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Zeroflamez said: Imagine living in a time where the West has its head so far shoved up its own ass that it actually believes only their values and beliefs are the only thing that matters and they know what's best for the rest of the world. It's funny how their moral/cultural superiority complex is so at odds with the diversity thing they claim to hold so dear. Kinda like the contradictory way they tackle issues of female "objectification". Religious fundamentalists, SJW puritans are cut from the same cloth. |
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| I'm noticing a fairly common theme here of alt-lite people saying that "problematic" is just a way of saying "it offends us". For once, however, you're quite right! However, I do not see how this somehow devalues everything else surrounding this. I see a bunch of you in here who's innately triggered by the mere fact that our ideology is on the rise and offended that we'd even consider encroaching on your safe space that is Japanese animation. On another note, buzzwords are only really meaningless in a context where the word is misused or altogether taken into a context it doesn't belong. If we, as the progressive folks we are, suddenly stopped using "problematic", it wouldn't stop anyone from dismissing our issues with the overall medium in the least. I feel it's also fairly important to note that I, personally, am not a puritan. I can appreciate sexuality just as much as any man and I do not want the traditional form of femininity to end. What I do advocate for is the dreaded word, diversifying what is acceptable as attractive. I do not speak of obesity or anything within the stratosphere as much as you'd want to pin such on me, but more in line with other body types. That is not to say we should dehumanize obese individuals. They, like any other, deserve humanization as much as anyone else does. Also, just for your information, I am in fact not American and my sensibilities do not altogether stem from that place. I'd be more sex-negative if that was the case, given their tendency for religious things. |
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America specifically. Other Western Countries got it too but they don't hold as much weight or power over the rest of the world like the U.S does. epidemia78 said: Zeroflamez said: Imagine living in a time where the West has its head so far shoved up its own ass that it actually believes only their values and beliefs are the only thing that matters and they know what's best for the rest of the world. It's funny how their moral/cultural superiority complex is so at odds with the diversity thing they claim to hold so dear. Kinda like the contradictory way they tackle issues of female "objectification". Religious fundamentalists, SJW puritans are cut from the same cloth. SJW's are literally the new "Christian bible thumpers" of the modern era. Christians were complaining about all the stuff SJW's are doing now for decades. However for whatever reason everyone paid the Christians no mind and here everyone is paying the SJW's mind and bending the knee and pull their pants down bending over to every demand. |
Tropisch said: You could at least make the effort to insert 4 more letters. I don't expect much from you, y'know but 'cmon.Ah, I see someone now spouting "If you disagree, you're alt (insert whatever here)!" Amazing. |
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Tylaen said: Tropisch said: You could at least make the effort to insert 4 more letters. I don't expect much from you, y'know but 'cmon.Ah, I see someone now spouting "If you disagree, you're alt (insert whatever here)!" Amazing. And now you resort to insults, cool. |
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Zeroflamez said: SJW's are literally the new "Christian bible thumpers" of the modern era. Christians were complaining about all the stuff SJW's are doing now for decades. However for whatever reason everyone paid the Christians no mind and here everyone is paying the SJW's mind and bending the knee and pull their pants down bending over to every demand. "Do what I say or face eternal damnation in the afterlife" is less effective persuasion than "Do what I say or I will ruin your reputation and get you fired from your job" |
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Tropisch said: I learn from the best and that is you, Trop.Tylaen said: You could at least make the effort to insert 4 more letters. I don't expect much from you, y'know but 'cmon. And now you resort to insults, cool. |
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| I'm so sorry, thepotatogirl. This probably wasn't what you hoped this thread would turn into. I'd hoped it would just fall by the wayside. A few people would post good responses, some others would post less good responses and then it would get locked for being too political. That last thing's probably still gonna happen fairly soon, so... I hope you at least got what you wanted out of it, whatever that was. Aight. g'night everybody. |
