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Mar 7, 2022 3:01 PM
#52
Hate to break it to you, fellas, but...I'm just stopping by with a meme. :3 |
Mar 7, 2022 3:16 PM
#53
Noboru said: HoloisHolo said: Noboru said: HoloisHolo said: Noboru said: HoloisHolo said: Noboru said: HoloisHolo said: Yes, that's what the Red Scare was all aboutNoboru said: HoloisHolo said: I completely agree with you. Also from the British came the extreme anti-German sentiments. Now people start to do pretty much the same thing towards Russians. It's like people have become too stupid to learn from history or they stay willfully ignorantPeople seem to think propaganda originates only from bad places like the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany, but we in America were adopting British propaganda techniques starting in the early 20th century. And propaganda doesn't just effect people's view of the world or their country, it effects relationships. The fact people would end their relationship with someone over supporting Trump is absolutely absurd. And relationships that depend too much on which side you support or even just not support enough are quite fragile. Now the scary part is when enough people follow a specific narrative where it starts to become "okay" to not treat people based on their ethnicity or medical choice Yup; and we've been doing the Anti-Russian stuff forever since it not only gives us an enemy, but our anti-soviet and communist red scare tactics at the time were used as a means to suppress labor movements. Yeah Anti-German sentiments at the time were probably awful, just awful. Here's an example of how much people were overreacting. Kitchener, a city in Canada was originally called Berlin, changed it's name in 1916. Yeah shows you what kind of people the people one knows might be, if they're willing to end a relationship because you don't agree with them. Too much in recent years we've seen a cheering on of censorship, even if it's under a justification of censoring information that's wrong, it isn't right to do that. And it's not even about censoring information that's wrong to begin with, it's about censoring information that's critical and damaging. I didn't know about this particular place, but I've heard of other such name changes This sadly isn't restricted to personal lives, but also to professional lives. As in denying services or venues to people of a specific nationality and/or for voicing an opinion that is contrary to the authorized ideology and/or opinion Yes, everything becomes a threat when it goes against the narrative. It's also funny how quickly people join on the support bandwagon when they hear it from their government and on the media that being for a specific thing is "good" and being against or just not voicing support is "bad". Most of those people don't show their support and actually care, because if they did, they would have done so before their media and/or politicians told them that it would be a good thing. No, those people just play "showing solidarity" in order to improve their standing in society. This is just like playing the fan of a football team and shunning off anyone that appears to be from a rivaling team And then people say they're not being manipulated when they only react when they're being told to do so from the media and politicians of their country/region Sometimes I feel the whole world has gone insane and lost common sense lol. And on your point about how people react to things when they are told to/told to feel things. Instead of doing it before. I completely agree. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a perfect example. What's going on there is terrible, and people should be outraged and feel something. I'm not saying this applies to everyone, but for people who feel nothing when there's atrocities committed in the Middle East by the US and Israel. But now feel something; it's only because they're told to feel outraged. And you're point on ""showing solidarity" in order to improve their standing in society. "" Yup often times people protest for self-righteous reasons of feeling good/morally superior. Or worse, for Social Media reasons Yes, the craziness has even increased in the recent years. Especially as a result of guided thinking where people are getting implanted thoughts Yes but there have been so many atrocities and bad things happening that makes one feel indifferent about those, which is a form of self-protection Exactly. I'd like to know how we ended up being in a mindset dictatorship And it'll probably get worse lol; even with the last few years bringing about even greater craziness in what you can and can't say I guess that's true, it is a bit too much to expect everyone to feel the same I do about it We probably always have been. The term itself comes from the 20th century, but the idea of shaping public opinion, you could probably trace that back to ancient times. If you're controlling information, you can dictate what does and doesn't get out. Although for the longest time now that's impossible to control what doesn't get out. But it's not about convincing everyone, it's convincing enough people to follow your propaganda. The only propaganda I like is Holo Propaganda :D Yes, but it's also in parts because people have seemingly become more sensitive, so that's why we have all the additional rules and the CE board closed Yeah, but quite some expect others to feel the same as them themselves. One of the major conflict potentials in human interactions is precisely when one side doesn't feel as much about the other person or about a specific matter as the other one So I was right years ago when I was mentioning in some thread (forgot about which) that that time would one where we would still have the illusion of freedom. Which would make the illusion become