Magia Record: Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story
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Zarator said: Am I the only one who's... a bit disappointed with the show, so far? As a person who absolutely loved the original Madoka, I feel less than impressed with what I've seen for now. Yes, the atmosphere is great. The music is great. But the story and characters are not really up on par with the original, for now. In a more general sense, the whole show reeks of serial escalation. There are too many witches, too many mahou shoujos, and the overall pace of the show is too fast (which is kinda surprising, considering it's a 2-cour show). Back in the original show, encounters with witches were climatic moments of the story, generally happening in the second half of the episode and leading to a really important event. Here, it's been only 2 episodes and we've already seen no less than 4 fights with witches (and, if I can count, at least 5 different witches). In fact, 1-2 of these fights almost felt forgettable plot-wise - just there for the sake of it. Similarly... what's the need with so many characters, so soon? I have almost forgotten about the girls we've seen in the first episode - were it not for the fact one of them is constantly shown in the OP and ED, so I gotta assume she'll be relevant. In the original, by contrast, the show took a lot more time to focus on the main trio (Madoka, Sayaka, Mami), while giving Homura a recurring presence that slowly built up her character for what happened next. Overall, it's not bad, and I've seen far worse in this season. But after 6-7 years of wait for another chapter in the franchise, I kinda hoped for something better. I just hope the show will vindicate itself eventually and not be another let down like S;G:0 was. Yeah, same here. Episode two is still a step up from episode one, but the pacing is way too fast, even compared to the original. So many witches have been introduced already and the time between the fights is so little. Nevermind that that time is spent not doing much set-up or establishing. In episode one, the only things set up were Iroha's sister and Kamihama. Though episode two has the complete opposite problem, with how basically immediately after getting introduced, two of the three magical girls end up fighting, which ends up feeling kinda forced and awkward. I wish they would've introduced those three much slower, maybe over two episodes. So far, the pacing of these first two episodes has been too fast or too slow, no perfect in-between. It's just so dissapointing that these characters (probably) won't even be able to hold a candle to the intricacy and complexity of the original cast. But then again, Inu Curry took over series composition for Gen Urobuchi, so I guess it's to be expected (with it being their first time doing this kind of thing). |
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ci_nagaoka said: Yeah, well... It's sort of hard to find a writer like Gen Urobuchi that makes clear references to classic literature and philosophy in anime and with such a grim nihilistic view on life. Besides, the original source is a game, made to sell... We always compare every new anime of dark magical girls with the original series of Madoka, but truth is not even Rebellion was able to live up to it. It's unreasonable to expect so much of Magia Record, that's why I'm happy enough with the content delivered to us so far... I just want to delve deeper into that universe. The writing of Selector Infected WIXOSS wasn't nearly as good as Madoka either, not with the same depth. It isn't the type of anime you watch a bunch of times and can always discover new stuff in the symbolism and details... For me, after the secret of the cards is solved, the "big twist" just seemed silly and childish, nothing complex that demands multiple viewings, so even though I had fun with it, the series just seemed... well, disposable. To be fair, I believe that Rebellion actually lives up to the main series - I was a bit confused the first time I watched it, but the more I rewatched it and the more I came to appreciate how thought-out the movie was, and how many things were foreshadowed much more cleverly than I had expected. Not to mention how, after rewatching the main series AFTER Rebellion, I feel like Rebellion makes even more sense than before. Similarly, WIXOSS may have had many flaws, and it certainly wasn't on par with Madoka, but at least it was more focused on its cast, and its pace - at least in the first season - was regular and steady, without many hiccups or odd accelerations. Overall, I agree that this show didn't need to be a masterwork, but it pains me because I feel it didn't need MUCH work to be better... and ffs if the source is bad you can just modify it, ofc when you adapt a game you need to make more changes than you'd make if you adapted a manga or LN (or even VN), since games are a very different storytelling medium (unless you're talking about Metal Gear Solid, hehe) |
| So ppl is complaining that 3 characters that was FIRST introduced in the 2nd episode for the FIRST TIME to not have character developments? What kind of Joke is this? It's like saying Sayaka doesnt have a character development since we barely see anything about her in the first eps since all we know at that time is that she and madoka are friends. We only get more development about Sayaka in LATER episodes after some stuff happen. And here some ppl is expecting big and awesome character development to 3 characters that just appeared for the first time in one episode????? |
