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| Pudding got emotional because he liked her third eye. But do I feel bad for her? No. |
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| Sanji breaks down pudding's evil persona :'( Sanji having the same or better precog than katakuri XD must have gotten it from running and hiding from the okama. |
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| great, Luffy doing kuchiyose no jutsu, lol as expected, the cake being eaten by Luffy. pudding might be starting to love sanji for real, sanji win the stage! Prince said: it's obviously Brulee, since she's shouting outloud that she's feel sorry for big mom before luffy jump out.Brûlée clones or Nami's Mirage Tempo. Place your bets folks. |
| It was clear that Pudding have two different personality and hated her third eye, she tried to hide her real personality and hesitant in some points. Guess she just needed to get accept for her real person and her looks, sanji was perfect (well luffy crew will accept her and more they would say she have an awesome third eye). sanji hit her in the heart but still don't want to see her go good person like that .. Badass Katakuri, also with sanji dodges his shot! guess Katakuri can't see the future for 2 steps or for a step tries to change the future with it. Oh, i need next chapter now! |
| It is said that Sanji's best at Kenbunshoku no Haki. That paid off, especially against the crazy Kenbunshoku no Haku that Katakuri got. |
| Incredible chapter, man that was over so fast. |
Dogtooth vs Sanji! That's all I want. |
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| Oh Yeah! Great job Oda! That is why I love One Piece, and that's why Sanji is the best character ever. I knew he would never disappoint me. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
| To us readers Sanji's compliment may seem like not much at all, but to Pudding it's probably one of the most significant things in her life. |
| Lol, I had a feeling something like this was gonna happen. But it was executed well so I actually felt for Pudding a little. Nonetheless, the real excitement begins. This is gonna be one of, if not the, most chaotic moments in One Piece so far. Sanji may have dodged a literal bullet or two, but there's a lot of monsters here, and a lot less allies. Drake1000 said: I have to disagree. She was surprised. There was no reason for her to believe that he was lying, because she whole-heartedly believed that Sanji had no suspicions whatsoever. Surprise does surprising things to a person... that's what surprise is. That's a really shaky twist there. "your third eye is cute" Her realistic reaction would be, yeah right pal nice lies, now have a bullet between your eyes, instead she starts crying cuz no one ever told her that before and she was bullied for it, how old is Pudding again? is she like 4 years old or something? this is not an adult or even a teenager reaction, this is someone you deemed worth killing and planned to do so but just because he compliments you, "oh god I'm so touched I'm gonna drop down and cry my eyes out! screw the plan!" She expected him to be too shocked and disgusted to react to her shooting him, instead he was happy. She wasn't expecting that, so she didn't know how to react. Maybe she's not 4 years old, but she _is_ treated like a 4 year old by her psychotic mother because she heartlessly murders people. It's not like she "deemed" him worth killing, she just loves killing people. And since that love for killing people started with her hatred of people teasing her, it makes sense that the one moment someone praises her for the one thing she hates about her self she fails to act. It's funny, cause from what I've seen, you said she'd turn out to be a good guy, and that Oda was just playing mind-games with the readers. That's nothing like what happened. Unless you think it's somehow all black and white and she has to be either solely evil, or purely good. She was surprised by his words, it doesn't mean she's been secretly good this whole time. She murders people for teasing her... not your most stable, kindhearted person. Even funnier is that the last words you said to me was stating that I "think" you hate this series. It's ironic that all I ever said to you in the past was that I believed you liked the series, just that you refused to let others have opinions. However by your reaction here it proves once and for all that you do hate this series, and all you're good for is trash talking it, and its fans. You literally waited til the moment the chapter released to belittle others and call this bullshit, when you weren't even right. Don't act like a dick, when it's not even close to what you said would happen. What just happened was about the only alternative to the things that you said would make it shit if they actually happened. |
| Pudding becoming a good person would be so disappointing. |
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| I have to say that when Pudding started talking crap about Sanji to the point that he cried, I despised her and truly wished Sanji would slap her or something the moment she tried to kill him. But seeing her backstory, I'm slightly compelled to feel a bit sorry for her. Her past explains well about her personality, and makes me wonder what she's going to do now that she found someone who doesn't see her as an outcast. That Sanji though... why is my favorite character so stupid? Despite knowing her true colors and having SUFFERED from it, he still acted like himself. He could very well have died there, but luckily to him, his stupid personality not only might have saved him but also brought a change of heart to Pudding. I don't expect her to become a good person, but things might get interesting from now on. Luffy's entrance was so Luffy-like that he might not even have to mess with the picture lol. |
