronger. There’s no denying that. Btw a month is going to make the students stronger than Gojo? Wow nice writing man. Even Dragon ball has a better explanation of characters getting stronger than others with time chamber. And you here saying “a month is enough for them to get stronger than both Sukuna and Gojo”. Like wow.

Gojo had always been arrogant about his status as the strongest. But after the entire Riko/Geto incident, he realises his own mistakes. He takes on the responsibilities and the weight that comes with his strength. The reason he wishes to nurture strong allies is because he wants them to be their best, so that they can be closer to him. And the reason he wants that is because he doesn't want anyone to feel left out like Geto.

But even after that, there was one person that wasn't satisfied. Gojo himself. He can never connect to anyone, no matter how hard he tries. The difference between them is way too big. He will always stand on top and look down on everyone else. He has no other choice. No matter how hard he tries, they can never understand him. The only person who would be able to relate to his position would be someone who has the same power. The same position. And that's Sukuna.

They look at their positions very differently, but that doesn't matter to Gojo. Sukuna is the first person he can understand, and be understood by. He is the one who stands on the same level. For Gojo, it's like meeting someone who shares the same interests as you. He can finally go all out and show off all his power and growth. Finally have fun.

I could literally point out every single part of this character development and arc to their chapters, pages and panels. It's because that's how long it has been set up. Can you do the same for your argument about "his character being about making strong students" please?

As for the world slash or whatever. That can't be used anymore. Mahoraga is dead. It's just the regular slash Sukuna has always used now.

Kashimo died in 2 chapters because he doesn't matter. Making him last for longer than that would be bad writing. Because Kashimo has appeared for less than 5 chapters while fighting. You can't just make him too strong, because it wouldn't make any sense in terms of narrative integrity. It's literally the same as complaining about Ryu dying in 216.

And yes, one month is more than enough for Yuji to get really, really strong. He isn't a regular human. He's literally Kenjaku's son who was built for the purpose of being an absolute fighting tank. It's been MONTHS since Yuji became a sorcerer. And he had already surpassed Nanami around 2 months before the current time in the manga. It's not very crazy to think he's on the level of a high-class Special Grade Sorcerer by now.

Yuta, Maki and Hakari have been confirmed to be close to Gojo's ability for a long time now.

Let's not forget that there have been way too many hints about Yuji's powers in 220 and 222, and how much he has progressed in them.

Also, Yuji obviously isn't defeating Sukuna alone. It'll probably be a tag team of Yuji and Megumi.

The only reason you seem to think that 236 is a character assassination of Gojo is because it doesn't match with what you thought he was about. That's on you. The story is ongoing. There's no point making assumptions about character arcs and ideas before it ends, because you'll always be supplied with new information.

Slowly supplying you with character growth and building is not bad writing. That's how writing works. You just think it's bad because you're seeing it unfolding in real time. This would have been no problem to anyone at all if JJK had been a novel that was released from beginning to end all at once.

P.S. - I'm really not a fan of Gege's style of writing. The entire prologue part (1-63) is a 7/10 at best. Some of his jump cuts are way too annoying. The whole "explaining time skip events during fights" trope is really bad. The entire pacing of 200-211 was terrible. The disconnect between 235 and 236 is obvious.

But that isn't going to stop me from defending stuff that he has written very well. 236 being one of those chapters.

Oct 7, 2023 12:16 PM

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@RandomPerson9348 wow, a month training would make then instantly stronger than the generic "I'm more OP than you" villain like Sukuna, what a pathetic takes to this lame writing of Gege.

Yuji walked through 16-finger Sukuna using Cleave and Dismantle on him, and proceeded to absolutely destroy him for quite some time with Maki. The only reason he was saved was because Uraume interrupted.

Yuta can literally copy techniques without limits and has an infinite pit of cursed energy.

Maki, with zero cursed energy, has reached the levels of Toji Zenin.

Hakari can literally keep dying forever and still win after he uses his domain.

Yuji isn't even a human. He's Kenjaku's son who was meant to be a tank and a brilliant fighter.

Yes. A month is more than enough for these four monsters to grow infinitely stronger than this, and they aren't even the only people fighting Sukuna and Kenjaku. There's still Megumi, Inumaki, Kusakabe, Miwa, Higuruma, Gakuganji, Utahime, Mei Mei, etc.

