Attack on Titan
| after he did the rumbling? so thoughts? i voted no |
| I voted yes, because it can still be worse. He can be fat and unemployed. |
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Swagernator said: I voted yes, because it can still be worse. He can be fat and unemployed. wow personal attacks eh you really got a history with me huh |
| @deg @Swagernator In my headcanon you two are married and have babies. Anyway, there is no possible argument you can come up with to excuse the rumbling. Regardless of what Eren's end goal is, it does not justify the means, because even nations that are completely unaware of Paradis existence will be wiped out. |
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Strange they didn't take their time with a game of will-they-won't they. |
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lol the guy is a certified bigot anyway if you check his post history |
Ye, but two tsunderes getting along is the best premise for every romcom. |
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and he has some moderator friends that saves him thats why he is so confident being bigot on the forums |
| [Contains spoilers] Well, he never really was happy, not even as a kid - he wanted freedom at that time too. All those circumstances he was living in weren't his fault and I am maybe thinking this about it in a very political way, but he did those things because there was no other choice. Eldians were thinking about blending into the World outside, but there were a talk when it turned out that they are noticable because of their blood(?) and also the people outside Paradis wanted them to die and they made it pretty obvious. So he really didn't had anything else in his pocket to do to save his people apart what he did. They really tried to figure it out in a "safer" way, - when they found out that won't work was the time when he got drunk with the others and everything, had a good time together one last time. (I can't remember the exact episode now and how excatly it was, but I hope it's still makes sense.) If the "big dogs" would actually tried to talk, accept the people from Paradis, he won't do what he did. His sacrifice took lives who didn't deserved it, but also the hate towards eldians took innocent lives too. People outside Paradis (the "big dogs" though, not every citizen since they didn't had much impact) literally made a whole race living in fear so they can feeling safe... So if I am thinking about it in this way, it wasn't really Eren's fault but the "big dogs" who controlled the World. I don't think Eren was worse, he was a victim of that system too, like the innocent lives he took. So I think he deserved to be happy in his life, but if I would have been his friend and he would survived idk if I would be able to forgive him about what he did, even if I kinda tried to defend him or speak seeing both sides. |
| @_Kitsuchi_ but if you scale or measure the amount of suffering whats your take on this? Eldian Empire = 2000 years of reign Marley = 100 years of reign so far  |
deg said: @_Kitsuchi_ but if you scale or measure the amount of suffering whats your take on this? Eldian Empire = 2000 years of reign Marley = 100 years of reign so far Well, I didn't lived in their circumstances, so I voted "i dont know". If I would be Eren/eldian from Paradis, I would say I can understand Eren's actions and he deserved to be happy. I mean, I would rather know those people safe who I love. (But I think if he would survive, he would feel guilty until he dies though.) But I can see Gabi saying otherwise, since she suffered in a getto as an eldian and she thinks her "problems" are because of the people from Paradis. Also in this way she lost those who she loved. I still believe it's the "big dogs" fault and I can't really say who is right in this situation. It depends in who's shoes you try to imagine it. |
dark_knight107 said: _Kitsuchi_ said: I still believe it's the "big dogs" fault and I can't really say who is right in this situation. It depends in who's shoes you try to imagine it. I honestly blame that king Fritz who started this entire age-old conflict, which still continued for so many years. Omg, true! I forgot about him lol, he was the worst character, yet he was the one who didn't suffered at all, had "fun" and died in peace💀 Life is surely unfair, even in anime. |
_Kitsuchi_ said: I still believe it's the "big dogs" fault and I can't really say who is right in this situation. It depends in who's shoes you try to imagine it. well in modern real life genocide justification is inexcusable no matter what according to international law Genocide justification is the claim that a genocide is morally excusable or necessary, in contrast to genocide denial, which rejects that genocide occurred. Perpetrators often claim that the genocide victims presented a serious threat, meaning that their killing was legitimate self-defense of a nation or state. According to modern international criminal law, there can be no excuse for genocide.[1][2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_justification and this is world level genocide too but ye the time setting is different for Attack on Titan so it depends on how much you believe genocide is justifiable |
deg said: Swagernator said: I voted yes, because it can still be worse. He can be fat and unemployed. wow personal attacks eh you really got a history with me huh Is there some kind of history between you both? What am I missing? |
im here for over a decade already and he was very active in the past too but he is a known bigot on the forums he is just friends with moderators around here (check his profile comments to confirm) thats why he is protected |
32 yes and 26 no, as expected from AOT fan |
