can anyone tell me if this yuri or just another yuri bait

tragedydesu said:
i don't want to waste my time watching 2 female characters having a lot of cute moments together and at the end 'haha joke on you they are just friends'

is this worth watching for someone who hate yuri bait so much?

Cambriel5202 said:

It's queer and romance coded, but not explicit. It's a longer conversation whether Japanese artists in general, and these specifically, are queer coding to get queer stories past censorship or to bait in hopeful yuri fans. But short answer, no explicit queer relationship between the mains.

tragedydesu said:
i don't want to waste my time watching 2 female characters having a lot of cute moments together and at the end 'haha joke on you they are just friends'

is this worth watching for someone who hate yuri bait so much?

RobertBobert said:
If it's bait, then shows like Hibike are lesbian porn. It's a pretty bland show with pretty pure BFFs images with minimal fanservice. Even if the authors had some intentions, then most likely it will be possible to learn about this not from the show itself, since everything here is very chaste.



Stop using queer coding as an excuse for unapproved queer reading. It's just manipulative. Thanks to people like you, a lot of people think that queer coding is a lame excuse for gay shippers on twitter and not a significant phenomenon in western culture. You also don't understand how yuri works and the depiction of female relationships in Japanese media in general, probably from reading rubbish sources like Anime Feminist, who is convinced that all-female shows don't feature lesbians for fear of censorship.

Cambriel5202 said:

Lol. Unapproved? Who would approve a reading?

Anyway, nice to see you Robert. No homo though, even if I'm feeling some homoeroticism from you.

tragedydesu said:
i don't want to waste my time watching 2 female characters having a lot of cute moments together and at the end 'haha joke on you they are just friends'

is this worth watching for someone who hate yuri bait so much?

Cambriel5202 said:

Lol. Unapproved? Who would approve a reading?

Anyway, nice to see you Robert. No homo though, even if I'm feeling some homoeroticism from you.

Maplelilyy said:
It's been confirmed that they're more than just friends, it's Yuri.
It's more of a situation where they subtly show rather than tell though. (They wear matching bracelets that are referred to as "Marriage bracelets" at the end, and it's been officially stated that they're more than friends.)

greynine said:

But it does? Who told you what the show's goals were?

Maplelilyy said:


For those wanting sources, here's the more than of friends one. https://mobile.twitter.com/_satsunyan/status/1573964319234043904
Here's the Marriage Bracelet one. https://mobile.twitter.com/vip_wiz/status/1573810405813911552

Maplelilyy said:
Sorry for triple posting, but I think it's really clever that it's done subtly. At the end of the day, the main focus of the anime wasn't whether or not they end up together, but they still subtly confirm it through minor visual details at the end. Definitely a perfect example of "Show, don't tell."

SkyhighCFC said:


Also, why would they do a "show don't tell" approach when there's an openly gay couple in the show already? It doesn't make any sense.

Maplelilyy said:

Because said openly gay couple's relationship is relevant to the plot at several points, and it's even the focus of an episode. Takina and Chisato's relationship on the other hand, is one that has developed across the course of 13 episodes and a Light Novel so far. It's all about the little details in their development not just in their relationship, but as individuals as well. It's open enough to interpretation for how you wish to interpret their relationship at the end, but considering the little details, I personally believe that they got together. However, if you believe otherwise, that is your right. So, to the OP of this thread, I'll just say this, don't take anybody's words here into consideration, and judge it all for yourself. At the end of the day, it's about how you interpret it. Nobody here is inherently correct, nor are they wrong, but I believe it's most important that you interpret it how you wish to interpret it.

greynine said:

The writer through multiple twitter posts and having written yuri in the past plus the LNs. But shouldn't need those anyway when there's plenty of yuri in the show.

greynine said:

Well if you don't want to see it then I can't make you see it. Subtext is subtext for a reason.
But you've got a show focused on their relationship (also said in interviews that the plot is secondary to Takina and Chisato) entirely for 2/3rd of it's run and then when the plot elements kick in for the last third they only serve to develop that relationship rather than say something about society ala Psycho Pass. And this show is written by a fan of yuri who has said he specifically wanted to write yuri in this scenario, and this writer cracks jokes like in the 3rd ep with bullies laughing at how Chisato is acting "adolescent" (this literally means gay in a way that is supposed to be discarded by her age) and doubling down on her behavior in spite of that. Stuff like using common romance tropes and symbols like aquariums, snowfall, matching charms, whatever can be used to reinforce it with winks but they're mild additions, and other things like yuri fans being reassured by the writer after (annoyingly) crying at him over twitter about not knowing if the show/LNs will be yuri or not are unnecessary but still happened.

greynine said:

Like I said, if you don't want to see it then you won't see it. The intended demographics will see it, and have made it very known that they saw it if you look anywhere with japanese fans.

greynine said:

I never said anything was blatantly confirmed inside the show. The point of subtext is that the author wants you to figure it out yourself. Most of the demographic got it, as clearly intended, because it wasn't particularly subtle in either the show or the marketing before or during airing.
You can't look at something with unbiased eyes. If you believe you can then you simply have more bias affecting your view than most. Discarding any evidence you don't like as "crumbs" is about as far from unbiased as you could get.

tragedydesu said:
i don't want to waste my time watching 2 female characters having a lot of cute moments together and at the end 'haha joke on you they are just friends'

is this worth watching for someone who hate yuri bait so much?

greynine said:

There's subtext because it's art. Blatantly stating things can be cumbersome, unnecessary, or lock out future development. This particular type happens to also be extremely common in yuri throughout the last century.
Again, you absolutely can't view it with unbiased eyes and being unaware of your own biases just makes you more biased if anything. That doesn't automatically make you wrong or indicate how well thought out your opinion is, but it can explain why you see things a certain way or don't see other things. I've seen dozens of people who completely missed Mika and Shinji being gay despite that being far more blatant; that's part of their bias whether they know it or not, even when they don't have a problem with it when they realize or are told what they missed.