| Older anime abuses archetypes to a lesser extent or build further on archetypes. Newer anime look less like they're stuck in a specific era. |
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| Pros older shows: - Better violent, gory or dark shows. - More daring/interesting topics or themes - More "uniqueness" Pros newer shows: - More consistent quality - Better sound effects - More potential |
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| Old anime has way better art style, character designs, and music. Cant think of anything new anime does better. |
TheSuperiorOne said: Old anime has way better art style, character designs, and music. Cant think of anything new anime does better. I was going to put a disclaimer saying "if you care about that" after I said "Newer anime look less like they're stuck in a specific era." Older art styles look sexier. |
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| for shojo, I'd say they started making the girls more cutesy. Back in the 80's-90's they were more expressive. (it's been awhile since I've watched current anime, so I may be out of the loop). |
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| I prefer older animes, it's just nice to watch newer ones on a 4k television. I'll watch older animes anywhere. If it's a newer one, I always want to watch on my TV instead of my laptop or computer Red Riding Hood Chacha has some of the best facial expressions I've seen. Really adds to the comedy. GTO as well |
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| I like Science Fiction, and more old anime was science fiction compared to currently, so that boosts it in my books. Also I really like the overall look of 70s/80s anime. |
| "What did older anime do better than newer anime? What does newer anime do better?" Which older anime compared to which newer anime? Because generalizing is kind of stupid in this case... Too many thematic and technical differences. Trends come and go. Older/younger viewers missing some context outside of their cultural circles. Also there were and there always will be some troubled productions so saying "more consistent quality" is objectively wrong for any period. |
alshuJul 3, 2019 2:36 AM
| What did older anime do better than newer anime? Macross (1982) What does newer anime do better? Murakami, Teruaki |
| What did older anime do better than newer anime Psychological, science fiction and cyberpunk anime like Ghost in the Shell, Battle Angel Alita or Ergo Proxy (if you consider it that old). There wasn't modern isekais, and instead there was more variety when it came from light novel adaptations (Full Metal Panic, Kino no Tabi, Spice & Wolf, Baccano!). Anime orginals were made because the creators wanted to do something more than be the next big thing, like Neon Genesis Evangelion, Wolf's Rain and Haibane Renmei. Ecchi was barely a genre. What does newer anime do better Slice of life anime. Things like Mad Bull 34, Angel Cop or M.D. Geist would never be made today, and I' grateful for that. |
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| Old - in my naive eyes it seemed that there was less censoring (I may be wrong) New - better quality of visuals, Korean and Chinese animation and readaptation of "old" anime, examples (Boogiepop, Kino, Dororo, Gegege no Kitarou and others) |
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| I'm not sure which kind I prefer, but I'd just like to make a few observations about the art styles. A lot of people make the point that older anime has more detailed shading and linework on character art, particularly the faces. This is true; compare this to more recent series where the characters' faces generally look a lot "cleaner", and where either there's less shading, or if there's shading it's done digitally. This results in a different look, one that arguably feels less gritty and more beautiful, though one can certainly also do other things with it, as an artist. A greater variety of effects are possible with digital image editing, but of course, YMMV on which one's better. Much of it comes down to how well the image can match the brain's imagination of a thing, and of course, brains are both flexible and fickle. The backgrounds, on the other hand...this is a very different story. I get the feeling that both older and newer anime can have simple backgrounds, but with older anime, the detailed backgrounds are more likely to feel kinda like watercolours, while with newer anime, the detailed backgrounds are more likely to feel photorealistic (and in fact they are sometimes even derived digitally from actual photographs). This change has to do with digital image technology, of course, and again, YMMV on which one's better. The one way, visually, that new anime is almost unambiguously better though is when you have those shots of background elements becoming animated, older animation often had pretty watercolour backgrounds with one obviously oddly-drawn less-detailed thing in the midst of it, which was obviously the thing that is about to come loose, while there's much less of this weirdness in newer anime -- backgrounds and foreground elements can mesh more seamlessly. |
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| It depends on the anime but in general there was a higher chance on manga getting a complete adaptation back then. Nowadays however we don't really have filler like we had back then. |
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| Visually older series were far more impressive. Compare Goblin Slayer (as a non-Isekai fantasy) to Record of Lodoss War or Slayers and you can see how the newer anime is far stiffer and - honestly - lifeless looking. With rare exception, there weren't the overly huge mounds of flesh that seem to predominate modern anime. Story-wise, I think a lot of the older series and OVAs were willing to take risks that Studios aren't anymore. There is a good reason for that as anime and manga is a world-wide thing now and a huge money-making industry outside of Japan, of course, the companies are going to play it safe. Ease of availability is the big thing I can say about modern anime. Back in the late 80s I never would have imagined watching a new episode of a show within hours of it premiering on Japanese TVs ... much less be released at all ... on the same token, I release to miss the old underground fansub communities that popped up on college BBSs and around comic shops (fun fact my comic shop put Ranma 1/2 and Oh My Goddess in the adult section). |