deg said: _Kitsuchi_ said: I still believe it's the "big dogs" fault and I can't really say who is right in this situation. It depends in who's shoes you try to imagine it. well in modern real life genocide justification is inexcusable no matter what according to international law Genocide justification is the claim that a genocide is morally excusable or necessary, in contrast to genocide denial, which rejects that genocide occurred. Perpetrators often claim that the genocide victims presented a serious threat, meaning that their killing was legitimate self-defense of a nation or state. According to modern international criminal law, there can be no excuse for genocide.[1][2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_justification and this is world level genocide too but ye the time setting is different for Attack on Titan so it depends on how much you believe genocide is justifiable In real life, that is different story. We were talking about the anime, I didn't meant genocide is okay. If a random human tries to kill half of the population that is not okay at all. Politicians from every side of the globe have to really f.ck things up for something like this to happen. Why would I have to defend myself from half of the World in real life? I can't imagine something like that to happen in real life, only if I somehow became an UFO or idk and the whole World is after me😅 I was talking about the AoT situation while I was thinking about self-defense. I mean, if somebody would try to take your/your loved ones lives you would think about that one person you don't know and tries to kill you? In real life, even if self defense comes into the picture, you don't have to defend yourself from the whole human population, just from that one person who tries to take your life, and that isn't equal to genocide. However, in Eren's situation, if he only tries to kill the "big dogs" which might be possible in his case, other enemies would come, like what happened, so that is not an option to assasinate them one by one. But if you defend yourself from one person, law is on your side, and you don't have to defend yourself from the whole World. If someone really tries to do genocide irl, that isn't because of self defense, but because of serious mental health issues. |
_Kitsuchi_ said: deg said: well in modern real life genocide justification is inexcusable no matter what according to international law Genocide justification is the claim that a genocide is morally excusable or necessary, in contrast to genocide denial, which rejects that genocide occurred. Perpetrators often claim that the genocide victims presented a serious threat, meaning that their killing was legitimate self-defense of a nation or state. According to modern international criminal law, there can be no excuse for genocide.[1][2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_justification and this is world level genocide too but ye the time setting is different for Attack on Titan so it depends on how much you believe genocide is justifiable In real life, that is different story. We were talking about the anime, I didn't meant genocide is okay. If a random human tries to kill half of the population that is not okay at all. Politicians from every side of the globe have to really f.ck things up for something like this to happen. Why would I have to defend myself from half of the World in real life? I can't imagine something like that to happen in real life, only if I somehow became an UFO or idk and the whole World is after me😅 I was talking about the AoT situation while I was thinking about self-defense. I mean, if somebody would try to take your/your loved ones lives you would think about that one person you don't know and tries to kill you? In real life, even if self defense comes into the picture, you don't have to defend yourself from the whole human population, just from that one person who tries to take your life, and that isn't equal to genocide. However, in Eren's situation, if he only tries to kill the "big dogs" which might be possible in his case, other enemies would come, like what happened, so that is not an option to assasinate them one by one. But if you defend yourself from one person, law is on your side, and you don't have to defend yourself from the whole World. If someone really tries to do genocide irl, that isn't because of self defense, but because of serious mental health issues. ye that is the thing there should be a limit to self defense too self defense laws says once the immediate threat is gone then thats the end of the self defense and the immediate threat was all the military bases and soldiers so Gabi was right saying Eren should have rumble the military bases only if you gonna say that years will pass and the hate for Eldians will continue i do not believe so like remember in real life Japan and Germany started world wars but with old generations that has too much hate died and with new generations today becoming more accepting of those 2 countries there is less hate for them this days thats how i think about it so the best solution for me was the 50 year plan since it will only take 20 years for new generation to grow up accepting more the Eldians for example and for much of the old generation of haters to die slowly but surely |
| Yes, because Aot is all about surivial. Would the world deserve to be happy knowing they united to eradicate a whole ethnicity out of the world? I’m pretty sure they’ll be happy regardless so yea. |
 𝘚𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘦𝘴 𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘐 𝘤𝘭𝘰𝘴𝘦 𝘮𝘺 𝘦𝘺𝘦𝘴, 𝘐 𝘤𝘢𝘯’𝘵 𝘴𝘦𝘦. |