more visible as such Yes, it's all about influencing enough people to follow a specific narrative lol, I was considering watching it, but I feel too unmotivated/tired for it, so that propaganda won't work on me xD That too. Also it's so stupid on how people can't have a spirited debate and discussion and exchange of ideas. Instead it has to be a who's right thing, defending one's point, while ignoring every thing the other person says. They shouldn't have taken down the Current Events thread. I find it fun. I mean if people are just gonna get mad at other viewpoints, then they shouldn't post on there. Yeah of course we've always been controlled to think a certain way by those in power. With freedom, It depends how we look at it from what perspective. We talking about, certain aspects of society or the whole thing altogether WATCH HOLO! WATCH HOLO! HOLO! HOLO! HOLO! Is it working XD They shouldn't even click on the thread if they get mad that easily It's getting closer to the whole thing Nah, it doesn't work like that How do you feel that it is being struck upon society altogether? Then I guess we'll have to use our Superior Linguistic Skills to convince you XD |
Mar 7, 2022 3:24 PM
#54
Desolated said: I'm trying to make more people Marxist-Leninist Have you tried giving people severe brain damage? That usually works. |
Mar 7, 2022 3:32 PM
#55
An injury I suffered when I was younger, then trying to read up on the so called ways to "help" it and visiting several doctors opened me up to the misinformation about my injury when I found someone who could actually treat it. I trust myself the most and always question what people say and research what they are saying so unless you are really good bullshitting then I won't be swayed. |
This dance is the pinnacle of human achievement. |
Mar 7, 2022 6:12 PM
#56
Mar 8, 2022 11:42 AM
#57
HoloisHolo said: I'm not sure what you mean or what you're referring toNoboru said: HoloisHolo said: Noboru said: HoloisHolo said: Noboru said: HoloisHolo said: Noboru said: HoloisHolo said: Yes, that's what the Red Scare was all aboutNoboru said: HoloisHolo said: I completely agree with you. Also from the British came the extreme anti-German sentiments. Now people start to do pretty much the same thing towards Russians. It's like people have become too stupid to learn from history or they stay willfully ignorantPeople seem to think propaganda originates only from bad places like the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany, but we in America were adopting British propaganda techniques starting in the early 20th century. And propaganda doesn't just effect people's view of the world or their country, it effects relationships. The fact people would end their relationship with someone over supporting Trump is absolutely absurd. And relationships that depend too much on which side you support or even just not support enough are quite fragile. Now the scary part is when enough people follow a specific narrative where it starts to become "okay" to not treat people based on their ethnicity or medical choice Yup; and we've been doing the Anti-Russian stuff forever since it not only gives us an enemy, but our anti-soviet and communist red scare tactics at the time were used as a means to suppress labor movements. Yeah Anti-German sentiments at the time were probably awful, just awful. Here's an example of how much people were overreacting. Kitchener, a city in Canada was originally called Berlin, changed it's name in 1916. Yeah shows you what kind of people the people one knows might be, if they're willing to end a relationship because you don't agree with them. Too much in recent years we've seen a cheering on of censorship, even if it's under a justification of censoring information that's wrong, it isn't right to do that. And it's not even about censoring information that's wrong to begin with, it's about censoring information that's critical and damaging. I didn't know about this particular place, but I've heard of other such name changes This sadly isn't restricted to personal lives, but also to professional lives. As in denying services or venues to people of a specific nationality and/or for voicing an opinion that is contrary to the authorized ideology and/or opinion Yes, everything becomes a threat when it goes against the narrative. It's also funny how quickly people join on the support bandwagon when they hear it from their government and on the media that being for a specific thing is "good" and being against or just not voicing support is "bad". Most of those people don't show their support and actually care, because if they did, they would have done so before their media and/or politicians told them that it would be a good thing. No, those people just play "showing solidarity" in order to improve their standing in society. This is just like playing the fan of a football team and shunning off anyone that appears to be from a rivaling team And then people say they're not being manipulated when they only react when they're being told to do so from the media and politicians of their country/region Sometimes I feel the whole world has gone insane and lost common sense lol. And on your point about how people react to things when they are told to/told to feel things. Instead of doing it before. I completely agree. