Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu 2nd Season Part 2 Episode 11 Discussion

Reijtaun said:


Most LN illustrations of the characters just look younger. Emilia and the whole cast arguably look a lot younger than their anime designs.

ViktorLocke said:
There are multiple Roswaal's. Holy crap, it would be great if the show would explain that...but it's probably going to wait 4 arcs to explain such an important reveal. Because...why not?

AlwaysHidden said:
Crazy how the "friend confession" scene between Subaru and Beatrice was 100x better than the cringefest that occurred between Subaru and Emilia after she finished her trial. Damn this season is a mess.

AlwaysHidden said:
Crazy how the "friend confession" scene between Subaru and Beatrice was 100x better than the cringefest that occurred between Subaru and Emilia after she finished her trial. Damn this season is a mess.

wfantasy said:


ngl I didn't like Subaru / Emilia confession scene at first when I read WN. However, when I thought back, I believe that makes most sense under that circumstance so I think Teppei is a genius in writing that part.

It was really under time pressure where Subaru had to make Emilia believe she is not alone, even with people lying sometimes still means people love her (Puck disappears, Fortuna said they will always be together, etc.) As Emilia was so emotional that she won't hear any logic, a kiss may be one of few choices that remains.

However, I still don't approve Emilia as a MFC (also one of few character I feel is weak in whole Re Zero), as Emilia is still very immature imo even after this season. She is always over protected and dependent on someone at least. You can see she became someone who is like Subaru a lot in recent episode. I agree that she does improve herself this season, but I'd like to see in Arc 10 or so her personality becomes more independent.

Murajsam5673 said:
Damn what an episode.
When Betty called Subaru multiple times at the end when they teleported away from mansion i FELT that man!
1 episode left just enough to clear the bunnies haha :D
hopefully season 3 comes earlier as I dont want to be waiting for another 4 years for continuation of this masterpiece, heck maybe we get season 3 announced at the end of next episode, fingers crossed :D

AlwaysHidden said:
Crazy how the "friend confession" scene between Subaru and Beatrice was 100x better than the cringefest that occurred between Subaru and Emilia after she finished her trial. Damn this season is a mess.

wfantasy said:


ngl I didn't like Subaru / Emilia confession scene at first when I read WN. However, when I thought back, I believe that makes most sense under that circumstance so I think Teppei is a genius in writing that part.

It was really under time pressure where Subaru had to make Emilia believe she is not alone, even with people lying sometimes still means people love her (Puck disappears, Fortuna said they will always be together, etc.) As Emilia was so emotional that she won't hear any logic, a kiss may be one of few choices that remains.

However, I still don't approve Emilia as a MFC (also one of few character I feel is weak in whole Re Zero), as Emilia is still very immature imo even after this season. She is always over protected and dependent on someone at least. You can see she became someone who is like Subaru a lot in recent episode. I agree that she does improve herself this season, but I'd like to see in Arc 10 or so her personality becomes more independent.

foxyahoo said:

She is immature because she was frozen since young age and when she go out she lived alone with Puck in the forest, so she is like that by plot and I mean she has literally fully acknowledged how she was so protected in the second trial and how she wants to be the one helping, not the one needing help.

It's already addressed.

She is pretty much independent at this point, but dealing with the great rabbit is not something that she can deal with just being independent.

DiceYJ said:

LegitChair142 said:
Something tells me that the Anime-Only are going to have their complaints. I feel it.

Virtua_Grapher said:
Definitely agree with what other people have said about the conversation between Bea and Subaru being a tad too long and repetitive. Would've preferred more fleshing out of Beatrice's memories, especially regarding the Roswaal clone.

But otherwise, this was a great episode that helps reestablish what makes Subaru such a great MC, which is his ability to draw out the strength in those around him. Also its great seeing a more commanding Emilia share the spotlight. I hope they continue that moving forward.

Levamme said:

well, you're right about that, since i feel like complaining



maybe its because the anime split abruptly into two cour. but all this talk with beatrice feels like it should be solved many episodes ago. since subaru already meet beatrice several times now.

and dunno how is it in LN, but i will just say it: i thought R** was annoying, but beatrice beat it by a miles

also is just me .

