| The fact that ecchi could be the most profitable part of the industry is not really the industry's fault, is it? The industry shapes itself based on cultural phases... If sex really sells (I don't know if that's the case, but if anime is overwhelmed by it it could very well be) then that's cultural orientation that needs to change... Like the 70's mecha mania... I personally would like more psychological and seinen adaptations and original anime, so if right now the market isn't pandering to me then that's ok, there's always manga... But I hope one day to see a change in that regard |
AbrahamOmosun said: AnimeFreak-San said: ecchi is such a huge part of anime, I feel like if you don't like ecchi, then you don't understand anime and should try other mediums of entertainment instead. ecchi is what makes anime so enjoyable. Where are you getting this sort of information from? People enjoy anime for a wide variety of reasons from fight scenes to story development and even fanservice . You can't just generalize the whole anime community and anime by saying that is what's make it enjoyable when they are 100s of shows people liked that didn't have echii My on take on the matter is that though there are some shows I would have enjoyed much more if not for panty shots/boobs flashing at very inappropriate moments like in Noragami and Fire Force, I don't think echii should be completely removed from anime. are you asexual or do not like boobs? it is common sense that it is exciting for the viewer. |
| also when they make blue ray releases, to make money for animu industry, are they uncensored more or censored more...theres your answer. thats how anime IS. FINISHING MOVE on this debate. fanservice and ecchi keeps the viewers who buy the shiny discs interested and the industry aflot. the story, plot, etc is not as important to this industry, which horrifies the sjw pearl clutching 50s mothers on this website. |
Darius said: epidemia78 said: If your brother is worried that watching anime will make him stop liking real girls then I'd say he's got some mental defects. He's the problem for sure. Clannad and Steins;Gate in your favorites are enough to let me know that YOU're the one who's got mental defects. From my experience, these are literally the 2 main titles that a weeb always loves. I even watched both of them (they're trash). ...basically, people who tolerate ecchi either have a sad taste or lack taste in general and that's the end of it. There's more ecchi in Cowboy Bebop than there is in Clannad or Steins;Gate combined. Seriously, only abnormal weebs wants to look at stuff like this:  |
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Darius said: Without. Ecchi culture is very loud and it contributed negatively to anime image in society. It's now harder to get normal people into anime because of it. For example, my brother thinks that people who watch anime prefer waifus over real girlfriends. He's thinking of otakus, obviously, but does not understand that among the trash there are normal titles like Cowboy Bebop, Ghibli movies, etc. Is my brother to blame for believing that? I blame ecchi. People like you and the OP of this thread make me sick. You're so insecure and worried about being embarrassed at your little parties or in-front of your brother that you would destroy everything that makes anime amazing and unique if given the chance. I don't mind the elitists, I don't mind the casuals either if they just do their own thing. The only people in need of being purged from the anime community are the people who have no respect for the medium to begin with and want to twist it so they won't be embarrassed in-front of their friends when they mention it. You are a herd creature who can't seem to decide which herd to belong to which is frustrating you. Well I'll tell you that you cannot be a part of the anime herd if you're going to have no respect for the medium. You seem to have more in common with your friends who also have no respect for the medium so perhaps you should go back to hanging out with them. |
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Ryuk9428 said: Darius said: Without. Ecchi culture is very loud and it contributed negatively to anime image in society. It's now harder to get normal people into anime because of it. For example, my brother thinks that people who watch anime prefer waifus over real girlfriends. He's thinking of otakus, obviously, but does not understand that among the trash there are normal titles like Cowboy Bebop, Ghibli movies, etc. Is my brother to blame for believing that? I blame ecchi. People like you and the OP of this thread make me sick. You're so insecure and worried about being embarrassed at your little parties or in-front of your brother that you would destroy everything that makes anime amazing and unique if given the chance. I don't mind the elitists, I don't mind the casuals either if they just do their own thing. The only people in need of being purged from the anime community are the people who have no respect for the medium to begin with and want to twist it so they won't be embarrassed in-front of their friends when they mention it. You are a herd creature who can't seem to decide which herd to belong to which is frustrating you. Well I'll tell you that you cannot be a part of the anime herd if you're going to have no respect for the medium. You seem to have more in common with your friends who also have no respect for the medium so perhaps you should go back to hanging out with them. but without people like him, how will anime ever gain mainstream credibility? It's important that anime conform to the preferences of people who like Nickleback's music and get emotionally invested watching millionaires play sports on TV! |
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epidemia78 said: Ryuk9428 said: People like you and the OP of this thread make me sick. You're so insecure and worried about being embarrassed at your little parties or in-front of your brother that you would destroy everything that makes anime amazing and unique if given the chance. I don't mind the elitists, I don't mind the casuals either if they just do their own thing. The only people in need of being purged from the anime community are the people who have no respect for the medium to begin with and want to twist it so they won't be embarrassed in-front of their friends when they mention it. You are a herd creature who can't seem to decide which herd to belong to which is frustrating you. Well I'll tell you that you cannot be a part of the anime herd if you're going to have no respect for the medium. You seem to have more in common with your friends who also have no respect for the medium so perhaps you should go back to hanging out with them. but without people like him, how will anime ever gain mainstream credibility? It's important that anime conform to the preferences of people who like Nickleback's music and get emotionally invested watching millionaires play sports on TV! 🤣🤣 Funny how people like that think they are doing us some kind of favor by making anime appear more normal to people or getting more normal people into the medium. As if anybody other than them actually wanted that to begin with. |
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Darius said: Without. Ecchi culture is very loud and it contributed negatively to anime image in society. It's now harder to get normal people into anime because of it. For example, my brother thinks that people who watch anime prefer waifus over real girlfriends. He's thinking of otakus, obviously, but does not understand that among the trash there are normal titles like Cowboy Bebop, Ghibli movies, etc. Is my brother to blame for believing that? I blame ecchi. Yes, yes he is. You can blame whatever you want personally doesn't change where the blame actually lies. |