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a perfect example. What's going on there is terrible, and people should be outraged and feel something. I'm not saying this applies to everyone, but for people who feel nothing when there's atrocities committed in the Middle East by the US and Israel. But now feel something; it's only because they're told to feel outraged. And you're point on ""showing solidarity" in order to improve their standing in society. "" Yup often times people protest for self-righteous reasons of feeling good/morally superior. Or worse, for Social Media reasons Yes, the craziness has even increased in the recent years. Especially as a result of guided thinking where people are getting implanted thoughts Yes but there have been so many atrocities and bad things happening that makes one feel indifferent about those, which is a form of self-protection Exactly. I'd like to know how we ended up being in a mindset dictatorship And it'll probably get worse lol; even with the last few years bringing about even greater craziness in what you can and can't say I guess that's true, it is a bit too much to expect everyone to feel the same I do about it We probably always have been. The term itself comes from the 20th century, but the idea of shaping public opinion, you could probably trace that back to ancient times. If you're controlling information, you can dictate what does and doesn't get out. Although for the longest time now that's impossible to control what doesn't get out. But it's not about convincing everyone, it's convincing enough people to follow your propaganda. The only propaganda I like is Holo Propaganda :D Yes, but it's also in parts because people have seemingly become more sensitive, so that's why we have all the additional rules and the CE board closed Yeah, but quite some expect others to feel the same as them themselves. One of the major conflict potentials in human interactions is precisely when one side doesn't feel as much about the other person or about a specific matter as the other one So I was right years ago when I was mentioning in some thread (forgot about which) that that time would one where we would still have the illusion of freedom. Which would make the illusion become more visible as such Yes, it's all about influencing enough people to follow a specific narrative lol, I was considering watching it, but I feel too unmotivated/tired for it, so that propaganda won't work on me xD That too. Also it's so stupid on how people can't have a spirited debate and discussion and exchange of ideas. Instead it has to be a who's right thing, defending one's point, while ignoring every thing the other person says. They shouldn't have taken down the Current Events thread. I find it fun. I mean if people are just gonna get mad at other viewpoints, then they shouldn't post on there. Yeah of course we've always been controlled to think a certain way by those in power. With freedom, It depends how we look at it from what perspective. We talking about, certain aspects of society or the whole thing altogether WATCH HOLO! WATCH HOLO! HOLO! HOLO! HOLO! Is it working XD They shouldn't even click on the thread if they get mad that easily It's getting closer to the whole thing Nah, it doesn't work like that How do you feel that it is being struck upon society altogether? Then I guess we'll have to use our Superior Linguistic Skills to convince you XD Can't manipulate me that easily xD |
Mar 8, 2022 3:11 PM
#58
Noboru said: HoloisHolo said: I'm not sure what you mean or what you're referring toNoboru said: HoloisHolo said: Noboru said: HoloisHolo said: Noboru said: HoloisHolo said: Noboru said: HoloisHolo said: Yes, that's what the Red Scare was all aboutNoboru said: HoloisHolo said: I completely agree with you. Also from the British came the extreme anti-German sentiments. Now people start to do pretty much the same thing towards Russians. It's like people have become too stupid to learn from history or they stay willfully ignorantPeople seem to think propaganda originates only from bad places like the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany, but we in America were adopting British propaganda techniques starting in the early 20th century. And propaganda doesn't just effect people's view of the world or their country, it effects relationships. The fact people would end their relationship with someone over supporting Trump is absolutely absurd. And relationships that depend too much on which side you support or even just not support enough are quite fragile. Now the scary part is when enough people follow a specific narrative where it starts to become "okay" to not treat people based on their ethnicity or medical choice Yup; and we've been doing the Anti-Russian stuff forever since it not only gives us an enemy, but our anti-soviet and communist red scare tactics at the time were used as a means to suppress labor movements. Yeah Anti-German sentiments at the time were probably awful, just awful. Here's an example of how much people were overreacting. Kitchener, a city in Canada was originally called Berlin, changed it's name in 1916. Yeah shows you what kind of people the people one knows might be, if they're willing to end a relationship because you don't agree with them. Too much in recent years we've seen a cheering on of censorship, even if it's under a justification of censoring information that's wrong, it isn't right to do that. And it's not even about censoring information that's wrong to begin with, it's about censoring information that's critical and damaging. I didn't know about this particular place, but I've heard of other such name changes This sadly isn't restricted to personal lives, but also to professional lives. As in denying services or venues to people of a specific nationality and/or for voicing an opinion that is contrary to the authorized ideology and/or opinion Yes, everything becomes a threat when it goes against the narrative. It's also funny how quickly people join on the support bandwagon when they hear it from their government and on the media that being for a specific thing is "good" and being against or just not voicing support is "bad". Most of those people don't show their support and actually care, because if they did, they would have done so before their media and/or politicians told them that it would be a good thing. No, those people just play "showing solidarity" in order to improve their standing in society. This is just like playing the fan of a football team and shunning off anyone that appears to be from a rivaling team And then people say they're not being manipulated when they only react when they're being told to do so from the media and politicians of their country/region Sometimes I feel the whole world has gone insane and lost common sense lol. And on your point about how people react to things when they are told to/told to feel things. Instead of doing it before. I completely agree. