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Sep 2, 2018 5:36 AM
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As you can see in the title the Manga: Tales of demons and Gods is not listed on MAL.
Even though the anime is on here...
Sep 2, 2018 5:38 AM
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Suggested many times before.
Denied many times before.
Next please.
Sep 4, 2018 7:08 PM
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If it doesn't have an official physical release (which includes release in a manga magazine), it doesn't get to be in the site. I assume this doesn't.
Dec 23, 2018 12:38 PM
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2 years after it still isn't on MAL... Currently reading, think is pretty dope
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Yeah why?
May 23, 2020 4:10 PM
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juandmarco said:
If it doesn't have an official physical release (which includes release in a manga magazine), it doesn't get to be in the site. I assume this doesn't.


Sorry to respond after many years.

There is now a physical version (licenced by Nazca Editions in France), so do you think we can re-suggest this very good Manga to be listed on mal ?
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Ooggle said:
juandmarco said:
If it doesn't have an official physical release (which includes release in a manga magazine), it doesn't get to be in the site. I assume this doesn't.


Sorry to respond after many years.

There is now a physical version now (licenced by Nazca Editions in France), so do you think we can re-suggest this very good Manga to be listed on mal ?


Is that physical release available on the original country or only in France?
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juandmarco said:
Ooggle said:


Sorry to respond after many years.

There is now a physical version now (licenced by Nazca Editions in France), so do you think we can re-suggest this very good Manga to be listed on mal ?


Is that physical release available on the original country or only in France?


No, there is no physical release in China who is the original country. I don't know if it can be added to the database therefore.

You can see some of the releases at the official Twitter account of Nazca Editions : https://twitter.com/nazcaeditions
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Ooggle said:


No, there is no physical release in China who is the original country. I don't know if it can be added to the database therefore.

You can see some of the releases at the official Twitter account of Nazca Editions : https://twitter.com/nazcaeditions


I see. If the physical release is not available in the original country, it still doesn't get in.

I recommend you to use Baka-Updates for stuff that isn't on MAL. The only thing stopping a series from getting approved if it is porn and there's no translation. It also allows stuff from more regions of Asia. lol
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juandmarco said:
Ooggle said:


No, there is no physical release in China who is the original country. I don't know if it can be added to the database therefore.

You can see some of the releases at the official Twitter account of Nazca Editions : https://twitter.com/nazcaeditions


I see. If the physical release is not available in the original country, it still doesn't get in.

I recommend you to use Baka-Updates for stuff that isn't on MAL. The only thing stopping a series from getting approved if it is porn and there's no translation. It also allows stuff from more regions of Asia. lol


I understand, of course thanks for Baka-Updates, i'll check it :D
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juandmarco said:
If it doesn't have an official physical release (which includes release in a manga magazine), it doesn't get to be in the site. I assume this doesn't.
It can still counts as doujin right?
Mar 4, 2021 11:53 AM
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Yeahh please add Yao Shen Ji or Tale of Demons and Gods to MAL..
Mar 8, 2021 4:00 PM
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Nearly 300,000,000 reads on mangakalot and still not on MAL? Doesn't make much sense to me.
May 11, 2021 6:39 PM
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It is really good manhua
And there are a lot of good manhwa and manhua that have no physical release
MAl should make a new list and name it weebtoon
May 14, 2021 6:58 AM

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FaiZhang said:
Nearly 300,000,000 reads on mangakalot and still not on MAL? Doesn't make much sense to me.

Number of reads is irelevant, what matters is whether it got released physically or not. This isn''t a webcomic database, webcomics are added only if they got released as regular comics too.
You all need to watch Nami.

May 18, 2021 11:10 PM
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Yaoshenji, or Tales of Demons and Gods
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FaiZhang said:
Nearly 300,000,000 reads on mangakalot and still not on MAL? Doesn't make much sense to me.

It doesn't matter how many people read this manhua on an illegal website.
May 31, 2021 3:55 AM

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Hello everyone,

I'm quite surprised since a year that this manga isn't in the myanimelist database.