epidemia78 said: Zeroflamez said: SJW's are literally the new "Christian bible thumpers" of the modern era. Christians were complaining about all the stuff SJW's are doing now for decades. However for whatever reason everyone paid the Christians no mind and here everyone is paying the SJW's mind and bending the knee and pull their pants down bending over to every demand. "Do what I say or face eternal damnation in the afterlife" is less effective persuasion than "Do what I say or I will ruin your reputation and get you fired from your job" SJW's are just another beast in itself. They collectively hold way too much power that they have absolutely no business having.The irony of it all is the ones that claim to be standing up against injustice are the ones silencing and ruining people at the drop of the hat. Classic the bullied now becomes the bully scenario. A_Sad_Dust_Cloud said: I'm so sorry, thepotatogirl. This probably wasn't what you hoped this thread would turn into. I'd hoped it would just fall by the wayside. A few people would post good responses, some others would post less good responses and then it would get locked for being too political. That last thing's probably still gonna happen fairly soon, so... I hope you at least got what you wanted out of it, whatever that was. Aight. g'night everybody. People should know by now to not post these kinds of topics cause they won't get any other kind of response but like what's in here and every other thread like this made the past few days. I don't feel sorry for OP at all. |
| >problematic again different cultures and different laws as well as different social groups describes whats problematic china by law does not allow and ban certain anime and its themes/plot cultures like hardcore religious groups/country does not allow or ban sexual content especially sexualize lolis that are seen as pedophilia capitalists like the anime industry and funimation only wants to maximize profit by entering the global market but it will have to please many different cultures/laws/groups/country so obviously they will just use universally accepted themes and plots (and sexualize loli is not universally accepted for example heck i think japan is the only country that sexualize lolis in their entertainment) EDIT: japan could also strictly enforce the target audience labels (demographics) shonen is targeted for boys and with no mature themes like gore and sexual content (so why Attack on Titan is a shonen right now?) seinen is targeted for men and with mature themes like gore and sexual content (so why is K-ON a seinen right now?) same applies to shojo and josei that kind of labeling as well as the age ratings can hopefully lessen the fight between opposing target audiences |
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Hey_Taka-tin_Hey said: Honestly, I don't want to discuss this again so soon, I just want to compliment you on knowing how to properly post a (somewhat) political thread in Anime Discussion. You have to actually link it to anime somehow. It has to be relevant to the sub-forum. In this case, you linked your post to the effects of cultural norms when it comes to art. And anime being a global art form is part of that. Well done. The thread that got locked was essentially just propaganda. That's why I (and others like me, I'm sure) were so quick to report it. There was absolutely nothing to expand upon, it was just venting. PS: The post above mine... the one that just got deleted/edited... yikes, bro. PoyNoy, please. Deep fucking breaths. Lmao I fucking knew it. There are no lows that the left will not stoop to in order to convert the world to the new religion of wokeness. This thread is literally a response thread to mine but nobody will report it because the alt-lite is not full of insecure pussies who need the moderators to get rid of their opposition for them. |
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Zigizmund said: >problematic again different cultures and different laws as well as different social groups describes whats problematic china by law does not allow and ban certain anime and its themes/plot cultures like hardcore religious groups/country does not allow or ban sexual content especially sexualize lolis that are seen as pedophilia capitalists like the anime industry and funimation only wants to maximize profit by entering the global market but it will have to please many different cultures/laws/groups/country so obviously they will just use universally accepted themes and plots (and sexualize loli is not universally accepted for example heck i think japan is the only country that sexualize lolis in their entertainment) EDIT: japan could also strictly enforce the target audience labels (demographics) shonen is targeted for boys and with no mature themes like gore and sexual content (so why Attack on Titan is a shonen right now?) seinen is targeted for men and with mature themes like gore and sexual