I feel like people are such huge Gojo fans that they discount just how strong the other sorcerers are. None of them could take Sukuna on in a 1v1, but together they're more than enough to take him down.

Oct 7, 2023 12:21 PM

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RandomPerson9348 said:

Where was this same complaining when Nanami gave up and left Yuji to fight Mahito? It's literally the same thing. And if you say that the villain is stronger this time, well, Yuji is too. And on top of that they have even stronger allies like Hakari, Higuruma, Maki, Yuta, Kusakabe, etc.

Gojo cares about his students. But he never stops them from going into dangerous situations. He pushes them towards it. They aren't little children that need protecting. They just needed to be taught to be strong. And he's done that properly.

Gojo's entire character has always been about him wrestling with the weight and responsibility of being the strongest sorcerer alive. His relations with his students is a very small part of it. The fight with Sukuna obviously focused on the main aspect of his character instead of something that is basically a side-trait.

Of course his final dialogue was with Geto, about Sukuna. They are easily two of the most important people for his character. Him finally being released from that weight and responsibility, and being willing to have faith in his students to take down Sukuna is all he talks about in 236.

The only argument that I've seen against this is that the other sorcerers aren't strong enough to fight Sukuna. But, how do you know? There's a month of training that we haven't seen. They're definitely more than enough.

P.S. - Please re-read 214 and 215 if you genuinely think the students are weak. It's been a month since then. They can easily take Sukuna.

So that OP slice of spaces and worlds can be beaten now. Aha. Never have I seen so much coping in one article before. Gojo dying thought only about Sukuna. Nothing about his students, nothing about delivering his challenge against Geto that there will be students as strong if not stronger than him. And all he talks about is Sukuna. And you say “Well we didn’t see what happened in that one month”. So no that chapter especially showed that Gojo is crazy about fights. His real responsibility was him trying to make his students as strong and caring for them always. You ignoring that fact to defend that assassination of a scene is just typical though because you are acting that you responded to the contradictory point and say “Well”.

Dude I know you are a fan of Gege but this is just screaming cope. The writing and pacing have been bad. Kashimo didn’t last 2 chapters, why? Because the abilities he gave sukuna has no drawbacks and are way too OP. So he brings who? Yuji. Why? Because his power is still a mystery and we can only build theories. Sukuna loses, Kenjaku should lose automatically? Why? Sukuna is stronger. There’s no denying that. Btw a month is going to make the students stronger than Gojo? Wow nice writing man. Even Dragon ball has a better explanation of characters getting stronger than others with time chamber. And you here saying “a month is enough for them to get stronger than both Sukuna and Gojo”. Like wow.

Look, I am not interested in a debate, and I would be more than willing to keep talking to you if we just maintained some calm.

Let's just present our sides properly. I do not understand at all where you're coming from because I see no actual explanations in your replies, but just you saying that I'm wrong.

Please just think with a calm mind and present your points with proper explanations. What's the meaning of this if we aren't able to get our points across? Because till now it has just seemed like you constantly attacking and belittling me for being wrong without any reason.

Oct 8, 2023 2:03 AM

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RandomPerson9348 said:

Confused_100 said:

RandomPerson9348 said:

Confused_100 said:

RandomPerson9348 said:
- Toji just appearing - What exactly did you want? 5 chapters explaining how he got there? We already knew he was free in Shibuya. He was always going to appear in a fight.

- Random memories - Not random at all. Yuji being Kenjaku's son is a MAJOR plot point. Choso is also Kenjaku's son, so why wouldn't there be a scene like that? It was the perfect time for that plot twist.

- Latest chapters - Literally nothing wrong with them. There's just clearly, as said by Gege himself, a chapter between 235 and 236 missing. We need to get over it and accept that we'll probably get those events only in the anime, or the volume release. 236 itself is as perfect as Gojo's death could be.

And as for the deaths. After Chapter 100, here's the major deaths we have seen - Jogo, Dagon, Mahito, Nanami, Yaga, Mai, and then directly Yuki after that. Now Gojo.

Tell me one death here, other than Yuki, which was unjustified. Everyone agrees that Yuki vs. Kenjaku could have been written better. But that's the only bad death I can think of. Every other one adds to both a character's and the main plot's development.