If the problem is currently if the manga was released or not, it is currently edited in France under Nazca Editions and available throughout the country in different libraries and eCommerce website such as Amazon and other popular eCommerce website available in France.

Can we also consider that the anime Yaoshenji characters database is currently using the manga drawings to display characters pictures?

Edit : Corrected typo
Jul 11, 2021 5:00 PM
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MAL currently stores manhua, but unfortunately not Tales of Demons & Gods.

The current rules (noted in earlier posts in this thread) prevent such manhua from being listed - this degrades user experience (e.g. compare its rating/user-count against other Manhua on the site). This was initially something that I did not expect when I tried searching for this manhua on MAL (i.e. I was at first confused why the manhua entry was missing until I read this forum thread to see why).

As a user of MAL for anime + manga, I believe it would benefit us users if MAL can revisit/update/change the rules for adding new Manhua entries. Thank you in advance for considering.
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As you can see in the title the Manga: Tales of demons and Gods is not listed on MAL.
Even though the anime is on here...
Aug 21, 2021 6:51 PM
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As you can see in the title the Manga: Tales of demons and Gods is not listed on MAL.
Even though the anime is on here...
Aug 22, 2021 10:33 PM

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Alanski said:
this degrades user experience
It doesn't, because this isn't a database for webtoons. If you want that, use M-U.
You all need to watch Nami.

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Well we can use baka-updates / manga-updates site for this type of manga/manhua/manhwa s.
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abystoma2 said:
Alanski said:
this degrades user experience
It doesn't, because this isn't a database for webtoons. If you want that, use M-U.


Whether it degrades user experience or not heavily depends on the actual application & the users using it (for users who agree with prefers one feature, there will be another who doesn't, for user experience we can think about: significantly satisfying a larger amount of users but not greatly dissatisfying the rest too much). One can estimate this based on acquiring user feedback. What user experience does not directly depend on is on the intent of the application/developer. One idea is to extend MAL to include WebToons.

There is a user poll in https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1748348 showing a preference of one sample of MAL users whether they prefer MAL to include WebToons or not. As of now, 572 yes (>90%), 37 no and 18 no preference.

If a large majority of current users (and future users) want a certain feature on an application, even if the application isn't originally intended by the developer to have that feature, having that feature would in more cases than not improve the average user experience. This choice of whether to optimize user experience is often balanced with profit, future user popularity, competition, cost of making the feature and other developer/owner interests etc (e.g. if a developer is not passionate about that feature, and wants to make something else, since user experience isn't the only factor the developer or owner wants to consider).

If I made "Phone X" and not allowed people to play games on it, I could say "this is not a phone for games", but if allowing games on that phone would satisfy twice as many users in my current user base and double the sales for "phone X" in the following year compared to not doing it, then making that update can help improve the average (not everyone's, can't satisfy everyone) user experience, even if it pivoted from the original design/purpose.
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@Alanski You could make the same exact argument for MAL to start including western cartoons or parody doujinshi.

Also, unlike regular manga, literally anyone can make a webtoon. I could throw in together some stick figures in MsPaint and it's a webtoon.

Also, 500 users are not even nearly enough to get a relevant sample of the MAL userbase option.
abystoma2Aug 27, 2021 1:29 PM
You all need to watch Nami.

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abystoma2 said:
@Alanski You could make the same exact argument for MAL to start including western cartoons or parody doujinshi.


Exactly, even the exact same argument (for the sake of argument) for a magical button that would cure all diseases if a user clicks on it, even if irrelevant to an application.

This depends on the current MAL userbase and how much it'd improve their user experience, weighed against the owner/stakeholder/developer's own interests/passions/etc on that feature (e.g. development costs).