ViktorLocke said:
There are multiple Roswaal's. Holy crap, it would be great if the show would explain that...but it's probably going to wait 4 arcs to explain such an important reveal. Because...why not? I'm told Re: Zero is a mystery, but I'm also told it's a drama, character study, psychological, horror, so...I'm just going to go by my judgement: Re: Zero is not a mystery. It doesn't feel like one. But even actual mysteries like Higurashi don't drag on nearly as much, by keeping you in the dark for so unnecessarily long. Yes, the Higurashi visual novel is absurdly long; which is why I found it very boring, and much prefer the anime.

I've had lots of gripes with the monologuing because of how unnatural and unnecessary they felt, but given what was going on here with Subaru and Beatrice, it felt like it made sense; in that the monologuing served as a way to convince Beatrice to get up. And it didn't drag on nearly as much as Rem's monologue to Subaru in season 1 episode 18.
However, it is episodes like this of Re: Zero that make me feel frustrated; this series constantly throws these big dramatic/emotional scenes...for characters the show hasn't bothered to get me to care about.
I mean, think about it; what reason is there to care about Beatrice? She's a quirky, one dimensional, tsundere-esque loli. She doesn't feel like a real person whatsoever; she feels like an anime character. And not even an interesting one, imo.
Re: Zero wants you to take it very seriously; it constantly throws in all this gore, stakes, and dramatic moments, but doesn't bother to give me an incentive to care enough about these characters to emotionally care for them.
While I don't really like Subaru as a character, I found him interesting enough because of his development to be invested in his emotional scenes where he's the center focus. And the Frozen Bonds movie got me to finally care about Emilia (who feels like the most human, natural, character in the show, which is ironic when she's not human).



Isn't Beatrice a spirit, which makes her immortal?

min931 said:


As LN reader you cant understand anything in this anime. How sad

Gab5 said:

I just don't find myself loving Emilia, she's ridiculously naive, doesn't appreciate Subaru as much as she should, the way he brings people together and keeps fighting, despite not being that strong, is totally awesome. She doesn't understand her feelings for him? He comes to her aid all the time, she would be nowhere without him.
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Gab5 said:
Very clever comment from you, that says nothing, but my comment still stands.

QcDiablo said:

You comment doesn't stand.

Emilia is 110% clueless when it comes to romantic love.
Of her 100+ years alive, she spent about 14 years actually conscious. 7 in an overprotective environment, and another 7 where she learned mostly about politics and stuff like that so she could have a chance in the royal selection. Let's not forget that, thanks to Pandora, she forgot her first 7 years, the only time she was able to see people in a romantic relationship and learn about such relations. She can express herself fine except when it comes to romantic love. To me, it's only natural that she's so naive and clueless about love and it's the reason why her development from this season onward is so pleasing and wholesome.

When Subaru tells her he loves her, she doesn't understand at all. First, for the reasons above, and second, because she's so self conscious that she doesn't understand why anyone would appreciate a selfish and filthy being like her (that's what she thinks of herself, because she's an half elf). From the very start of the series, Emilia felt like she had something to repay to Subaru because of everything he does for her; She didn't think about love, at all, but instead searched for ways to repay him because of her selfless nature. She does appreciate him a lot and would be very sad if he were to die, but she doesn't understand and cannot reciprocate his love toward her just yet.

Rem loves Subaru romantically, true. But Beatrice doesn't and Subaru only sees Petra like a little sister. His only two actual love interests so far are Emilia and Rem, and it was said explicitely.

higan15 said:


Emilia is also not my favorite, but she expresses her feelings in her own way. Puck even said a few times that she was not honest with her own feelings. This is mainly because of her past, she basically doesn’t trust anyone but puck and knows that everyone fears and hates her, so when a boy appears randomly, treating her differently from everyone, praising her, wanting to have a relationship with her, it’s not difficult to understand why she is “protecting herself” and most of all protecting Subaru. She tried to push him away intentionally because she knew how much trouble and suffering she could bring to him, although it is quite clear that she cares deeply about him.

Depending on how they adapt the next episode, will be very clear how much those 2 kisses meant to her, for us it may have been just a kiss, but for Emilia, kissing means a lot more.

A minor spoiler about the kiss if you are interested:

Gab5 said:

It isn't just the romantic stuff, I just think that others look at Subaru and appreciate him more. Whether she understands romance or not, I don't think she even looks at him properly

Gab5 said:

She seems to express herself fine with Puck and other characters. She verbally expresses her feelings with no problem at all.