amc9988 said: So ppl is complaining that 3 characters that was FIRST introduced in the 2nd episode for the FIRST TIME to not have character developments? What kind of Joke is this? It's like saying Sayaka doesnt have a character development since we barely see anything about her in the first eps since all we know at that time is that she and madoka are friends. We only get more development about Sayaka in LATER episodes after some stuff happen. And here some ppl is expecting big and awesome character development to 3 characters that just appeared for the first time in one episode????? There is a reason why they they are complaining, albeit not a good one, imo. They think the spin off will mirror the original series in structure and someone is gonna die in episode 3. To be honest, I doubt that would happen, it would be way too obvious... Besides, the story of the game doesn't seem to go that way... |
amc9988 said: So ppl is complaining that 3 characters that was FIRST introduced in the 2nd episode for the FIRST TIME to not have character developments? What kind of Joke is this? It's like saying Sayaka doesnt have a character development since we barely see anything about her in the first eps since all we know at that time is that she and madoka are friends. We only get more development about Sayaka in LATER episodes after some stuff happen. And here some ppl is expecting big and awesome character development to 3 characters that just appeared for the first time in one episode????? That it's why you shouldn't bother with any weekly episode discussion, they are full of dumb complains. |
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ci_nagaoka said: AyumiVk said: Seems like they are taking their time with the adaptation, it's 2 cour so that was expected. As far as I know, it hasn't been confirmed that the spin off will be a 2 cour. What is your source? Anime News Network says it will be only 13 episodes... https://twitter.com/AIR_News01/status/1204015563829153793 |
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amc9988 said: So ppl is complaining that 3 characters that was FIRST introduced in the 2nd episode for the FIRST TIME to not have character developments? What kind of Joke is this? It's like saying Sayaka doesnt have a character development since we barely see anything about her in the first eps since all we know at that time is that she and madoka are friends. We only get more development about Sayaka in LATER episodes after some stuff happen. And here some ppl is expecting big and awesome character development to 3 characters that just appeared for the first time in one episode????? I can’t speak for others who have an issue with this, but for me at least, it isn’t that they don’t have any character development. It’s simply that they’re introduced at the same time and weren’t given a striking introduction like (most of) the main characters in the original. These three new magical girls have no intrigue, even when not compared to the original cast. And when the anime then tries to have an “emotional moment” where Kaede and Rena fight, it falls completely flat. From the few chapters I’ve played from the Magia Record game, they are all introduced seperatedly and given their time and dialogue to flesh themselves out BEFORE asked to be emotionally invested in them. Their shared introduction just seems sloppy imo. |
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| I can agree that the pacing was a bit brisk this episode around, but overall I didn't mind too too much. So far I'm the most intrigued about Iroha and Ui still, though. I don't have many opinions about the new girls yet but can see myself beginning to invest more into them once they overcome this little trial of theirs (or don't, who knows). As always, fantastic visuals and music - as I'd expect from this franchise. The story isn't particularly grabbing me yet, but it's mildly fun enough to keep me entertained and at the end of the day, that's about all I could ask for in a gacha adaptation. Hoping it picks up in quality along the way, though. |
| Pacing this ep was quite fast - we are introduced to the three new girls and bam, there you go - but otherwise still decent. Moral of the episode, believe in urban legends! Juuuust in case. |
| This is not your planet to rule. The Fallen shall rise again. |
| A great episode. This brought even more questions than the first, and made me even more curious about this universe. I like how this story is getting right to the point, but I have a little fear about character development. Hope this will not be left aside. |
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| Alright! As someone who holds Madoka as their favorite anime of all time, and enjoys the mobile game, here are my thoughts so far. I agree that the pacing is a little breakneck. It's not really hurting the story but it doesn't feel too tight either. However, I believe it's done a fine job as far as two episodes can do in terms of characters. Yes there are a lot of girls this time around but that's why it's important to establish them quickly. And I like how subtle it's being about that. With Iroha, we see she does everything alone and is appealed to do things for classmates because of her easy personality. Her and Kuroe clearly don't share anything beyond a partnership. To counter this, we're introduced to Momoko's team - my favorite girls in the game! There's a lot more to them then we initially see, of course, but again, the devil is in the details here. We see that, while they are a team like Iroha and Kuroe, it goes beyond that. not just with how familiar they are with each other, but it's signaled by their matching keychains. Loved what they did with Rena here. In the game, she comes off as unreasonable in her avoidance of Kaede. But here we're shown immediately that she avoids her classmates, that