I don't know if the majority of the current MAL userbase wants or doesn't want to include Western Cartoons, but maybe they do (and exactly what proportion e.g. 90% or just 55%), and how much it'd degrade the minority (would the bottom 5% most dissatisfied, be extremely dissatisfied, or just slightly). It is very hard to know without a survey or a different way to get user feedback. Maybe the majority of users prefer more "niche" databases (in that case, the feature not wanted), but maybe they prefer more "broad" ones (in that case, the feature being wanted) - that is something to be tested.
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Except databases are not a democracy. Users don't get to vote on the content standard. Plant database isn't going to add rocks just because the users would kinda like that. Webtoons aren't manga. Even having regular manhwa and manhua in the database in the first place is already quite borderline.
You all need to watch Nami.

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abystoma2 said:
Except databases are not a democracy. Users don't get to vote on the content standard. Plant database isn't going to add rocks just because the users would kinda like that.


Agreed on the point that user experience isn't the only factor and that it's not a democracy (it is up to the owner whether it's a democracy or not). It depends on the developer too and their interests (passion/vision, profit, cost of development etc).

Assume the person has "MyPlantList" though, if (not saying it does, if hypothetically, or if user testing shows a strong indicator of) adding rocks would triple the user base and increase user experience + profit, it might be tempting for the owner/developer to pivot the Plant database to include rocks. Maybe renaming their site to "My Plant and Rock List" (or keeping it as "MyPlantList" for the brand and short name, even if it does include info on rocks). Maybe the developer wants to add a community into their "MyPlantList", not just a "database". One could argue "it's just a list, it shouldn't contain a community feature or rocks".

MyAnimeList is advertised as a "Anime and Manga List database and community". What if (assuming) someone only made an "Anime database", then extending to "Anime and Manga database" helped, and then extending to "community" as well. If the developer didn't pivot from "Anime database" to include "Manga" and "community", then maybe it wouldn't satisfy more of their current users or grow as many users. (Similar to My Plant and Rock List, where Rock = Manga, Plant = Anime). Pivoting and changing the original intent helps. There are many questions, e.g. should one remove Manhua, would that improve the user base (not saying it does or does not, just a random question to be tested)?

Discord is a successful example of pivoting to satisfy more users and gain more users too https://www.protocol.com/discord
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If money is involved it might be tempting, but it would tremendously weaken the page's identity. It would no longer be *the* plant database, just "database of some stuff".

Manga has been part of MAL since 2007, practically almost from the beginning. Myanimeandmangalist just doesn't sound that good as a domain. And honestly it would make more sence to add live action section than to add webtoons.

Live action adaptations of anime and manga make sense as part of anime and manga community. But webtoon community isn't manga community. MAL simply isn't site for webtoon community. And just because someone happens to be part of both manga and webtoon community doesn't need MAL needs to change.

Alanski said:

Discord is a successful example of pivoting to satisfy more users and gain more users too https://www.protocol.com/discord

Not really, as the article says, it was published as a replacement for Skype and TeamSpeak and that's exactly what it did.
abystoma2Aug 27, 2021 1:53 PM
You all need to watch Nami.

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Heyo guys, I'm back and yh I'm truly happy to see some of manhuas updated here like soul land, versatile mage, etc. But im quite disappointed that some manhuas are not updated yet like Tales of demons and gods (ToDG)[Yao Shen Ji]. And I think its officially published too now from Bilibili Comics and you can say its more than official now, not any translation scans. At least consider official English publisher like Bilibili Comics here too, and idk about magazines for that though but im sure this is the best authentic way to describe that this is more than deserving. As we all know manhua= Bilibili, I mean to say that over 80-85% all are Bilibili related so please consider it. [And sorry kineta, I know that you did tell me that don't discuss this things related to manga/manhua with you but I am just mentioning so that if other mods have any queries regarding this, they can discuss with you at least that they can consider this humble request of mine or not. Well, if I am kinda explaining it more than just think it like this, I can't wait to see that all manhuas existed here too just like mangas. Well, if you want to, check anilist too, they are going more fast due to this and i don't want any of my friends to suffer due to this. Pls support this if you feel that too 😎πŸ₯°]
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And I think its officially published too now from Bilibili Comics and you can say its more than official now, not any translation scans.