I will give her the moment when she gave him the lap pillow, but, as we all know, she didn't really understand what it meant.

In series 1, the episode where Julius beat Subaru within an inch of his life, I thought that she wasn't totally fair to him, and he wasn't fair to her to her either.

But, at this stage, Rem, Betty, and even Petra, love him just as much.

Petra, Rem and Betty have tragic pasts and don't have much love experience, either.

Their relationship seems too one sided at the moment and she's lucky that she is the one he loves and he is prepared to wait for her to catch up. Which doesn't matter, because he loves her. But I think that is part of the reason that Echidna hates her, Subaru loves her without her having to do too much in return. It is another kind of love but Subaru has many others who love him just as much at this point.

higan15 said:


This is completely right, Emilia wasn't looking at Subaru properly. But if you notice, when they were arguing inside the cemetery ("A reason to believe"), while we could clearly see Emilia's reflex in Subaru's eyes the whole time, her eyes were "blank" until the very end, when we can finally see her eyes changing and Subaru being reflected is her eyes. I see this as a "turning point" where Emilia finally starts trusting Subaru and looking at him properly.

ViktorLocke said:


Could you please tell me where?



Re: Zero is one of those anime where a lot of important plot points happen, over the course of multiple episodes. If we weren't watching it weekly, I would be able to remember probably everything. I confess, I'm not the most invested, thus, I'm probably missing several important stuff.
However, the stuff I DO manage to understand, like the terrible monologues, boring characters, some of the lack of logic (ie nobody ever questioning why Subaru knows the thing he does, such as how he's the only one who knows about Ram) I can criticize.



I don't think an anime can be a mystery, drama, psychological, horror, character study, fantasy, all at the same time. When almost none of those genres are emphasized enough.



That 91% are entirely the people who came on this discussion poll. Less than 2,000 people voted on the poll for this episode. But we all know that the number of people watching Re: Zero are FAR higher than 2,000. So using the MAL poll as a representation, is not accurate.



Why are you being so passive aggressive? I'm not attacking you or the show. You're not the creator of Re: Zero, either. There is literally no logical reason for you to be so upset about someone's opinion.



A) That's the whole point of a forum discussion; to talk about your thoughts of an episode. Whether it be positive or negative. If everyone constantly agrees 100%, then it's not an interesting discussion, imo: it's an echo chamber.

B) I explained multiple times my issues with the characters and the show. In my original post here, I explicitly explained my issue with the characters, specifically Beatrice. You would understand, if you fully read my original post.

rakp333 said:


Writing this long explanation tired me, but I am hoping all this clears up your misgivings:-



At this point, Puck is the one she has spent most of her life with, and therefore, is the person she is most comfortable expressing herself. But her relationship with Puck is like that of a father-daughter.

However, it took a great deal of time & struggle for them to build that kind of relationship. You'll understand if you watch the Frozen Bond OVA.



People overlook a detail revealed in Season 1, Episode 11. Check the scene where Emilia was unconscious next to Subaru's bed, and he wakes up with his body healed. Puck explains that Emilia had poured down her own Od (or life energy) to save Subaru when the dog beasts attacked him. Subaru doesn't know what this means, but Emilia does. In essence, it means she transferred her own life to Subaru to keep him alive, and therefore, she likely will die much sooner in the story's future.




I'd say she was pretty reasonable in her treatment. Perhaps part of it was her insecurities coming through, but she:

• Reprimanded Subaru for his mistakes, which was critical for his character development.
  
• Arranged for the finest healer in the country (Felix) to heal Subaru's damaged body and gate after Julius beat him.
  
• Arranged for all the hospitality to ensure Subaru's comfortable stay by striking a deal with the Crusch household. Please note that Crusch is her rival for the throne, so Emilia was willing to jeopardize her political standing & reputation just to secure Subaru a luxurious life.
  
• Distanced herself from Subaru to keep him safe and away from harm.
  

She did all this even though Subaru was at fault for fighting Julius and causing drama in the throne room, and his rash actions humiliated Emilia.

• Even Betty doesn't express it, though. Betty is now a contracted spirit of Subaru. And Betty's relationship with Subaru is like that of a brother & sister.
  