she isn't a good people person and that she doesn't have any friends outside of Kaede and Momoko. By hinting at these deeper insecurities now, Rena comes off as a lot more sympathetic. It seems she herself wrote on the staircase as well, suggesting that perhaps her reaction to after Kaede ran away rocked her to her core. She sounded like she felt shitty, and this action suggests she cut off the friendship for good this time because she believed herself to be a POS. Poor girl. Knowing where the story goes from here, I'm excited for next episode. Rena is one of my faves. Overall, pacing issues aside, I'm into this so far. I can see why some aren't, because I'm going off pre-existing knowledge of the story, but I still think on it's own it's been solid and promising. It's subtle and showcases complexities in its characters, which is the strength of the game. Compared to Madoka I don't think it's right to go off about the og characters being better thus far. Mami sure but that's because of obvious reasons, and even then her true depths weren't implied until episode 3 and 10. Sayaka and Madoka at this point were simpler characters than Rena imo. |
Casul_Noob1997Jan 11, 2020 7:50 PM
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Casul_Noob1997 said: Alright! As someone who holds Madoka as their favorite anime of all time, and enjoys the mobile game, here are my thoughts so far. I agree that the pacing is a little breakneck. It's not really hurting the story but it doesn't feel too tight either. However, I believe it's done a fine job as far as two episodes can do in terms of characters. Yes there are a lot of girls this time around but that's why it's important to establish them quickly. And I like how subtle it's being about that. With Iroha, we see she does everything alone and is appealed to do things for classmates because of her easy personality. Her and Kuroe clearly don't share anything beyond a partnership. To counter this, we're introduced to Momoko's team - my favorite girls in the game! There's a lot more to them then we initially see, of course, but again, the devil is in the details here. We see that, while they are a team like Iroha and Kuroe, it goes beyond that. not just with how familiar they are with each other, but it's signaled by their matching keychains. Loved what they did with Rena here. In the game, she comes off as unreasonable in her avoidance of Kaede. But here we're shown immediately that she avoids her classmates, that she isn't a good people person and that she doesn't have any friends outside of Kaede and Momoko. By hinting at these deeper insecurities now, Rena comes off as a lot more sympathetic. It seems she herself wrote on the staircase as well, suggesting that perhaps her reaction to after Kaede ran away rocked her to her core. She sounded like she felt shitty, and this action suggests she cut off the friendship for good this time because she believed herself to be a POS. Poor girl. Knowing where the story goes from here, I'm excited for next episode. Rena is one of my faves. Overall, pacing issues aside, I'm into this so far. I can see why some aren't, because I'm going off pre-existing knowledge of the story, but I still think on it's own it's been solid and promising. It's subtle and showcases complexities in its characters, which is the strength of the game. Compared to Madoka I don't think it's right to go off about the og characters being better thus far. Mami sure but that's because of obvious reasons, and even then her true depths weren't implied until episode 3 and 10. Sayaka and Madoka at this point were simpler characters than Rena imo. And I see people having issue with name of the rumor (staircase of ending friendship). The rumor name is generally given by the school kids that makes it so obvious. I may be the one of the few who likes the current pacing. The anime doesn't skip anything and gives importance to what matters. I was happy to see Ren making an appearance (my favorite in character and commander of my team). I see why people compare it with Madoka Magica, where everyone was MC to Magia Record, where the MC so far are Iroha and Yachiyo. It's liking saying Hitomi had no character development in first episode (basically all we know she's some smart rich girl who loves the violin boy till date). |
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| I'm already excited for the next episode. That ending though, they will be stair bffs forever. |
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| Interesting episode I personally thought this episode was better than the last one. Feel a lot happened in this episode and I am looking forward to seeing what happens in future episodes I will stick with this for now |
| So did both of the girls that got in the fight get put into the stairs or only the red haired girl? |
| -Pretty rush episodes despite feeling incomplete. They throw too much info and characters and more question than answer. Drama feel real and tense so overall still ok episode. -Witch labyrinth and art style in general are really great. -Most peopole I see here said why SHAFT do this and don't that. But Magia Record has very difference main staff than original madoka and rebellion. Director and series composition are Gekidan Inu Curry, who only done special effect and Witch labyrinth for original series. It become even more apparent in this episode it is more Witch labyrinth like style even when not in Witch labyrinth... kinda Rebellion one. For example during fastfood resturant scene, texts on the transparent monitor change in response to Rena dialoge So I am expected for more trippy presentation, detail in background or lore thing from Inu Curry rather than.... Head tilt. Also No Urobuchi Gen or Kajiura so this show this pretty better than I expected from missing staff like this Also ED is fcking gooddddd |