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Kami_sama_ said: Kata89 said: You are correct. But it's not that binary. The problem is not in mature/sexual content. First: we need to respect that there is a very real differentiation between high art and low art. Not to say low art is "bad art" but it isn't the same, and it doesn't have the same goals. "High art (or high culture) encompasses the cultural objects of aesthetic value, which a society collectively esteem as exemplary art. It may also include intellectual works considered to be of supreme philosophical, historical, or literary value, as well as the education which cultivates such aesthetic and intellectual pursuits." High art is the works which are held in part for their artistic merit, for their depth, quality, controversy, etc. Sexuality is a praised topic within the art world, and is one that has been explored in thousands of respected paintings (think of classical art, for example), films (a well respected film which utilizes explicit sex/nudity could be A Clockwork Orange, for example), as well as every other art form, such as literature, music, and even anime. Where ecchi *usually* goes wrong is in it's exploitative nature of sexuality. Instead of using a fundamental element of human existence as a powerful narrative and character development tool, sexuality is reduced to prolonged shots of women in bikinis. For no apparent reason. By using something to an extreme as a means of engaging an audience does NOT make something not art. But it does devalue it as a piece of art, because it illustrates that artistic works' lack of "aesthetic and intellectual pursuits." (please do not misinterpret what I am saying to be a universal truth. It's certainly not, and is a flexible reasoning for why I, as well as others, may view erotic material for the sake of being erotic as a lower form of art) It's not as simple as "ecchi is not high art", of course. I'm sure there is some ecchi with very high artistic value and merit (if you have any in mind, please let me know.) So to sum up: sexual and erotic content DOES not negate it's status as art. But it does subject it to the status as a "low" art. One which has value, but is not held to the same regard as "high" art. Nothing wrong with that. They have 2 different goals as a creative work. Avengers isn't trying to be a masterful artistic work, with a strong sense of philosophical, intellectual, and aesthetic merit. It's simply trying to be a film series that captures the minds of millions and make a few bucks along the way. Avengers will not be what people remember 21st century art for in a couple hundred years, most likely, and there isn't necessarily anything wrong with that. That was a lot longer than I intended it to be. I just think it's an interesting topic. This. My words may have been triggering and somewhat volatile, but this is what I have been trying to illustrate throughout this thread and my many, many arguments. It isn't that Ecchi is bad, just like how everything written and drawn it is essentially art, but most of the time there is no intellectual value within how it is used, leading to said creators exploiting the nature of sexual imagery, for the singular purpose of engaging their audiences sexual desire instead of stimulating their intellectual desire. So to express my opinion once and for all. I, more than anything in anime and manga, love to examine the universal ideas and truths within a piece of art, but this senseless addition of ecchi, and the 'Ecchi Culture' it creates, subtracts from what could be 'high art', e.g. Made in Abyss. I mean keep ignoring anything that detracts (again OP is looking only for validation not conversation). I can just bring up Kill La Kill due to it's messages on body positivity and expression against societal norms/control over a woman's body. There are hentai that can bring up interesting thoughts on such things like gender roles. I have stated this over and over which you continue to ignore because you are just looking for validation again. Plus even if that was only the case explain what is inherently wrong with making content that attracts the viewer from base sex appeal? Not everything needs to The Great Wave off Kanagawa we can have some Kinoe no Komatsu as well. There isn't anything wrong with enjoying fun edge shows that are nothing but blood and violence same thing with sex appeal. You don't always need a deep meaning in art it's just an expression of our humanity and sometimes that can be incredibly base. |
BilboBaggins365Apr 14, 2020 12:56 PM
Darius said: Without. Ecchi culture is very loud and it contributed negatively to anime image in society. It's now harder to get normal people into anime because of it. For example, my brother thinks that people who watch anime prefer waifus over real girlfriends. He's thinking of otakus, obviously, but does not understand that among the trash there are normal titles like Cowboy Bebop, Ghibli movies, etc. Is my brother to blame for believing that? I blame ecchi. Now harder? Lol this was always apart of anime/manga. Yes your brother is to blame for caring about stereotypes just like people were to blame for thinking all comic book fans or video games were horrible nerds decades ago before the hobbies hit the mainstream. It's not hard to do research there is an insane ton of anime that comes out that has little to no sexual content including stuff aimed at the otaku market. Why should we want fans like him that are that insecure or don't care enough to get into it? The industry is growing and is bigger than ever before with again shows and content that have found the mainstream even with sexual content being present in it often that has been a big advert. Like people keep acting like Japan is the only one that does this when they actually are pretty tame. Since this discussion has just levelled into sexual content in general and on the execution. The sex scenes in Castlevania are vasty more explict than pretty much anything not in hentai today and they did leverage the marketing opportunity off that. Come watch our show to see a steamy bi threesome which GOT also marketed itself as well using that content. Plus Bebop does have erotic scenes and Faye is sexualized in Bebop so it's funny you bring that up. Lots of basic series that come out every year and get popularity in the evil otaku that often have more tame content than anything in Bebop. |
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Darius said: Clannad and Steins;Gate in your favorites are enough to let me know that YOU're the one who's got mental defects. From my experience, these are literally the 2 main titles that a weeb always loves. I even watched both of them (they're trash). ...basically, people who tolerate ecchi either have a sad taste or lack taste in general and that's the end of it. Lmao😂😂 I've rarely seen a comment making me laugh at loud this much pls calm down chief |
Maneki-Mew said: I think that's just these guys believing that there is a "moral authoritian" being paranoid and dogged again. People point out that they dislike some parts, even of their favorite anime and you are acting like these types of fans, who can't deal with any negative opinion about an anime that contradicts yours. I never said I want to censor anything. You guys just come to me with that paranoia and decide that. I don't care if you don't like it, and I explicitly drew that distinction. We're talking about somebody who has explicitly acknowledged that he wants to drive fans like me out on the basis of what we like. What are you even babbling about? |
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Maneki-Mew said: Or you could just accept that some people found it repulsing and dare to say their opinion about it? I guess, deal with it? I'm not used to a 10 yo being sexualized and I don't want to be used to it, that's why some scenes like that catch my eye even more. I'm not accusing you. Read the thread. there's two guys in particular who want to crack down on wrong-think in anime in order to save society or something. |
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TolkienFan365 said: The sex scenes in Castlevania are vasty more explict than pretty much anything not in hentai today and they did leverage the marketing opportunity off that. Come watch our show to see a steamy bi threesome which GOT also marketed itself as well using that content. I don't know, I feel like the Kiss X Sis OVA is the most erotic show that's ever been made. How many other TV shows will provide us with nearly ten whole minutes of just watching the characters french kiss, dry hump, or lick each other? Kiss X Sis isn't "explicit" I guess in the sense that there's genitals on screen or anal sex being done or something like that. But that's the beauty of it really, its all about pure eroticism with soft and sweet imagery. It doesn't try to shock us with gross sex scenes or really kinky ones. It delights in the sweet eroticism of foreplay. Kiss X Sis changed my perspective on sexuality in media in many ways. I had previously been thinking of "sex scene equals penetrative sex." Kiss X Sis, however, shows how you can create an extremely erotic show without a single penetrative sex scene. And it does so without simply being all exposure and no intimacy. And then there's the kiss scene from Prison School. Possibly the most graphic sex scene I've ever watched but doesn't even have penetration in it. |