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a perfect example. What's going on there is terrible, and people should be outraged and feel something. I'm not saying this applies to everyone, but for people who feel nothing when there's atrocities committed in the Middle East by the US and Israel. But now feel something; it's only because they're told to feel outraged. And you're point on ""showing solidarity" in order to improve their standing in society. "" Yup often times people protest for self-righteous reasons of feeling good/morally superior. Or worse, for Social Media reasons Yes, the craziness has even increased in the recent years. Especially as a result of guided thinking where people are getting implanted thoughts Yes but there have been so many atrocities and bad things happening that makes one feel indifferent about those, which is a form of self-protection Exactly. I'd like to know how we ended up being in a mindset dictatorship And it'll probably get worse lol; even with the last few years bringing about even greater craziness in what you can and can't say I guess that's true, it is a bit too much to expect everyone to feel the same I do about it We probably always have been. The term itself comes from the 20th century, but the idea of shaping public opinion, you could probably trace that back to ancient times. If you're controlling information, you can dictate what does and doesn't get out. Although for the longest time now that's impossible to control what doesn't get out. But it's not about convincing everyone, it's convincing enough people to follow your propaganda. The only propaganda I like is Holo Propaganda :D Yes, but it's also in parts because people have seemingly become more sensitive, so that's why we have all the additional rules and the CE board closed Yeah, but quite some expect others to feel the same as them themselves. One of the major conflict potentials in human interactions is precisely when one side doesn't feel as much about the other person or about a specific matter as the other one So I was right years ago when I was mentioning in some thread (forgot about which) that that time would one where we would still have the illusion of freedom. Which would make the illusion become more visible as such Yes, it's all about influencing enough people to follow a specific narrative lol, I was considering watching it, but I feel too unmotivated/tired for it, so that propaganda won't work on me xD That too. Also it's so stupid on how people can't have a spirited debate and discussion and exchange of ideas. Instead it has to be a who's right thing, defending one's point, while ignoring every thing the other person says. They shouldn't have taken down the Current Events thread. I find it fun. I mean if people are just gonna get mad at other viewpoints, then they shouldn't post on there. Yeah of course we've always been controlled to think a certain way by those in power. With freedom, It depends how we look at it from what perspective. We talking about, certain aspects of society or the whole thing altogether WATCH HOLO! WATCH HOLO! HOLO! HOLO! HOLO! Is it working XD They shouldn't even click on the thread if they get mad that easily It's getting closer to the whole thing Nah, it doesn't work like that How do you feel that it is being struck upon society altogether? Then I guess we'll have to use our Superior Linguistic Skills to convince you XD Can't manipulate me that easily xD Like how do you feel that we're losing our freedoms. Of course, as we've seen over the last two years, it can be quite subjective, and the fact that the word freedom is being made to be a bit of a dirty word is bit worrisome. Now, I'm not someone who shouts freedom from the rooftops or applies freedom to everything as justification for the status quo, but it's very weird to me when people dismiss the idea of having freedoms in order to one up those protesting Looks like we're gonna have to send you to The Holo Center XD |
Mar 8, 2022 3:26 PM
#59
HoloisHolo said: It has already started with the freedom of medical choice as in: what measures you do for your personal safety, the restrictions if you don't want to follow the measures and the punishments for breaking the restrictionsNoboru said: HoloisHolo said: Noboru said: HoloisHolo said: Noboru said: HoloisHolo said: Noboru said: HoloisHolo said: Noboru said: HoloisHolo said: Yes, that's what the Red Scare was all aboutNoboru said: HoloisHolo said: I completely agree with you. Also from the British came the extreme anti-German sentiments. Now people start to do pretty much the same thing towards Russians. It's like people have become too stupid to learn from history or they stay willfully ignorantPeople seem to think propaganda originates only from bad places like the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany, but we in America were adopting British propaganda techniques starting in the early 20th century. And propaganda doesn't just effect people's view of the world or their country, it effects relationships. The fact people would end their relationship with someone over supporting Trump is absolutely absurd. And relationships that depend too much on which side