P.S. - Absolutely unrelated. But there's also zero deaths in CSM that I think are for shock value. Every single one of them is important to Denji's character development. No matter how minor.

“Perfect” yes Let’s make Gojo talk about Sakuna but not care about his students is “perfect”. You guys cap so hard when writing is objectively bad huh

Where was this same complaining when Nanami gave up and left Yuji to fight Mahito? It's literally the same thing. And if you say that the villain is stronger this time, well, Yuji is too. And on top of that they have even stronger allies like Hakari, Higuruma, Maki, Yuta, Kusakabe, etc.

Gojo cares about his students. But he never stops them from going into dangerous situations. He pushes them towards it. They aren't little children that need protecting. They just needed to be taught to be strong. And he's done that properly.

Gojo's entire character has always been about him wrestling with the weight and responsibility of being the strongest sorcerer alive. His relations with his students is a very small part of it. The fight with Sukuna obviously focused on the main aspect of his character instead of something that is basically a side-trait.

Of course his final dialogue was with Geto, about Sukuna. They are easily two of the most important people for his character. Him finally being released from that weight and responsibility, and being willing to have faith in his students to take down Sukuna is all he talks about in 236.

The only argument that I've seen against this is that the other sorcerers aren't strong enough to fight Sukuna. But, how do you know? There's a month of training that we haven't seen. They're definitely more than enough.

P.S. - Please re-read 214 and 215 if you genuinely think the students are weak. It's been a month since then. They can easily take Sukuna.

So that OP slice of spaces and worlds can be beaten now. Aha. Never have I seen so much coping in one article before. Gojo dying thought only about Sukuna. Nothing about his students, nothing about delivering his challenge against Geto that there will be students as strong if not stronger than him. And all he talks about is Sukuna. And you say “Well we didn’t see what happened in that one month”. So no that chapter especially showed that Gojo is crazy about fights. His real responsibility was him trying to make his students as strong and caring for them always. You ignoring that fact to defend that assassination of a scene is just typical though because you are acting that you responded to the contradictory point and say “Well”.

Dude I know you are a fan of Gege but this is just screaming cope. The writing and pacing have been bad. Kashimo didn’t last 2 chapters, why? Because the abilities he gave sukuna has no drawbacks and are way too OP. So he brings who? Yuji. Why? Because his power is still a mystery and we can only build theories. Sukuna loses, Kenjaku should lose automatically? Why? Sukuna is stronger. There’s no denying that. Btw a month is going to make the students stronger than Gojo? Wow nice writing man. Even Dragon ball has a better explanation of characters getting stronger than others with time chamber. And you here saying “a month is enough for them to get stronger than both Sukuna and Gojo”. Like wow.

Gojo had always been arrogant about his status as the strongest. But after the entire Riko/Geto incident, he realises his own mistakes. He takes on the responsibilities and the weight that comes with his strength. The reason he wishes to nurture strong allies is because he wants them to be their best, so that they can be closer to him. And the reason he wants that is because he doesn't want anyone to feel left out like Geto.

But even after that, there was one person that wasn't satisfied. Gojo himself. He can never connect to anyone, no matter how hard he tries. The difference between them is way too big. He will always stand on top and look down on everyone else. He has no other choice. No matter how hard he tries, they can never understand him. The only person who would be able to relate to his position would be someone who has the same power. The same position. And that's Sukuna.

They look at their positions very differently, but that doesn't matter to Gojo. Sukuna is the first person he can understand, and be understood by. He is the one who stands on the same level. For Gojo, it's like meeting someone who shares the same interests as you. He can finally go all out and show off all his power and growth. Finally have fun.

I could literally point out every single part of this character development and arc to their chapters, pages and panels. It's because that's how long it has been set up. Can you do the same for your argument about "his character being about making strong students" please?

As for the world slash or whatever. That can't be used anymore. Mahoraga is dead. It's just the regular slash Sukuna has always used now.

Kashimo died in 2 chapters because he doesn't matter. Making him last for longer than that would be bad writing. Because Kashimo has appeared for less than 5 chapters while fighting. You can't just make him too strong, because it wouldn't make any sense in terms of narrative integrity. It's literally the same as complaining about Ryu dying in 216.