Batena said: I am disappointed I don't like the main character, i just don't get it how could she be so useless and weak in every single fight. What's the point of her if kyoby gave her such weak powers One thing we can agree on is Iroha is a weak character when it comes to power. |
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| Don't expect Magireco to be a Madoka equal guys, just accept that it's almost certainly a watered down version and enjoy the ambience. It's still enjoyable, mind you. |
Lanz said: Don't expect Magireco to be a Madoka equal guys, just accept that it's almost certainly a watered down version and enjoy the ambience. It's still enjoyable, mind you. Magia Record will offend everyone, be it Magia Record players (for not following the game story), Madoka Magica fans (for not being as dark as original) and the new comers (confusing setup). |
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salarx said: Lanz said: Don't expect Magireco to be a Madoka equal guys, just accept that it's almost certainly a watered down version and enjoy the ambience. It's still enjoyable, mind you. Magia Record will offend everyone, be it Magia Record players (for not following the game story), Madoka Magica fans (for not being as dark as original) and the new comers (confusing setup). MagiReco fans should mostly be Madoka fans, so that's near irrelevant- if changed for the better most would let it slide And on the Madoka fan point that's what I was trying to say in my post |
| Damn. The dark element of Madoka Magica is back! I don't think Rena intentionally put her and Kaede's name on the staircase. Wonder how everything's gonna turn out. |
| This episode is so bad i change my rating from 9 into 7... This episode felt like an indication this anime direction would be more into slice of life about little girls' triffling problem that somehow become tragedy, instead of an epic journey involving godhood... Becuause this is a game adaptation n made to promote the game, ao they would introduce so many unnecessary characters. Such a letdown... If its just like my prediction i probably gonna drop this in episode 4. |
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salarx said: yep, i already felt disappointed with 2nd episode, because it seems this won't be as epic as the original series or the rebellion movie..Magia Record will offend everyone, be it Magia Record players (for not following the game story), Madoka Magica fans (for not being as dark as original) and the new comers (confusing setup). This anime felt to be made to promote the game -__- |
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| How am I supposed to care about these new girls' problems and conflicts when we barely get time to know them before they start fighting? It just feels like the show is throwing stuff at the wall, desperately hoping that something will make people interested outside of this being related to the original. Frankly, the mystery around Ui is interesting enough that we don't need this "Chain Witch", "Friendship Ending Staircase" and any of this other nonsense, at least not so soon. |
lswarmruler said: yep, i already felt disappointed with 2nd episode, because it seems this won't be as epic as the original series or the rebellion movie.. This anime felt to be made to promote the game -__- Original and Rebellion would always be epic, since they were original content. Magia Record is an adaptation so there are many (including me) who already know the story. Still I would say the story isn't bad and will wait to see if Shaft adds some flavor to it. But still it's too early to judge it based on the initial episodes that only introduce us to the basic plot. |
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Zarator said: Am I the only one who's... a bit disappointed with the show, so far? As a person who absolutely loved the original Madoka, I feel less than impressed with what I've seen for now. Yes, the atmosphere is great. The music is great. But the story and characters are not really up on par with the original, for now. In a more general sense, the whole show reeks of serial escalation. There are too many witches, too many mahou shoujos, and the overall pace of the show is too fast (which is kinda surprising, considering it's a 2-cour show). Back in the original show, encounters with witches were climatic moments of the story, generally happening in the second half of the episode and leading to a really important event. Here, it's been only 2 episodes and we've already seen no less than 4 fights with witches (and, if I can count, at least 5 different witches). In fact, 1-2 of these fights almost felt forgettable plot-wise - just there for the sake of it. Similarly... what's the need with so many characters, so soon? I have almost forgotten about the girls we've seen in the first episode - were it not for the fact one of them is constantly shown in the OP and ED, so I gotta assume she'll be relevant. In the original, by contrast, the show took a lot more time to focus on the main trio (Madoka, Sayaka, Mami), while giving Homura a recurring presence that slowly built up her character for what happened next. Overall, it's not bad, and I've seen far worse in this season. But after 6-7 years of wait for another chapter in the franchise, I kinda hoped for something better. I just hope the show will vindicate itself eventually and not be another let down like S;G:0 was. Spot on analysis expressed much better than I ever could have. I hope you're right and the show rises up to the standars of its predecessor. |