you support or even just not support enough are quite fragile. Now the scary part is when enough people follow a specific narrative where it starts to become "okay" to not treat people based on their ethnicity or medical choice Yup; and we've been doing the Anti-Russian stuff forever since it not only gives us an enemy, but our anti-soviet and communist red scare tactics at the time were used as a means to suppress labor movements. Yeah Anti-German sentiments at the time were probably awful, just awful. Here's an example of how much people were overreacting. Kitchener, a city in Canada was originally called Berlin, changed it's name in 1916. Yeah shows you what kind of people the people one knows might be, if they're willing to end a relationship because you don't agree with them. Too much in recent years we've seen a cheering on of censorship, even if it's under a justification of censoring information that's wrong, it isn't right to do that. And it's not even about censoring information that's wrong to begin with, it's about censoring information that's critical and damaging. I didn't know about this particular place, but I've heard of other such name changes This sadly isn't restricted to personal lives, but also to professional lives. As in denying services or venues to people of a specific nationality and/or for voicing an opinion that is contrary to the authorized ideology and/or opinion Yes, everything becomes a threat when it goes against the narrative. It's also funny how quickly people join on the support bandwagon when they hear it from their government and on the media that being for a specific thing is "good" and being against or just not voicing support is "bad". Most of those people don't show their support and actually care, because if they did, they would have done so before their media and/or politicians told them that it would be a good thing. No, those people just play "showing solidarity" in order to improve their standing in society. This is just like playing the fan of a football team and shunning off anyone that appears to be from a rivaling team And then people say they're not being manipulated when they only react when they're being told to do so from the media and politicians of their country/region Sometimes I feel the whole world has gone insane and lost common sense lol. And on your point about how people react to things when they are told to/told to feel things. Instead of doing it before. I completely agree. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a perfect example. What's going on there is terrible, and people should be outraged and feel something. I'm not saying this applies to everyone, but for people who feel nothing when there's atrocities committed in the Middle East by the US and Israel. But now feel something; it's only because they're told to feel outraged. And you're point on ""showing solidarity" in order to improve their standing in society. "" Yup often times people protest for self-righteous reasons of feeling good/morally superior. Or worse, for Social Media reasons Yes, the craziness has even increased in the recent years. Especially as a result of guided thinking where people are getting implanted thoughts Yes but there have been so many atrocities and bad things happening that makes one feel indifferent about those, which is a form of self-protection Exactly. I'd like to know how we ended up being in a mindset dictatorship And it'll probably get worse lol; even with the last few years bringing about even greater craziness in what you can and can't say I guess that's true, it is a bit too much to expect everyone to feel the same I do about it We probably always have been. The term itself comes from the 20th century, but the idea of shaping public opinion, you could probably trace that back to ancient times. If you're controlling information, you can dictate what does and doesn't get out. Although for the longest time now that's impossible to control what doesn't get out. But it's not about convincing everyone, it's convincing enough people to follow your propaganda. The only propaganda I like is Holo Propaganda :D Yes, but it's also in parts because people have seemingly become more sensitive, so that's why we have all the additional rules and the CE board closed Yeah, but quite some expect others to feel the same as them themselves. One of the major conflict potentials in human interactions is precisely when one side doesn't feel as much about the other person or about a specific matter as the other one So I was right years ago when I was mentioning in some thread (forgot about which) that that time would one where we would still have the illusion of freedom. Which would make the illusion become more visible as such Yes, it's all about influencing enough people to follow a specific narrative lol, I was considering watching it, but I feel too unmotivated/tired for it, so that propaganda won't work on me xD That too. Also it's so stupid on how people can't have a spirited debate and discussion and exchange of ideas. Instead it has to be a who's right thing, defending one's point, while ignoring every thing the other person says. They shouldn't have taken down the Current Events thread. I find it fun. I mean if people are just gonna get mad at other viewpoints, then they shouldn't post on there. Yeah of course we've always been controlled to think a certain way by those in power. With freedom, It depends how we look at it from what perspective. We talking about, certain aspects of society or the whole thing altogether WATCH HOLO! WATCH HOLO! HOLO! HOLO! HOLO! Is it working XD They shouldn't even click on the thread if they get mad that easily It's getting closer to the whole thing Nah, it doesn't work like that How do you feel that it is being struck upon society altogether? Then I guess we'll