Still just a web publication though, not a physical print.
You all need to watch Nami.

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abystoma2 said:
JayeshB69 said:
And I think its officially published too now from Bilibili Comics and you can say its more than official now, not any translation scans.

Still just a web publication though, not a physical print.

Well, you can say like that but still, at least we should try doing something new. And, well it isn't like that its something uncensored or whatever. As we all know that we should try new things too. If you are making like that its still web publication, then just say what does this myanimelist site name means in its own place that its a collection of animes only but we have mangas and manhuas too, don't we and even donghua too, don't we. So how am I wrong here that we can't try it, hmmm?πŸ€”πŸ™‹πŸ™„πŸ˜‚

So, I am just saying that we should at least give it some thought so that more potential growth can come and visit this site. You know what, i know some of mods and Admins here, and that's why I even recommended some of my friends to come visit this site. Because I know that they are very cooperative if you need anything. And this is from my bottom of my heart that's why I can't wait to see more new changes to happen. But you know what, some came but some not because they are like this they said that they want to make directory for all popular manhuas too and nowadays you may have heard of Anilist.co which is also one of the anime directory giants, and recently they even have all popular manhuas series even characters in there due to which its getting pretty good hype. As I can see that after manga, all fans will take go for manhua. Due to its high frequency chapter rate and its pretty popular nowadays. And they just did some changes and they can make changes to their potential growth just after doing some changes. So, basically it matters, ok πŸ˜‚ so nvm if you get retaliated or hurt by my words or something. But, I am just saying we should try that..... Maybe we can get some more better results πŸ₯°πŸ₯°πŸ˜ŽπŸ™‹πŸ˜‡
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JayeshB69 said:
So how am I wrong here that we can't try it, hmmm?πŸ€”
Simple, because this isn't a database for webcomics.

JayeshB69 said:
I can see that after manga, all fans will take go for manhua. Due to its high frequency chapter rate and its pretty popular nowadays.
Lot of chapters, sure. But the quality is usually shit. It's pretty rare to find a manhwa that can rival at least an average manga quality. Well, popularity is irrelevant for this discussion anyway.
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Saw this thread back in 2018. Came here again to check if something had change, but looking the few new posts, I can see the same blind extremist community remains.
Swapped to Anilist back then, and I have nothing to regret. Now I have a real unified list of all type of anime and manga/manhwa/manhua/webtoons i've seen without useless, disfunctional exclusions.
I suggest and extremely recommend it to anyone that came to read this words by any chance, its not worth the effort. I tried too back in the day to get this manhua in the database (a few times) so I could add it to my read list, but the developers are just as close-minded as their community, so all was in vain.
This site have the only advantage of being one of the first (if not the very first) of it's kind, but as in the mentioned discord vs skype fight, being an obsolete first idea doesn't mean you will be the best option forever, and as time passes, it only gets clearer.
Cheers to everyone, and have a nice time reading.
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JaviXR said:

Swapped to Anilist back then, and I have nothing to regret. Now I have a real unified list of all type of anime and manga/manhwa/manhua/webtoons i've seen without useless, disfunctional exclusions.


Anime-Planet is also a great option, and they have a larger selection of webtoons in their database, including this one. They also have OEL, which Anilist doesn't allow.
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Anime planet is a great option, there they have manhuas, manhwas, webtoons, mangas, light novels, web novels and animes, perfect for me who likes to read a lot of everything.
At least there are Reincarnated for nothing and Everyone else is a returnee, Novels that I could not find in other pages, well they dont have H there, but who want to have H in ther list?
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Bunch of morons on here defending bad decisions by MAL
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abystoma2 said:
Except databases are not a democracy. Users don't get to vote on the content standard. Plant database isn't going to add rocks just because the users would kinda like that. Webtoons aren't manga. Even having regular manhwa and manhua in the database in the first place is already quite borderline.
I don't really get your point here. Websites exist for the users. If the users want it, what's the harm in giving it to them? Having just *some* manhwa as it is right now is just confusing
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abystoma2 said:
Except databases are not a democracy. Users don't get to vote on the content standard. Plant database isn't going to add rocks just because the users would kinda like that. Webtoons aren't manga. Even having regular manhwa and manhua in the database in the first place is already quite borderline.
I don't really get your point here. Websites exist for the users. If the users want it, what's the harm in giving it to them? Having just *some* manhwa as it is right now is just confusing
Exists for the users, not managed by users.
You all need to watch Nami.