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Atavistic said: How am I supposed to care about these new girls' problems and conflicts when we barely get time to know them before they start fighting? It just feels like the show is throwing stuff at the wall, desperately hoping that something will make people interested outside of this being related to the original. Frankly, the mystery around Ui is interesting enough that we don't need this "Chain Witch", "Friendship Ending Staircase" and any of this other nonsense, at least not so soon. You don't need to care about them (not the main characters). They are mere tools to introduce us to the strange environment of Kamihama. You're not supposed to care about them if you don't (Also we know them as much as Iroha knows them, but she still cares for complete strangers). |
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| I like the girls and didn't mind the pacing. Their friendship was believable enough. Their fight worked because Iroha was there to feel awkward with us imo. She doesn't know who they are or understand their friendship and it was meant to feel sudden and overwhelming for both her and the viewer rather than make us feel emotional. I thought the rumor was sorta dumb. It doesn't feel like the type of thing kids would make up or become popular enough to make way into other cities. It's just a little too convoluted. If it was something like if you fight in this staircase the one who apologizes will get taken by the witch it would be better. I'm enjoying this so far, excited for next week. |
| Honestly think it's doing quite well from first two episodes. It's really showing us the basic plot bit by bit, and showing more of a dark and mystery sort of tone to it. Not everything has to be rushed in, some characters are prob even made to be spot fillers to push the story along. So no real development needed besides a few things. As for comments on Iroha being weak? To be fair, not every MC has to be super strong. Plus they did say that witches in that area are much stronger. Sooo. But that's just my take. |
Zarator said: As a person who absolutely loved the original Madoka, I feel less than impressed with what I've seen for now. Yes, the atmosphere is great. The music is great. But the story and characters are not really up on par with the original, for now. In a more general sense, the whole show reeks of serial escalation. There are too many witches, too many mahou shoujos, and the overall pace of the show is too fast (which is kinda surprising, considering it's a 2-cour show). You forgot that this is adaptation of mobile game. Sure it might not as you'd expect but hey this one's not bad! I think even the origina show,l the characters are none other than plot fodder (Homura is exception for that). It's very good direction that we got many magical girls and witches, it makes magica universe are not cramped. Keep in mind that the game has dozens of megucas, we got 6 so far and not counting the rest (see the OP for example). |
Death_spork said: Zarator said: As a person who absolutely loved the original Madoka, I feel less than impressed with what I've seen for now. Yes, the atmosphere is great. The music is great. But the story and characters are not really up on par with the original, for now. In a more general sense, the whole show reeks of serial escalation. There are too many witches, too many mahou shoujos, and the overall pace of the show is too fast (which is kinda surprising, considering it's a 2-cour show). You forgot that this is adaptation of mobile game. Sure it might not as you'd expect but hey this one's not bad! I think even the origina show,l the characters are none other than plot fodder (Homura is exception for that). It's very good direction that we got many magical girls and witches, it makes magica universe are not cramped. Keep in mind that the game has dozens of megucas, we got 6 so far and not counting the rest (see the OP for example). While a mobile game definitely has its own advantages over anime in terms of pacing and story telling, I think it's a pretty weak excuse to say that "it's an adaptation of a mobile game" and thus it should then be judged less harshly. The first two episodes don't follow the story of the mobile game at all, so it's not like Magia Record is restricted in trying to be a faithful adaptation. Also to say that the original cast is nothing more than plot fodder (other than Homura) seems, in my opinion, completely misguided and missing the point of each of the characters. Every single character had a unique relationship with the themes of the original show, such as hope, despair, selfishness, selflessness and wishes, and were crafted with much more nuance and complexity than from what I've seen from the cast of Magia Record so far. While yes, it's only been two episodes, the first few episodes of the original did a great job of introducing the world and the characters while also keeping the audience engaged and this one hasn't. Nevermind that Magia Record doesn't seem to put a lot of faith in its audience and spoon-feeds them information and character motivations instead of letting them figure it out for themselves. For example, the chain witch's familiars talking to Rena and explaining to the audience exactly what she feels, feels really forced and awkward. It's a classic example of why many writers advice to "show don't tell". The audience is smart enough to draw the conclusion between the chain witch and that Rena probably wrote her and Kaede's name on the stairs. But as if the audience need more confirmation, the familiars just start talking to her, something which witches and familiars have not been shown to even be capable of in the Madoka Magica universe. The original put much more faith in the audience to understand its characters and to let them draw their own conclusions. But if this cast turns out to be much more intriguing and complex than at first glance, I'd be happy to admit that I misjudged this anime, even though I honestly doubt that an anime with a beginning this shaky could live up to the original in any sort of way. |