have to use our Superior Linguistic Skills to convince you XD Can't manipulate me that easily xD Like how do you feel that we're losing our freedoms. Of course, as we've seen over the last two years, it can be quite subjective, and the fact that the word freedom is being made to be a bit of a dirty word is bit worrisome. Now, I'm not someone who shouts freedom from the rooftops or applies freedom to everything as justification for the status quo, but it's very weird to me when people dismiss the idea of having freedoms in order to one up those protesting Looks like we're gonna have to send you to The Holo Center XD Plus nowadays, even more cases of being "canceled" or socially and existentially ousted if you say your opinions with your actual identity if it goes against the narrative. It can also easily cost your job and reputation if you present evidence against the narrative Maybe another time |
Mar 9, 2022 10:42 AM
#60
You are not immune to propaganda. Somewhere out there, there's a piece of propaganda that can influence anyone (I mean, not one singular piece, but for every person there's something out there that can be used to manipulate and deceive them). Just like with confidence schemes, the people most vulnerable to propaganda are the people who are confident they're immune. If you're saying you're immune to propaganda, I assume immediately that your head is utterly clogged with it. And I'm almost always right. I know for a fact that I've fallen for some liberal propaganda that fits my biases, even when it's deeply implausible stories. But if you want to believe something because it supports your priors, your mind has a funny way of ignoring the holes in the story. All human minds work this way, there's no use denying. |
Mar 9, 2022 11:59 AM
#61
Noboru said: HoloisHolo said: It has already started with the freedom of medical choice as in: what measures you do for your personal safety, the restrictions if you don't want to follow the measures and the punishments for breaking the restrictionsNoboru said: HoloisHolo said: I'm not sure what you mean or what you're referring toNoboru said: HoloisHolo said: Noboru said: HoloisHolo said: Noboru said: HoloisHolo said: Noboru said: HoloisHolo said: Yes, that's what the Red Scare was all aboutNoboru said: HoloisHolo said: I completely agree with you. Also from the British came the extreme anti-German sentiments. Now people start to do pretty much the same thing towards Russians. It's like people have become too stupid to learn from history or they stay willfully ignorantPeople seem to think propaganda originates only from bad places like the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany, but we in America were adopting British propaganda techniques starting in the early 20th century. And propaganda doesn't just effect people's view of the world or their country, it effects relationships. The fact people would end their relationship with someone over supporting Trump is absolutely absurd. And relationships that depend too much on which side you support or even just not support enough are quite fragile. Now the scary part is when enough people follow a specific narrative where it starts to become "okay" to not treat people based on their ethnicity or medical choice Yup; and we've been doing the Anti-Russian stuff forever since it not only gives us an enemy, but our anti-soviet and communist red scare tactics at the time were used as a means to suppress labor movements. Yeah Anti-German sentiments at the time were probably awful, just awful. Here's an example of how much people were overreacting. Kitchener, a city in Canada was originally called Berlin, changed it's name in 1916. Yeah shows you what kind of people the people one knows might be, if they're willing to end a relationship because you don't agree with them. Too much in recent years we've seen a cheering on of censorship, even if it's under a justification of censoring information that's wrong, it isn't right to do that. And it's not even about censoring information that's wrong to begin with, it's about censoring information that's critical and damaging. I didn't know about this particular place, but I've heard of other such name changes This sadly isn't restricted to personal lives, but also to professional lives. As in denying services or venues to people of a specific nationality and/or for voicing an opinion that is contrary to the authorized ideology and/or opinion Yes, everything becomes a threat when it goes against the narrative. It's also funny how quickly people join on the support bandwagon when they hear it from their government and on the media that being for a specific thing is "good" and being against or just not voicing support is "bad". Most of those people don't show their support and actually care, because if they did, they would have done so before their media and/or politicians told them that it would be a good thing. No, those people just play "showing solidarity" in order to improve their standing in society. This is just like playing the fan of a football team and shunning off anyone that appears to be from a rivaling team And then people say they're not being manipulated when they only react when they're being told to do so from the media and politicians of their country/region Sometimes I feel the whole world has gone insane and lost common sense lol. And on your point about how people react to things when they are told to/told to feel things. Instead of doing it before. I completely agree. