Do you think it is a bad decision not to want children to enjoy more financial freedom and have more time for Anime, Manga, video games, and traveling?
| Well of course not. In fact it is a good decision. Honestly it saddens me whenever I see people who breeds more than 4 children despite the fact that they can hardly sustain for the children's needs. It's still not that uncommon right here. Though if I ever change my mind and want to have any child, I'd most likely adopt one instead of having biological child to not contribute to the ever-growing world birth rate. -Linden- said: Apparently despite the covid-19 pandemic, our population is still increasing. https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/The only adults who "look down" on you for not starting a family and focusing on making yourself happy are probably just projecting because they chose not to do the same. I'm right there with you too, and at this point, I don't I'll ever pursue a serious relationship with anyone that's gonna lead to having kids. Edit for the change: Maybe on a societal level, it would be bad if literally everyone decided not to have children. Things would kind of collapse. But no, we're not close to that point yet, and whole lot of people rn can afford to not have children, and there's nothing wrong with living for yourself these days. Which is pretty alarming considering a lot of people are suffering economically. Hopefully (though probably never be the case), these new human who just got born are able to acquire basic human needs. |
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| I don't think anyone should be forced to have children |
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| World population has exploded in the past 100 years or so, so it's actually good that not everyone's getting children. I also don't want to have children for many reasons. Financial things are one thing, but I'm just not the type of being a good mother. And I'm not interested in such relationships that could possibly turn into having children. Basically in today's world there's way more reasons to not have children than to have children. Respect your own decision and feelings. |
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| Nah, I don't think it's bad. If everyone had to be a parent then people who don't want to raise children/aren't capable to would still be parents and do a shitty job at it, So not having a kid and focusing more on yourself is ten times better than having a kid but neglecting him and focusing on yourself. Although, It's one of the things that isn't inherently bad but if everyone did it, Then it'll be bad, But we're pretty far from gradual extinction due to not wanting to have children, Hell, we're not even decreasing. So yeah, Pretty understandable OP, Maybe just expect for some of your views to change as you get older or maybe a meet a partner that opposes your decision. |
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| Do whatever you want to do in your life |
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| do what makes you happy! And if that's not having kids then dont! They definitely are a pain >.< |
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RightwingMilluki said: Did you just mask off for being a social darwinist?to just have less of a stigma for not having children is great eugenics. so people who have gobbled up the antinatalistic zeitgeist do not spread their presumably terrible genes. Well, guess what? We can still adopt children. |
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| Not a problem, you do what you want with your life. If you don't want children, it's better to not have any, instead of having them and regretting it, making both your life and your children's lives shit in the process. |
| If my days in the retirement home taught me one thing it's that life is a fricken parabola. You go from literally a baby who can't feed itself, to this hotstud warrior legend trying to save the world, all the way back down to a baby who can't feed itself, at least for most people xD Find your apex nerds; don't have kids if you can't support them. Kids are fun as fuck when you have the resources to raise them right not that ive had kids before or anything.. |
| I am doing the same thing so no. I rather keep with my part-time job then work more to raise a kid that I might lose custody of if someone gets borred and wants a divorce. |
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| Having been around kids for my whole life, there's no way I'd want my own. |
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| Having a kid is not a requirement, so go ahead and be childfree. I have even considered doing medical procedures to prevent it from happening. |
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| Having had my children now, and now grown up, I am on my own. I have all the time in the world to read manga, watch anime, travel, do what I want. Children do not inhibit this, and what you get from it is far more valuable than what you temporarily give up. So i think it is actually a bum argument. But, you do you, no one is judging, but I just think some of you young ones get the impression that having kids is bad, but it is not, it is the most wonderful thing you can do, just one little smile from them and the whole day is worth it. Plus you send them to bed, then you can still watch an episode or two. |
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RightwingMilluki said: to just have less of a stigma for not having children is great eugenics. so people who have gobbled up the antinatalistic zeitgeist do not spread their presumably terrible genes. how do you think antinatalists are born? |
| sounds lonely af, ngl part of the benefit of starting a family is at least you got somebody to take care of you when you get old. unless you do end up rich, you won't be able to afford that sort of service long term i mean, you can have a good circle of friends, but its just not the same as a family. different dynamics, different social responsibilities, and so on. i dont want to sell the idea that having children is something you have to do, but theres a lot of good things than the financial obligation of it all. often times i have to ask whats the point of money if you aren't spending it on things that really matter? anime and video games to me are just past time activities. they dont come out with enough value to truly divest a significant portion of time to them. |
| It's not a bad decision at all if you ask me. |