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| Wow this episode covered alot of ground. Pretty fast pace and that is my biggest problem. I don't have the time to let things settle in, lol. I just could be getting old. haha. Visually stunning stunning episode. Can't wait for the 3rd. |
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Phosphollite said: For example, the chain witch's familiars talking to Rena and explaining to the audience exactly what she feels, feels really forced and awkward. It's a classic example of why many writers advice to "show don't tell". The audience is smart enough to draw the conclusion between the chain witch and that Rena probably wrote her and Kaede's name on the stairs. But as if the audience need more confirmation, the familiars just start talking to her, something which witches and familiars have not been shown to even be capable of in the Madoka Magica universe. The original put much more faith in the audience to understand its characters and to let them draw their own conclusions. Bold of you to assume it's a witch and it's minions. And yes the minions of the non-witch creature are supposed to talk. And the talk happened inside Rena's head probably (also are you forgetting that Specmura had people talking in her head before she was rescued by Mami and Madoka?). Don't you think the minions were trying to mess with Rena's head? Remember it's Magia Record and a Magical Girl's enemy may not be a witch here, and that's the strange thing about Kamihama. Kyubey and witches are not going to be the main antagonists of Madoka Magica series, so think a little out of the box. |
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EpicYarn said: milkclub said: I thought the rumor was sorta dumb. It doesn't feel like the type of thing kids would make up or become popular enough to make way into other cities. It's just a little too convoluted. If it was something like if you fight in this staircase the one who apologizes will get taken by the witch it would be better. I don't want to spoil it but I will say that there is more to the rumor than it seems His idea is almost on point. Isn't it if you break your friendship, the one to apologise get taken? Also |
salarxJan 12, 2020 9:37 AM
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| The only complaint that I have with this episode was that the pacing was on the quick side. If wouldn't hurt to slow things down a bit so the next part of the story could be better explained. It's still great, but it has the few issues that I think the show could improve on. The visual flair, on the other hand, was excellent. SHAFT really knows how to make certain scenes look really incredible and they didn't hold back with this second episode. I hope they keep this quality up as much as they can. =D Iroha's starting to warm up to me now. She's a bit clueless, but her commitment to finding out what happened to her sister is admirable. She's got the help of the three new magical girls now, but that happy feeling didn't last long as the little spat between Rena and Kaede blew up suddenly. Thank's to that, the rumour of the friendship breaking stairs seems to be true, so I do look forward to seeing how all of the girls, Momoko included, will deal with this situation. Not to forget, the ED song by ClariS was very nice, same with the nice mixture of animation and real life shots used together. =) |
LyvinhaSz said: when will Madoka show up? Mami and Kyouko will show up first before Madoka finally makes her appearance. |
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salarx said: Phosphollite said: For example, the chain witch's familiars talking to Rena and explaining to the audience exactly what she feels, feels really forced and awkward. It's a classic example of why many writers advice to "show don't tell". The audience is smart enough to draw the conclusion between the chain witch and that Rena probably wrote her and Kaede's name on the stairs. But as if the audience need more confirmation, the familiars just start talking to her, something which witches and familiars have not been shown to even be capable of in the Madoka Magica universe. The original put much more faith in the audience to understand its characters and to let them draw their own conclusions. Bold of you to assume it's a witch and it's minions. And yes the minions of the non-witch creature are supposed to talk. And the talk happened inside Rena's head probably (also are you forgetting that Specmura had people talking in her head before she was rescued by Mami and Madoka?). Don't you think the minions were trying to mess with Rena's head? Remember it's Magia Record and a Magical Girl's enemy may not be a witch here, and that's the strange thing about Kamihama. Kyubey and witches are not going to be the main antagonists of Madoka Magica series, so think a little out of the box. First off, I have no clue who this Specmura is who you're talking about. Even after looking on the Madoka wiki, I see nothing mentioning any "specmura" or anything of the sort. But getting back to my piont, iin Madoka Magica, witches have always been the main antagonists. They were replaced with wraiths in the "final" timeline and with nightmares in Homura's labyrinth (though they are obviously illusions created by Homura, thus could be considered something entirely different). And in