content (so why is K-ON a seinen right now?) same applies to shojo and josei that kind of labeling as well as the age ratings can hopefully lessen the fight between opposing target audiences laws do not define moral standards ... Abortion can be legal, but cannot be moral ... Killing Jews in Hitler's Germany is legal, but not moral ... therefore saying what is legal and what does not make sense. officials write laws, and moral values dictate traditional values and culture i never claimed laws and morals are the same? i just said chinas laws for example bans or censors anime with certain themes their government do not like >and moral values dictate traditional values and culture err one major source of morals is religion and religion is part of culture religion can dictate laws for example islam have those haram laws right? |
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Setsuei said: All this only matters to the people who are easily offended. Anyone capable of separating reality from fiction wouldn't be bothered by any of this. Or at least I'd like to think they wouldn't. are muslims easily offended here? In one of Kimetsu no Yaiba soundtracks there’s one track that contains “Adhan,” or the Islamic call to prayer. And it’s very inappropriate to mix it with music as it should be respected especially with the popularity of the show in the Middle East. https://twitter.com/ikureiji/status/1197237992441679872 |
Setsuei said: You're severely overestimating humanity here, my fellow human. Humans are easily swayed one way or another, otherwise entire industries wouldn't have researchers entirely dedicated to making the most manipulative ads to bore into your minds and cause you to purchase their wares due to familiarity. Media has power and your disregard of it is unwise.All this only matters to the people who are easily offended. Anyone capable of separating reality from fiction wouldn't be bothered by any of this. Or at least I'd like to think they wouldn't. Just look to fan-favorite Fox News for how to warp reality. |
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deg said: Setsuei said: All this only matters to the people who are easily offended. Anyone capable of separating reality from fiction wouldn't be bothered by any of this. Or at least I'd like to think they wouldn't. are muslims easily offended here? In one of Kimetsu no Yaiba soundtracks there’s one track that contains “Adhan,” or the Islamic call to prayer. And it’s very inappropriate to mix it with music as it should be respected especially with the popularity of the show in the Middle East. https://twitter.com/ikureiji/status/1197237992441679872 Umm..part of me wants to give an honest response and the other part thinks if I did it could completely be taken the wrong way..It's happened to me before..sooo..pass. |
Setsuei said: deg said: are muslims easily offended here? In one of Kimetsu no Yaiba soundtracks there’s one track that contains “Adhan,” or the Islamic call to prayer. And it’s very inappropriate to mix it with music as it should be respected especially with the popularity of the show in the Middle East. https://twitter.com/ikureiji/status/1197237992441679872 Umm..part of me wants to give an honest response and the other part thinks if I did it could completely be taken the wrong way..It's happened to me before..sooo..pass. damn you ban or censor yourself there but ye its problematic anyway lol |
Tylaen said: Setsuei said: You're severely overestimating humanity here, my fellow human. Humans are easily swayed one way or another, otherwise entire industries wouldn't have researchers entirely dedicated to making the most manipulative ads to bore into your minds and cause you to purchase their wares due to familiarity. Media has power and your disregard of it is unwise.All this only matters to the people who are easily offended. Anyone capable of separating reality from fiction wouldn't be bothered by any of this. Or at least I'd like to think they wouldn't. Just look to fan-favorite Fox News for how to warp reality. I'm fully aware of this. I know people are easily swayed by false news and things of that nature. What I'm saying is that hopefully at least a fraction of these people are able to tell the difference between real life and cartoons or other fictional media. |
Setsuei said: I was making the comparison that even fictional media such as cartoons have the power to normalize certain things, in spite of its unreal basis. It's not a matter of separating dragons from paved roads, it's a matter of human behavior and perceived norms.Tylaen said: You're severely overestimating humanity here, my fellow human. Humans are easily swayed one way or another, otherwise entire industries wouldn't have researchers entirely dedicated to making the most manipulative ads to bore into your minds and cause you to purchase their wares due to familiarity. Media has power and your disregard of it is unwise. Just look to fan-favorite Fox News for how to warp reality. I'm fully aware of this. I know people are easily swayed by false news and things of that nature. What I'm saying is that hopefully at least a fraction of these people are able to tell the difference between real life and cartoons or other fictional media. |
