| I had this idea and was wondering what anime fans think about this. And i am not talking about the obvious things, such as but not limited to: attack on titan, youjo senki and naruto. I am talking about what normal people might refer to as "normal anime", from any genre. I am talking about a much deeper problem than what might seem at first glance to promote fascism or fascist values. I feel like anime in general promotes the idea of not accepting or tolerating people different than us, and creates an "us" and "them" mentality in pretty much every show! I feel like it promotes intolerance and taking pride in things you can't control and not accepting people different than you, in almost all shows people have to change before being accepted, and not loved for who they are |
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| no why do you think anime promotes intolerance, and why you think intolerance equates to fascism |
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deg said: well action shows are us vs them or differences in culture and beliefs by default anyway so you need to elaborate on what defines fascism more to you i don't think you understand what "us vs them" actually means |
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_FRB_ said: no why do you think anime promotes intolerance, and why you think intolerance equates to fascism because people always have to change for them to be accepted by the anime society |
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CLADDAN said: Thank you for opening my eyes to the truth mr honkingfly, I don't know what I would've done without your help. thanks, i am nothing without my loyal fans 😌👏 |
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deg said: ??? heroes vs villain or protagonist vs antagonist groups? us versus them (uncountable) A state of opposition between two groups, mostly based on group membership you are beeing extremely shallow my man |
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HonKingFly409 said: _FRB_ said: no why do you think anime promotes intolerance, and why you think intolerance equates to fascism because people always have to change for them to be accepted by the anime society are you talking about anime characters or anime fans? are you trying to make the argument that because people fall into groups as anime fans it is fascist? do you think sports are fascist? |
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do i have to? i think we all know what it means, if you don't know what fascism is, then what are you even discussing? |
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| No but I am starting to think that anime promotes people to post silly discussion threads that make no sense on MAL |
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_FRB_ said: HonKingFly409 said: because people always have to change for them to be accepted by the anime society are you talking about anime characters or anime fans? are you trying to make the argument that because people fall into groups as anime fans it is fascist? do you think sports are fascist? no i am talking about anime being intolerant of difference between people, and act like it's a good thing to not accept different people |
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Katou81 said: No but I am starting to think that anime promotes people to post silly discussion threads that make no sense on MAL how can you read my well wrote and well thought out argument and think it doesn't at least raise a point? |
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| That's a stupid idea. Anime is extremely varied, all sorts of different ideas are promoted by different anime. There simply is no 'core' to anime at all. It doesn't exist. |
logopolis said: That's a stupid idea. Anime is extremely varied, all sorts of different ideas are promoted by different anime. There simply is no 'core' to anime at all. It doesn't exist. but there are noticeable trends, in the end anime is an industry controlled by money and they can pick and choose what they want most things to be like |
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Luka_Uzumaki said: I don't think so. In a lot of the best shows good/bad or us/them is problematized and the motives of all the characters, even the ones we're not supposed to root for are at least understandable. The us/them trope is pretty much universal in all media, but I think anime does a particularly good job at making us consider how the actions of all the characters are coming from what they think is the right place. Of course, not all anime are great at this, but many are. i am more talking about the conclusion they reach, they always reach a point where someone happens to change, they don't accept each other the way they are, they have to change to be accepted, and that is shown as a good thing |
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HonKingFly409 said: Katou81 said: No but I am starting to think that anime promotes people to post silly discussion threads that make no sense on MAL how can you read my well wrote and well thought out argument and think it doesn't at least raise a point? Because your thread makes no sense at all... nobody tries to bring these kinds of discussions about "facism" other than silly americans/ westerners who can think of nothing other than their silly political affiliations that nobody around the world gives a shit about |
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Katou81 said: HonKingFly409 said: how can you read my well wrote and well thought out argument and think it doesn't at least raise a point? Because your thread makes no sense at all... nobody tries to bring these kinds of discussions about "facism" other than silly americans/ westerners who can think of nothing other than their silly political affiliations that nobody around the world gives a shit about yes i am a proud american, and what of it? your borderline racism proves my point |
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| Yeah after watching 0.000001 seconds of Shield Hero, my brain was immediately inundated with fascist and misogynistic thoughts. |
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HonKingFly409 said: _FRB_ said: are you talking about anime characters or anime fans? are you trying to make the argument that because people fall into groups as anime fans it is fascist? do you think sports are fascist? no i am talking about anime being intolerant of difference between people, and act like it's a good thing to not accept different people okay, back to square one... why do you think anime is intolerant? literally just one specific example will do to get the idea of what you mean and more importantly, why do you think intolerance equates to fascism? do you know what fascism is? fascism is not an exchangeable synonym for intolerance |
