| Selfish and social aren't contradicting things so I don't see why it has to be one or the other |
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deg said: iiKrina said: Selfish and social aren't contradicting things so I don't see why it has to be one or the other criminals for example are considered more selfish than being social though I don't see why they can't be both, I think most people are |
| 柵の向こうには 本当に狼などおらぬのか |
deg said: i consider selfishness as antisocial behavior seeing that selfish people put their interests first more than others while social means being prone to selflessness or putting the needs of others above yours Then shouldn't it be selfish vs selfless? Social means you like to be around people, have a lot of friends and are friendly etc, which can coincide with only caring about yourself (selfishness). Whereas yeah selfless is the opposite of selfish ofc. But idk |
| 柵の向こうには 本当に狼などおらぬのか |
deg said: iiKrina said: Then shouldn't it be selfish vs selfless? Social means you like to be around people, have a lot of friends and are friendly etc. Which can coincide with only caring about yourself (selfishness). But idk selfishness vs selflessness is already done many times in this part of the forums already and im more pointing out that because we are social creatures then our selfishness can be limited if you are social you are more prone to selflessness or you are at least willing to compromise in order to agree with something, while if youre selfish you are not prone to be selfless right? thats contradicting I'm quite social irl and yet I only care about myself, so it's possible to be both. But idk I think I'm just being dumb and not understanding what you mean. Forget it :) |
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| Incredible, I'm selfish. Tomorrow I am going to kill my family and maybe later rob a bank, since that money can not be for them only. Thanks for reminding me! :) |
| I think I am a balance of selfish and selfless. I spend hours typing messages to people in order to help them, even though my wrists are swollen and it's extremely painful. But I am someone who wants many things and will go far to get what I want. Ah, but to answer the question, I think humans are naturally selfish and self indulgent. But they strive for good, so they try to be selfless. |
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deg said: No, I believe there is balance. If you asked me a couple years ago, I would have certainly said I am more selfish than not. One of my earliest memories was my sister telling me to stop being so selfish, funny enough. But friends of mine call me a selfless person.YaoiMaster said: I think I am a balance of selfish and selfless. I spend hours typing messages to people in order to help them, even though my wrists are swollen and it's extremely painful. But I am someone who wants many things and will go far to get what I want. are you sure you weigh it right though? its just so easy to say you are both when there are clear tendency for most situations |
WORK IN PROGRESS ~The frog leapt forth to my lilypad memory.~ I was indoctrinated by an inamorata rabbit, Adenomata affronted. It was the verecund, dismissed creatures That I jubilated in most. This rabbit I would nurture, At the aiguille of esse, The anneal of noblesse. ❤️ Birdie ❤️ |
| i'll just ignore that criminal record comment for a minute and share my general view on selfishness versus sociability: i actually bow down to those who think of themselves before anyone else. i believe in loving yourself before others, so if someone important in your life chose to leave for some reason, you wouldn't fall apart. live for yourself before anyone else. am i more selfish than sociable? HELL YEAH. who said this is bad anyways? but of course, keeping the love for yourself intact, you also have to care for others, and show affection towards them from time to time, help them out and be there for them when they need you. who are you doing this for anyways? you and your own happiness. idk about others, but preaching, and sharing kindness everyday makes me happy :) |
deg said: The two things you pit against each other are not on a scale.Vulze said: More than selfishness or sociability, I think some human beings lack cohesion in their thought process. And I find they would benefit a great deal by attempting to be more scrupulous and methodical in their reasoning. There is a certain sweetness found in the ability to dissect and discuss ideas insofar you can stop throwing words around, fold your hands and pray someone makes sense of it. im not making sense again then? well im not aware of any hard to understand things i said on this matter though Sociability is a measure of how much you seek and enjoy the presence of others Self-interest is a measure of how much you pursue your own ends instead of other people's ends, and at what expense. The opposite of social is not selfish, it's nonsocial. The opposite of selfish isn't social, it's selfless. So really you're talking about two separate scales, describing different things. People may shift up and down on those two scales, and while there might be a correlation, it might also be weaker than you think it is. - A cunning politician might be both social and selfish. - The nurse might be social and selfless. - Your typical MAL-user might be both nonsocial and selfish. - A secluded monk might be nonsocial and selfless. This what you get when dealing with two scales: You end up with 4 categories and a lot of grey areas inbetween. Your opening post implies only 2 categories (selfish vs social) which are supposedly on 1 scale (one is "taming" the other). This is simply not true. |
Railey2Nov 6, 2018 12:33 PM
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| can't you be very social for very selfish reasons maybe i'm not understanding the question though i guess you see social as something inherently positive in your case |
| most people are more social, they're willing to hurt themselves if it means acceptance/gratitude. i.e giving people answers on tests or paying for a friend |