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Ryuk9428 said: TolkienFan365 said: The sex scenes in Castlevania are vasty more explict than pretty much anything not in hentai today and they did leverage the marketing opportunity off that. Come watch our show to see a steamy bi threesome which GOT also marketed itself as well using that content. I don't know, I feel like the Kiss X Sis OVA is the most erotic show that's ever been made. How many other TV shows will provide us with nearly ten whole minutes of just watching the characters french kiss, dry hump, or lick each other? Kiss X Sis isn't "explicit" I guess in the sense that there's genitals on screen or anal sex being done or something like that. But that's the beauty of it really, its all about pure eroticism with soft and sweet imagery. It doesn't try to shock us with gross sex scenes or really kinky ones. It delights in the eroticism of foreplay. Kiss X Sis changed my perspective on sexuality in media in many ways. I had previously been thinking of "sex scene equals penetrative sex." Kiss X Sis, however, shows how you can create an extremely erotic show without a single penetrative sex scene. And it does so without simply being all exposure and no intimacy. And then there's the kiss scene from Prison School. Possibly the most graphic sex scene I've ever watched but doesn't even have penetration in it. The Kiss x Sis OVA also came out literally 12 years ago. Plus OVA are in a different category. Prison School fair haven't watched it but I am just saying when I look at every single show coming out every season the amount of actual ecchi with high grade sexual content is pretty minimal. The only one that has gained mainstream attention in the last three years since Eromanga came out was Interspecises Reviewers. Even talking about fanservice the stuff in MHA, Shield Hero is pretty tame compared to Castlevania. Most other big anime that hit the mainstream Demon Slayer, Mob Psycho 100, Kaguya Sama Love is War, Haikyuu, Attack on Titan (outside of the OVAs and also AOT loves manservice more than anythingl lol but all the posters on here only care about female fanservice) Hands of Motion Pictures Club, A Silent Voice, The Promised Neverland, Violet Evergarden have basically no fanservice. Shows like Cells At Work also gained mainstream notice partially because of those reaction series and memes and again nothing really controversial. Others like Dororo or Vinland basically use it to show off more dark aspects of the society which basically right in line with what mainstream Western audiences gravitate to. Most anime that get mainstream attention have very little of it some do but even if you are just a casual by stander unless you have your mind made up already and don't even bother looking at the end of the day there actually isn't that much to greet you unless you dive in. My point Western shows do market sex in shows that are basically soft core porn all the time. These shows are mainstream massive hits and lead to certain books being huge hits (GOT has actual lolicon in the books and HBO decided to make that relationship empowering) . You can argue on the nature of sexual content (which we aren't doing here) and in that case I would argue the West in my opinion does use it better. That is a very different conversation but fact is both use the base desire of sexual appeal to attract audiences. Yet this is made out to be an anime only thing which is hilarious. The Western comics industry also used to use cheesecake shots (basically fanservice) all the time on their covers. It's not that vastly different in terms of intent again use is a different story but these guys are literally talking just on using sexual appeal on fictional characters to attract audience members not the use. |
BilboBaggins365Apr 14, 2020 1:42 PM
Ryuk9428 said: Darius said: Without. Ecchi culture is very loud and it contributed negatively to anime image in society. It's now harder to get normal people into anime because of it. For example, my brother thinks that people who watch anime prefer waifus over real girlfriends. He's thinking of otakus, obviously, but does not understand that among the trash there are normal titles like Cowboy Bebop, Ghibli movies, etc. Is my brother to blame for believing that? I blame ecchi. People like you and the OP of this thread make me sick. You're so insecure and worried about being embarrassed at your little parties or in-front of your brother that you would destroy everything that makes anime amazing and unique if given the chance. I don't mind the elitists, I don't mind the casuals either if they just do their own thing. The only people in need of being purged from the anime community are the people who have no respect for the medium to begin with and want to twist it so they won't be embarrassed in-front of their friends when they mention it. You are a herd creature who can't seem to decide which herd to belong to which is frustrating you. Well I'll tell you that you cannot be a part of the anime herd if you're going to have no respect for the medium. You seem to have more in common with your friends who also have no respect for the medium so perhaps you should go back to hanging out with them. Go watch your hentai in silence and don't ruin the image of anime community please |
Darius said: Ryuk9428 said: People like you and the OP of this thread make me sick. You're so insecure and worried about being embarrassed at your little parties or in-front of your brother that you would destroy everything that makes anime amazing and unique if given the chance. I don't mind the elitists, I don't mind the casuals either if they just do their own thing. The only people in need of being purged from the anime community are the people who have no respect for the medium to begin with and want to twist it so they won't be embarrassed in-front of their friends when they mention it. You are a herd creature who can't seem to decide which herd to belong to which is frustrating you. Well I'll tell you that you cannot be a part of the anime herd if you're going to have no respect for the medium. You seem to have more in common with your friends who also have no respect for the medium so perhaps you should go back to hanging out with them. Go watch your hentai in silence and don't ruin the image of anime community please Yeah continue with the adhoms like watching hentai really hurts anyone's image. Amazing you have watched porn once in your lifetime how horrible. |
TolkienFan365 said: Darius said: Without. Ecchi culture is very loud and it contributed negatively to anime image in society. It's now harder to get normal people into anime because of it. For example, my brother thinks that people who watch anime prefer waifus over real girlfriends. He's thinking of otakus, obviously, but does not understand that among the trash there are normal titles like Cowboy Bebop, Ghibli movies, etc. Is my brother to blame for believing that? I blame ecchi. Now harder? Lol this was always apart of anime/manga. Yes your brother is to blame for caring about stereotypes just like people were to blame for thinking all comic book fans or video games were horrible nerds decades ago before the hobbies hit the mainstream. It's not hard to do research there is an insane ton of anime that comes out that has little to no sexual content including stuff aimed at the otaku market. Why should we want fans like him that are that insecure or don't care enough to get into it? The industry is growing and is bigger than ever before with again shows and content that have found the mainstream even with sexual content being present in it often that has been a big advert. Like people keep acting like Japan is the only one that does this when they actually are pretty tame. Since this discussion has just levelled into sexual content in general and on the execution. The sex scenes in Castlevania are vasty more explict than pretty much anything not in hentai today and they did leverage the marketing opportunity off that. Come watch our show to see a steamy bi threesome which GOT also marketed itself as well using that content. Plus Bebop does have erotic scenes and Faye is sexualized in Bebop so it's funny you bring that up. Lots of basic series that come out every year and get popularity in the evil otaku that often have more tame content than anything in Bebop. Neither Castlevania nor Bebop deliver that sexuality in a retarted way like ecchi does. Every female in ecchi is literally a talking braindead doll |