  
• Petra's is just a childish crush. Please don't take it seriously as it is not something significant.
  
  
• Rem is no longer in the picture as she is in a comatose state. Besides, Rem's love is unhealthy for both Subaru & Rem because it parallels Subaru's unhealthy infatuation with Emilia in Season 1 before his development. Rem loves Subaru's idealization as the 'hero,' which prompted Subaru downhill in Season 2 part 1 as he develops the martyr complex in struggles to be a 'hero.'
  

It is incorrect to compare different people as everyone has different experiences, and traumas manifest differently.

But even so:

• Betty is a spirit. She doesn't grow like ordinary people. And she is pretty smart given her birth circumstances & possesses an incredible amount of knowledge as the Library's guardian.
  
• Petra and Rem have had a pretty stable upbringing with a good education in the Margrave estate. Roswaal and Frederica especially made sure that Rem & Ram got excellent tutoring for ten years.
  

Whereas Emilia—after waking up being frozen inside ice for hundred years—struggled even for food & basic survival in the dead wilderness of Elior Forest, with only Puck to accompany her. She was shunned and despised by all people in the nearby villages. Her traumas & insecurities concerning 'love' & 'trust' get further torched due to being hated by the world as the 'witch.'


At least someone loves her, and she deserves it. She has been pretty unlucky most of her life, and crisis follows her wherever she goes. You could see it as Emilia getting rewarded for her kindness & selflessness, despite all the cruel ways the world treats her. And these qualities speak reasons why Subaru loves her, if you pay attention to his confession.

Emilia's physical characteristics kindled Subaru's initial infatuation with her, as her beauty enthralled him in the first episode. But progressively, it strengthen further as he learned more about Emilia's nature, and he asserted his love for her after the lap pillow moment in Season 1. His passion paved unhealthy ways in the middle of Season 1, as he projected his otaku 'protagonist' & toxic expectation onto Emilia and treated her like a 'waifu'. But through his subsequent developments, he learned to treat, understand, and love her like a normal girl—something he ascertained during his confession in Reason to believe.

It is the same for Emilia, too. As I mentioned earlier, their relationship is pretty much two-sided, and it further blossomed after their argument leading up to that kiss in the graveyard. I don't want to spoil everything, but future episodes & seasons will clarify Emilia's affection & feelings for Subaru. The author has been organically building up their relationship right from the first episode, and it is one of the best aspects of the show. The ups & downs, developments, and themes associated with their relationship are testimony of exemplary writing.

Besides, the author declared on multiple occasions that the plot of Re:Zero—even though usually narrated from Subaru's pov—is constructed around Emilia and her struggles in pursuit of the royal throne. Emilia is a centralized figure in ReZero's overarching narrative (royal selection, witch-cult) and mysteries (Satella, Dragon, Pandora, Seal, etc.). Consequently, if Subaru didn't love Emilia or tried to help her, then the story would end.

rafi1212122 said:
still wondering how they gonna deal with the bunny

ViktorLocke said:


Could you please tell me where?



Re: Zero is one of those anime where a lot of important plot points happen, over the course of multiple episodes. If we weren't watching it weekly, I would be able to remember probably everything. I confess, I'm not the most invested, thus, I'm probably missing several important stuff.
However, the stuff I DO manage to understand, like the terrible monologues, boring characters, some of the lack of logic (ie nobody ever questioning why Subaru knows the thing he does, such as how he's the only one who knows about Ram) I can criticize.



I don't think an anime can be a mystery, drama, psychological, horror, character study, fantasy, all at the same time. When almost none of those genres are emphasized enough.



That 91% are entirely the people who came on this discussion poll. Less than 2,000 people voted on the poll for this episode. But we all know that the number of people watching Re: Zero are FAR higher than 2,000. So using the MAL poll as a representation, is not accurate.



Why are you being so passive aggressive? I'm not attacking you or the show. You're not the creator of Re: Zero, either. There is literally no logical reason for you to be so upset about someone's opinion.



A) That's the whole point of a forum discussion; to talk about your thoughts of an episode. Whether it be positive or negative. If everyone constantly agrees 100%, then it's not an interesting discussion, imo: it's an echo chamber.

B) I explained multiple times my issues with the characters and the show. In my original post here, I explicitly explained my issue with the characters, specifically Beatrice. You would understand, if you fully read my original post.