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Tachii said: sounds lonely af, ngl part of the benefit of starting a family is at least you got somebody to take care of you when you get old. unless you do end up rich, you won't be able to afford that sort of service long term i mean, you can have a good circle of friends, but its just not the same as a family. different dynamics, different social responsibilities, and so on. What sort of fantasy land are you living in right now? That is not guaranteed to happen. There are stupid people who leaves their parents and treat them shit, regardless whether the parents brought them up well or otherwise. |
γγγ¨γγ« εγγ¨ζγΈ ε±±ζ‘ θ±γγε€γ« η₯γδΊΊγγͺγ. On a mountain slope, Solitary, uncompanioned, Stands a cherry tree. Except for you, lonely friend, To others I am unknown. |
| Well if you're male and play your cards right you can always wait till you're in your 40's or 50's to get children. No need to be in a rush. |
KaasfondueApr 18, 2021 7:44 AM
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Monotonous said: those are the exception, not the ruleTachii said: sounds lonely af, ngl part of the benefit of starting a family is at least you got somebody to take care of you when you get old. unless you do end up rich, you won't be able to afford that sort of service long term i mean, you can have a good circle of friends, but its just not the same as a family. different dynamics, different social responsibilities, and so on. What sort of fantasy land are you living in right now? That is not guaranteed to happen. There are stupid people who leaves their parents and treat them shit, regardless whether the parents brought them up well or otherwise. i see a lot of seniors in their home as my profession, and it definitely isnt common as you think it is. |
Tachii said: sounds lonely af, ngl part of the benefit of starting a family is at least you got somebody to take care of you when you get old. unless you do end up rich, you won't be able to afford that sort of service long term i mean, you can have a good circle of friends, but its just not the same as a family. different dynamics, different social responsibilities, and so on. i dont want to sell the idea that having children is something you have to do, but theres a lot of good things than the financial obligation of it all. often times i have to ask whats the point of money if you aren't spending it on things that really matter? anime and video games to me are just past time activities. they dont come out with enough value to truly divest a significant portion of time to them. You can have a family and still feel lonely. Family isn't just blood related. Having children just so someone can take care of you when you're old is selfish. Children grow up and have their own responsibilities and commitments and some even move away to a different country. Your children may even die before you. What then? As someone else has said, some old people are put into care homes and never see even see their children. |
prince_noctis_ said: classic arguments when nowhere did I mention that should be the sole reason to have children lolTachii said: sounds lonely af, ngl part of the benefit of starting a family is at least you got somebody to take care of you when you get old. unless you do end up rich, you won't be able to afford that sort of service long term i mean, you can have a good circle of friends, but its just not the same as a family. different dynamics, different social responsibilities, and so on. i dont want to sell the idea that having children is something you have to do, but theres a lot of good things than the financial obligation of it all. often times i have to ask whats the point of money if you aren't spending it on things that really matter? anime and video games to me are just past time activities. they dont come out with enough value to truly divest a significant portion of time to them. You can have a family and still feel lonely. Family isn't just blood related. Having children just so someone can take care of you when you're old is selfish. Children grow up and have their own responsibilities and commitments and some even move away to a different country. Your children may even die before you. What then? As someone else has said, some old people are put into care homes and never see even see their children. its a side benefit, and for most families its exactly as i said. obviously people shouldnt have children just so they can take care of you, but its a benefit often left untold and its a truth for many seniors living today - i cant count how many times seniors have told me how helpful their children were vs the 1-2 ones that had a negative experience with them many long term care clients still has children that visit them regularly as well, it really isnt as dark as you guys think it is. lets not even get on the topic of selfishness, one can argue just simply staying alive is an act of selfishness, theres no need to paint what actions are considered selfish, since everything you do can be determined as such |
Tachii said: prince_noctis_ said: classic arguments when nowhere did I mention that should be the sole reason to have children lolYou can have a family and still feel lonely. Family isn't just blood related. Having children just so someone can take care of you when you're old is selfish. Children grow up and have their own responsibilities and commitments and some even move away to a different country. Your children may even die before you. What then? As someone else has said, some old people are put into care homes and never see even see their children. its a side benefit, and for most families its exactly as i said. obviously people shouldnt have children just so they can take care of you, but its a benefit often left untold and its a truth for many seniors living today - i cant count how many times seniors have told me how helpful their children were vs the 1-2 ones that had a negative experience with them many long term care clients still has children that visit them regularly as well, it really isnt as dark as you guys think it is. lets not even get on the topic of selfishness, one can argue just simply staying alive is an act of selfishness, theres no need to paint what actions are considered selfish, since everything you do can be determined as such "Classic argument" when you literally say "so somebody can take care of you." lmao ok. There are people that work in care homes and the elderly that live in care homes that say otherwise. Your personal experience doesn't make it true. Stop deflecting and stay on topic. |