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Tylaen said: Setsuei said: I was making the comparison that even fictional media such as cartoons have the power to normalize certain things, in spite of its unreal basis. It's not a matter of separating dragons from paved roads, it's a matter of human behavior and perceived norms.I'm fully aware of this. I know people are easily swayed by false news and things of that nature. What I'm saying is that hopefully at least a fraction of these people are able to tell the difference between real life and cartoons or other fictional media. That's why we need government censorship to prevent the spread of certain unsavory ideas to humans who lack the intellectual capacity to make correct choices in life....right comrade? |
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deg said: Setsuei said: Umm..part of me wants to give an honest response and the other part thinks if I did it could completely be taken the wrong way..It's happened to me before..sooo..pass. damn you ban or censor yourself there but ye its problematic anyway lol Yes, me commenting on this could be problematic. But there's a difference between that and a fictional person doing fictional things to other fictional people. I'm not going to argure for or against the Kimetsu no Yaiba soundtrack you mentioned though...I see that as a completely separate issue. |
epidemia78 said: The more I've lived, the more I've found it's rarely an intellectual capacity but more of an emotional capacity to care for others.Tylaen said: I was making the comparison that even fictional media such as cartoons have the power to normalize certain things, in spite of its unreal basis. It's not a matter of separating dragons from paved roads, it's a matter of human behavior and perceived norms. That's why we need government censorship to prevent the spread of certain unsavory ideas to humans who lack the intellectual capacity to make correct choices in life....right comrade? Oh and I'm not Russian, but I'm certain the government system I reside in would be close enough for you to call me "comrade" given how afraid of sharing many are =] |
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Tylaen said: Setsuei said: You're severely overestimating humanity here, my fellow human. Humans are easily swayed one way or another, otherwise entire industries wouldn't have researchers entirely dedicated to making the most manipulative ads to bore into your minds and cause you to purchase their wares due to familiarity. Media has power and your disregard of it is unwise.All this only matters to the people who are easily offended. Anyone capable of separating reality from fiction wouldn't be bothered by any of this. Or at least I'd like to think they wouldn't. Just look to fan-favorite Fox News for how to warp reality. What exactly are you comparing manipulative ads and mainstream news outlets with? Some Japanese cartoon with fan service gags? Since when do they serve the same purpose? Is the part where the guy accidentally exposes her titties actually trying to tell me it's alright, and not merely sexually laden taboo humor... Go on SJW, persecute the creators and fans. They are sexist pigs perpetuating negative views on women! Escapist fiction is brainwashing! We all know they aren't capable of self-reflection, that's why these dirty otaku pose such a threat to society...take away their niche... Burn it all! |
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Esquirtit said: I'm not going to be playing mister-literal with you, guy. Tylaen said: You're severely overestimating humanity here, my fellow human. Humans are easily swayed one way or another, otherwise entire industries wouldn't have researchers entirely dedicated to making the most manipulative ads to bore into your minds and cause you to purchase their wares due to familiarity. Media has power and your disregard of it is unwise. Just look to fan-favorite Fox News for how to warp reality. What exactly are you comparing manipulative ads and mainstream news outlets with? Some Japanese cartoon with fan service gags? Since when do they serve the same purpose? Is the part where the guy accidentally exposes her titties actually trying to tell me it's alright, and not merely sexually laden taboo humor... Go on SJW, persecute the creators and fans. They are sexist pigs perpetuating negative views on women! Escapist fiction is brainwashing! We all know they aren't capable of self-reflection, that's why these dirty otaku pose such a threat to society...take away their niche... Burn it all! |
