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| I wonder what that girl Frill means at the end. Does someone have to die in place of the girl who got resurrected? Did she even come back? I guess we shall see in the next episode but I'm a little confused about what "clearing the game" actually does. |
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| wtf? So, was Momoe's dream fulfilled or not? What happened to her statue-friend? Is Momoe going to kill herself now, I wonder? WHY AREN'T GIRLS ASKING IMPORTANT QUESTIONS?! |
| By the end was Momoe saying "I can't sleep" or "I mustn't sleep"? |
| Well, this episode was indeed very good, but i would be lying if i said i wasnt worried. First the animation was still great as usual, not as good as some of the episodes before, but still quite incredible. Second, Momoe is a great character, i just like her personality and you can very much feel her struggles (and it was pretty cute seeing her finally happy that someone was interested in her). The last scene was uhmmmm pretty good but man did they escalated things way to god dam quick. It was honestly terrying, in a very good way, the "monster" design was great and i hated seeing Pain dying, and thats exacly what the team wanted so good for them. The thing is tho, im really not happy about the fact that the main villain might be a god (wouldnt surprise me if it was the teacher in disguise). The problem with a god villain is that there is a certain probability that the show will say that most if not all the suicides in the world are caused by him, when it should obviously be because most people dont want to suffer so they try to "find" a way out through suiciding (just human nature in general). If the anime actually goes this route there is a 99% chance that it will fail in doing it in a satisfying way. I will still probably like the show a lot but i would be very much disappointed. |
| Holy shit, this has gone super dark, I don't even want to imagine the trauma that Momoe has now. F Panic |
| I didn't think about it before, but someone posted on reddit that the emergence of a trans boy in a world that formally only contains female persons is rather strange when you think about it. |
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RobertBobert said: I didn't think about it before, but someone posted on reddit that the emergence of a trans boy in a world that formally only contains female persons is rather strange when you think about it. Yeah it was a very controversial choice. They should have had a trans girl this episode, not a trans boy |
| Damn this episode started really cute but that cuteness was nothing when compared to darkness of the ending. I really liked that boy and Momoe's relationship, they were really cute. Momoe was adorable when she blushed. |
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Xenocrisi said: RobertBobert said: I didn't think about it before, but someone posted on reddit that the emergence of a trans boy in a world that formally only contains female persons is rather strange when you think about it. Yeah it was a very controversial choice. They should have had a trans girl this episode, not a trans boy This is further proof of why I didn't like that this show has an overly stict all-female cast. Because of this, they constantly stumble on level ground. At the same time, it seems that they needed a male character and I am interested in the need for which accents this was caused. |
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| So it's pretty safe now to assume that the Wonder Egg mission what leads girls to suicide, or what? For example, the girls that our main characters are trying to resurrect via the Wonder Egg mission rn. |
LezetMar 16, 2021 11:43 AM
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eastsip said: Well, I also think it makes sense, that's why I suggested it :v It's still only a possible interpretation of what has happened so far.Kosmonaut said: Eros, both as a god and as a word for love, is more closely tied to 'the love one feels for one's partner' (romantic or desire) than just the general concept of love. However, I don't think this is necessarily what the writers are going for. There's also the Freudian notion of the Eros as a life instinct (procreation, survival, cooperation, bonding, pleasure) and Thanatos as the death instinct (violence, destructive behavior, trauma, self-harm, suicide). All instinct, according to Freud, are either Eros or Thanatos. These are probably what the writers hope to explore. I googled this Freud stuff you talked about and omg it would make so much sense. Maybe it isn't but it makes sense. I mean, to me, by pitting Eros and Thanatos against one another, it's abiding exactly by the life instinct and the death instinct theory. It would explain, also, the 'allure of death' the Accas talk about, since the wish for death (akin to the id), in this freudian theory, is present in every person, however Eros (born from the ego) is a force that balances out our death instincts and keeps them at bay. Thanatos directed towards the Other breeds violence, hatred. Thanatos directed towards the Self breeds self-harm, self-hatred, trauma lingering and other destructive behaviors. So, in a sense, Thanatos (not the god) is the cause of the eggs' suicide and the 4 girls, fighting, bonding, living, wanting to keep moving forward, are under the influence of Eros. Eros, what keeps Thanatos, the wish for death, at bay. When Momoe is confronted with the death instinct, trauma, she breaks, because the life instinct she had been nurturing isn't effective anymore. The 'allure' of Thanatos could take her away, as the Accas said, and only Eros could bring her back. Kind of a psychic death. The possibility for death of the old self and rebirth anew, for coming out of one's - egg - shell as a full-fledged and balanced person. I think it's a pretty solid theory or - if nothing is made sure by the end - a good interpretation. It's kind of 'the power of love/friendship against death/hate' but with a psychoanalytic dressing, but we don't know what they're going to do with it yet. There are only two episodes left, time is running out for any resolution. |