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deg said: This is exactly what Vulze means, a general lack of cohesion. You're careless with language and it's affecting your thought process.Railey2 said: The two things you pit against each other are not on a scale. Sociability is a measure of how much you seek and enjoy the presence of others Self-interest is a measure of how much you pursue your own ends instead of other people's ends, and what expense. The opposite of social is not selfish, it's nonsocial. The opposite of selfish isn't social, it's selfless. So really you're talking about two separate scales, describing different things. People may shift up and down on those two scales, and while there might be a correlation, it might be weaker than you think it is. - A cunning politician might be both social and selfish. - The nurse might be social and selfless. - Your typical MAL-user might be both nonsocial and selfish. - A secluded monk might be nonsocial and selfless. This what you get when dealing with two scales: You end up with 4 categories and a lot of grey areas inbetween. Your opening post implies only 2 categories (selfish vs social) which are supposedly on 1 scale (one is "taming" the other). This is simply not true. im more thinking of the opposite of social is antisocial and it can be usually seen on criminals that are considered selfish too im just showing that because we humans are naturally social creatures then it defeats the saying that we are more selfish, by being more social we can be more selfless or at least with less selfishness or less antisocial tendencies Just because it has "anti" in the name, doesn't mean that it's automatically an antonym. Being social is about seeking social contact, seeking to be in the presence of other people. The opposite of that is seeking to be away from people, which is called being nonsocial, or asocial (although asocial has a negative connotation) Antisocial is about disrupting social order, doing things to antagonize others, ignoring other peoples feeling and social norms. An antisocial person (someone who frequently hurts others with their behavior) might still be social (seeking social contact). An antisocial person can still have social needs. The two are on different scales. But a strictly nonsocial person can not be social, since the two are actually on opposite ends of the same scale. You can not be both social and nonsocial at the same time. But you can be antisocial and social at the same time. In fact, psychopaths are often very social people, much to the detriment of the people they're dealing with, but theres no question about them also being antisocial. The same can be said about narcissists. |
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deg said: deg please, you're not usually a brick wall to talk to what happenedRailey2 said: This is exactly what Vulze means, a general lack of cohesion. You're careless with language and it's affecting your thought process. Just because it has "anti" in the name, doesn't mean that it's automatically an antonym. Being social is about seeking social contact, seeking to be in the presence of other people. The opposite of that is seeking to be away from people, which is called being nonsocial, or asocial (although asocial has a negative connotation) Antisocial is about disrupting social order, doing things to antagonize others, ignoring other peoples feeling and social norms. An antisocial person (someone who frequently hurts others with their behavior) might still be social (seeking social contact). An antisocial person can still have social needs. The two are on different scales. But a strictly nonsocial person can not be social, since the two are actually on opposite ends of the same scale. You can not be both social and nonsocial at the same time. But you can be antisocial and social at the same time. In fact, psychopaths are often very social people, much to the detriment of the people they're dealing with, but theres no question about them also being antisocial. The same can be said about narcissists. psychopaths and narcissists are manipulative or no empathy people though that can be seen as social but they are more selfish |
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| I'm more selfish in the way that I want to be more social, so what do I vote? I guess selfish since I'm a psycopath |
deg said: Is an apple more tasty than it is round?Railey2 said: deg please, you're not usually a brick wall to talk to what happened lol its true though right about psychopaths and narcissists being more selfish than social Sure you could go, "this apple is in the 80th percentile of roundness (it's pretty round for an apple!), and it's in the 14th percentile of tastiness (I don't really like it!), therefore it's less tasty than it is round!", but is that REALLY the question you're asking? I'm not saying you can't compare things that are on two different scales, but you should at least acknowledge that they are, because if you don't... let's just say that if your premises are wrong, you rarely arrive at the correct conclusions. I get the feeling you haven't really been picking up on the things I wrote, nor have you made the effort to disagree. |
Railey2Nov 6, 2018 12:30 PM
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| Wtf criminals are a minority if you only knew |
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| The irony is that many are selfless because it nabs them compliments and admiration which is essentially the same as doing things for own gain = selfish. A very easy way to test it?? Ask yourself if you get upset if someone doesn't say thanks or doesn't return a favor. If it upsets you then congrats, you're selfish. If it doesn't upset you then congrats, you're selfless. Imma be honest with y'all and admit that I'm selfish. It gets on my nerves when people don't say thanks or well done when I clearly feel like I deserve recognition for something. |
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| Selflessness only exists in fiction. Everything we do is for ourselves, be it fame, recognition, money, self satisfaction, etc. There are hints of selflessness on the surface but pure selflessness doesn't exist. |
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| We are inheretantly evil because, we can adapt to situation that befit the gain, or so we think; in the context of everyday life. |
| sharing something doesn't make u selfless if u aren't sacrificing something to help someone, u are not selfless stop lying to yourself, everyone is selfish |
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| They seem selfless when it comes to sacrificing for their own family and close people. However, if you look more carefully, those moves are perceived as selfish in a way. When it comes to public or larger scale of people, nobody will be selfless. I don't know somebody will but I can't judge people so fast. And I don't mind if people are elfish for the love ones. |
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