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Tylaen said: Esquirtit said: I'm not going to be playing mister-literal with you, guy. What exactly are you comparing manipulative ads and mainstream news outlets with? Some Japanese cartoon with fan service gags? Since when do they serve the same purpose? Is the part where the guy accidentally exposes her titties actually trying to tell me it's alright, and not merely sexually laden taboo humor... Go on SJW, persecute the creators and fans. They are sexist pigs perpetuating negative views on women! Escapist fiction is brainwashing! We all know they aren't capable of self-reflection, that's why these dirty otaku pose such a threat to society...take away their niche... Burn it all! You don't much to say anyway. You realise you're a stereotypical moralfag like? The exact same argument you use can be used for violence in media. I'm just gonna go and guess you're not concerned with that all for arbitrary reasons. |
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Esquirtit said: As I said, I'm not going to be playing mister-literal with you. It's not a one-to-one translation.Tylaen said: I'm not going to be playing mister-literal with you, guy. You don't much to say anyway. You realise you're a stereotypical moralfag like? The exact same argument you use can be used for violence in media. I'm just gonna go and guess you're not concerned with that all for arbitrary reasons. And yes, I'm a moralfag. I'm totes gay for moral righteousness unless you meant "fag" as in cigarette but I have my doubts. |
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Tylaen said: Setsuei said: I was making the comparison that even fictional media such as cartoons have the power to normalize certain things, in spite of its unreal basis. It's not a matter of separating dragons from paved roads, it's a matter of human behavior and perceived norms.I'm fully aware of this. I know people are easily swayed by false news and things of that nature. What I'm saying is that hopefully at least a fraction of these people are able to tell the difference between real life and cartoons or other fictional media. Yeah...I understand what you're saying. Its just in my mind it's completely pointless to get offended by something that isn't based in reality, so I have a hard time wrapping my brain around it. I have the exact same reaction when I hear about people being offended by certain jokes because to me they're just that...a joke |
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| It's a shame that in her critique, the OP was completely blind to the harmful stereotypes against male characters, such that it's often okay to beat them up for no reason, or that they are often dumb hunks that need to be told what to do. But the overall point should not be taken lightly. Of course there can be problematic anime. When a protagonist picks up slave girls and train them, it's problematic even if he is "nice". When the protagonist outright buys a slave girl at an auction so she could be his bride, it is extremely more problematic than Beauty and the Beast. When "tsundere" or "yandere" are shown to be acceptable or even desirable behavior, that is extremely problematic. I won't enumerate down the whole list. I've probably offended enough chauvinistic incels who wish they lived in the 50s. |
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Tylaen said: Esquirtit said: As I said, I'm not going to be playing mister-literal with you. It's not a one-to-one translation.You don't much to say anyway. You realise you're a stereotypical moralfag like? The exact same argument you use can be used for violence in media. I'm just gonna go and guess you're not concerned with that all for arbitrary reasons. And yes, I'm a moralfag. I'm totes gay for moral righteousness unless you meant "fag" as in cigarette but I have my doubts. You're totes for moral righteousness but absolutely not to be confused with that dangerous form of morality that Fox News watchers adhere to. |
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epidemia78 said: Oh, you're being a mister-literal today Epi? I'm glad you're feeling inspired by your comrades!Tylaen said: As I said, I'm not going to be playing mister-literal with you. It's not a one-to-one translation. And yes, I'm a moralfag. I'm totes gay for moral righteousness unless you meant "fag" as in cigarette but I have my doubts. You're totes for moral righteousness but absolutely not to be confused with that dangerous form of morality that Fox News watchers adhere to. And yes, I suppose in your view my ideology would be just as dangerous. I guess I just fail to see how human empathy compares to the active discrimination of certain folks, but what do I know! I'm just a dumb SJW with a boner made of feminazi thoughts :D backdoornight said: Senpai has noticed you. Do not worry! I'm certain not understanding biochemistry runs in your ideology.Before this thread gets locked: no one can top the guy that got really personal about a certain food stereotype and went straight to retrieve the ole fateful 50 minute video from their favorite breadtuber. It's actually ironic how much credence that lends to said stereotype. |