every timeline, there always was one threat. So through series conventions, it's not out of place to assume that they're witches (but judging from your tone, I can assume that they're not). And yes, they were obviously taunting Rena and were obviously talking in her head considering Kaede didn't seem to notice the presence or voices of the familiars, but I still feel like it's cheesy and cheapens the experience. Like I said, I believe that in this instance "show, don't tell" very much applies. The mere presence of witch-like creatures surrounding Rena suggests that she wrote her and Kaede's names on the friendship ending stairs. But instead of a super heavy-handed, hamfisted approach where the familars spell out what Rena is thinking, I would've appreciated a much more subtle approach. It still could've ended on a shot of Rena and Kaede's name on the stairs, but it would've had much more of an impact if the audience figured that out for themselves. In the end, whether or not those creatures are witches or a witch's familiars doesn't change that I dislike how that scene was handled and that it was sloppily written. |
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Phosphollite said: salarx said: Bold of you to assume it's a witch and it's minions. And yes the minions of the non-witch creature are supposed to talk. And the talk happened inside Rena's head probably (also are you forgetting that Specmura had people talking in her head before she was rescued by Mami and Madoka?). Don't you think the minions were trying to mess with Rena's head? Remember it's Magia Record and a Magical Girl's enemy may not be a witch here, and that's the strange thing about Kamihama. Kyubey and witches are not going to be the main antagonists of Madoka Magica series, so think a little out of the box. First off, I have no clue who this Specmura is who you're talking about. Even after looking on the Madoka wiki, I see nothing mentioning any "specmura" or anything of the sort. But getting back to my piont, iin Madoka Magica, witches have always been the main antagonists. They were replaced with wraiths in the "final" timeline and with nightmares in Homura's labyrinth (though they are obviously illusions created by Homura, thus could be considered something entirely different). And in every timeline, there always was one threat. So through series conventions, it's not out of place to assume that they're witches (but judging from your tone, I can assume that they're not). And yes, they were obviously taunting Rena and were obviously talking in her head considering Kaede didn't seem to notice the presence or voices of the familiars, but I still feel like it's cheesy and cheapens the experience. Like I said, I believe that in this instance "show, don't tell" very much applies. The mere presence of witch-like creatures surrounding Rena suggests that she wrote her and Kaede's names on the friendship ending stairs. But instead of a super heavy-handed, hamfisted approach where the familars spell out what Rena is thinking, I would've appreciated a much more subtle approach. It still could've ended on a shot of Rena and Kaede's name on the stairs, but it would've had much more of an impact if the audience figured that out for themselves. In the end, whether or not those creatures are witches or a witch's familiars doesn't change that I dislike how that scene was handled and that it was sloppily written. Oh... I meant the non cool Homura of the initial time-line, Homura with Spectacles (Glasses). I was referring to the scene when Homura was just roaming and a witch barrier appears (Homura wasn't Magical Girl and powerless). Then Mami and Madoka appear and save Homura. Regarding you finding the chat between minions and Rena cheezy is your personal preference. But why would Rena write the names on staircase, what purpose does it serve, and did she really write the names, nobody knows for now (yeah, not even players of game since it's totally different from game). But if I'm to give my opinion, the minions were probably lying, probably brainwashing Kaede, and both Rena and Kaede could hear it. |
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salarx said: Phosphollite said: First off, I have no clue who this Specmura is who you're talking about. Even after looking on the Madoka wiki, I see nothing mentioning any "specmura" or anything of the sort. But getting back to my piont, iin Madoka Magica, witches have always been the main antagonists. They were replaced with wraiths in the "final" timeline and with nightmares in Homura's labyrinth (though they are obviously illusions created by Homura, thus could be considered something entirely different). And in every timeline, there always was one threat. So through series conventions, it's not out of place to assume that they're witches (but judging from your tone, I can assume that they're not). And yes, they were obviously taunting Rena and were obviously talking in her head considering Kaede didn't seem to notice the presence or voices of the familiars, but I still feel like it's cheesy and cheapens the experience. Like I said, I believe that in this instance "show, don't tell" very much applies. The mere presence of witch-like creatures surrounding Rena suggests that she wrote her and Kaede's names on the friendship ending stairs. But instead of a super heavy-handed, hamfisted approach where the familars spell out what Rena is thinking, I would've appreciated a much more subtle approach. It still could've ended on a shot of Rena and Kaede's name on the stairs, but it would've had much more of an impact if the audience figured that out for themselves. In the end, whether or not those creatures are witches or a witch's familiars doesn't change