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MadanielFL said: Yeah after watching 0.000001 seconds of Shield Hero, my brain was immediately inundated with fascist and misogynistic thoughts. i don't think that was shield hero's fault |
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_FRB_ said: HonKingFly409 said: no i am talking about anime being intolerant of difference between people, and act like it's a good thing to not accept different people okay, back to square one... why do you think anime is intolerant? literally just one specific example will do to get the idea of what you mean and more importantly, why do you think intolerance equates to fascism? do you know what fascism is? fascism is not an exchangeable synonym for intolerance fascism stems from intolerance, it's a slippery slope |
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HonKingFly409 said: Katou81 said: Because your thread makes no sense at all... nobody tries to bring these kinds of discussions about "facism" other than silly americans/ westerners who can think of nothing other than their silly political affiliations that nobody around the world gives a shit about yes i am a proud american, and what of it? your borderline racism proves my point And you trying to make everything about your political agenda proves my point.... self-centered westerners think everything that doesn't fit in with their views and political agenda is either "fascist" or "communist" |
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deg said: HonKingFly409 said: do i have to? i think we all know what it means, if you don't know what fascism is, then what are you even discussing? ye what are you even discussing anyway? your first post define fascism as intolerance but that is not the standard definition of fascism so you admit anime promotes intolerance? |
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Katou81 said: HonKingFly409 said: yes i am a proud american, and what of it? your borderline racism proves my point And you trying to make everything about your political agenda proves my point.... self-centered westerners think everything that doesn't fit in with their views and political agenda is either "fascist" or "communist" i think you're just jealous of our great nation |
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DirtBound said: This has to be a joke question. If promoting fascism is not having SJW shit thrown at everything then anime is the 4th Reich. And promoting the idea of "us vs them" is not just a fascist idea, it has existed in ancient, medieval etc times before nationalism even existed. With this logic trade unions at their core want to make everthing in to North Korea i think you just read the title and nothing else, you just want to shit of sjw, because anime brainwashed you to think these things are extreme, and the extreme shit you're saying is Centre |
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as i said before i am talking about the conclusion. why do shonen fans have to make everything about shonene? there are many other genres with no villains, not like shonen is not guilty of this either way |
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HonKingFly409 said: _FRB_ said: okay, back to square one... why do you think anime is intolerant? literally just one specific example will do to get the idea of what you mean and more importantly, why do you think intolerance equates to fascism? do you know what fascism is? fascism is not an exchangeable synonym for intolerance fascism stems from intolerance, it's a slippery slope we're still at square one why do you think anime is intolerant? |
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because, to be accepted in the end everyone has to change |
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deg said: HonKingFly409 said: as i said before i am talking about the conclusion. why do shonen fans have to make everything about shonene? there are many other genres with no villains, not like shonen is not guilty of this either way what intolerance are you saying then? youre being too vague just clearly define your own definition of fascism and intolerance then there is no my definition and yours, there is only the definition |
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like how? be specific once again, are you talking about characters in anime or anime fans? |
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DirtBound said: HonKingFly409 said: i think you just read the title and nothing else, you just want to shit of sjw, because anime brainwashed you to think these things are extreme, and the extreme shit you're saying is Centre Nah my dude. You just provided one buzzword to justify using another, and by the way could you give a example of this "intolerance" you keep talking about? like how in naruto, people need to change their ways to be loved, they don't like you unless you are like them |
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deg said: then state what it is then because fascism is not intolerance like you said youre trolling arent you? i am done talking with you, yu have no argument so you say i am trolling, i have no time for people like you. grow up |
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HonKingFly409 said: Rejecting people because they’re different as if it’s a good thing?_FRB_ said: are you talking about anime characters or anime fans? are you trying to make the argument that because people fall into groups as anime fans it is fascist? do you think sports are fascist? no i am talking about anime being intolerant of difference between people, and act like it's a good thing to not accept different people Isn’t that like the exact opposite moral lesson of Aot, Ergo Proxy, 86, Kill la Kill, FLCL, Komi Cant Communicate, Ancient Magus Bride, Mob Psycho, Noragami, Ore Monogatari, Spirited Away, My Dress Up darling, A Certain Magical Index, Toradora!, Terror in Resonance, Pokemon the First Movie, and pretty much every other Anime I have ever seen in my entire life? Also people like to throw out buzzwords like fascism these days but 99% of the time they don’t even know what it means. |
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