prince_noctis_ said: "part of the benefit" is a far cry from "just so someone can" Tachii said: classic arguments when nowhere did I mention that should be the sole reason to have children lol its a side benefit, and for most families its exactly as i said. obviously people shouldnt have children just so they can take care of you, but its a benefit often left untold and its a truth for many seniors living today - i cant count how many times seniors have told me how helpful their children were vs the 1-2 ones that had a negative experience with them many long term care clients still has children that visit them regularly as well, it really isnt as dark as you guys think it is. lets not even get on the topic of selfishness, one can argue just simply staying alive is an act of selfishness, theres no need to paint what actions are considered selfish, since everything you do can be determined as such "Classic argument" when you literally say "so somebody can take care of you." lmao ok. There are people that work in care homes and the elderly that live in care homes that say otherwise. Your personal experience doesn't make it true. Stop deflecting and stay on topic. It's clear enough that if you're still misinterpreting it, then not much I can do here. How does my personal experience not validate my view? Both realities can coexist. Your point doesn't really contradict what I said about seniors who still have supports and visits from their children. |
TachiiApr 18, 2021 10:11 AM
| Whether you want to start a family or not should not matter to anybody, if you want to focus on yourself people should let you. It's a very conservative way of thinking that one day you'll get married and have children, the only people who still actually care about stuff like that are people from a generation where everybody had to live by this magical code of the stereotypical "American Dream". Of course, this works vice versa, if you want to start a family, no one is obligated to tell you not to. Whether it's a bad decision or not, well that's up to you. It depends on what makes you happy. Maybe the need/want of a family comes with age. |
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| I get really antsy when I waste all my time on anime / video games. I feel like I'm wasting away. We all need something to live for, be it a family, or something else, but I don't see anime / video games being the avenue for that, personally. |
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MoonDragon72 said: 2. The world has become a very dangerous place the past few years especially with climate change. I never got this argument. I would rather live in a dangerous world than never exist at all. I think most people would say the same if they were asked. |
| I don't think having children is an ethical endeavor to begin with, when there are kids who already exist you can adopt. There is no such thing as depriving a non-existent being from a good life, when you refrain from procreation you're not hurting anybody. Whereas when you refrain from adoption someone will be worse-off than they would've been otherwise. Ezekiel said: I never got this argument. I would rather live in a dangerous world than never exist at all. I think most people would say the same if they were asked. You're using existent being intuition to explain away the psychological state of non-existent beings, so the rationale is flawed from the git-go. A non-existent being does not have any preferences, or wants, or anything for that matter. They don't "rather" do anything, they have nothing to base "rather"s upon. Hell, even the fact that I used the pronoun "they" is inaccurate and deceptive since it implies something "is", but due to the conventions of language I have to use a signifier. A better approach would be substituting with ∅ but then my point would've been harder to understand. |
AuronApr 18, 2021 7:40 PM
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| If you're female, you have to consider menopause, but either way you have much time to focus on yourself and consider if you really can put more children in this overpopulated world and support them responsibly, instead of adopting or simply not having children. There's plenty of ways to build families or family-like relationships apart from having children, in any case. |
| No, I made that decision when I was 16 and I'm better off as a result. |
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Auron_ said: I don't think having children is an ethical endeavor to begin with, when there are kids who already exist you can adopt. There is no such thing as depriving a non-existent being from a good life, when you refrain from procreation you're not hurting anybody. Whereas when you refrain from adoption someone will be worse-off than they would've been otherwise. Ezekiel said: I never got this argument. I would rather live in a dangerous world than never exist at all. I think most people would say the same if they were asked. You're using existent being intuition to explain away the psychological state of non-existent beings, so the rationale is flawed from the git-go. A non-existent being does not have any preferences, or wants, or anything for that matter. They don't "rather" do anything, they have nothing to base "rather"s upon. Hell, even the fact that I used the pronoun "they" is inaccurate and deceptive since it implies something "is", but due to the conventions of language I have to use a signifier. A better approach would be substituting with ∅ but then my point would've been harder to understand. I know all that. Ask yourself a different question then. Do you wish you were never born into this dangerous place? If the answer is no, then stop talking like you know what potential people would want. |