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alshu said: "What did older anime do better than newer anime? What does newer anime do better?" Which older anime compared to which newer anime? Because generalizing is kind of stupid in this case... Too many thematic and technical differences. Trends come and go. Older/younger viewers missing some context outside of their cultural circles. Also there were and there always will be some troubled productions so saying "more consistent quality" is objectively wrong for any period. Pretty much agree with all of this.... |
| OPM S2 by JC son. or like we said in them old days: OWND! |
| Older anime had better directing, cinematography, and the characters felt more believable, probably because they were made by regular people and not Otakus who, like Miyazaki said, don't go out and observe real people, and instead just recycle and regurgitate what they see in other anime. Older anime (even up until like 2007) to me felt like "proper" TV shows with "cinematic" directing. Newer anime on the other hand try too hard to be faithful to the source, especially manga (with scenes copy-pasted almost panel to panel), and end up looking like lazy imitations of the source, rather than good transformative adaptations. |
Older anime had awesome battles modern anime is just lolis and fanservice it almost makes me feel ashamed to admit that I am an anime fan.  |
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FloodBasalt said: Older anime had better directing, cinematography, and the characters felt more believable, probably because they were made by regular people and not Otakus who, like Miyazaki said, don't go out and observe real people, and instead just recycle and regurgitate what they see in other anime. Older anime (even up until like 2007) to me felt like "proper" TV shows with "cinematic" directing. Newer anime on the other hand try too hard to be faithful to the source, especially manga (with scenes copy-pasted almost panel to panel), and end up looking like lazy imitations of the source, rather than good transformative adaptations. Please stop giving credit to grumpy Miyazaki being grumpy, holy shit. It bugs me a lot that people assume in this day and age of directors, animators and producers being constantly in contact with fans through various media that they somehow fit the age-old stereotype of shut-in weirdos that Miyazaki liked to milk a fucking decade ago. Also stop shaming otakus. This is not the 00s. |
jal90Jul 4, 2019 2:42 AM
jal90 said: It bugs me a lot that people assume in this day and age of directors, animators and producers being constantly in contact with fans through various media that they somehow fit the age-old stereotype of shut-in weirdos that Miyazaki liked to milk a fucking decade ago. But the fans aren't "real" people either, so being in contact with them doesn't help. It only makes the content even more degenerate when you have a network of degenerates! The real people are the ones that aren't anime fans. |
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IpreferEcchi said: jal90 said: It bugs me a lot that people assume in this day and age of directors, animators and producers being constantly in contact with fans through various media that they somehow fit the age-old stereotype of shut-in weirdos that Miyazaki liked to milk a fucking decade ago. But the fans aren't "real" people either, so being in contact with them doesn't help. It only makes the content even more degenerate when you have a network of degenerates! The real people are the ones that aren't anime fans. Damn, then we are indeed doomed. Well, the industry was fine while it lasted. |
jal90 said: FloodBasalt said: Older anime had better directing, cinematography, and the characters felt more believable, probably because they were made by regular people and not Otakus who, like Miyazaki said, don't go out and observe real people, and instead just recycle and regurgitate what they see in other anime. Older anime (even up until like 2007) to me felt like "proper" TV shows with "cinematic" directing. Newer anime on the other hand try too hard to be faithful to the source, especially manga (with scenes copy-pasted almost panel to panel), and end up looking like lazy imitations of the source, rather than good transformative adaptations. Please stop giving credit to grumpy Miyazaki being grumpy, holy shit. It bugs me a lot that people assume in this day and age of directors, animators and producers being constantly in contact with fans through various media that they somehow fit the age-old stereotype of shut-in weirdos that Miyazaki liked to milk a fucking decade ago. Also stop shaming otakus. This is not the 00s. I'm not shaming Otakus. If I as a layman am going to make an anime on, let's say, car manufacturing, then the least I should be expected to do is do my research. So why is it any different for human behavior? And online interactions aren't the same as face-to-face interactions. There's more to real life communication than just talking, a significant portion of it being body language. And the people who make public appearances through TV, live streams, and IRL events are usually the more "glamorous" sections of the staff like the Seiyuus. You rarely ever see the actual writers and directors. |