on deg said: _Kitsuchi_ said: In real life, that is different story. We were talking about the anime, I didn't meant genocide is okay. If a random human tries to kill half of the population that is not okay at all. Politicians from every side of the globe have to really f.ck things up for something like this to happen. Why would I have to defend myself from half of the World in real life? I can't imagine something like that to happen in real life, only if I somehow became an UFO or idk and the whole World is after me😅 I was talking about the AoT situation while I was thinking about self-defense. I mean, if somebody would try to take your/your loved ones lives you would think about that one person you don't know and tries to kill you? In real life, even if self defense comes into the picture, you don't have to defend yourself from the whole human population, just from that one person who tries to take your life, and that isn't equal to genocide. However, in Eren's situation, if he only tries to kill the "big dogs" which might be possible in his case, other enemies would come, like what happened, so that is not an option to assasinate them one by one. But if you defend yourself from one person, law is on your side, and you don't have to defend yourself from the whole World. If someone really tries to do genocide irl, that isn't because of self defense, but because of serious mental health issues. ye that is the thing there should be a limit to self defense too self defense laws says once the immediate threat is gone then thats the end of the self defense and the immediate threat was all the military bases and soldiers so Gabi was right saying Eren should have rumble the military bases only if you gonna say that years will pass and the hate for Eldians will continue i do not believe so like remember in real life Japan and Germany started world wars but with old generations that has too much hate died and with new generations today becoming more accepting of those 2 countries there is less hate for them this days thats how i think about it so the best solution for me was the 50 year plan since it will only take 20 years for new generation to grow up accepting more the Eldians for example and for much of the old generation of haters to die slowly but surely Well, I can agree with this. Maybe he didn't had enough time for finding out where were all the military bases around the world... But if I am thinking about it. If he only did that, that would just strengthened the civil fears, maybe? How could they accept them outside Paradis if they could turn into titans in any minute or believe them that they don't have titans anymore? Having guns around are more obvious and the World Wars had more winners out of it and more countries which are lost. They were more equal? Maybe that is how I can put it if I am trying to explain how I meant. But it would have been an absolute win for Eren, like he could made them live in fear and supress them anytime with his titan army. Especially if he destroyed all the military bases. |
DoobieSam said: I mean...everyone deserves happiness, no? Unfortunately everyone being happy is impossible, because the happiness of many is predicated on reduced happiness of others. This is probably the wisest thing I've read today on the internet |
_Kitsuchi_ said: deg said: ye that is the thing there should be a limit to self defense too self defense laws says once the immediate threat is gone then thats the end of the self defense and the immediate threat was all the military bases and soldiers so Gabi was right saying Eren should have rumble the military bases only if you gonna say that years will pass and the hate for Eldians will continue i do not believe so like remember in real life Japan and Germany started world wars but with old generations that has too much hate died and with new generations today becoming more accepting of those 2 countries there is less hate for them this days thats how i think about it so the best solution for me was the 50 year plan since it will only take 20 years for new generation to grow up accepting more the Eldians for example and for much of the old generation of haters to die slowly but surely Well, I can agree with this. Maybe he didn't had enough time for finding out where were all the military bases around the world... But if I am thinking about it. If he only did that, that would just strengthened the civil fears, maybe? How could they accept them outside Paradis if they could turn into titans in any minute or believe them that they don't have titans anymore? Having guns around are more obvious and the World Wars had more winners out of it and more countries which are lost. They were more equal? Maybe that is how I can put it if I am trying to explain how I meant. But it would have been an absolute win for Eren, like he could made them live in fear and supress them anytime with his titan army. Especially if he destroyed all the military bases. the world military weapons are gonna surpass the power of the nine titans soon as mentioned in the story (even if the military bases are destroyed the technology on how to make them will remain) so i was thinking titans will slowly but surely not become a big threat anymore too but ye you got good points too although im just bias against world level genocide that happened |
deg said: _Kitsuchi_ said: Well, I can agree with this. Maybe he didn't had enough time for finding out where were all the military bases around the world... But if I am thinking about it. If he only did that, that would just strengthened the civil fears, maybe? How could they accept them outside Paradis if they could turn into titans in any minute or believe them that they don't have titans anymore? Having guns around are more obvious and the World Wars had more winners out of it and more countries which are lost. They were more equal? Maybe that is how I can put it if I am trying to explain how I meant. But it would have been an absolute win for Eren, like he could made them live in fear and supress them anytime with his titan army. Especially if he destroyed all the military bases. the world military weapons are gonna surpass the power of the nine titans soon as mentioned in the story (even if the military bases are destroyed the technology on how to make them will remain) so i was thinking titans will slowly but surely not become a big threat anymore too but ye you got good points too although im just bias against world level genocide that happened Yeah, I accept it and I didn't meant genocide is okay at all, I agree with you being against it. The whole thread was about if he deserved to be happy or not, so I tried to explain why I think that he deserved too, under his circumstances. But if I put the whole situation into reailty, it's not okay. |