Ezekiel said: Auron_ said: I don't think having children is an ethical endeavor to begin with, when there are kids who already exist you can adopt. There is no such thing as depriving a non-existent being from a good life, when you refrain from procreation you're not hurting anybody. Whereas when you refrain from adoption someone will be worse-off than they would've been otherwise. You're using existent being intuition to explain away the psychological state of non-existent beings, so the rationale is flawed from the git-go. A non-existent being does not have any preferences, or wants, or anything for that matter. They don't "rather" do anything, they have nothing to base "rather"s upon. Hell, even the fact that I used the pronoun "they" is inaccurate and deceptive since it implies something "is", but due to the conventions of language I have to use a signifier. A better approach would be substituting with ∅ but then my point would've been harder to understand. I know all that. Ask yourself a different question then. Do you wish you were never born into this dangerous place? If the answer is no, then stop talking like you know what potential people would want. You're making my point though. As an existent being, I can wish I hadn't existed, or be glad that I am. But the same symmetry does not hold for potential people. So you can't really say "Most people like existing, therefore you ought to—or even the weaker claim, that it is good to—bring them into existence." For something to be a binding moral principle, it should be wrong not to do it. And for wrongness I'd say there should be an agent at the receiving end being wronged in some way. But a non-existence that's not being given existence is not being wronged. And even if an existent being likes existence (which is already kinda dubious a claim since you have nothing to compare existence to, so would you even know if you prefer it?) that doesn't have bearing on anything pertaining to non-existence, as it is a completely different moral ballpark. |
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| My dad had me at around 49 years old so I’m in no rush. But my partner is 31 now so time is running out for her. And I could die before I get a chance to have kids so maybe I shouldn’t hold out for too long. I think people who don’t want to have kids are being disrespectful to their own lineage. Imagine everything that your forebears went through to bring your bloodline this far. Only for you to jerk off and watch anime until you die childless. |
| There’s no correct way to live one’s life. As long as you’re happy it doesn’t really matter if you have kids or not. |
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Auron_ said: Ezekiel said: I know all that. Ask yourself a different question then. Do you wish you were never born into this dangerous place? If the answer is no, then stop talking like you know what potential people would want. You're making my point though. As an existent being, I can wish I hadn't existed, or be glad that I am. But the same symmetry does not hold for potential people. So you can't really say "Most people like existing, therefore you ought to—or even the weaker claim, that it is good to—bring them into existence." For something to be a binding moral principle, it should be wrong not to do it. And for wrongness I'd say there should be an agent at the receiving end being wronged in some way. But a non-existence that's not being given existence is not being wronged. And even if an existent being likes existence (which is already kinda dubious a claim since you have nothing to compare existence to, so would you even know if you prefer it?) that doesn't have bearing on anything pertaining to non-existence, as it is a completely different moral ballpark. I never meant to imply that it's good to bring them into existence. We already have too many people and not enough cities (There's plenty of room.) and environmental regulation. What I'm saying is that you are not sparing the potential by not bringing them into existence. I'm not interested in the morality of it. The person said the world is dangerous, so the initial argument, one I see again and again, is that they wouldn't have a good life. Adoption makes no biological sense. Why would I sacrifice so much of my life for a child without passing on my genes? Adoption is mostly for the wealthy, since they don't have as much to lose. |
Ezekiel said: What I'm saying is that you are not sparing the potential by not bringing them into existence. I mean you could be given the context. Are you comfortable making this argument to someone who's living in the most miserable and unsuitable conditions for child upbringing? Ezekiel said: Adoption makes no biological sense. Why would I sacrifice so much of my life for a child without passing on my genes? Adoption is mostly for the wealthy, since they don't have as much to lose. You're using certain language like "lose" but it is not at all apparent to me what do you gain by passing your genes. I've seen this argument before but nobody ever qualifies why is it something to be desired, and just act like it's self-explanatory. What is so cool about having a kid with some of your genetic makeup, as opposed to one without? |
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Auron_ said: I ask myself this question now that I'm closer to marriage/having a kid in my life.Ezekiel said: Adoption makes no biological sense. Why would I sacrifice so much of my life for a child without passing on my genes? Adoption is mostly for the wealthy, since they don't have as much to lose. You're using certain language like "lose" but it is not at all apparent to me what do you gain by passing your genes. I've seen this argument before but nobody ever qualifies why is it something to be desired, and just act like it's self-explanatory. What is so cool about having a kid with some of your genetic makeup, as opposed to one without? I think it's mostly a subjective answer, although we probably have a biological imperative to make children of our genome instead of taking care of someone elses. Just like how most of us have a biological imperative to engage in sexual behaviour, to fight or flight, etc. I have no idea how we can prove that imperative through research though. |
Tachii said: Auron_ said: I ask myself this question now that I'm closer to marriage/having a kid in my life.You're using certain language like "lose" but it is not at all apparent to me what do you gain by passing your genes. I've seen this argument before but nobody ever qualifies why is it something to be desired, and just act like it's self-explanatory. What is so cool about having a kid with some of your genetic makeup, as opposed to one without? I think it's mostly a subjective answer, although we probably have a biological imperative to make children of our genome instead of taking care of someone elses. Just like how most of us have a biological imperative to engage in sexual behaviour, to fight or flight, etc. I have no idea how we can prove that imperative through research though. Perhaps, but we have a biological imperative to do many things, not all of which are things we ought to be doing. Isn't the essence of moral progress to move beyond some of the primordial parts our psyche? Even the fact that you said someone else's seems to suggest an implicit bias, that parenthood is legitimized solely by blood relations. I do think that instinct exists but is not insurmountable, and I'm sure there are studies on adopted parenthood to support this as well. |
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