| Pudding...Ok...so she was really going to kill Sanji but....Well well....Did seriously expect that....well somewhat understand Puddings personality...People judge appearance....wouldn't go stab people, but people are breaking even less.. and WHAT!? CLones...what the hell....Nami's skill surely but what....Great Chapter and Color Page in next issue |
| Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.~Winston Churchill "Fate of the universe will be Decided as it SHOULD be, in MORTAL KOMBAT!" ~Elder Gods "Justice WILL Prevail?" "But OF COURSE IT WILL!! WHOEVER WINS, BECOMES THE JUSTICE!!!" ~Donquixote Doflamingo (King, Pirate, Shichibukai, Philosopher(?) (One Piece)) |
| I expected something better, meh. 3/5 Sanji is pathetic. |
Jarjaxle said: and WHAT!? CLones...what the hell....Nami's skill surely but what....Great Chapter and Color Page in next issue Brulee's mirror powers. Remember what happened in the forest? |
Z4k said: "Yeah, I completely agree, OP. This has been meticulously planned and integrated into her character behaviour from the beginning.Pudding suddenly has insecurities over her third eye? Wait what? Did I miss a chapter or something because I never noticed that's how she felt about her third eye? The change of heart felt very contrived. The way she was raised and treated is also why she hated Sanji so much. She saw that he has fallen for her on the first sight, but he only saw her fake mask that she had to create because of her family. In her mind there was no way he wouldn't be repulsed once he sees her third eye, because there hasn't been anyone like that in her life so far. So his affection felt fake, like a mockery. Then when Sanji peeled off his mask to reveal his ugly, beaten up face to Pudding and shared his story, that must have felt so infuriating and confusing for her. Because her whole life she was told to hide her own ugliness, and has only met with disgust from those who saw her real face. She must have lost any hope of trusting anyone, so she took Sanji trusting her as a sign of weakness. No wonder that soon after she ended up revealing her third eye to Reiju and vented mocking Sanji so hard. In retrospect, that show how conflicted and broken she really is. Ultimately, she's a complex character, with a lot of pent-up anger. Pudding is a product of Big Mom's obsessions and possessiveness, a ticking bomb that might be even more dangerous than Tamate box. So it's sad that there people take her reaction in this chapter in such simplistic way." - /u/SalamiRocketFuel Some analysis from reddit I recommend everyone who didn't like the sudden new revelation regarding Pudding's backstory to give this a read. @HalibelTheEspada I remember you told me you don't really go on other One Piece forum except for MAL, I would highly suggest One Piece reddit, it's a great place for One Piece fans. |
ToG25thBaamApr 14, 2017 8:20 AM
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ToG25thBaam said: Some analysis from reddit I recommend everyone who didn't like the sudden new revelation regarding Pudding's backstory to give this a read. I thought Pudding's actions this chapter made a lot of sense, but it was nice to see some well worded posts about the subject, thanks for sharing that. |
| You know, I'll just go ahead and accept that you probably did, somewhere along the lines say that it was possible. I don't have the time or patience to go through all your posts, so I'll just admit that I'm wrong about that, and you probably did say that. I didn't miss the link, I just didn't add it, because it takes up a lot of space for my already lengthy post, so I just mentioned it instead. I wouldn't say that you gave "vague" descriptions, you definitely went into a lot of detail. I do know that you gave a ton more possibilities than that, though, and none of them did you consider good. If everything is considered bullshit to you, you're only gonna get bullshit. You're gonna have to accept that not every single thing that happens is going to be above being predicted. Why do you need to focus only on the few things you don't like? The rare times I've seen you say anything good is maybe just a line or two. I never see you going into detail about anything that you like. There's 100 other things going on in this arc, and the one thing you care about is the one thing that only had a few ways it could go. I think anyone who didn't at least consider this a possibility is just clueless. If you think it's so bad it's good, fine. I don't intend to single you out, you're just the most vocal about your grievances, and you rarely say anything good, it's hard to take anything you say as mere criticism. ToG25thBaam said: I'll definitely consider it, especially since One Piece is about the only manga/anime I follow still. Thanks@HalibelTheEspada I remember you told me you don't really go on other One Piece forum except for MAL, I would highly suggest One Piece reddit, it's a great place for One Piece fans. |