Darius said: TolkienFan365 said: Now harder? Lol this was always apart of anime/manga. Yes your brother is to blame for caring about stereotypes just like people were to blame for thinking all comic book fans or video games were horrible nerds decades ago before the hobbies hit the mainstream. It's not hard to do research there is an insane ton of anime that comes out that has little to no sexual content including stuff aimed at the otaku market. Why should we want fans like him that are that insecure or don't care enough to get into it? The industry is growing and is bigger than ever before with again shows and content that have found the mainstream even with sexual content being present in it often that has been a big advert. Like people keep acting like Japan is the only one that does this when they actually are pretty tame. Since this discussion has just levelled into sexual content in general and on the execution. The sex scenes in Castlevania are vasty more explict than pretty much anything not in hentai today and they did leverage the marketing opportunity off that. Come watch our show to see a steamy bi threesome which GOT also marketed itself as well using that content. Plus Bebop does have erotic scenes and Faye is sexualized in Bebop so it's funny you bring that up. Lots of basic series that come out every year and get popularity in the evil otaku that often have more tame content than anything in Bebop. Neither Castlevania nor Bebop deliver that sexuality in a retarted way like ecchi does. Every female in ecchi is literally a talking braindead doll Except this thread has nothing to do with execution and has completely everything to do with arguing the sexualization of female characters. OP has made no distinguish on well executed sexual content or what that entails. Like many posters in this thread you have gone far enough to argue it's devoid of artistic value (hilarious consider what high art entails). I mean if you want to go that route yeah I wish more anime took notes from hentai so we can see more wholesome intimate relationships and less slap stick. I am critical of a lot of ecchi and don't like most of it. Though you yourself also again made it about people finding characters attractive like people didn't oogle the Castlevania scene because Alucard is hot or they weren't interested in GOT erotic scenes at any point. Also last point Kill La Kill again. |
TolkienFan365 said: Ryuk9428 said: I don't know, I feel like the Kiss X Sis OVA is the most erotic show that's ever been made. How many other TV shows will provide us with nearly ten whole minutes of just watching the characters french kiss, dry hump, or lick each other? Kiss X Sis isn't "explicit" I guess in the sense that there's genitals on screen or anal sex being done or something like that. But that's the beauty of it really, its all about pure eroticism with soft and sweet imagery. It doesn't try to shock us with gross sex scenes or really kinky ones. It delights in the eroticism of foreplay. Kiss X Sis changed my perspective on sexuality in media in many ways. I had previously been thinking of "sex scene equals penetrative sex." Kiss X Sis, however, shows how you can create an extremely erotic show without a single penetrative sex scene. And it does so without simply being all exposure and no intimacy. And then there's the kiss scene from Prison School. Possibly the most graphic sex scene I've ever watched but doesn't even have penetration in it. The Kiss x Sis OVA also came out literally 12 years ago. Plus OVA are in a different category. Prison School fair haven't watched it but I am just saying when I look at every single show coming out every season the amount of actual ecchi with high grade sexual content is pretty minimal. The only one that has gained mainstream attention in the last three years since Eromanga came out was Interspecises Reviewers. Kiss X Sis was an OVA true, but I don't know if being an OVA necessarily excludes it from being considered a TV show. I suppose I consider "a TV show" to be anything with episodic content whereas a movie is non-episodic media. Otherwise Castlevania wouldn't be considered a TV show either since it doesn't technically come out on TV but rather through premium streaming services. The TV version of Kiss X Sis was definitely toned down significantly from the OVA, one could argue that it was so it could be put on TV. But then again, I think AT-X would be willing to air anything uncensored given that they were willing to air Valkyrie Drive, Elfen Lied, and Ishuzoku Reviewers uncensored. I'd say Kuzu No Honkai has pretty high grade sexual content in it. Course that was 3 years ago as well. Citrus, despite being rated PG-13 on MAL is surprisingly out there. Devilman: Crybaby was very explicit, at one point they show a straight up orgy. On one hand, my impulse was to agree that things has toned down in anime in recent years compared to the 2008-2015 era but then I remembered Kuzu No Honkai, Citrus, Devilman: Crybaby, and Ishuzoku Reviewers, all of which came out in the last three years. There's also the borderline hentai shorts that come out each season like XL Joushi and Overflow. |
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Ryuk9428 said: TolkienFan365 said: The Kiss x Sis OVA also came out literally 12 years ago. Plus OVA are in a different category. Prison School fair haven't watched it but I am just saying when I look at every single show coming out every season the amount of actual ecchi with high grade sexual content is pretty minimal. The only one that has gained mainstream attention in the last three years since Eromanga came out was Interspecises Reviewers. Kiss X Sis was an OVA true, but I don't know if being an OVA necessarily excludes it from being considered a TV show. I suppose I consider "a TV show" to be anything with episodic content whereas a movie is non-episodic media. Otherwise Castlevania wouldn't be considered a TV show either since it doesn't technically come out on TV but rather through premium streaming services. The TV version of Kiss X Sis was definitely toned down significantly from the OVA, one could argue that it was so it could be put on TV. But then again, I think AT-X would be willing to air anything uncensored given that they were willing to air Valkyrie Drive and Ishuzoku Reviewers uncensored. I'd say Kuzu No Honkai has pretty high grade sexual content in it. Course that was 3 years ago as well. Citrus, despite being rated PG-13 on MAL is surprisingly out there. Devilman: Crybaby was very explicit, at one point they show a straight up orgy. On one hand, my impulse was to agree that things has toned down in anime in recent years compared to the 2008-2015 era but then I remembered Kuzu No Honkai, Citrus, Devilman: Crybaby, and Ishuzoku Reviewers, all of which came out in the last three years. There's also the borderline hentai shorts that come out each season like XL Joushi and Overflow. Yeah fair granted from what I heard of XL that just seems like hentai it's like the same reason Aki Sora isn't hentai. I guess I think it has to do with the fact it isn't pentrative but whatever to me is pretty explicit and just basically porn. As for the latter again fair HBO, SyFy and Starz do air sexually explicit content on technically channels but you know it's still exclusive content to those channels as stuff like HBO are premium channels you have to subscribe to unlike most late night anime which just air on a lot of basic networks I think? So yeah ignore the OVA thing. Devilman Crybaby yeah okay there is another one that is fair granted from what I heard of it again sounds like something that still would fit Western tastes (haven't watched it yet). Though my point is the mainstream stuff the stuff that defines this industry really isn't that full of sexual content. It's not hard to identify shows without it. In general though I am just saying a lot of serious Western shows i watch do have sexual content that is worse than a majority of anime out there. Is it better and more respectful an actual sex scene vs a panty shot that is another debate but fact is yeah most Western TV shows that have been popular over the years are more explicit than your average popular anime like Demon Slayer, Mob Psycho 100, Kaguya Sama etc etc and they do market it. That is the point I was trying to get at because some are acting like the fact women are sexualized is a big push away. That fact alone just shows how BS that is. If you want to turn this into a thread on execution I think my stance would be more critical on anime but so many posts here are just moralizing or shaming people for finding a fictional character attractive rather than talking specifically how anime uses its sexual appeal. |
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| if it exists it means there's a demand. what a stupid question, so you'd just remove it all and say it's better? wth. |
| I don't care about ecchi either way, but anime wouldn't be anime without ecchi to differentiate it from western offerings. I want to see something different, even if that different can range from spontaneous boner inducing to cringe. I don't want to tell Japanese people how to make their cartoons. I want to see what they've got. If I don't like it, then there's other shit I can focus on. |