And yes, one month is more than enough for Yuji to get really, really strong. He isn't a regular human. He's literally Kenjaku's son who was built for the purpose of being an absolute fighting tank. It's been MONTHS since Yuji became a sorcerer. And he had already surpassed Nanami around 2 months before the current time in the manga. It's not very crazy to think he's on the level of a high-class Special Grade Sorcerer by now.

Yuta, Maki and Hakari have been confirmed to be close to Gojo's ability for a long time now.

Let's not forget that there have been way too many hints about Yuji's powers in 220 and 222, and how much he has progressed in them.

Also, Yuji obviously isn't defeating Sukuna alone. It'll probably be a tag team of Yuji and Megumi.

The only reason you seem to think that 236 is a character assassination of Gojo is because it doesn't match with what you thought he was about. That's on you. The story is ongoing. There's no point making assumptions about character arcs and ideas before it ends, because you'll always be supplied with new information.

Slowly supplying you with character growth and building is not bad writing. That's how writing works. You just think it's bad because you're seeing it unfolding in real time. This would have been no problem to anyone at all if JJK had been a novel that was released from beginning to end all at once.

P.S. - I'm really not a fan of Gege's style of writing. The entire prologue part (1-63) is a 7/10 at best. Some of his jump cuts are way too annoying. The whole "explaining time skip events during fights" trope is really bad. The entire pacing of 200-211 was terrible. The disconnect between 235 and 236 is obvious.

But that isn't going to stop me from defending stuff that he has written very well. 236 being one of those chapters.

You literally contradicted yourself in the 2 points you gave. You said Gojo didn’t connect with anyone but still connected to Geto alot to the point of not wanting anyone to be like Geto. He cared that his students would fix the imbalance that happened. He never cared that he was the strongest or that he never met someone as strong or stronger than him. So that’s the point of you defending that gojo part so much and saying you not liking the first volumes of JJK gone out that fast.

It has never been confirmed that Yuta, and the others are as strong as Gojo at all lol. Yuta maybe because it was planned for him to be the MC again since Gege planned to off Yuji at one point. He even said that btw.

The slash was from Sukuna, it was even confirmed he has it still in the latest chapter against Kashimo. So he did learn it from Mahoraga but it is Sukuna’s power now.

Yuji being not human, doesn’t mean he will be stronger than Gojo in a month… If that was the case then Kenjaku would have dealt with Gojo fighting since he’s basically not human or better example; Yuji’s brother, whose name escapes me right now would have dealt with Gojo in Shibuya. But nah this is bad writing as it heavily involves plot armour and MC has to be the most OP character by the end of the series trope.

Idk how you said I didn’t have points or explained myself at all. But well you did contradict yourself in the same message and defended badly written chapters just because.

I can predict what he’s going to even do. Yuji will supposedly have the same abilities as Sukuna and any other curse object he eats. Why? Because it literally makes sense. He is the son of Kenjaku, someone who can take powers of others by just “transferring” basically. So yuji’s ability would make sense to be similar to Kenjaku and also would make sense to be similar to Sukuna, since he has this resemblance to Sukuna. However again this creates a big problem. Yuji will defeat Sukuna, Sukuna will either lose for first time or somehow him and Kenjaku will be one? That’s the part where the writing contradicts itself. Why would Gege do that? To make Yuji, Megumi and possibly Yuta fight together against the last OP villain. So the fight devolved from smart tactics to “who is more stronger”.

When he made Sukuna just heal from everything Gojo threw at him. He ruined the chance to make the other fights believable. He made a Dragon Ball Situation. He also ruined Gojo’s character and what he actually cared about. He ruined the power scaling because he most likely hated Gojo. That OP slash is still there, it just doesn’t make sense why Sukuna not use it regularly since he can one shot everyone and everything. And don’t say “Well yuji can handle it” because that will mean Yuji is impervious and is unkillable.

So defend it and like it but to deny the damage done is just coping.

Oct 8, 2023 3:54 AM

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Confused_100 said:

RandomPerson9348 said:

Confused_100 said:

RandomPerson9348 said:

Confused_100 said:

RandomPerson9348 said:
- Toji just appearing - What exactly did you want? 5 chapters explaining how he got there? We already knew he was free in Shibuya. He was always going to appear in a fight.