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| Momoe got asked out by a boy, but unfortunately, the boy mistaken Momoe as a male, then she met Kaoru in her dream. I felt really bad for Kaoru. At the end of the episode Momoe just witnessed Panic being eaten, and had to eat him. Overall, this episode was great and I'm looking forward to the next episode. |
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RobertBobert said: Xenocrisi said: Yeah it was a very controversial choice. They should have had a trans girl this episode, not a trans boy This is further proof of why I didn't like that this show has an overly stict all-female cast. Because of this, they constantly stumble on level ground. At the same time, it seems that they needed a male character and I am interested in the need for which accents this was caused. You know, some times this show does the opposite of what it’s trying to preach about. First, they had a talk about not judging any gender, and then have a misogynistic line. Now, they try to stand for trans’ rights, and then have a trans boy in the dream world where only girls are supposed to be there. I don’t know if it’s just bad writing or something else |
XenocrisiMar 16, 2021 11:44 AM
| this episode elevated the show into "clusterfuck" status ngl. wtf was that ending???? |
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Xenocrisi said: RobertBobert said: This is further proof of why I didn't like that this show has an overly stict all-female cast. Because of this, they constantly stumble on level ground. At the same time, it seems that they needed a male character and I am interested in the need for which accents this was caused. You know, some times this show does the opposite of what it’s trying to preach about. First, they had a talk about not judging any gender, and then have a misogynistic line. Now, they try to stand for trans’ rights, and then have a trans boy in the dream world where only girls are supposed to be there. I don’t know if it’s just bad writing or something else I think the author just has too little experience writing shows with a CGDCT framework. He knows how to write drama, how to raise social issues, but the limitations of cute girls confuse him. |
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| A kiss between 2 girls? hot.. but whats more hotter? a butterfly heard highschool girl eating a crocodile.. but seriously.. i kinda feel bad for Kaouru.. the fact that they showed actual assault on her... damn.. |
TrueDes said: RobertBobert said: So, is Momoe canonically straight or at least bi? Or are the authors again giving more questions than answers? @KANLen09 Well, I would say that she looks more like a childhood friend of "one of the boys" type, as if it were your typical romcom. Momoe is definitely straight, she has no attraction to the same sex. In this episode we see her in love with a boy, and reinforcing how she doesn't want to date other other girls, because she has 0 attraction to them. I think the far more interesting thing is, when Momoe rips open her shirt, and we see the trans colors on her chest, hidden away, unlike the boy she was saving in the episode, who wore them loud and proud. So what i am thinking Momoe could also be trans, being born a male, but hides the fact that they are trans, because they are not fully comfortable with sharing that yet, and if this is true, I hope we don't get the reveal that they are trans, that doesn't really matter because at the end of the day, they are a girl, and the symbolism is more then enough to get the messaging through, and the ambiguity is something I really like. Although that isn't to say i am against it being stated, just i really like how it was handled this episode personally. Well, if you wish, the fact that the guy handed her his jacket can also be interpreted as a kind of sign. Speculative, but on the basis of studying content, why not? |
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| What the hell happened on the end of the episode? |
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| Momoe probably is saying she 'can't sleep' at the end of the episode because she's too afraid of dreaming. eastsip said: I agree with you. At times, it's just an overload of ideas that, as I said in my first post, just seem like a brainstorming meeting that wasn't reined in by the lead writer. The worst is that they just leave some ideas at that, just stating them and dropping it afterwards. Sometimes, trying to pull off symbolism and metaphors at every turn isn't the best choice. Let the plot and the characters breathe.Kosmonaut said: Well, I also think it makes sense, that's why I suggested it :v It's still only a possible interpretation of what has happened so far. I mean, to me, by pitting Eros and Thanatos against one another, it's abiding exactly by the life instinct and the death instinct theory. It would explain, also, the 'allure of death' the Accas talk about, since the wish for death (akin to the id), in this freudian theory, is present in every person, however Eros (born from the ego) is a force that balances out our death instincts and keeps them at bay. Thanatos directed towards the Other breeds violence, hatred. Thanatos directed towards the Self breeds self-harm, self-hatred, trauma lingering and other destructive behaviors. So, in a sense, Thanatos (not the god) is the cause of the eggs' suicide and the 4 girls, fighting, bonding, living, wanting to keep moving forward, are under the influence