TolkienFan365 said: Darius said: Neither Castlevania nor Bebop deliver that sexuality in a retarted way like ecchi does. Every female in ecchi is literally a talking braindead doll Except this thread has nothing to do with execution and has completely everything to do with arguing the sexualization of female characters. OP has made no distinguish on well executed sexual content or what that entails. Like many posters in this thread you have gone far enough to argue it's devoid of artistic value (hilarious consider what high art entails). I mean if you want to go that route yeah I wish more anime took notes from hentai so we can see more wholesome intimate relationships and less slap stick. I am critical of a lot of ecchi and don't like most of it. Though you yourself also again made it about people finding characters attractive like people didn't oogle the Castlevania scene because Alucard is hot or they weren't interested in GOT erotic scenes at any point. Also last point Kill La Kill again. Quality, execution I didn't mention that either We're talking about ecchi here and neither Bebop or Castlevania is ecchi and you know it Ecchi is for braindeads and female characters in it are unrealistic and retarted. That's what makes it ecchi basically. You have to be stupid to genuinely like this genre |
| Well I guesse It depends on the anime some are good with and and some are like ok but in the end I dont really mind lmao. |
TolkienFan365 said: Ryuk9428 said: Kiss X Sis was an OVA true, but I don't know if being an OVA necessarily excludes it from being considered a TV show. I suppose I consider "a TV show" to be anything with episodic content whereas a movie is non-episodic media. Otherwise Castlevania wouldn't be considered a TV show either since it doesn't technically come out on TV but rather through premium streaming services. The TV version of Kiss X Sis was definitely toned down significantly from the OVA, one could argue that it was so it could be put on TV. But then again, I think AT-X would be willing to air anything uncensored given that they were willing to air Valkyrie Drive and Ishuzoku Reviewers uncensored. I'd say Kuzu No Honkai has pretty high grade sexual content in it. Course that was 3 years ago as well. Citrus, despite being rated PG-13 on MAL is surprisingly out there. Devilman: Crybaby was very explicit, at one point they show a straight up orgy. On one hand, my impulse was to agree that things has toned down in anime in recent years compared to the 2008-2015 era but then I remembered Kuzu No Honkai, Citrus, Devilman: Crybaby, and Ishuzoku Reviewers, all of which came out in the last three years. There's also the borderline hentai shorts that come out each season like XL Joushi and Overflow. Yeah fair granted from what I heard of XL that just seems like hentai it's like the same reason Aki Sora isn't hentai. I guess I think it has to do with the fact it isn't pentrative but whatever to me is pretty explicit and just basically porn. As for the latter again fair HBO, SyFy and Starz do air sexually explicit content on technically channels but you know it's still exclusive content. So yeah ignore the OVA thing. Devilman Crybaby yeah okay there is another one that is fair granted from what I heard of it again sounds like something that still would fit Western tastes (haven't watched it yet). Though my point is the mainstream stuff the stuff that defines this industry really isn't that full of sexual content. It's not hard to identify shows without it. In general though I am just saying a lot of serious Western shows i watch do have sexual content that is worse than a majority of anime out there. Is it better and more respectful an actual sex scene vs a panty shot that is another debate but fact is yeah most Western TV shows that have been popular over the years are more explicit than your average popular anime like Demon Slayer, Mob Psycho 100, Kaguya Sama etc etc and they do market it. That is the point I was trying to get at because some are acting like the fact women are sexualized is a big push away. That fact alone which is just BS. If you want to turn this into a thread on execution I think my stance would be more critical on anime but so many posts here are just moralizing or shaming people for finding a fictional character attractive rather than talking specifically how anime uses its sexual appeal. Aki Sora I think one could definitely make the argument that its just hentai without showing genitals. It seems to me that the hentai tag simply applies when genitals are shown regardless of the pixelation. Devilman: Crybaby definitely seems like it was made to appeal to Western tastes. I remember one scene for example of rappers at a dock who have all the bling and I couldn't help but wonder how common guys like that really are in Japan. I think with anime, compared to Western TV shows, we get more "extremes" I guess you could say. Like you get more anime TV shows that have essentially no sexual content at all. Attack on Titan or Death Note for example. But you also get animes that take it further than even shows like Girls or Game of Thrones do. It seems to me though that's there more Western TV shows that have some kind of middle ground you could say. Even the hospital, courtroom drama, and detective shows that my mom watches for example show characters hooking up sometimes. I actually think Western TV shows are more prone to inserting sexual content where it doesn't really fit the atmosphere of the show. Like Black Sails for example showing bisexual threesomes when the show is about 18th century pirates. But at the same time, I think other Western TV shows when the sexual content is appropriate for the atmosphere don't go far enough because its considered inappropriate or low-brow writing to overtly make a scene feel pornographic or focus on how attractive a female character is. While one could easily make a decent argument for either side in terms of on-screen depictions of sexual moments. There's absolutely no question about which one depicts more sexualized characters wearing skimpy outfits, showing their panties, and has more camera angles specifically for lewding the female characters. Perhaps the biggest reason why there's a perception that anime writers have more freedom than Western writers when it comes to sexual content though is the freedom anime writers have to use teenage characters in these situations. On the issue of teenage sexuality, Western writers have to tip-toe more lest they be accused of sexualizing minors whereas Japanese writers don't need to show any subtlety whatsoever and can depict teenage sexuality in a more honest manner. To me that indicates that anime writers are less concerned with broad appeal than they are with niche appeal. Attack on Titan for example doesn't have any sex in it probably because the writers didn't think it fit the atmosphere of the show. In cases where it does fit the atmosphere though, you get shows like Kiss X Sis, Valkyrie Drive, and Ishuzoku Reviewers which blow way past anything I've ever seen on American television. |
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Darius said: Ryuk9428 said: People like you and the OP of this thread make me sick. You're so insecure and worried about being embarrassed at your little parties or in-front of your brother that you would destroy everything that makes anime amazing and unique if given the chance. I don't mind the elitists, I don't mind the casuals either if they just do their own thing. The only people in need of being purged from the anime community are the people who have no respect for the medium to begin with and want to twist it so they won't be embarrassed in-front of their friends when they mention it. You are a herd creature who can't seem to decide which herd to belong to which is frustrating you. Well I'll tell you that you cannot be a part of the anime herd if you're going to have no respect for the medium. You seem to have more in common with your friends who also have no respect for the medium so perhaps you should go back to hanging out with them. Go watch your hentai in silence and don't ruin the image of anime community please Why so more people like you will be attracted to the anime community? No thanks. |