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a perfect example. What's going on there is terrible, and people should be outraged and feel something. I'm not saying this applies to everyone, but for people who feel nothing when there's atrocities committed in the Middle East by the US and Israel. But now feel something; it's only because they're told to feel outraged. And you're point on ""showing solidarity" in order to improve their standing in society. "" Yup often times people protest for self-righteous reasons of feeling good/morally superior. Or worse, for Social Media reasons Yes, the craziness has even increased in the recent years. Especially as a result of guided thinking where people are getting implanted thoughts Yes but there have been so many atrocities and bad things happening that makes one feel indifferent about those, which is a form of self-protection Exactly. I'd like to know how we ended up being in a mindset dictatorship And it'll probably get worse lol; even with the last few years bringing about even greater craziness in what you can and can't say I guess that's true, it is a bit too much to expect everyone to feel the same I do about it We probably always have been. The term itself comes from the 20th century, but the idea of shaping public opinion, you could probably trace that back to ancient times. If you're controlling information, you can dictate what does and doesn't get out. Although for the longest time now that's impossible to control what doesn't get out. But it's not about convincing everyone, it's convincing enough people to follow your propaganda. The only propaganda I like is Holo Propaganda :D Yes, but it's also in parts because people have seemingly become more sensitive, so that's why we have all the additional rules and the CE board closed Yeah, but quite some expect others to feel the same as them themselves. One of the major conflict potentials in human interactions is precisely when one side doesn't feel as much about the other person or about a specific matter as the other one So I was right years ago when I was mentioning in some thread (forgot about which) that that time would one where we would still have the illusion of freedom. Which would make the illusion become more visible as such Yes, it's all about influencing enough people to follow a specific narrative lol, I was considering watching it, but I feel too unmotivated/tired for it, so that propaganda won't work on me xD That too. Also it's so stupid on how people can't have a spirited debate and discussion and exchange of ideas. Instead it has to be a who's right thing, defending one's point, while ignoring every thing the other person says. They shouldn't have taken down the Current Events thread. I find it fun. I mean if people are just gonna get mad at other viewpoints, then they shouldn't post on there. Yeah of course we've always been controlled to think a certain way by those in power. With freedom, It depends how we look at it from what perspective. We talking about, certain aspects of society or the whole thing altogether WATCH HOLO! WATCH HOLO! HOLO! HOLO! HOLO! Is it working XD They shouldn't even click on the thread if they get mad that easily It's getting closer to the whole thing Nah, it doesn't work like that How do you feel that it is being struck upon society altogether? Then I guess we'll have to use our Superior Linguistic Skills to convince you XD Can't manipulate me that easily xD Like how do you feel that we're losing our freedoms. Of course, as we've seen over the last two years, it can be quite subjective, and the fact that the word freedom is being made to be a bit of a dirty word is bit worrisome. Now, I'm not someone who shouts freedom from the rooftops or applies freedom to everything as justification for the status quo, but it's very weird to me when people dismiss the idea of having freedoms in order to one up those protesting Looks like we're gonna have to send you to The Holo Center XD Plus nowadays, even more cases of being "canceled" or socially and existentially ousted if you say your opinions with your actual identity if it goes against the narrative. It can also easily cost your job and reputation if you present evidence against the narrative Maybe another time Yeah I get what you mean, that's what I meant as in the world has gone crazy and lost common sense. I mean here since early last year, things have carried on normally. But the year before although it wasn't as strict as other states; I mean ok, not having large scaled events for now, ok I get that, but actually telling people they can't see each other. And forcing businesses to close. That is way too much. Obviously people did see each other still, but if you know people who followed the rules, well you weren't seeing them. But places that went into lockdown multiple times; I don't know what the feels like but it must've sucked. That is also way too much of an overreach. Yeah nobody can have different opinions nowadays unless it's within a spectrum of acceptable thought |
Mar 9, 2022 12:29 PM
#62
Anyone who says they are completely immune to propaganda is lying. We get fed way too much wrong information and most of us don't have the time to fact check everything we see. However, I do think some people are less likely to fall for propaganda then others. I would hope that I am one of those people but I'm sure some would disagree. |
Mar 9, 2022 1:45 PM
#63
No one is immune to propaganda, there are of course things that may make some one less likely to eat everything up they are told. But talking with people that take some propaganda as the absolute truth and a guide to life decisions is not to call them idiots or question everything in their life style. Just have a civil discussion and take them seriously, maybe then they will open up to your own perception of things. |
Mar 9, 2022 2:54 PM
#64
HoloisHolo said: I completely agree, the measures have been out of proportions with no tangible gains and more downsides overallI mean ok, not having large scaled events for now, ok I get that, but actually telling people they can't see each other. And forcing businesses to close. That is way too much. Yeah nobody can have different opinions nowadays unless it's within a spectrum of acceptable thought Correction: you can, but if you voice it under your actual identity, you may have your reputation destroyed and lose your job |
