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Yiuumii said: It may be me but what I am curious about is, when they get the embryo how they know its their beloved one? Yep, I was wondering about that too. I think it might be an actual plothole though. I mean, as I understand the Mushi produce only one embryo for every human they consume, but when Mio (the mother) was offered those embryo pearls, it didn't matter which one she would take. So in the end, it just doesn't seem to fully make sense. I mean this mushi, as fasr as I understood, eats fish n stuff aswell? What about if they take like a fish embryo, will they accidentaly give birth to an fish? I am confused XD Haha, that would be ridiculous. To me, it didn't seem like the Mushi ate fish as well, but the reason why they wouldn't do so is a mystery tbh... It has already been three months since your comment, but I thought I'd also give my thoughts on it anyway. |
| This is also a fascinating episode, which deals with a theme that is deeply felt by the human being. Ginko is further characterized in this episode. |
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Tomo_01 said: Yiuumii said: I mean this mushi, as fasr as I understood, eats fish n stuff aswell? What about if they take like a fish embryo, will they accidentaly give birth to an fish? I am confused XD Haha, that would be ridiculous. To me, it didn't seem like the Mushi ate fish as well, but the reason why they wouldn't do so is a mystery tbh... It has already been three months since your comment, but I thought I'd also give my thoughts on it anyway. Ginko explained that the embryo the Mushi creates is basically the starting point for every living creature. Not sure if he made this super clear, but I figured that the embryo, since it can turn into any living being, turns into a newborn of the mother's species. Creepiest episode so far but gets you thinking. |
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LOAD said: Tomo_01 said: Haha, that would be ridiculous. To me, it didn't seem like the Mushi ate fish as well, but the reason why they wouldn't do so is a mystery tbh... It has already been three months since your comment, but I thought I'd also give my thoughts on it anyway. Ginko explained that the embryo the Mushi creates is basically the starting point for every living creature. Not sure if he made this super clear, but I figured that the embryo, since it can turn into any living being, turns into a newborn of the mother's species. Creepiest episode so far but gets you thinking. Ah, alright, that sounds like a logical explanation. Can you also make sense of the fact that specific people are reborn? |
Tomo_01 said: Ah, alright, that sounds like a logical explanation. Can you also make sense of the fact that specific people are reborn? Woah, unexpected reply lmaaao I'm surprised you remember this episode so well Hm, yeah that wasn't really cleared up in the episode. But I'm guessing it's that since the islanders let their relatives die there no purpose in order to have them reborn, they know to collect the embryo soon after the mushi eats their relative. The embryo must then be their relative. I'm not too sure about the mushi only producing 1 embryo per 1 human eaten. I don't remember Ginko (or any other character) saying that. Ginko refers to them as "islanders"- I can't imagine there being that many people living on an island community. Probably highly unlikely that two people would die (to be reborn) at the same time or almost at the same time. |
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Haha, it definitely stuck with me, this episode. People wanting to revive their loved ones is very natural, and it kind of makes those rebirths feel justified, but when you think about how the islanders will consist of basically the same people forever, it just feels weird and wrong. There's also that whole deal with remarriages (or one, at least). If memories were retained, I could see people actually wanting that, although it would still be creepy. I think memories were lost though, but it makes for some thought-provoking material anyway. LOAD said: Hm, yeah that wasn't really cleared up in the episode. But I'm guessing it's that since the islanders let their relatives die there no purpose in order to have them reborn, they know to collect the embryo soon after the mushi eats their relative. The embryo must then be their relative. I'm not too sure about the mushi only producing 1 embryo per 1 human eaten. I don't remember Ginko (or any other character) saying that. Ginko refers to them as "islanders"- I can't imagine there being that many people living on an island community. Probably highly unlikely that two people would die (to be reborn) at the same time or almost at the same time. Yeah, it seemed like a small community. The rest of that explanation makes sense as well. If we assume sea life isn't very prominent, collecting an embryo at the right time should definitely be possible. |
babykeiji said: Hahaha! I love that Mushi. But it is extremely impossible. How bout the soul in the body? LOL! So, it differs upon every beliefs eh?! Heheheh! ^__^ I thought Ginko is going to die in that episode and gets rebirth on the next episode. Hahahahaha! Which soul? Do we have soul? We don't know. Then, that's not impossible, nor possible, we just don't know yet. I personally don't think it exist, so the episode perfectly makes sense to me, you just have to open your mind to other ways of thinking. Moreover, there's little we know about Mushi, we have yet to learn more about them, maybe in the 2nd season we get to know a lot more about them. |
katsup said: this was a good episode. though i wonder why the reborn-mother isana had the same thought about the sleeping. If her lifetime was taken away, wouldn't her personality be different possibly? hmmmmm. Her mother says that her personality is pretty different to her grandma's personality. But it is pretty normal her unconscious remembers things about her past life or that she has the same thoughts as she had in her previous life. That's because she's the same person, she just was born again in a different environment. |