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Darius said: TolkienFan365 said: Except this thread has nothing to do with execution and has completely everything to do with arguing the sexualization of female characters. OP has made no distinguish on well executed sexual content or what that entails. Like many posters in this thread you have gone far enough to argue it's devoid of artistic value (hilarious consider what high art entails). I mean if you want to go that route yeah I wish more anime took notes from hentai so we can see more wholesome intimate relationships and less slap stick. I am critical of a lot of ecchi and don't like most of it. Though you yourself also again made it about people finding characters attractive like people didn't oogle the Castlevania scene because Alucard is hot or they weren't interested in GOT erotic scenes at any point. Also last point Kill La Kill again. Quality, execution I didn't mention that either We're talking about ecchi here and neither Bebop or Castlevania is ecchi and you know it Ecchi is for braindeads and female characters in it are unrealistic and retarted. That's what makes it ecchi basically. You have to be stupid to genuinely like this genre Except no one has actually made any distinguishment on what qualifies as ecchi as the OP was talking even just about sexualization in general as were other posters even down to just finding a character attractive and buying merch for their "waifu" (like that is worse than people obsessing over real life actors). In Bebop's case Faye has gotten backlash from feminists i have encountered for exploiting her body and is just a sex object. Second point really engaging analysis of ecchi but no I have given examples that have deeper meanings. Though again yeah it's your attitude why I hate people like you and most people who start threads like this. It's not the critique it's the insults I go after people who insult those who like battle shonen too or "elitist shows" you guys kill disccusion. Ad homs ad homs amazing discussion keep going down to basic level insults. Yeah I don't want people like your or stupid brother in the community if that is the environment we are going to foster and I don't like most ecchi. |
BilboBaggins365Apr 14, 2020 2:51 PM
Ryuk9428 said: TolkienFan365 said: Yeah fair granted from what I heard of XL that just seems like hentai it's like the same reason Aki Sora isn't hentai. I guess I think it has to do with the fact it isn't pentrative but whatever to me is pretty explicit and just basically porn. As for the latter again fair HBO, SyFy and Starz do air sexually explicit content on technically channels but you know it's still exclusive content. So yeah ignore the OVA thing. Devilman Crybaby yeah okay there is another one that is fair granted from what I heard of it again sounds like something that still would fit Western tastes (haven't watched it yet). Though my point is the mainstream stuff the stuff that defines this industry really isn't that full of sexual content. It's not hard to identify shows without it. In general though I am just saying a lot of serious Western shows i watch do have sexual content that is worse than a majority of anime out there. Is it better and more respectful an actual sex scene vs a panty shot that is another debate but fact is yeah most Western TV shows that have been popular over the years are more explicit than your average popular anime like Demon Slayer, Mob Psycho 100, Kaguya Sama etc etc and they do market it. That is the point I was trying to get at because some are acting like the fact women are sexualized is a big push away. That fact alone which is just BS. If you want to turn this into a thread on execution I think my stance would be more critical on anime but so many posts here are just moralizing or shaming people for finding a fictional character attractive rather than talking specifically how anime uses its sexual appeal. Aki Sora I think one could definitely make the argument that its just hentai without showing genitals. It seems to me that the hentai tag simply applies when genitals are shown regardless of the pixelation. Devilman: Crybaby definitely seems like it was made to appeal to Western tastes. I remember one scene for example of rappers at a dock who have all the bling and I couldn't help but wonder how common guys like that really are in Japan. I think with anime, compared to Western TV shows, we get more "extremes" I guess you could say. Like you get more anime TV shows that have essentially no sexual content at all. Attack on Titan or Death Note for example. But you also get animes that take it further than even shows like Girls or Game of Thrones do. It seems to me though that's there more Western TV shows that have some kind of middle ground you could say. Even the hospital, courtroom drama, and detective shows that my mom watches for example show characters hooking up sometimes. I actually think Western TV shows are more prone to inserting sexual content where it doesn't really fit the atmosphere of the show. Like Black Sails for example showing bisexual threesomes when the show is about 18th century pirates. But at the same time, I think other Western TV shows when the sexual content is appropriate for the atmosphere don't go far enough because its considered inappropriate or low-brow writing to overtly make a scene feel pornographic or focus on how attractive a female character is. While one could easily make a decent argument for either side in terms of on-screen depictions of sexual moments. There's absolutely no question about which one depicts more sexualized characters wearing skimpy outfits, showing their panties, and has more camera angles specifically for lewding the female characters. Perhaps the biggest reason why there's a perception that anime writers have more freedom than Western writers when it comes to sexual content though is the freedom anime writers have to use teenage characters in these situations. On the issue of teenage sexuality, Western writers have to tip-toe more lest they be accused of sexualizing minors whereas Japanese writers don't need to show any subtlety whatsoever and can depict teenage sexuality in a more honest manner. To me that indicates that anime writers are less concerned with broad appeal than they are with niche appeal. Attack on Titan for example doesn't have any sex in it probably because the writers didn't think it fit the atmosphere of the show. In cases where it does fit the atmosphere though, you get shows like Kiss X Sis, Valkyrie Drive, and Ishuzoku Reviewers which blow way past anything I've ever seen on American television. My issue with a lot of fanservice or ecchi a lot of it doesn't feel natural or realistic. Plus I just find the creators would rather put in slap stick than developing the relationships of a character. That actually develops the plot and still can be sexy. Natural scenes like shower scenes I am fine with because again people take showers lol. Hentai tends to feel more realistic because it can often just deal with people having sex for the first time or delving into their relationship more. Not saying it doesn't have tons of ridiculous stuff (of course lol) but there is way more natural depictions of sexual appeal/intimacy in my opinion. Western content does like things to be what I would argue gritty or grounded. Sometimes that goes too far when so much of it feels like it always has to have this sense of grit. Things can't be cute or innocent it always has to focus on the raw primalness of sexual desire. I guess that's just my interpretation. I do agree some scenes just come out of nowhere I was thinking on two characters in The Expanse just getting together out of nowhere right off a scene that just didn't feel like it set the mood at all. Like hey we got 2 minutes lets get Dominique Tipper's boobs out. It's like the opposite problem that is common in anime where you have build up but no actual relationship. Of course sure in an ecchi anime there is more on screen common depictions of sexual content but it rarely is more extreme than a pinup. Though it just depends I suppose. Also in terms of freedom again depends on the medium Daenarys was canoically 13 when she was raped by Drogo in GOT and good old HBO and the viewers decided to glamorize that relationship lol. One of the biggest sellers in Western fiction folks. |
BilboBaggins365Apr 14, 2020 2:52 PM
| Honestly it depends. On the one hand, there are some ecchi anime that do it right, and even use it as part of their plot (Highschool DxD for one, and Yosuga no Sora for another). On the other hand, you also get the mess of Interspecies Reviewers, which should have just taken a hentai route, and you get all of the trashy siscon animes that have aired since Eromanga Sensei. Some animes are just ecchi for no apparent reason at all, like that one Demon Lord anime, and it really ruins the plot. Other animes don't use ecchi as plot points, but might use it as comedy, like Cautious Hero. It's all a balance, and there's really no right or wrong. My arguments can also translate over to other genres, such as Isekai, where some animes do it right, and other animes are just generic harem trash. |