- Random memories - Not random at all. Yuji being Kenjaku's son is a MAJOR plot point. Choso is also Kenjaku's son, so why wouldn't there be a scene like that? It was the perfect time for that plot twist.

- Latest chapters - Literally nothing wrong with them. There's just clearly, as said by Gege himself, a chapter between 235 and 236 missing. We need to get over it and accept that we'll probably get those events only in the anime, or the volume release. 236 itself is as perfect as Gojo's death could be.

And as for the deaths. After Chapter 100, here's the major deaths we have seen - Jogo, Dagon, Mahito, Nanami, Yaga, Mai, and then directly Yuki after that. Now Gojo.

Tell me one death here, other than Yuki, which was unjustified. Everyone agrees that Yuki vs. Kenjaku could have been written better. But that's the only bad death I can think of. Every other one adds to both a character's and the main plot's development.

P.S. - Absolutely unrelated. But there's also zero deaths in CSM that I think are for shock value. Every single one of them is important to Denji's character development. No matter how minor.

“Perfect” yes Let’s make Gojo talk about Sakuna but not care about his students is “perfect”. You guys cap so hard when writing is objectively bad huh

Where was this same complaining when Nanami gave up and left Yuji to fight Mahito? It's literally the same thing. And if you say that the villain is stronger this time, well, Yuji is too. And on top of that they have even stronger allies like Hakari, Higuruma, Maki, Yuta, Kusakabe, etc.

Gojo cares about his students. But he never stops them from going into dangerous situations. He pushes them towards it. They aren't little children that need protecting. They just needed to be taught to be strong. And he's done that properly.

Gojo's entire character has always been about him wrestling with the weight and responsibility of being the strongest sorcerer alive. His relations with his students is a very small part of it. The fight with Sukuna obviously focused on the main aspect of his character instead of something that is basically a side-trait.

Of course his final dialogue was with Geto, about Sukuna. They are easily two of the most important people for his character. Him finally being released from that weight and responsibility, and being willing to have faith in his students to take down Sukuna is all he talks about in 236.

The only argument that I've seen against this is that the other sorcerers aren't strong enough to fight Sukuna. But, how do you know? There's a month of training that we haven't seen. They're definitely more than enough.

P.S. - Please re-read 214 and 215 if you genuinely think the students are weak. It's been a month since then. They can easily take Sukuna.

So that OP slice of spaces and worlds can be beaten now. Aha. Never have I seen so much coping in one article before. Gojo dying thought only about Sukuna. Nothing about his students, nothing about delivering his challenge against Geto that there will be students as strong if not stronger than him. And all he talks about is Sukuna. And you say “Well we didn’t see what happened in that one month”. So no that chapter especially showed that Gojo is crazy about fights. His real responsibility was him trying to make his students as strong and caring for them always. You ignoring that fact to defend that assassination of a scene is just typical though because you are acting that you responded to the contradictory point and say “Well”.

Dude I know you are a fan of Gege but this is just screaming cope. The writing and pacing have been bad. Kashimo didn’t last 2 chapters, why? Because the abilities he gave sukuna has no drawbacks and are way too OP. So he brings who? Yuji. Why? Because his power is still a mystery and we can only build theories. Sukuna loses, Kenjaku should lose automatically? Why? Sukuna is stronger. There’s no denying that. Btw a month is going to make the students stronger than Gojo? Wow nice writing man. Even Dragon ball has a better explanation of characters getting stronger than others with time chamber. And you here saying “a month is enough for them to get stronger than both Sukuna and Gojo”. Like wow.

Gojo had always been arrogant about his status as the strongest. But after the entire Riko/Geto incident, he realises his own mistakes. He takes on the responsibilities and the weight that comes with his strength. The reason he wishes to nurture strong allies is because he wants them to be their best, so that they can be closer to him. And the reason he wants that is because he doesn't want anyone to feel left out like Geto.

But even after that, there was one person that wasn't satisfied. Gojo himself. He can never connect to anyone, no matter how hard he tries. The difference between them is way too big. He will always stand on top and look down on everyone else. He has no other choice. No matter how hard he tries, they can never understand him. The only person who would be able to relate to his position would be someone who has the same power. The same position. And that's Sukuna.