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I think I've seen more Manhwa be added recently
So hopefully Tales of Demons and Gods gets added soon.
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I think I've seen more Manhwa be added recently
So hopefully Tales of Demons and Gods gets added soon.


MAL changed its policy regarding Manhwas some months ago.
Before , they were only adding those who got a phisical release in Korea (Which is not really frequent) , but now they also allow those who are digitally published by a few white-listed site such as Line Webtoon , KakaoPage or Lezhin.

Unfortunately , it's only for Manhwas , and Manhuas are excluded for the moment.
Since Tales Of Demons And Gods also doesn't have a physical release in China , it can't be added , as of now.
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If it doesn't have an official physical release (which includes release in a manga magazine), it doesn't get to be in the site. I assume this doesn't.
@juandmarco it is released in manga magazines. Probably it’s because it’s Chinese which I think is wrong as it’s one of my favourites.
There is an entry now but the poster shows an unknown female and there’s no button to add the entry
https://myanimelist.net/manga/151171/Yao_Shen_Ji?q=Tales%20of%20demons%20and%20gods&cat=manga
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it is released in manga magazines.


It's not, atleast not in the sense MAL mean. The chapters are posted on ac.qq, and a few platforms, like Bilibili or KuaikanManhua. Technically, ac.qq is a digital magazine of Tencent, but MAL do not regard it as such, but more like a platform.

By magazine, MAL means traditional physical magazine, even if they started to open the gates to digital magazines when they are owned by a reputable print company (Shonen Jump + for example) or when they are popular enough (Naver and the likes for Manhwas). Still no news for Manhuas, tho.

Cristina_G said:
There is an entry now but the poster shows an unknown female and there’s no button to add the entry


That's because it's pending approval; a user submitted it, but mods did not accepted or denied it yet. It can takes a few years for them to look at it, but a lot of such entries were already denied for TODAG.

As for the female, that's Ye Ziyun. That picture is one of the official artworks made by Mad Snail for the Volumes (sales of chapters in batches). You can find more there : https://tales-of-demons-and-gods.fandom.com/wiki/Art_Gallery/Professional_Art
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it is released in manga magazines.


It's not, atleast not in the sense MAL mean. The chapters are posted on ac.qq, and a few platforms, like Bilibili or KuaikanManhua. Technically, ac.qq is a digital magazine of Tencent, but MAL do not regard it as such, but more like a platform.

By magazine, MAL means traditional physical magazine, even if they started to open the gates to digital magazines when they are owned by a reputable print company (Shonen Jump + for example) or when they are popular enough (Naver and the likes for Manhwas). Still no news for Manhuas, tho.

Cristina_G said:
There is an entry now but the poster shows an unknown female and there’s no button to add the entry


That's because it's pending approval; a user submitted it, but mods did not accepted or denied it yet. It can takes a few years for them to look at it, but a lot of such entries were already denied for TODAG.

As for the female, that's Ye Ziyun. That picture is one of the official artworks made by Mad Snail for the Volumes (sales of chapters in batches). You can find more there : https://tales-of-demons-and-gods.fandom.com/wiki/Art_Gallery/Professional_Art
@Alexioos95 Aww that’s such a shame πŸ˜” I love this story. Thank you for replying to something posted years ago πŸ™πŸ»

Also, many thanks for the link. I can see who the female figure is now. I love the Art, it’s such an individual style, absolutely beautiful! This precious link, I’m saving it to my personal animation notes, tyyy πŸ”₯❀️‍πŸ”₯πŸ”₯

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