| PCGamer have published an article about the upcoming Assassin's Creed Origins "For Better or Worse, Assassin's Creed is an RPG Now..." "...complete with leveling, skill trees, an extensive loot system, and crafting..." Now, as someone who spent about 30+ hours in Assassin's Creed Syndicate, I can confirm that ACS already had leveling, skill trees, loot and crafting. "...but the way Origins gates your progress, using your level and the quality of your gear, is a fundamental change..." Assassin's Creed Syndicate also had level recommendations for areas, missions and activities. It also had a mission based structure in an open world, with main and side missions available for the player. Is it just me, or is Assassin's Creed Origins no more of an RPG than its predecessors? All of which weren't widely considered to be role playing games. It seems like the term RPG is becoming more and more contrived and convoluted every year. I've got no complaints about the game itself, it doesn't look half bad, but I'm definitely getting sick of every game with a skill tree being hailed as an RPG. |
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| "Assassin's Creed wants to be an RPG Now" |
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The problem is, RPGs have been slowly devolving over the years. They used to be about, well, actually role playing. Now all a game needs to do to be an RPG is busy work and stats. |
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DateYutaka said: Woodcutter said: The problem is, RPGs have been slowly devolving over the years. They used to be about, well, actually role playing. Now all a game needs to do to be an RPG is busy work and stats. nope RPGs fpr me were always baor the story [ im Japanese but bgne my RPG ing on U3 ] and RPGs use ot be for for peoplehwo cared o get lost in now there just sand boxes eve FF XV is that way let alone havin g diff sliders in RPGS no that is a joke But non-RPGs can have great stories. Like Portal, or Max Payne, or Red Dead Redemption, MGS2, etc. RPGs can have great stories, but they're also about giving the player the ability to mold their character through the choices they make, and the way they play. The best RPGs are ones that emphasis player agency and freedom, like Fallout New Vegas, Planescape: Torment, Divinity: Original Sin 2 or Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines. |
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DateYutaka said: Woodcutter said: But non-RPGs can have great stories. Like Portal, or Max Payne, or Red Dead Redemption, MGS2, etc. RPGs can have great stories, but they're also about giving the player the ability to mold their character through the choices they make, and the way they play. The best RPGs are ones that emphasis player agency and freedom, like Fallout New Vegas, Planescape: Torment, Divinity: Original Sin 2 or Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines. fir me in rpgs its story vs lore i love the ultima games i begb my gaming lige on ld Japanese PCs like 8801 and alike what do i mean by story ve lore lore ehvey game like FF 13 but over all very storyligt FFX has story and has mechen ot fill you in on the lore if you want MGS underlying thmese is more relevent now than ever and coem to thinkalot of people hate the game os are you one of the sort or people who say japan has never made real rpgs ;ike allot o iv seen I think there are some good JRPGs, but I prefer Western RPGs because they're more player driven. Take for example a game like Planescape: Torment  Look at the dialogue options for the player. They all lead down different paths and they all work to define the personality of the character you're role playing as. If you compare it to Final Fantasy 7 (which came out at around the same time, and was considered one of the best JRPGs ever made):  You can see what I mean about player driven RPGs, versus simple story driven RPGs. To me, an RPG has to give the player agency. It can have a great story as well, but I want to feel like I'm playing as my own character. |
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Woodcutter said: DateYutaka said: fir me in rpgs its story vs lore i love the ultima games i begb my gaming lige on ld Japanese PCs like 8801 and alike what do i mean by story ve lore lore ehvey game like FF 13 but over all very storyligt FFX has story and has mechen ot fill you in on the lore if you want MGS underlying thmese is more relevent now than ever and coem to thinkalot of people hate the game os are you one of the sort or people who say japan has never made real rpgs ;ike allot o iv seen I think there are some good JRPGs, but I prefer Western RPGs because they're more player driven. Take for example a game like Planescape: Torment Look at the dialogue options for the player. They all lead down different paths and they all work to define the personality of the character you're role playing as. If you compare it to Final Fantasy 7 (which came out at around the same time, and was considered one of the best JRPGs ever made): You can see what I mean about player driven RPGs, versus simple story driven RPGs. To me, an RPG has to give the player agency. It can have a great story as well, but I want to feel like I'm playing as my own character. FF VII is overrated uase of noslagia iv played Conole style RPG i dnt use JRPG in use pc style or console style RPG since that s what they are simpley put the modern day PC PRG owe there staer form ulitma underworld as you should no while Cnsole rog have not borken there line sice dragon quest withc was based on the fact that i Nakamura loved wixadry but wanted ot simlify it while his bset friend Yuji loved ulitma games on old old pcs Japanese apples 1000's - Japanese market apple 2s disrebted in Japan by Falcom [ yes that falcom] fixation on the sandbox ork me casue i love games like wizrya and ulitma style wich the west has cucked away withc japan has kpet alive King's Feild soulsores atlus's games and alike and the calaztion ation of rpgs to in boh market rik me the most |
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| Well, i like Assassin's Creed and i like RPGs so both together really doesnt sound too bad to me but who knows maybe its bad |
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| Well Goodbye Assassins Creed Franchise because I know for a fact Ubisoft is going to put Singleplayer Microtransactions in it. |
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Capcum said: Well, i like Assassin's Creed and i like RPGs so both together really doesnt sound too bad to me but who knows maybe its bad Well I'm not saying it'll be bad, I'm just saying that having a few RPG elements doesn't automatically make a game an RPG. Otherwise any game with a skill tree would be an RPG, that is to say, most modern games. I'm also just pointing out that previous AC games have all had similar elements, yet Origins is the first to be considered an RPG? |
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Woodcutter said: Capcum said: Well, i like Assassin's Creed and i like RPGs so both together really doesnt sound too bad to me but who knows maybe its bad Well I'm not saying it'll be bad, I'm just saying that having a few RPG elements doesn't automatically make a game an RPG. Otherwise any game with a skill tree would be an RPG, that is to say, most modern games. I'm also just pointing out that previous AC games have all had similar elements, yet Origins is the first to be considered an RPG? I still think they're more Action/Adventure type games, but thats just me |
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Capcum said: Woodcutter said: Well I'm not saying it'll be bad, I'm just saying that having a few RPG elements doesn't automatically make a game an RPG. Otherwise any game with a skill tree would be an RPG, that is to say, most modern games. I'm also just pointing out that previous AC games have all had similar elements, yet Origins is the first to be considered an RPG? I still think they're more Action/Adventure type games, but thats just me That's my opinion too. |
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lighting bolt praying action stealth action historical walking thriller cat simulator return of the ripper is too specific tho All I see are lazy mechanics which don't really make a genre, the best thing ac games still do is vibrancy like walking around and jumping on tables for npcs dumb reactions. Otherwise they are actually supposed to be stealth games, with zero challenge, and hard to learn but simple to master combat since those are the most complex things they do. They barely engaged with their own themes beyond people reactions to your outfit and/or gender so pretty much stealth action fare core wise. |
FondenteOct 5, 2017 4:55 AM
It's not that nebulous. Action/adventure would indicate a linear, narrative driven action game. Games like Uncharted, God of War, Tomb Raider, Red Dead Redemption, Dishonoured, the Batman Arkham series, and of course Assassin's Creed. It's important to note that by linear I don't mean in terms of world design, I mean in terms of narrative or character development. |
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