 My biggest regret: Reading all 200+ chapters of Kanojo, Okarishimasu |
It seems like it. Ecchi lovers are obviously gonna be cool with me, and most of the non-ecchi lovers at least consider my type of people more tolerable than your type. It seems to me that people like you have provoked anger from everyone even the ones who aren't ecchi lovers. TolkienFan365 said: Ryuk9428 said: Aki Sora I think one could definitely make the argument that its just hentai without showing genitals. It seems to me that the hentai tag simply applies when genitals are shown regardless of the pixelation. Devilman: Crybaby definitely seems like it was made to appeal to Western tastes. I remember one scene for example of rappers at a dock who have all the bling and I couldn't help but wonder how common guys like that really are in Japan. I think with anime, compared to Western TV shows, we get more "extremes" I guess you could say. Like you get more anime TV shows that have essentially no sexual content at all. Attack on Titan or Death Note for example. But you also get animes that take it further than even shows like Girls or Game of Thrones do. It seems to me though that's there more Western TV shows that have some kind of middle ground you could say. Even the hospital, courtroom drama, and detective shows that my mom watches for example show characters hooking up sometimes. I actually think Western TV shows are more prone to inserting sexual content where it doesn't really fit the atmosphere of the show. Like Black Sails for example showing bisexual threesomes when the show is about 18th century pirates. But at the same time, I think other Western TV shows when the sexual content is appropriate for the atmosphere don't go far enough because its considered inappropriate or low-brow writing to overtly make a scene feel pornographic or focus on how attractive a female character is. While one could easily make a decent argument for either side in terms of on-screen depictions of sexual moments. There's absolutely no question about which one depicts more sexualized characters wearing skimpy outfits, showing their panties, and has more camera angles specifically for lewding the female characters. Perhaps the biggest reason why there's a perception that anime writers have more freedom than Western writers when it comes to sexual content though is the freedom anime writers have to use teenage characters in these situations. On the issue of teenage sexuality, Western writers have to tip-toe more lest they be accused of sexualizing minors whereas Japanese writers don't need to show any subtlety whatsoever and can depict teenage sexuality in a more honest manner. To me that indicates that anime writers are less concerned with broad appeal than they are with niche appeal. Attack on Titan for example doesn't have any sex in it probably because the writers didn't think it fit the atmosphere of the show. In cases where it does fit the atmosphere though, you get shows like Kiss X Sis, Valkyrie Drive, and Ishuzoku Reviewers which blow way past anything I've ever seen on American television. My issue with a lot of fanservice or ecchi a lot of it doesn't feel natural or realistic. Plus I just find the creators would rather put in slap stick than developing the relationships of a character. That actually develops the plot and still can be sexy. Natural scenes like shower scenes I am fine with because again people take showers lol. Hentai tends to feel more realistic because it can often just deal with people having sex for the first time or delving into their relationship more. Not saying it doesn't have tons of ridiculous stuff (of course lol) but there is way more natural depictions of sexual appeal/intimacy in my opinion. Western content does like things to be what I would argue gritty or grounded. Sometimes that goes too far when so much of it feels like it always has to have this sense of grit. Things can't be cute or innocent it always has to focus on the raw primalness of sexual desire. I guess that's just my interpretation. I do agree some scenes just come out of nowhere I was thinking on two characters in The Expanse just getting together out of nowhere right off a scene that just didn't feel like it set the mood at all. Like hey we got 2 minutes lets get Dominique Tipper's boobs out. It's like the opposite problem that is common in anime where you have build up but no actual relationship. Of course sure in an ecchi anime there is more on screen common depictions of sexual content but it rarely is more extreme than a pinup. Though it just depends I suppose. Also in terms of freedom again depends on the medium Daenarys was canoically 13 when she was raped by Drogo in GOT and good old HBO and the viewers decided to glamorize that relationship lol. One of the biggest sellers in Western fiction folks. Yeah I agree with you on the emphasis regarding grit or being grounded in Western television. Its not like people consider sexual content to be inappropriate per say so much as I think a lot of avid TV watchers in the West consider stuff like ecchi which is erotic for the sake of being erotic to be low-brow. I think Daenarys relationship was ironically more okay with Western audiences because it was fucked up. It being fucked up indicates "showing reality in a grounded way." And because it was fucked up, that removes the erotic element of it. I think that where ecchi anime portrays teenage sexuality in a more honest way in that its not all gritty or a result of people being mature for their age. A lot of ecchi characters are immature but they still want to have sex with each other and it doesn't mean they will get pregnant or have their life ruined because of it. From what I've seen, if teenage sexuality is depicted in Western TV shows, there's a strong pressure to show it in some kind of negative light. Somebody gets pregnant, or they are having sex because they grew up too fast. There's some kind of undertone that its tragic in some way. Ecchi anime doesn't portray it this way, its more like its just a normal part of being a teenager which is something I haven't seen outside of sex comedies such as American Pie or Superbad but have yet to see in an episodic TV show. |
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Ryuk9428 said: It seems like it. Ecchi lovers are obviously gonna be cool with me, and most of the non-ecchi lovers at least consider my type of people more tolerable than your type. It seems to me that people like you have provoked anger from everyone even the ones who aren't ecchi lovers. Honestly, there exists a lot of things in non-anime culture that has sex. Game of Thrones is one of the more famous shows, and it has sex. Doesn't mean that anyone who watches GoT is a pervert. |
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| Damn ecchi has evolved into a culture now huh. But no, just like with movies even when there exist titles like Ilsa she wolf of SS, Ebola syndrome, The life and death of porno gang etc. those don't take anything away from rest of the medium nor make me think every movie goer likes such content. Similarly just because they air shows like Ex on the beach doesn't suddenly devalue merits of the whole medium. Meh I personally wish to see shows more with full on nudity, guts and violence to sharpen my edge. But I can't choose what gets produced, so I end up watching Beyblade. Also lol whoever tried to imply MiA is some high art, if only not for weird sexual tones. TolkienFan365 said: Devilman Crybaby yeah okay there is another one that is fair granted from what I heard of it again sounds like something that still would fit Western tastes (haven't watched it yet). I would argue Devilman Crybaby precisely was made to appeal international audience too. The 70's kids show was very popular in countries like Italy and over all the story's message is universally something desired and agreed on. Beside in Crybaby they removed any comical moments and characters plus went with less cartoony art style. If I personally would need to recommend someone Devilman version who had no idea what Go Nagai's works usually are, Crybaby would be the answer. Hell if I remember correctly someone back then when Crybaby came out posted on MAL link to some Japanese otaku reviewer who complained Devilman Crybaby didn't try to appeal to otakus. Ryuk9428 said: I think Daenarys relationship was ironically more okay with Western audiences because it was fucked up. It being fucked up indicates "showing reality in a grounded way." And because it was fucked up, that removes the erotic element of it. I think that where ecchi anime portrays teenage sexuality in a more honest way in that its not all gritty or a result of people being mature for their age. A lot of ecchi characters are immature but they still want to have sex with each other and it doesn't mean they will get pregnant or have their life ruined because of it. From what I've seen, if teenage sexuality is depicted in Western TV shows, there's a strong pressure to show it in some kind of negative light. Somebody gets pregnant, or they are having sex because they grew up too fast. There's some kind of undertone that its tragic in some way. Ecchi anime doesn't portray it this way, its more like its just a normal part of being a teenager which is something I haven't seen outside of sex comedies such as American Pie or Superbad but have yet to see in an episodic TV show. Pretty much every sex ed TV shows? For American shows American Horror Story, The O.C, The vampire diaries, i'm pretty sure The Carrie Diaries too had more intimate scenes with out any drama, for European the most obvious being Skins but I have watched non-english soap operas that had happy teenage couples (at least for most part) who did fuck even if it can't be showed. |