They look at their positions very differently, but that doesn't matter to Gojo. Sukuna is the first person he can understand, and be understood by. He is the one who stands on the same level. For Gojo, it's like meeting someone who shares the same interests as you. He can finally go all out and show off all his power and growth. Finally have fun.

I could literally point out every single part of this character development and arc to their chapters, pages and panels. It's because that's how long it has been set up. Can you do the same for your argument about "his character being about making strong students" please?

As for the world slash or whatever. That can't be used anymore. Mahoraga is dead. It's just the regular slash Sukuna has always used now.

Kashimo died in 2 chapters because he doesn't matter. Making him last for longer than that would be bad writing. Because Kashimo has appeared for less than 5 chapters while fighting. You can't just make him too strong, because it wouldn't make any sense in terms of narrative integrity. It's literally the same as complaining about Ryu dying in 216.

And yes, one month is more than enough for Yuji to get really, really strong. He isn't a regular human. He's literally Kenjaku's son who was built for the purpose of being an absolute fighting tank. It's been MONTHS since Yuji became a sorcerer. And he had already surpassed Nanami around 2 months before the current time in the manga. It's not very crazy to think he's on the level of a high-class Special Grade Sorcerer by now.

Yuta, Maki and Hakari have been confirmed to be close to Gojo's ability for a long time now.

Let's not forget that there have been way too many hints about Yuji's powers in 220 and 222, and how much he has progressed in them.

Also, Yuji obviously isn't defeating Sukuna alone. It'll probably be a tag team of Yuji and Megumi.

The only reason you seem to think that 236 is a character assassination of Gojo is because it doesn't match with what you thought he was about. That's on you. The story is ongoing. There's no point making assumptions about character arcs and ideas before it ends, because you'll always be supplied with new information.

Slowly supplying you with character growth and building is not bad writing. That's how writing works. You just think it's bad because you're seeing it unfolding in real time. This would have been no problem to anyone at all if JJK had been a novel that was released from beginning to end all at once.

P.S. - I'm really not a fan of Gege's style of writing. The entire prologue part (1-63) is a 7/10 at best. Some of his jump cuts are way too annoying. The whole "explaining time skip events during fights" trope is really bad. The entire pacing of 200-211 was terrible. The disconnect between 235 and 236 is obvious.

But that isn't going to stop me from defending stuff that he has written very well. 236 being one of those chapters.

You literally contradicted yourself in the 2 points you gave. You said Gojo didn’t connect with anyone but still connected to Geto alot to the point of not wanting anyone to be like Geto. He cared that his students would fix the imbalance that happened. He never cared that he was the strongest or that he never met someone as strong or stronger than him. So that’s the point of you defending that gojo part so much and saying you not liking the first volumes of JJK gone out that fast.

It has never been confirmed that Yuta, and the others are as strong as Gojo at all lol. Yuta maybe because it was planned for him to be the MC again since Gege planned to off Yuji at one point. He even said that btw.

The slash was from Sukuna, it was even confirmed he has it still in the latest chapter against Kashimo. So he did learn it from Mahoraga but it is Sukuna’s power now.

Yuji being not human, doesn’t mean he will be stronger than Gojo in a month… If that was the case then Kenjaku would have dealt with Gojo fighting since he’s basically not human or better example; Yuji’s brother, whose name escapes me right now would have dealt with Gojo in Shibuya. But nah this is bad writing as it heavily involves plot armour and MC has to be the most OP character by the end of the series trope.

Idk how you said I didn’t have points or explained myself at all. But well you did contradict yourself in the same message and defended badly written chapters just because.

I can predict what he’s going to even do. Yuji will supposedly have the same abilities as Sukuna and any other curse object he eats. Why? Because it literally makes sense. He is the son of Kenjaku, someone who can take powers of others by just “transferring” basically. So yuji’s ability would make sense to be similar to Kenjaku and also would make sense to be similar to Sukuna, since he has this resemblance to Sukuna. However again this creates a big problem. Yuji will defeat Sukuna, Sukuna will either lose for first time or somehow him and Kenjaku will be one? That’s the part where the writing contradicts itself. Why would Gege do that? To make Yuji, Megumi and possibly Yuta fight together against the last OP villain. So the fight devolved from smart tactics to “who is more stronger”.