of Eros. Eros, what keeps Thanatos, the wish for death, at bay. When Momoe is confronted with the death instinct, trauma, she breaks, because the life instinct she had been nurturing isn't effective anymore. The 'allure' of Thanatos could take her away, as the Accas said, and only Eros could bring her back. Kind of a psychic death. The possibility for death of the old self and rebirth anew, for coming out of one's - egg - shell as a full-fledged and balanced person. I think it's a pretty solid theory or - if nothing is made sure by the end - a good interpretation. It's kind of 'the power of love/friendship against death/hate' but with a psychoanalytic dressing, but we don't know what they're going to do with it yet. There are only two episodes left, time is running out for any resolution. Yeah I like it and thanks for telling me about it, but I don't trust the show. IDK the writing is a mess. I am going to keep expectations low ig. |
KosmonautMar 16, 2021 12:15 PM
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| Love this episode! Only 2 left! And the next one will be pure fireeeeee Finally the ai - koito - teacher arc is to be unveiled Momoe arc is finished, her identity/sexuality doubts are quite finished in a satisfactory way, her friend is “alive”, and that will lead to the linked final arc from the link it have with Accas and Thanatos/Eros and that is linked with Neiru’s friend Kotobuki that is linked with Paralel dimensions and death (maybe Momoe’s friend is revived in another paralel reality or something that disrupts multiverses??) and that is linked with Neiru’s “Mother secretary” and their company with the Plati group and the Accas being former workers of it. everything is quite connected and that makes a satisfying plot story! Rika is the one left aside in the plot connections maybe, but her rage and her hints of being angry with the suicide girls proyect could be something to look out for the disruption of all the main girls decisions/fate. Poor Momoe! Hope she be fine tho, love the gender and sexuality stuff to be further explored in a sober and respectful way! It reminds me a little to Kanji’s plot from Persona 4. Ai and the teacher thread is cool, the Teacher don’t seem to me like a grooming case, i think he was quite calm and a mentor to Ai and Koito and never wanted them to be infatuated with him but adolescent power came in! Jajaj Love the animal/pokemon paralelism , vegan vibes on? Or maybe the fatality of all the flesh soon to be rotten. Don’t know if the Butterfly girl was Thanatos itself or a minor worker? The butterfly is quite important to japan culture, Digimon opening Butterfly writer created the lyrics inspired by an ancient novelist (don’t remember his name) and it contains the symbolism of the butterfly as both dreams and death, WEP rings a bell? Either way the themes revolves around death/dreams/reality(ies). Finally, who is Frill? The butterfly girl or thanatos have a strong connection! So it will be the girl’s final boss maybe? Could Frill be Neiru’s secretary and the Accas being minor worker of Frill/her??? This final paragraph is a mess but i am dying to know !! Love this serie so much!!! It never disappoints, hope they will give a masterful close to it. |
UkRs said: A kiss between 2 girls? hot.. but whats more hotter? a butterfly heard highschool girl eating a crocodile.. but seriously.. i kinda feel bad for Kaouru.. the fact that they showed actual assault on her... damn.. not 2 girls since ep 8 was an unplanned recap surely we have 3 episodes left, not 2, i hope they dont squish in the rest with 2 eps, though 3 isnt much better.. |
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| The episode had a disturbing end, but it was still great^^ |
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| HOLY SHIT the Sakuga Community helped with the animation of this episode https://twitter.com/Bloodyredstar/status/1371862597155307520 the Sakuga Community has been hyping up this anime for months before release and now they are part of the staff too wtf lol |
schwinging said: UkRs said: A kiss between 2 girls? hot.. but whats more hotter? a butterfly heard highschool girl eating a crocodile.. but seriously.. i kinda feel bad for Kaouru.. the fact that they showed actual assault on her... damn.. not 2 girls ah! don't mind me.. i'm just going with biologically counterpart and also since there can't be any boy in the ghost world.. |
UkRsMar 16, 2021 12:40 PM
| What an episode , imagine someone else forcing down the meat of your fellow companion down the throat. Interesting to see how the last two episodes turn out. |
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| I liked this episode a lot lol. Really good character focus on Momoe. The ending is looking a lot Madoka Magica-esque too. This might be really fun to see to the end. |
| So it would seem there is some kind of war between Thanatos and Eros (we don't know if these would be actual people or just concepts), where Thanatos would play the 'Death' part obviously. Our girls would be on Eros' side. Now, what are Ura-acca and Acca planning...? It looks like they were expecting Momoe to behave in some way in particular but the death of her 'pet' made her act unexpectedly. It looks like the Wonder Egg cycle might help these girls get over their trauma by helping other people's trauma, but at the end of the road they will still need to fight their own issues. I am betting Ai-chan will be the first one to complete the cycle AND ALSO get over her own trauma, but for that we need her trauma-related plot to unthread in the following episodes to understand what has really happened. And the big question remains unanswered... is Sawaki-sensei a good guy or a bad guy? Place your bets! As a side note. I loved the trans character and how the interaction happened. |