FloodBasalt said: jal90 said: Please stop giving credit to grumpy Miyazaki being grumpy, holy shit. It bugs me a lot that people assume in this day and age of directors, animators and producers being constantly in contact with fans through various media that they somehow fit the age-old stereotype of shut-in weirdos that Miyazaki liked to milk a fucking decade ago. Also stop shaming otakus. This is not the 00s. I'm not shaming Otakus. If I as a layman am going to make an anime on, let's say, car manufacturing, then the least I should be expected to do is do my research. So why is it any different for human behavior? And online interactions aren't the same as face-to-face interactions. There's more to real life communication than just talking, a significant portion of it being body language. And the people who make public appearances through TV, live streams, and IRL events are usually the more "glamorous" sections of the staff like the Seiyuus. You rarely ever see the actual writers and directors. You are. You are confronting "regular people" with "otakus" right from the beginning which is pretty screwed up if you consider what kind of stereotypes otaku have faced in previous decades. Most notably, portraying them as unable to behave and function like regular people. Also excuse me but just because certain people do not want to expose themselves physically doesn't mean that they aren't approachable, and they are a lot more approachable than they've ever been, through interviews, Twitter accounts, some events and initiatives, etc. And of course seiyuu are the visible faces of the industry, so are actors in the film industry. Then again the problem is that you are using a Miyazaki quote and Miyazaki is not the single rational voice of the industry. He is heavily, and I mean heavily, biased against any sort of creative approach to the medium that doesn't match his own. He is a known technophobe and reactionary and is probably not even aware of many forms of communication and feedback through social media. Now in terms of artistic creation, notice he talks about "observing reality" because he wants characters to "look natural" and that's a fucking artistic preference. And I say this while loving Miyazaki's style and approach to animation, but I'm not going to be as easily convinced that in order to create good content in animation you need to observe and sketch every detail in real life and then draw it with obsessive attention. I appreciate that he does that like I appreciate when the medium deviates and creates its own set of codes in body language and interaction with elements in a fictional environment. |
jal90Jul 4, 2019 3:31 AM
Actually not true. They just used tropes and cliches that are not that popular nowadays. Dauphine said: + Better OP/ED/Music in general I disagree. Dauphine said: + No wish fulfillment Plenty of those too just a bit different than the contemporary ones. How is that a bad thing? Dauphine said: - More unattractive art styles I think it's a question of perception. Dauphine said: - Very muted colors In the most of those cases it's due to a bad transfer from analogue to digital - damaged/low quality archives. |
| Older anime usually lasted more than 13 episodes. But of course newer anime has improved animation, sound quality, and variety. |
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| Older ecchi anime had nipples, new ecchi anime don't. |
| Older anime is aimed less at mainstream so it has better stories Newer anime looks better usually |
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KiddoUnow said: Older anime had awesome battles modern anime is just lolis and fanservice it almost makes me feel ashamed to admit that I am an anime fan. You need to try looking a little harder if you really think all modern anime are like that..... |
| They used a real lightbox for the special effects, before cg came around. |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
| OPM S2 is overhated by the Madhouse's dicksuckers, I really think that it wasn't badly animated, it was just average and it has some good looking moments. You can't compared to S1, but it is watchable. Besides, Madhouse can't produce something like that anymore. Also, older shows with bad animation can give you cancer... today it's hard to find shows that bad. There are bad looking shows, but considering the amount of shows and the overrall quality it seems dumb to compare it to the old school. |
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LalatinaDarkness said: Older ecchi anime had nipples, new ecchi anime don't. Wrong, there are still a lot, but the nipples are usually on BD, like another user mentioned. There's also Strike the Blood 3, first minutes of the first episode has nipples. Most sites upload the BD episodes too. |
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Setsuei said: KiddoUnow said: Older anime had awesome battles modern anime is just lolis and fanservice it almost makes me feel ashamed to admit that I am an anime fan. You need to try looking a little harder if you really think all modern anime are like that..... Nah new anime is all a bunch of loli bullshit. OLD>>>NEW |
TheSuperiorOne said: Setsuei said: You need to try looking a little harder if you really think all modern anime are like that..... Nah new anime is all a bunch of loli bullshit. OLD>>>NEW I could make an exremely long list of anime from early 2000s to now to prove how complete bs this is, but I won't because it'd take to damn long, one, and two I'm not entirely sure whether or not this is a joke. |
FanofActionJul 4, 2019 5:59 PM
| Older anime usually have better art style, newer anime have better visual effects. |
| Who are you and why do you show your hostility towards a complete stranger whom you've not once spoken with before. Are you seriously asking to get blocked? Well, if that's what your intent is; to tempt me into throwing hands with someone as lowly and insignificant as you, then i may grant your wish provided you articulate yourself a bit better when trying to spite a person of my wavelength. |
| Older anime didn't use CGI, and dear lord it's so satisfying and pleasant not seeing an ugly computer-generated figure suddenly popping in front of my eyes |
What happened to painted backgrounds, bros? |
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