ashllee said: katsup said: If her lifetime was taken away, wouldn't her personality be different possibly? hmmmmm. yeah that's my though too - if they were returned to their embryo state and "reborn" then the way they were raised etc should have an affect on their personality etc....i guess they just wanted to emphasize it?though ginko never actually knew what the mushi was either. It is true that if our environment during childhood changes, we develop a different personality. But don't forget she's reborn, not born, she's the same person, so I don't see that strange that she remembers some stuff from her previous life. Furthermore, we may all have a small "esence" that is present since we born which determines a range of how our personality will be. This is pure physolofy, so open your mind a bit and think wide, human mind is a complicated matter that we don't know a lot about yet. |
starshinesMonet said: katsup said: this was a good episode. though i wonder why the reborn-mother isana had the same thought about the sleeping. If her lifetime was taken away, wouldn't her personality be different possibly? hmmmmm. The way I saw it, the mushi in this episode fed off their life-time and then produced an embryo of the same make-up. So, while the person that is raised might differ overall from the original, what we know about DNA and biology today,it makes sense some of those personality traits and instincts would have passed through, almost eerily to the next generation of embryo. I think this definitely fits into one of my top 10 favourite episodes of this series though. It is absolutely incredible. Yep, I pretty much agree on everything you said xD you are a wise man indeed, I like you. This is one amazing episode, that mushi is really really interesting, easy top 10. And yeah, we don't know much about human mind and with what we know till this day, this episode makes perfect sense. |
SPG_Anima said: babykeiji said: Hahaha! I love that Mushi. But it is extremely impossible. How bout the soul in the body? LOL! So, it differs upon every beliefs eh?! Heheheh! ^__^ I thought Ginko is going to die in that episode and gets rebirth on the next episode. Hahahahaha! Which soul? Do we have soul? We don't know. Then, that's not impossible, nor possible, we just don't know yet. I personally don't think it exist, so the episode perfectly makes sense to me, you just have to open your mind to other ways of thinking. Putting different beliefs aside, the show already established the in-universe existence of souls. However, I don't think that necessarily creates a logic gap. It's been a while since I've seen this episode, so bear with me... Wasn't it explained that the Mushi fed off the lifetime of people, and then produced an embryo of what is 'left over'? Then those things that were left over were people's DNA and their soul. |
Lol at the bamboo microscope. |
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| God Ginko's been really brushing shoulders with death these past 2 episodes, i'm begging to see a pattern here and i'm not sure i like it. But hay this is literally the closest thing to a literal New Game+ or kinda Isekai'ed i think we will ever see in this world that has pretty much 0 side effects. Except from emotionally traumatising a member of your family e.g someone's daughter being forced to give birth to their Aunt Betty after she got caught in a freak berry picking accident. |
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| Very good and nicely made episode, I guess the closer we come to an end the more we see of Ginko facing problems that could cost him his life. Thats not something I expected that much to see in this series |
| Ginko is having quite a hard time lately... |
| So does Mio had sex with her father??? |
| Is it an infinite cycle of the Mother-Daughter circle? The mother giving birth to her daughter, who in turn becomes the mother of the daughter. This episode was really confusing, it definitely reminded me of the Netflix TV series 'DARK'. |
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| At times, a child can be born resembling their parents or relatives to a degree of uncanniness. However, straight up reincarnation? That's usually in the realm of mysticism or religion. For Mushi-shi, they've brought up an interesting case of a reincarnation method that can be used on a whim, which brings up a lot of ethical questions I've never thought of before. In a sense, everyone on that island could have been reincarnated from previous ancestors, and therefore all these people are identical to their predecessors. Because of this, however, are these islanders their own selves, or are they just continuations of past people? Where is the individual in all this? Can you truly be yourself? The self that is eaten by the Uminaoshi loses all their time and is replaced by what is essentially a clone, yet not really. If given the opportunity, would you want to see a loved one reborn? Would they be the same person, or would they be a new person given the new context in which they're born into? If given the opportunity, would you wish to be reborn, despite losing all your memories? Or, rather, how would you know you were reborn? Would you recognize your past self as a separate person, or would you not even consider the past at all, and instead live just as yourself? I've seen a few stories about reincarnation, both in anime and elsewhere, but not to the degree of having reincarnation as a part of a culture. Furthermore, usually the act of reincarnation would be the cornerstone of the story, but in this case, it's more of a common happenstance that just happens to exist, as natural as the weather or the sun and moon. Interesting stuff. |
| I can't even fanthom the idea of raising your parent after they're gone, especially when the kid is a biologically exact replica of them. Parents and children taking turns raising each other every generation? Sheesh Also, was wondering if there was gonna be continuity from the last ep where Ginko got stabbed but I'm just gonna guess he healed up before checking out this island. |
| Beautiful and haunting episode. A mushi that offers hope and life. |
| Isana is a different person from Mana because she was raised in a different environment and person, so I guess what the mushi does is not necessarily "rebirth" but more akin to cloning. A clone is genetically identical but it is truly different from it's source as it is not raised in the same environment as its predecessor. |
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| Nah, man. This was simply too weird. Just imagine coaxing your own daughter into giving birth to your wife o_O |
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