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| Amazing episode. It was freaking sad and the animation was beautiful like always. Reminds me of Violet Evergarden. |
| "he has it big as a cactus but he won't let go of my head and I puke on his cock bitch" - Boy by Fishball |
| Uh....ok. This episode focused on Momoe and cleared up the whole “Is she trans” thing by having her save one and declare that she is a girl. The girl that she wanted to save got revived for 5 seconds before disappearing again. Hopefully they explain what that was all about more. When Momoe encountered that thing in her egg-dream why didn’t she call Panic back before it was killed? Why did she sit down and watch it happen instead of running? Why did she let the thing feed her Panic? The Acca’s were humans I guess, so it looks like the girls overhearing them was their plan. There apparantly is some endgame they are planning where the girls fight some being. Not sure how they are going to explain and set it up in 2 episodes to give a good conclusion. I don’t know why Ai didn’t tell her mom she was going to her teacher’s art show. Maybe it was to be alone with him and ask him about her friend, but surely there are better times. If she was suspicious of him, why would she ask him about it at night, in a dark art gallery, and without telling anyone where she was going? |
UkRs said: ah! don't mind me.. i'm just going with biologically counterpart and also since there can't be any boy in the ghost world.. This comment doesn’t sit right with me |
| Momoe this episode got the short straw. What horrible person sounds like the guy who asked Momoe out. "Look horrified" what a rude SOB. Momoe dodged a bullet. What a horrifying backstory to Kaoru. What a horrible security of the boardinghouse, as always. And then lost her pet, to whatever that thing was. The teacher looks a little too obsessive. I like how the Accas played cool, when they got discovered, and let they ask questions.And showing they are more a "You didn't asked" type of person |
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Xenocrisi said: RobertBobert said: This is further proof of why I didn't like that this show has an overly stict all-female cast. Because of this, they constantly stumble on level ground. At the same time, it seems that they needed a male character and I am interested in the need for which accents this was caused. You know, some times this show does the opposite of what it’s trying to preach about. First, they had a talk about not judging any gender, and then have a misogynistic line. Now, they try to stand for trans’ rights, and then have a trans boy in the dream world where only girls are supposed to be there. I don’t know if it’s just bad writing or something else YES, i saw it coming in the episode where Momoe is introduced (4) and the Accas talk about of being a “only-girls” space, but we now know they are made to be mistrust. They show other trans character in ep 4, well, its hinted the girl’s trauma being an old monster that only allows girls in her space to be a transphobic trauma, so that girl from ep 4 could be a trans girl. But that’s the deep end of a lot of gender woke series (anime and everything else rn) it all comes to the essentialist biological mindset. The boy in this episode is a trans boy but even being a “boy at heart” he have a girl body, and thats reaaally lame, transphobic and colonialist view but i am fed up, all this writers always come to that, anime have that problem FOR SURE, and supporting that biology binarism will make nothing but harm to LGBTQIA+ folks, even cisgender and all “humanity” . And Momoe tear her clothes off and says “I AM A GIRL” as in “i am a “”biological cisgender girl”” you can see my “”bio breasts”” right here!”. BUT, On the other hand, it is not concrete stated, Momoe tearing her clothes could be as an action of, rage?bravery? And only that? The Accas could lie too, so all the mild TERF content its not that so, fortunately, all the supposed red line cautions are at the edge of being that so, and even the discussions it can make to have are wonderful problematics to put in the table. And having one trans girl, one trans boy and a lot of focus on gender identity without going the shitty way directly, is to be respected. I could be wrong! Lets see how all this accas and the only bio-girls suicide dream plot ends. I have not any hope on it so i am seeing this with a lot of escepticism. |
| Oh god what an emotional episode, I feel bad for Momo :( |
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| Rip sad with Panic dying and his guts being ripped out and being eaten |
deg said: That's literally my theory i would write here right now, what i'm curious about is what profit Neiru's company expect on all this.Thanatos is the god of nonviolent deaths like suicide (this might be the final enemy) Eros is the god of love so love will save suicidal girls is my obvious guess Acca and Ura-Acca maybe planning to kill Thanatos to become immortal? since Thanatos maybe is the god of natural death too  |
| 10/10 episode, I am fucking traumatised. The wait for next episode is gonna be hard. |
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UkRs said: ah! don't mind me.. i'm just going with biologically counterpart and also since there can't be any boy in the ghost world.. Ehhhhh sure, if biological, but the more I think about it the more I believe Momoe to be a trans girl. So either Kaoru or Momoe should not be here. I'm hoping that, the case is more that it is possible for men to be in that space. At least, as an egg/suicide victim. That the eggs are mostly women because they most often have "emotion-orientated" suicides, as the Accas put it. Even if Kaoru is a boy, his suicide was obviously "emotion-orientated". (?) That's my dumb hope anyway.. |
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