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Tylaen said: Esquirtit said: As I said, I'm not going to be playing mister-literal with you. It's not a one-to-one translation.You don't much to say anyway. You realise you're a stereotypical moralfag like? The exact same argument you use can be used for violence in media. I'm just gonna go and guess you're not concerned with that all for arbitrary reasons. And yes, I'm a moralfag. I'm totes gay for moral righteousness unless you meant "fag" as in cigarette but I have my doubts. I don't understand what you mean with ''mister-literal''. I've seen you complain about fan service tropes in a very hostile way and seeing you now use the ''normalization'' argument in regards to problematic things in anime made me question if that's the root cause for your oppostion towards it. If it's not I don't understand your response to @Setsuei because all he said is that people should be less offended because it's just fiction. I can only interpret it as moralfaggotry in which case you should also have the same standard for violence, if not your logic is broken. |
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Tylaen said: Oh, you're being a mister-literal today Epi? I'm glad you're feeling inspired by your comrades! And yes, I suppose in your view my ideology would be just as dangerous. I guess I just fail to see how human empathy compares to the active discrimination of certain folks, but what do I know! I'm just a dumb SJW with a boner made of feminazi thoughts :D You almost did the ol "it's called being a decent human being, sweety" thing you are literally the SJW stereotype made flesh |
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katsucats said: It's a shame that in her critique, the OP was completely blind to the harmful stereotypes against male characters, such that it's often okay to beat them up for no reason, or that they are often dumb hunks that need to be told what to do. But the overall point should not be taken lightly. Of course there can be problematic anime. When a protagonist picks up slave girls and train them, it's problematic even if he is "nice". When the protagonist outright buys a slave girl at an auction so she could be his bride, it is extremely more problematic than Beauty and the Beast. When "tsundere" or "yandere" are shown to be acceptable or even desirable behavior, that is extremely problematic. I won't enumerate down the whole list. I've probably offended enough chauvinistic incels who wish they lived in the 50s. agree! I kinda get confused when ppl get all hot and bothered about a boy being a ‘pussy’ in a certain context when it’s perfectly acceptable... like if a boy ever cries after getting beaten up everyone loses their shit, but if that were a girl everyone would say it’s fine and normal... it’s dehumanizing :P (even though I think ladies have gotten more shit overall.) |
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Esquirtit said: Just as I do not believe someone sitting down to play Resident Evil 3 stands up the next day and shoots someone eating a mushroom, I don't believe that someone goes out the door after they've watched Kodomo no Jikan to dick the first minor in their vicinity.Tylaen said: As I said, I'm not going to be playing mister-literal with you. It's not a one-to-one translation. And yes, I'm a moralfag. I'm totes gay for moral righteousness unless you meant "fag" as in cigarette but I have my doubts. I don't understand what you mean with ''mister-literal''. I've seen you complain about fan service tropes in a very hostile way and seeing you now use the ''normalization'' argument in regards to problematic things in anime made me question if that's the root cause for your oppostion towards it. If it's not I don't understand your response to @Setsuei because all he said is that people should be less offended because it's just fiction. I can only interpret it as moralfaggotry in which case you should also have the same standard for violence, if not your logic is broken. The contextual use of violence as well as the contextual use of tropes is important, and the nuances of seperating a game that aims to be train terrorists from the middle east to engage is combat is vastly different from just the standard video-game. It's why, as you seem to be actively following my posts, I've also frequently brought up the concept of context being important. Context aids in normalization, whether because the message was positive or negative. Also, moralfaggotry as an insult is homophobic but I'm sure you do that on purpose :p epidemia78 said: Thank you! I do my best to meet expectations. It's been an honor!Tylaen said: Oh, you're being a mister-literal today Epi? I'm glad you're feeling inspired by your comrades! And yes, I suppose in your view my ideology would be just as dangerous. I guess I just fail to see how human empathy compares to the active discrimination of certain folks, but what do I know! I'm just a dumb SJW with a boner made of feminazi thoughts :D You almost did the ol "it's called being a decent human being, sweety" thing you are literally the SJW stereotype made flesh |