When he made Sukuna just heal from everything Gojo threw at him. He ruined the chance to make the other fights believable. He made a Dragon Ball Situation. He also ruined Gojo’s character and what he actually cared about. He ruined the power scaling because he most likely hated Gojo. That OP slash is still there, it just doesn’t make sense why Sukuna not use it regularly since he can one shot everyone and everything. And don’t say “Well yuji can handle it” because that will mean Yuji is impervious and is unkillable.

So defend it and like it but to deny the damage done is just coping.

- Gojo states in 236 that, "You can make a flower bloom, you can admire it, but you can never tell that flower, 'I want you to understand me.'" It's obvious that he's talking about his students here.

The idea of "solitude at the peak of strength" has been in JJK forever. But Gojo's strength doesn't just bring loneliness to him. It also brings it to others. Gojo can be free from his loneliness by being arrogant like he was before, but he cannot fix others feeling like that because of him, ever. So, he wants to make them strong. Enough to walk with him and not feel like they're weak in front of him. That's the only reason he wants strong students. They need to fix nothing. They have nothing to do with his way of thinking.

Gojo has always cared about being the strongest. If you think anybody, ever, could have a position like that and not care about it, then you're mistaken. It's that he becomes much more aware of it's magnitude after Riko.

- Gojo himself has explicitly stated that Yuta, Hakari and Yuji can be as strong as Gojo. Chapter 11, Page 15.

- As for the slash, my bad. I guess I hadn't read it properly. It was indeed Sukuna using it. But at the end of the day, it's the same thing. It's a simple slash. The only reason it worked against Gojo was because it was made to counter Infinity. For anyone else, it would work like a regular slash. They either dodge it or they die. Regular slashes didn't work on Gojo because of Infinity.

- I was just giving you an idea about Yuji. That he isn't a regular human and has insane potential. I didn't mean that BECAUSE he's not a human, he'll be stronger. I meant that because he's not human, it's very easy for him to get stronger in a month.

- No, Yuji won't get the powers of anything he eats. Choso cannot do that. It has nothing to do with Kenjaku's technique. The reason the Sukuna techniques idea is going around is because Gojo said that all the way back in chapter 13 or something. Also, Sukuna will die before Kenjaku. They won't become one or anything. Sukuna would never allow that. I'm expecting the massive final villain creature to be whatever Tengen is transformed into. And trust me, I'm not a fan of that either.

- Gojo's character wasn't ruined. He's as consistent as he's always been. Gege hating him has nothing to do with it. He doesn't actually hate him. That would make zero sense. The reason he hates him is because he made Gojo way too strong. And that makes a lot of sense. I would too.

I believe I've already explained why Sukuna doesn't have any "OP slash" or whatever at this point. Also, he never directly healed from Gojo's damage. You could say that if he had ended up in the same form as before. But he was clearly forced to switching to his original form due to all the damage. It's just the same logic as a video game boss entering his second phase.

Completely unrelated to your points -

- Yuji's technique clearly has something to do with switching bodies/souls, as seen in 222.

- I never contradicted myself. Connecting on a friendly level and connecting based on relativity are two different things. Gojo isn't incapable of making connections. He is just incapable of connecting to anyone on a very personal level, because neither side would be able to relate to the other.

- Using the word "power scaling" told me everything I needed to know. Power scaling might be the worst thing to happen to the anime community, ever. It's such a wonderful way to ruin narrative impact and artistic integrity. Sometimes cold, hard logic and numbers need to be bended and broken to provide a stronger narrative. And power scaling pathetically denies all that.

- Please also reply to the last major point I made. Why do you refuse to accept any dialogue from 236 as an addition to Gojo's character? Gojo, or the literal story as a whole, wasn't set in stone before that chapter. As I said, the story isn't over. And thus, any new information needs to be accepted as fact and canon. Then after everything is over, wait three months, re-read it, tell me who was assassinated when, and I'll be willing to accept stuff. Until then, respect the author and let him do what he wants. Make judgements on what's good and after it's over.

P.S. - Isn't your very profile picture the perfect example of artistic integrity over power scaling? I've read it a long time ago and don't remember much, but I'm pretty sure that no fight Kaneki wins ever makes any sense according to their individual strengths, but does make sense based on the simple fact that it's narratively good.

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