Yes, it's about the over-enthusiastic young fans again.

RobertBobert said:
The problem is not the excitement itself. It's that people seem can't praise things for quality and entertainment without claiming that this is a revolutionary anime version of Citizen Kane. They seem to imply that without such ambition, the show cannot be good entertainment. Each time it leads to pretty weird ignorant claims like Nobara is supposedly the first strong female character in battle shonen, that Bocchi the Rock is supposedly the first anime with visual humor, or now that Doga Kobo is supposedly a no name studio.

Inara196 said:

Hmm, I do agree. Calling something revolutionary really takes the joy out of an anime itself. I didn't find myself really enjoying chainsaw man with all the hype around it and it didn't meet with my expectations, especially when so many people were talking about how different it is in breaking boundaries and whatnot.

Calling something revolutionary shouldn't stem from how much you enjoy the anime or its factors, but the impact it leaves. The impact it leaves is the change that should be considered revolutionary.
Although nowadays based on how much hype and popularity a show gets and what the show was able to do differently from it's previous mainstream predecessors is what they consider to now be revolutionary

LordLycan said:
Which thread is this? I'm intrigued to go and see it for myself. You mind passing me the name?

Risa92 said:

The real problem is to me that people care about other people's opinions to the point where they try to regulate each other in which way you have to enjoy a piece of medium and try to gatekeep "normies". Even the term itself is absolutely ridiculous.
That's like saying "I read ca 10-20 novels a year, depends..." and someone would jump on me "omg you are a book normie! You are not really a fan of books, because you read too little of them and how dare you to not read every classic I personally like, you like too many modern books and mainly fantasy (specifically mainly queer and feminist fantasy, horror and scifi)."
Btw there ARE arrogant book-loving people like that, who's first instinct is "your opinion on that specific piece of literature doesn't count, because I say so."

Kiyomice said:
I'd much rather see a bunch of threads about people who are excited about anime than read a bunch of threads about people who are annoyed by people being excited about anime. Unfortunately, MAL is full of the latter. 

RobertBobert said:
There are different ways to get excited and this thread is not meant to be a payoff for everyone who is excited about something. By summarizing things in this way, you yourself sound like an annoyed person who you are obviously complaining about. Not to mention the fact that there are several times more threads I mentioned, only if the hype of the show has not already reached such values that it really annoys everyone (I remembered the hater threads about Kimetsu and Kaguya).

Kiyomice said:
You seem to be taking my comment personally. 

RobertBobert said:
Just responding to my comment in the style of "what's wrong with you?" you do not respond to my clarification of my position in essence.

Kiyomice said:

Huh? What are you trying to clarify? I was not confused and needing clarification of your stance. I saw your thread and posted my thoughts just as others have. It's not as deep as you are making it out to be. 

RobertBobert said:
Whether intentionally or not, you oversimplified the idea of this thread, making it seem like I'm just an old dude grumbling over noisy kids. I explained to you exactly what I meant, but you simply ignored it in such a way as if I was trying to emotionally argue with you about something. That's what it was about.

Lucizkun said:
Well, quickly calling them incredible masterpiece would be their expectations of the anime, their minds may change eventually.

AnimePedestrian said:
Killing me here bro, those are easily some of the best looking Anime out their. 

Kiyomice said:

"making it seem like I'm just an old dude grumbling over noisy kids" - You are taking my opinion personally. You do not need to justify your thread to me.

RobertBobert said:
What did you expect when you left a general comment that reduced the whole point of my thread to complaining about noisy children?

Kiyomice said:

For you to not take a general comment personally. 

RobertBobert said:
So you have quite noticeable problems with predicting your actions and reading the mood of the room, sorry.

RobertBobert said:
If, after this line, you still unironically see no reason why people perceive your behavior as passive-aggressive (unless assuming you are intentionally trolling or not generally rude), then you are only confirming my comment above. But anyway, I will no longer respond to your comments, sorry.

-Aurelius- said:
I'm already dead.
Unlimited Blade Works/Heaven's Feel solos any Demon Slayer scene. Imagine only watching Mappa and Ufotable, like dude's missing out on 90% of the best shows out there. This is why I can't stand mainstream new folks who watch one anime and decide they know everything there is to know.

wypvt said:
We have to create some kind of standard, like you have to watch at least 100 different titles, from different genres, in order for your opinion of a "masterpiece" anime is considered valid.

chronofantasy said:
You sound like a grumpy old man when you're upset how younger people can be excited and happy about new anime.

I like to watch a bit from both sides. Old and new. I've watched plenty. There's still some new anime I get a bit excited for. Masterpiece? Probably not. But classical music could also be considered masterpiece or your favourite songs during your childhood can be masterpieces today. That's why it's all subjective at the end of the day.

RobertBobert said:
I love how you imply that I'm annoyed by people getting excited about new anime when I have 90% of the anime on my favorites list are shows made in the mid to late 10s. I generally love it when I criticize the elitist, people assume I'm a teenager who hates old anime, and when I criticize zoomers that I'm a grumpy old man who doesn't like new anime.

chronofantasy said:


I don't know what to tell you. Why the complaining if you're perfectly okay with either at the end of the day? Shouldn't be surprised when people insult you when they're annoyed by your complaining as if it matters so much.