Mar 9, 2022 6:56 PM
#65
Noboru said: HoloisHolo said: I completely agree, the measures have been out of proportions with no tangible gains and more downsides overallI mean ok, not having large scaled events for now, ok I get that, but actually telling people they can't see each other. And forcing businesses to close. That is way too much. Yeah nobody can have different opinions nowadays unless it's within a spectrum of acceptable thought Correction: you can, but if you voice it under your actual identity, you may have your reputation destroyed and lose your jobYeah, and all while those in charge and wealthy, the rules didn't apply to them. But anyways, were here now, and countries are moving forward. Just hopefully, they don't decide to go back. But it depends what we're exactly talking about. You can have an opinion that's not controversial in one place, but is in another state or wherever. |
Mar 9, 2022 6:59 PM
#66
Violet42 said: You are not immune to propaganda. Somewhere out there, there's a piece of propaganda that can influence anyone (I mean, not one singular piece, but for every person there's something out there that can be used to manipulate and deceive them). Just like with confidence schemes, the people most vulnerable to propaganda are the people who are confident they're immune. If you're saying you're immune to propaganda, I assume immediately that your head is utterly clogged with it. And I'm almost always right. I know for a fact that I've fallen for some liberal propaganda that fits my biases, even when it's deeply implausible stories. But if you want to believe something because it supports your priors, your mind has a funny way of ignoring the holes in the story. All human minds work this way, there's no use denying. Challenge accepted, must make one piece of propaganda that can influence anyone |
Mar 9, 2022 7:14 PM
#67
I'm a naturally skeptical person and have been for a while. It's the one positive from me being forced to go to church as a kid. I'd like to think I'm logical enough to see through most obvious nonsense. Which is why I generally don't lean towards the left or the right. |
Mar 12, 2022 5:53 AM
#68
No... after reading his book, I once believed a ten year old YEC kid knew more about Dinosaurs than Palaeontologist's who studied it and made it their career 🥺 it didn't last too long though, and at least I learnt a valuable lesson. |
Mar 12, 2022 6:16 AM
#69
No one is completely immune to propaganda |
Mar 12, 2022 12:35 PM
#70
Hell no. I used to think feminism was a good thing. lol |
If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
Mar 12, 2022 3:29 PM
#71
No, and I don't think anyone is for that matter. It's so ingrained in media and society that we all respond to it subconsciously to some extent. With that said, I do pride myself on being able to think critically and have an effective understanding of what propaganda is as well as how it works. |
Take care of yourself |
Mar 14, 2022 12:12 PM
#72
katsucats said: The-Nsider said: Hahaha, this made me laugh. Consider for a moment the fact that CNN isn't even left-wing, it's centrist. The vast majority of international news is to the left of CNN.If you are watching CNN then you live in a lie. Journalism no longer covers news they are a political agenda and the agenda isn't for you it's for themselves. Lets be clear the biggest weapon deployed by the left is the press. You're comment made no sense pal proves one thing you leftist can't admit when you're wrong. |
Mar 14, 2022 2:13 PM
#73
Nobody is immune to propaganda, that's the point of propaganda. |
Apr 29, 2022 8:10 PM
#74
Nobody is truly immune to propaganda, the best we can do is stay vigilant and inform others against it. (Yes, I am posting a reply on my own thread in order to bump it.) |
Apr 29, 2022 8:36 PM
#75
I am immune to any propaganda that said capitalism is a good thing and better than socialism. I am immune to any propaganda that said conservatism is superior to progressivism. You can't swing me to the right. |
Apr 29, 2022 8:49 PM
#76
Those who think they're immune to propaganda are the ones most affected by it. Someone who never doubts they are right is someone who always commits to their errors. |
Apr 29, 2022 8:57 PM
#77
No I'm not and neither are any of you. |
Die like you did by the lake on Naboo. |
Apr 30, 2022 6:10 AM
#78
like asking me if i can build a smartphone from scratch. no i don't spend my whole life doing that nor detecting whatever misinformation is constantly told in media by people spending their whole lives doing that |
Apr 30, 2022 6:21 AM
#79
Nobody is immune to propaganda lol. If someone claims that they aren't influenced by any form of propaganda, that's an instant red flag. Humans love making it seem like all their beliefs and positions in life are authentic and devoid of external influence, but reality is invariably the opposite. Everyone has an inherent bias to a certain extent based on several factors and you spend the rest of your life trying to justify it. It just comes down to questioning those biased positions and testing them constantly to ensure that you're living up to your principles and not just smelling your own farts by refusing to change at any cost. |
Apr 30, 2022 8:53 AM
#80
being immune to propaganda is basically impossible, but you can become extremely resistant to it, the more propaganda you actually experience/see you can avoid, keeping neutral/open minded/not believing things straight away helps.. if you read the news you're gonna fall to it constantly |
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