konkeloApr 14, 2020 4:12 PM
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PokestarFan said: Ryuk9428 said: It seems like it. Ecchi lovers are obviously gonna be cool with me, and most of the non-ecchi lovers at least consider my type of people more tolerable than your type. It seems to me that people like you have provoked anger from everyone even the ones who aren't ecchi lovers. Honestly, there exists a lot of things in non-anime culture that has sex. Game of Thrones is one of the more famous shows, and it has sex. Doesn't mean that anyone who watches GoT is a pervert. Of course not but it's not like anyone who has consumed hentai is either. HBO did market the show partially off the sexual tones. It got some clapback from people partially due to that. It's good marketing. There is a reason there are tons of compilations around scenes like that. Execution is a whole different argument but it does use the sexual content partially because people are drawn to it. |
TolkienFan365 said: But not all ecchi anime sell themselves on the fact that it's ecchi. There's a whole bunch of anime that are ecchi when that isn't even the main focus of the anime. PokestarFan said: Honestly, there exists a lot of things in non-anime culture that has sex. Game of Thrones is one of the more famous shows, and it has sex. Doesn't mean that anyone who watches GoT is a pervert. Of course not but it's not like anyone who has consumed hentai is either. HBO did market the show partially off the sexual tones. It got some clapback from people partially due to that. It's good marketing. |
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PokestarFan said: TolkienFan365 said: But not all ecchi anime sell themselves on the fact that it's ecchi. There's a whole bunch of anime that are ecchi when that isn't even the main focus of the anime. Of course not but it's not like anyone who has consumed hentai is either. HBO did market the show partially off the sexual tones. It got some clapback from people partially due to that. It's good marketing. Yeah I never argued that. Food Wars is a sports/tournament anime, Kill La Kill an action series. Even stuff like Redline has stuff like fanservice and is still an action series. Conversely even stuff that markets itself as a hentai or an ecchi isn't always just reduced to that. |
Ryuk9428 said: It seems like it. Ecchi lovers are obviously gonna be cool with me, and most of the non-ecchi lovers at least consider my type of people more tolerable than your type. It seems to me that people like you have provoked anger from everyone even the ones who aren't ecchi lovers. TolkienFan365 said: My issue with a lot of fanservice or ecchi a lot of it doesn't feel natural or realistic. Plus I just find the creators would rather put in slap stick than developing the relationships of a character. That actually develops the plot and still can be sexy. Natural scenes like shower scenes I am fine with because again people take showers lol. Hentai tends to feel more realistic because it can often just deal with people having sex for the first time or delving into their relationship more. Not saying it doesn't have tons of ridiculous stuff (of course lol) but there is way more natural depictions of sexual appeal/intimacy in my opinion. Western content does like things to be what I would argue gritty or grounded. Sometimes that goes too far when so much of it feels like it always has to have this sense of grit. Things can't be cute or innocent it always has to focus on the raw primalness of sexual desire. I guess that's just my interpretation. I do agree some scenes just come out of nowhere I was thinking on two characters in The Expanse just getting together out of nowhere right off a scene that just didn't feel like it set the mood at all. Like hey we got 2 minutes lets get Dominique Tipper's boobs out. It's like the opposite problem that is common in anime where you have build up but no actual relationship. Of course sure in an ecchi anime there is more on screen common depictions of sexual content but it rarely is more extreme than a pinup. Though it just depends I suppose. Also in terms of freedom again depends on the medium Daenarys was canoically 13 when she was raped by Drogo in GOT and good old HBO and the viewers decided to glamorize that relationship lol. One of the biggest sellers in Western fiction folks. Yeah I agree with you on the emphasis regarding grit or being grounded in Western television. Its not like people consider sexual content to be inappropriate per say so much as I think a lot of avid TV watchers in the West consider stuff like ecchi which is erotic for the sake of being erotic to be low-brow. I think Daenarys relationship was ironically more okay with Western audiences because it was fucked up. It being fucked up indicates "showing reality in a grounded way." And because it was fucked up, that removes the erotic element of it. I think that where ecchi anime portrays teenage sexuality in a more honest way in that its not all gritty or a result of people being mature for their age. A lot of ecchi characters are immature but they still want to have sex with each other and it doesn't mean they will get pregnant or have their life ruined because of it. From what I've seen, if teenage sexuality is depicted in Western TV shows, there's a strong pressure to show it in some kind of negative light. Somebody gets pregnant, or they are having sex because they grew up too fast. There's some kind of undertone that its tragic in some way. Ecchi anime doesn't portray it this way, its more like its just a normal part of being a teenager which is something I haven't seen outside of sex comedies such as American Pie or Superbad but have yet to see in an episodic TV show. Well they do have it lots of big hits like Twilight started out as teenage romances and glorified it. As another post said you do have teenage romances that do get intimate in Western fiction. I have seen it in YA books which is the equivalent of shonen/shojo manga that have content like that. The point I made about GOT they did glorify it towards the end of it. It was only really messed up when it started but eventually became about Daenarys taking power for herself and Drogo respecting it. I didn't see many people hate his character that much either. |
| >ecchi >culture This has to be the funniest thing I've read today. Ecchi ruin good anime. There's no reason for non-ecchi anime to have random ecchi elements in it. |
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Yeah because all you can contribute is to insult those you disagree with contributing very little to the conversation or community. It has very little to do with your views and everything to do with your attitude. Toxic communities are ones that eventually just boil down into nothing but personal insults over minor garbage like this. Main reason I ended up leaving the SW community way too toxic and tribalistic. |
TolkienFan365 said: My point was that ecchi does not result in low-quality anime, it has it's use. Just like everything else, it gets overused until it's boring, and at that point, you need to either step it up or stop using it. PokestarFan said: But not all ecchi anime sell themselves on the fact that it's ecchi. There's a whole bunch of anime that are ecchi when that isn't even the main focus of the anime. Yeah I never argued that. Food Wars is a sports/tournament anime, Kill La Kill an action series. Even stuff like Redline has stuff like fanservice and is still an action series. Conversely even stuff that markets itself as a hentai or an ecchi isn't always just reduced to that. |
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| Jesus, 9 fucking pages! Keep dancing puppets. |
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