DoobieSam said: I mean...everyone deserves happiness, no? Unfortunately everyone being happy is impossible, because the happiness of many is predicated on reduced happiness of others. basically zero sum thinking or bias though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-sum_thinking rights are not a zero-sum game https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/03/21/constitutional-rights-are-not-a-zero-sum-game/ the right to live this time |
| I voted no because that would be a disservice to Eren. I'm not referring to any form of punishment or justice, but to his internal motives as a character. I'm sure part one will adapt my main reasoning for this, so I won't elaborate further. |
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| No murderers deserve to be happy, even if we might like, sympathize and understand them. Eren killed innocents, he does not deserve to be happy. End of discussion. |
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| I mean he's also a victim so🤷 like yeah but no but like yeah But like fr they should resurrect ymir (lesbian ver) give me my lesbian ending stream like? By ice spice on Spotify today  |
Because exposition is important. If we would never knew who Sasha is, nobody would hate on Gabi. People who blindly hate on her are still idiots, because it is clear, that she is a product of lifelong manipulation, propaganda, through conditioning and the system is to blame. Regardless everything, Gabi is still phenomenal character and her developement is beautiful. |
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| do marleyans deserve to be happy? after what they did, as in killing innocent eldians for thousands of years? no character in shingeki no kyojin deserves to be happy, let's be fair, you're just salty because not all people agree with you alliance fans |
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Catalano said: do marleyans deserve to be happy? after what they did, as in killing innocent eldians for thousands of years? no character in shingeki no kyojin deserves to be happy, let's be fair, you're just salty because not all people agree with you alliance fans classic whataboutism argument and get your facts straight eldians rule for 2000 years while marley rules for 100 years minimum currently but youre right no one deserves happiness on both sides but im sure you want eren to be happy as his biggest fan |
deg said: as if marley didn't kill eldians before, eldians precede subjects of ymirCatalano said: do marleyans deserve to be happy? after what they did, as in killing innocent eldians for thousands of years? no character in shingeki no kyojin deserves to be happy, let's be fair, you're just salty because not all people agree with you alliance fans classic whataboutism argument and get your facts straight eldians rule for 2000 years while marley rules for 100 years minimum currently and I answer your question, eren doesn't deserve to live happy still salty I see, you make the same thread one every 2 months in all snk entries, keep telling you there are people who don't agree with the alliance and you won't make us agree with your ideals just because you're using the "killing innocents" card but you always forget that the other side also killed innocents but then again, you always use the "2000 year" card as if it means something |
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| As expected AoT fanbase is full of edgelords who have just entered puberty This is not any different from fandom of Code GeASS and Trash Note |
| If you want to reply to my posts, come up with valid arguments instead of ad hominem HIGHER LEVEL THINKERS ONLY |
Catalano said: deg said: as if marley didn't kill eldians before, eldians precede subjects of ymirclassic whataboutism argument and get your facts straight eldians rule for 2000 years while marley rules for 100 years minimum currently and I answer your question, eren doesn't deserve to live happy still salty I see, you make the same thread one every 2 months in all snk entries, keep telling you there are people who don't agree with the alliance and you won't make us agree with your ideals just because you're using the "killing innocents" card but you always forget that the other side also killed innocents but then again, you always use the "2000 year" card as if it means something better than being a blind fanboy that cannot critic the story number of suffering separates greater evil from lesser evil not all evil and crimes are equal or you want death penalty for online piracy for example? |
degJan 21, 2023 5:49 AM
Badguy_oncel said: deg said: except both did the same kind of crime. So now we're keeping ceiling limit as " greater evil"?. You get death penalty for killing 10 or 100better than being a blind fanboy that cannot critic the story number of suffering separates greater evil from lesser evil not all evil and crimes are equal or you want death penalty for online piracy for example? you label world genocide as greater evil though and an international crime |
Badguy_oncel said: well you could say that but what makes greater evil? Is it number of suffering or level of suffering? Who is worse? A guy killing 100 people in quick succession or a sadist painfully killing 10 victims by slowly torturing them? this is world level genocide though no greater evil than that on this planet |
| If you asked me the same question at the very first episode it would still be a no ´༎ຶ ͜ʖ ༎ຶ same for his fans who are every bit just as obnoxo. Get NTR horse'd, angry birb. Mankasa x horse ftw |
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