RobertBobert said:
You are once again ignoring that my thread was about ignorant comments and obvious over-rating of content, and not any admiration in general. But even outside of that, it's rude to assume my tastes based on strawman or try to justify insults against me by the fact that I criticize some aspects of human behavior.

chronofantasy said:


At the end of the day it's complaining and ranting about how people rating/enjoy content (especially newer anime fans).

You can paint your reply with fancy new age argumentative words like "strawman" or assume someone is ignoring what you're "really trying to say". But clearly, what I see is someone who craves attention (14k forum posts? That's way too much unless 90% of that is useless argumentative replies like this one)

Do what you have to do to drive up your attention and post count though. Sure, it sucks when people are just being human, as you tried to make so very clear with your observation of "human behavior".

Don't be too insulted by my grumpy old man comment. I'm a grumpy old man too since it looks like I'm only a few years older, so that's why I have little patience and get very annoyed by nonsensical topics like this.

RobertBobert said:
That is, you simply ignore my opinion in order to subsequently replace it with speculation on my motives and once again justify labels or insults against me? Almost literally telling me that people who question the actions of others, in any form and for any reason, deserve hostility. Dude, are you sure you're a good guy in this case? You sound like a Hollywood bully.

chronofantasy said:


Yes, I'm exactly as you say, but rather I'm an internet bully and everyone is out to get you, rather than a simple annoyance at what they view as some big complaint topic.

But I think you're also hostile and out to get the people in question that you called out on over-rating or calling something a masterpiece. So I hope you also don't think you're the good guy in here and you aren't just a hostile "Hollywood bully" as well, because someone who does what you just complained about might take great offense and now I just defended them instead?

RobertBobert said:
Man, if you're going to keep pushing me in the head with such obvious, almost trope-ish gaslighting and trying to turn your animosity into the cheapest possible victim blaming, then just spare me this shit. Thank you. And repeating my answer to the dude above, I'm just not going to reply to your messages anymore.

RobertBobert said:
I would prefer that people think more about what they write and read. This would solve a lot of problems.

nep-nep said:
which problems though?

if we're honest, even things that take a lot of thought and effort to write aren't guaranteed to be any better than the reactionary impulse writing you see. a quick stroll through the top upvoted review section on this website is plainly painful, at least the low-effort seasonal trash is easily dismissible

again, i'd suggest that the best solution to an unfixable phenomena is to moderate social media usage. 

KevinRin said:
its because most of the people (majority of anime watchers) are not a good critic. their criteria is too shallow and they are often unable to see the picture as a whole. theyre always influenced by emotion rather than objectivity.

RobertBobert said:
I'm old enough to remember the popularity of Geass or Death Note. Which also had its issues where people didn't understand the show at all and literally made excuses for Light or Lelouch because they were hot. But I have seen few people who would shout that this is a masterpiece and revolutionary anime. It was enough just to love and hype them.

BilboBaggins365 said:
Art is inherently emotional you can't look at it from an objective point of view when evaluating quality. There are objective elements present within art but "quality" well that is entirely based on your emotional response to the work. Anyone who says they can take emotion out of art is either lying or relying on opinions other than their own personal views. 

BilboBaggins365 said:
Art is inherently emotional you can't look at it from an objective point of view when evaluating quality. There are objective elements present within art but "quality" well that is entirely based on your emotional response to the work. Anyone who says they can take emotion out of art is either lying or relying on opinions other than their own personal views. When it comes to criticism "good critics" are just those that are knowledgeable and can eloquently explain why they like a work more than someone else. They are still relying on their emotional response to a work. They can just explain better why they felt x way. That is about it that doesn't mean their opinion is "objectively" right. 


I mean people have constantly put out there that Code Geass or EVA are so much different than those other mecha anime. DN also was one of those big mainstream anime casual fans watched so they could feel unique that they watched other stuff than Naruto. People always have had plenty of bad hot takes. It might just feel more common because anime is vastly more popular than it ever has been. It's not an issue just ignore the hype beasts if it irittates you. They have always been there. I would argue most fans have at least once been guilty of that. 

KevinRin said:


Art is subjective in the sense that each viewers has different thoughts and emotions about it. However, art has an established set of rules for creating something that's attractive, moving, and stimulating, it must follow that it must contain some objective criteria.
and so you can say that specific art is objectively bad only if it is too bad, and many people will agree. If it's not, then there's no way to tell its 100% objective quality. only it's up to the viewers to distinguish it from other works through their taste and emotional pov. in short you can view art objectively and you can also feel emotion out of art.

RobertBobert said:
I remember people saying that EVA is the best mecha or that any mecha compared to it is supposedly "stupid and childish" because there is no deconstruction and edgyness. But over time, most of the controversy around it in my country has shifted to the ships one way or another.