thebrentinator24 said: . How did Sanji dodge that jelly bean shot? Is his Kenbunshoku also advanced like Katakuri's?. There were a few posts like this. Even without better reflexes if someone knows an attack is coming it's easier to use the skills you do have to avoid the danger. People wondered the opposite when Luffy fought Cracker, that Cracker's armament haki was much stronger than Luffy in his gear 3'rd. However, Cracker attacked the part of his body he could reach that was least coated with armament haki. Stronger haki does not discount the benefit of surprise or intelligence. This could be said for fights across the series. So basically: Sanji's awareness haki + knowledge of the danger that he's in at that time = enough foresight to dodge the initial attack. |
| OH SHIT THE PUDDING IS FALLING FOR THE SANJI IT IS HAPPENING REALLY!!!!111 |
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| and people are saying sanji's been booted out of the monster trio..... easily dodging an attack from a sweet commander like nothing O.o |
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Isterio said: Fair enough, I'll accept that. And to be honest, I haven't been on here in months so I don't really know what you've posted recently anyways... I'm just going by what I see whenever I'm on. So I apologize if jumped the gun. It's reasonable to not like every single thing. Tbh I guess I just kinda see you as my rival on here lol.Well to avoid lengthy discussion I´ll just point out what developments in One Piece I loved in recent history, honest 10/10 material. First there is the Trafalgar Law flashback. It gave a former minor character enough personality to rival that of the main characters of the series. Prior to the flashback, Law was a smart, calculating, introvert rival of Luffy that saved his life during a crucial moment in the story for unknown reasons. We also knew that he had a grudge against Doflamingo that was strong enough for him to go through decade long preparation to kill him. The flashback not only answered all the questions towards his reasoning, So as not to get off track of the OP though, I'll just say that while it was a predictable outcome, I still think it was satisfying to see, and was within reason. I'm sure if she had more time to think it over, she would've gone with the plan anyway, but it got too hectic too fast. I honestly feel like Sanji somewhat planned that, despite how retarded he was acting. I think it was genuine, but had he not already known she had a 3rd eye, he might've actually been shocked for a minute. |
| Am I the only one feeling that Pudding is gonna do a 180 the way Boa did? |
| Das Feenreich! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUvxzKt5GoM |
| That's like the greatest and beautiful way to make someone hate Luffy forever |
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OnePieceGr8ness said: Going against your code is absolutely character regression because it alleviates the purpose of establishing the code to begin with. It really isn't rocket science. Sanji refusing to hit a random Enies Lobby agent because she's female and him choosing to ignore the lies of a woman who has been established as an emotional manipulator and soon-to-be murderor of his entire family is different. One is an extremity; relying on inextricable thematic links to Sanji's whole character and the other is a simple challenge to the physicallity of his principle. Pudding's was a mental/ethical challenge. Pudding WAS a mental and ethical challenge, yes, but it's not that different when Sanji refused to hit Kalfia, the life of Robin was on the line that time too. (obviously besides the fact that he was awarded for it) The whole point of this was obvious anyway, the one time Sanji's morals and principles are most likely to bite him in the ass in the most major of ways, it doesn't. This is the EXACT same thing he did with Viola, not sure why it's that surprising. I would have much preferred if it was subverted this time around, but it's not even remotely surprising. This is only what already happened with Viola, it's what happened with fucking Gin back in Volume 6 when Sanji was first introduced. Straw-Hat does a kind thing to once evil person and is rewarded with it. Those were are different because it was much much faster before the buildup came in. It's EXACT same thing Sanji has gone through over and over. Because no one got it the first time. It's perfectly fine by itself, it's just so damn annoying for it to happen the what, fourth time? And I mean, out of all the times you take this kind of angle, it's in Totland? I guess it was supposed to reflect on Big Mom's hypocrisy, but come on, you have talking candy and crocodiles. edit: rest of the chapter was great. But Pudding's reasoning just seems thin, tried and true. It makes her a more interesting character, I guess. |
ashfrliebertApr 18, 2017 6:47 PM