that I dislike how that scene was handled and that it was sloppily written. Oh... I meant the non cool Homura of the initial time-line, Homura with Spectacles (Glasses). I was referring to the scene when Homura was just roaming and a witch barrier appears (Homura wasn't Magical Girl and powerless). Then Mami and Madoka appear and save Homura. Regarding you finding the chat between minions and Rena cheezy is your personal preference. But why would Rena write the names on staircase, what purpose does it serve, and did she really write the names, nobody knows for now (yeah, not even players of game since it's totally different from game). But if I'm to give my opinion, the minions were probably lying, probably brainwashing Kaede, and both Rena and Kaede could hear it. Ahh, I see. Well in that case, you're right that it has been established that witches can speak. I still believe it takes away from the unknown, horrifying nature of the witches by giving them a voice (the concept of "fear of the unknown", which is often used in horror). Also, yeah, obviously it's a personal preference (I can't speak on anyone's opinion but my own), but the "show, don't tell" rule is still very reliable and used often by a lot of prolific writers. As for why Rena would write their names on the staircase is extremely obvious; she wants her friendship with Kaede to end, just like the rumor says it would. Of course, Inu Curry could also be trying to pull the rug out from under the viewers by having it be Kaede who wrote their names, but again, that would be for the same purpose. It would make sense with how apologetic she was towards Rena. If we assume she did, she probably wrote down her and Rena's name and ended up regretting it. But it seems very definitive that at least someone wrote down their names, because if not, that last shot of their names on the staircase would simply be a lie to the audience to make them believe someone wrote their names down. And not a clever lie, such as an unreliable narrator, or misdirection, just a straight-up lie. If the anime wanted the audience to believe that either one had written their names down, to then be able to reveal that neither of them had (or that someone else had), the chain monster/witch's presence is enough. It already hints at that possibilty. Either way, I still have issues with how this scene (and a lot of the anime so far) has been handled and it still feel sloppily written to me. |
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| They really shouldn't have contorted the first episode to fit Yachiyo in at the very end. If they'd been content to let her show up earlier, we'd have had time to establish Rena's reasons for refusing to apologize(which would've made the scene with the familiars better, since right now we have little more than assumption that she didn't mean it). salarx said: Watch the scene again: it's quite clear Kaede has no idea what's going on with Rena. As for the statements they make about Kaede, it's probably what was going through Rena's head when she scribbled their names on the stairs(which, honestly, is a bit of a needless complication to the rumor that could've been done without).Regarding you finding the chat between minions and Rena cheezy is your personal preference. But why would Rena write the names on staircase, what purpose does it serve, and did she really write the names, nobody knows for now (yeah, not even players of game since it's totally different from game). But if I'm to give my opinion, the minions were probably lying, probably brainwashing Kaede, and both Rena and Kaede could hear it. |
salarx said: Bold of you to assume it's a witch and it's minions. And yes the minions of the non-witch creature are supposed to talk. And the talk happened inside Rena's head probably (also are you forgetting that Specmura had people talking in her head before she was rescued by Mami and Madoka?). Don't you think the minions were trying to mess with Rena's head? Remember it's Magia Record and a Magical Girl's enemy may not be a witch here, and that's the strange thing about Kamihama. Kyubey and witches are not going to be the main antagonists of Madoka Magica series, so think a little out of the box. What you say is true, but the difference is that, in Homura's case, the voice basically followed what Homura was already telling herself ("Maybe I should die" "Yes, you should just die"), and it's like, uh, 1-2 lines or so iirc. Whereas here it felt much more hamfisted and forced. |
Polycell said: Watch the scene again: it's quite clear Kaede has no idea what's going on with Rena. As for the statements they make about Kaede, it's probably what was going through Rena's head when she scribbled their names on the stairs(which, honestly, is a bit of a needless complication to the rumor that could've been done without). It seems you're right, I thought Kaede was dumbstruck in disbelief and could hear the voices inside Rena's head. It would make sense that Rena wrote the names in anger and when she realized the rumor could be true, she avoided Kaede as she knew she would definitely come to apologize first. Thanks for pointing out. |
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Zarator said: What you say is true, but the difference is that, in Homura's case, the voice basically followed what Homura was already telling herself ("Maybe I should die" "Yes, you should just die"), and it's like, uh, 1-2 lines or so iirc. Whereas here it felt much more hamfisted and forced. Ah, I was just pointing out that minions speaking human language inside head of someone is not that strange. Did it feel forced is everyone's own opinion, so I'll agree to disagree. |
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