TylaenApr 4, 2020 5:15 PM
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katsucats said: It's a shame that in her critique, the OP was completely blind to the harmful stereotypes against male characters, such that it's often okay to beat them up for no reason, or that they are often dumb hunks that need to be told what to do. But the overall point should not be taken lightly. Of course there can be problematic anime. When a protagonist picks up slave girls and train them, it's problematic even if he is "nice". When the protagonist outright buys a slave girl at an auction so she could be his bride, it is extremely more problematic than Beauty and the Beast. When "tsundere" or "yandere" are shown to be acceptable or even desirable behavior, that is extremely problematic. I won't enumerate down the whole list. I've probably offended enough chauvinistic incels who wish they lived in the 50s. This. This right here is the kind of thought process I don't understand. So, If I read this correctly, anyone who watches and enjoys shows that contain these types of themes/premises is automatically a "chauvinistic incel" in your eyes. If that's indeed you're stance on this issue, then from my point of view, you're stance on this is far more problematic than anything that takes place in a fictional world. I hate to break it to you, but just because you watch stuff like that doesn't mean you endorse that kind of behavior in real life...That's like saying I'm highly likely to ground someones parents into chili or try to reform the nazi party just because I saw Cartman do it on South Park. |
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Tylaen said: Esquirtit said: Just as I do not believe someone sitting down to play Resident Evil 3 stands up the next day and shoots someone eating a mushroom, I don't believe that someone goes out the door after they've watched Kodomo no Jikan to dick the first minor in their vicinity.I don't understand what you mean with ''mister-literal''. I've seen you complain about fan service tropes in a very hostile way and seeing you now use the ''normalization'' argument in regards to problematic things in anime made me question if that's the root cause for your oppostion towards it. If it's not I don't understand your response to @Setsuei because all he said is that people should be less offended because it's just fiction. I can only interpret it as moralfaggotry in which case you should also have the same standard for violence, if not your logic is broken. Yes no shit we're talking about normalization not straight up copying. Now I undersand what you mean with ''mister-literal'', but sorry you butchered this conversation from the beginning by extending the conversation to manipulative ads and mainstream news outlets which do in fact serve the purpose of normalizing behaviours and thoughts. That's why in my first reply, I ask you if you can even compare it with fan service gags in anime. Tylaen said: The contextual use of violence as well as the contextual use of tropes is important, and the nuances of seperating a game that aims to be train terrorists from the middle east to engage is combat is vastly different from just the standard video-game. Bro, what? How is that nuanced? Man said "seperating a game that aims to be train terrorists from the middle east to engage is combat'' this shouldn't even be in a conversation when talking about normalization. Does the CIA have a shop where they sell these games? Tylaen said: It's why, as you seem to be actively following my posts, I've also frequently brought up the concept of context being important. Context aids in normalization, whether because the message was positive or negative. What is the message in a fan service gag though? When is positive or negative to you? If we're talking nonconsensual gags, I can argue it's not meant to be taken literally because it's a seperate world and that viewers understand this. What exactly is the normalization here? Tylaen said: Also, moralfaggotry as an insult is homophobic but I'm sure you do that on purpose :p Not to be homophobic. It implies obsession (moefag, shounenfag, ecchifag etc). Can you just give an example of what you consider to be problematic in anime and then explain how it's normalizing it. |
EsquirtitApr 4, 2020 5:51 PM
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backdoornight said: Before this thread gets locked: no one can top the guy that got really personal about a certain food stereotype and went straight to retrieve the ole fateful 50 minute video from their favorite breadtuber. It's actually ironic how much credence that lends to said stereotype. LOL bro. When I dropped the soy milk. That dude just fucking lost it and got super defensive. Having to prove I'm wrong. It's comical. They just prove the point of it giving them Estrogen on their own. |
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