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OnePieceGr8ness said: "Straw-Hat does a kind thing to once evil person and is rewarded." - that's an incredibly general way of putting it. Sanji does chivalrous thing to once evil person and is rewarded. "The one time his morals are most likely to bite him in the ass, it doesn't." That's my whole point. The more likely it is, the more you question wether or not Sanji is just gonna betray his and his mentor's ethics; to the point where people are actually accepting of him to do it. But he didn't. Because he's that strong of a character. Yes, I'm aware that's "Oda's" whole point, in particular, that's why I mentioned it. And I find it repetitive. For a person with Johan Liebert on his pic, I doubt you understand what makes Monster so great either. The fact that Tenma's morals get reinstated over and over again is the same with Sanji. SPOILERS: In the end, he didn't even get to shoot Johan which was actually incredibly mature and brilliant writing because it emphasised how strong Dr. Tenma's valour and code of honour was. Now, Naoki Ursawa is a more sophisticated and talented writer so he was able to disguise the scenarios better but it's the same case. It's alot easier to take Tenma's moral struggle of life and death seriously (and respectfully) then it is Sanji moral struggle of chivalry. And I find it far more fascinating. It's One Piece, I get that being silly is the "point", but you can only go so far. Tenma alone is a much more interesting character than Sanji (not as fun as character though), and his struggle is more...humanlike and relatable. His moral struggle between life and death...hits you more than Sanji's moral struggle between chivalry and "oh my god my abusive family's going to die". Know what I'm saying? I don't find it badly written, a character's morals are tested to the brink, and at the time where they are at their very lowest, their morals win out, this was clearly "the point" of these past 60 chapters. I understand what he's trying to do. I simply find it DONE. Baratie was literally about Sanji and his desire to feed the hungry, from beginning to end. Gin was built entirely around that narrative, in a similar way. From literally the chapter he was introduced, Gin was built for his turn around redemptive stand against Don Krieg. And look, the problem with this twist isn't really Sanji, I mean, I don't like it, but like I said, it's formulaic because it works I guess. I think actually seeing Temna's struggle for those twenty-so volume, while Johan was stooped so low off his imaginary pedestal by a little kid, truly represents the difference, we Sanji struggle for good on 7 volumes, but "his moment" just wasn't as satisfying as Temna knocking Johan off his pedestal and holding on to his morals. Anyway, I don't like it but I do agree with you that the problem here is mostly with Pudding character and not with Sanji's. Pudding's past backstory was only vaguely hinted and foreshadowed, but because of what we already knew about Oda's writing, virtually half the readers already expected this would simply happen. Because it is formulaic, to that extent. Gin has never and will never appear again, yet he feels more like an actual character than Pudding, Pudding feels simply a narrative device for Sanji to reinstate his morals. She has been reduced to absolutely nothing more than that, this chapter. Johan alone is a vastly more interesting character than Pudding, but I highly doubt anyone who's read both would disagree with me here. Edit: Okay, okay, I've changed my perspective here. This is the most Sanji has done in at least the past seven years now. I don't wanna diss my boy on his shining moment. I'm not mad at him. The reason this has the good impact it does is because, as it's obviously been building up the start, Sanji has been suffering for the entire arc. Obviously, Oda was going to make him end his suffering on a bang and redeem himself for everytime he's failed since at least Fishman Island...I get "the point" here. I'm not upset about him, overall. I think the real negative attention should probably go to Pudding. I still don't like it very much, but I concede my point. It's fine on it's own. |
ashfrliebertApr 19, 2017 10:39 AM
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MoonStar9 said: Great chapter. Katakuri's hype took a dive though. Has OP precog but still gets dodged? Or should I take this as a feat for Sanji? Also, not fond of Pudding's backstory. There are Minks, Giants, Fishmen, Dwarves, and long-limbed tribesmen among all consorts of DF users but a third eye is freaky? I can't swallow that one. Still really engrossing chapter, and Sanji did something cool so I'm happy as well. I think you should take it as a feat for Sanji because he has similar haki with that guy and he probably can see attacks coming a little just like the other guy can see a little into the future. blfan said: That is all it took to get Pudding to stop her murder ambition, and maybe not sway her to our side but at least not be helping Big Ma is saying your eye is beautiful, part of me thinks that is brilliant writing, another part of me really that is kind of lame and anti climatic. I hate to bring this compassion up, but I have to mention if this was Fairy Tail and Pudding was a Fairy Tail villain that turned because of this, everyone would be screaming to high heaven, this is terrible, Hiro Mashima is a terrible writer, but since this is One Piece everyone is going to phrasing it, Oda is a genius. But Putting hasn't turned right this moment. She didn't decide she loves him and she's not gonna kill him at that moment or anything like that. She was mostly shocked by hearing what she always wished to hear and just became unable to think of anything including the murder plan. She may fall inlove with him because he accepted her fully but at that specific moment she wasn't thinking about love or anything like that. she was just touched and shocked by what she heard. |
MonadApr 27, 2017 11:43 AM
| This is classic Oda turning a charcter's flaw into a strength. |
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