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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Some really great revleations about Momo's family. It's going to be tough to get the remaining info about Raftel. Seeing everyone's reaction to Robin's faith was hilarious!  |
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| Great episode. All these revelations still give me chills whenever I hear about them. Chibi Luffy in Usopp's plan was cute. xD Loved it when Robin said she now has strong nakama to protect to her, The crew blushing was hilarious. xD They sure dragged out the end with all the crying but it sure was sad that Oden was executed. :( |
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| These kind of episodes are really great. We get to know more about the One Piece world, it's history and all the secrets that are spread around the world waiting to be discovered. That and the feeling of adventure at times are the main reason why One Piece is so amazing. Also, the villains' laughs. The laughs are important. |
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| Dayum great ep. Luffy's mad now, he's gonna beat the shit out of kaido now. |
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| well everyone is so devoted to Nico Robi.... I guess the straw hats are lucky when the are able to get their hands on such a valuable information |
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| Poor little momonosuke boy,living with such a burden. #FreeDoflamingo lol. |
| I watch OP for these moments - discovery, adventure and world-building. Couldn't help but tear up at a couple parts lmao. |
| Got kinda confused with the scene with Jack and the Marines. I'm assuming Jack lost? Was that what they were trying to portray. They could have made it more clean |
| #freedoflamingo lol yay, we learned abour wano. so uh... i get it's a two front war going after big mom and kaido at same time? but uh, what is priority? and then shanks is to the other alliance and blackbeard is to revolutionart army but that is true, people will target robin specifically, poor girl. sooooo will robin teach momo how to read? |
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| The Kozuki's made the ponegliffs. And Oden was part of Roger's crew, and he was executed because Kaido wanted to know where Raftel is, damn. I suppose that the shogun of Wano is controled by Kaido too. |
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| Woah learning the history of the Kozuki's was interesting. I'm glad that Kaidou and Big Mom have 2 of the poneglyphs in their possession, I've got a feeling that Shanks has the third. So Luffy makes a decision in the next episode? I bet he says something about defeating Kaidou and taking the Land of Wano back. |
Fang said: Woah learning the history of the Kozuki's was interesting. I'm glad that Kaidou and Big Mom have 2 of the poneglyphs in their possession, I've got a feeling that Shanks has the third. So Luffy makes a decision in the next episode? I bet he says something about defeating Kaidou and taking the Land of Wano back. I wonder if shanks even needs the ponygleiph He already knows where raftel is and probably visited it and even knows what is one piece being a part of the pirates king crew... |
Kja95 said: I'm pretty sure Shanks and Buggy had left the crew before they reached Raftel. (Edit: Even if Shanks does know where Raftel is maybe he's just protecting the poneglyth I'm not sure now. Does he need a reason?) I don't have any reason for why he'd have it other than it wouldn't surprise me as it'd be convenient to my prediction. I've always thought that Shanks would die, I mean, wouldn't it be weird for Luffy to actually give the hat back? So, what I believe is that Blackbeard will kill Shanks, taking the poneglyth in the process. Oda said there would be a giant war at the end of the series so maybe it'd be between Luffy and Blackbeard to end the series. A battle between Blackbeard's crew and the Straw Hats is inevitable imo, they are the complete opposites of eachother... It's one hell of a longshot but I think it'd make sense.I wonder if shanks even needs the ponygleiph He already knows where raftel is and probably visited it and even knows what is one piece being a part of the pirates king crew... |
| And the info storm begins xD.I enjoyed all these revelations in the manga,but it was nice to remember some things that I forgot in the anime as well.Easily one of the best episodes of Zou arc and also loved the clash between Jack and the marines. |
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| Some big reveals in this one - looks like our Wano quartet will be playing a significant part yet! |
| I'm Bruneian and I like anime. And Manchester United. And fat cats. |
| So dragged out I almost cried :'( The jack part was okay. |
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| Im not quite sure i got it right. So Oden was executed by the shogun of the land of wano and Kaido or Kaido was the shogun that executed him.Got bit confused. |
| And the quest for one piece is back on! |
| Damn awesome episode. .. so .. the 100 years of lost history are the one piece ? + something else .. ? This. |
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Fang said: Kja95 said: I'm pretty sure Shanks and Buggy had left the crew before they reached Raftel. (Edit: Even if Shanks does know where Raftel is maybe he's just protecting the poneglyth I'm not sure now. Does he need a reason?) I don't have any reason for why he'd have it other than it wouldn't surprise me as it'd be convenient to my prediction. I've always thought that Shanks would die, I mean, wouldn't it be weird for Luffy to actually give the hat back? So, what I believe is that Blackbeard will kill Shanks, taking the poneglyth in the process. Oda said there would be a giant war at the end of the series so maybe it'd be between Luffy and Blackbeard to end the series. A battle between Blackbeard's crew and the Straw Hats is inevitable imo, they are the complete opposites of eachother... It's one hell of a longshot but I think it'd make sense.I wonder if shanks even needs the ponygleiph He already knows where raftel is and probably visited it and even knows what is one piece being a part of the pirates king crew... Shanks and Buggy left the crew after the Pirate King got executed, since their adventures was over and they disbanded their pirate crew. So everyone scattered and decided their life themselves after :3 Rayleigh stayed on Sabaody, Crocus returned to the place where Laboon was, and Shanks and Buggy decided to form their own pirate crews :3 And just because they know where Raftel is doesn't mean it would be possible for them to reach there (at least I doubt Buggy would reach it lol) :3 |
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Kitoge said: Got kinda confused with the scene with Jack and the Marines. I'm assuming Jack lost? Was that what they were trying to portray. They could have made it more clean After witnessing Jacks power in Zou I wonder how tough the battle were since I imagined he would have put up a lot of trouble for the marines :3 Still picking a fight with the marine having a former fleet admiral and a current admiral is far too reckless :3 |
| "No matter what painful things happens, even when it looks like you'll lose... when no one else in the world believes in you... when you don't even believe in yourself... I will believe in you!" |
Kja95 said: I wonder if shanks even needs the ponygleiph He already knows where raftel is and probably visited it and even knows what is one piece being a part of the pirates king crew... SaineDev said: Thanks for pointing that out. Shouldn't buggy and shanks know where raftel is. Why is buggy at the beginning of OP so surprised about luffy wanting to find one peice? Correct me someone if I'm wrong, but I believe the current and most approved of theory is that Shanks and Buggy have both been to Raftel and know what the One Piece is. After all, Shanks has never expressed interest in finding the One Piece. Same with Buggy. For Shanks, he probably respects Roger and Rayleigh enough to let the new generation of pirates look for it. As for Buggy, we all know that he LOVES material wealth. Considering that he doesn't even show interest in finding it, we can assume that he at least sorta knows what the One Piece is and we can also assume that the One Piece is not some treasure of material wealth. |
| Oh boy that were some serious revelations. Kaido and Big Mum both have a poneglyph and the last one isn't even known so far, maybe the marine has it how knows. It's true what Nekomamushi said. If someone of the Yonko or someone else find more information about the poneglyphs Robin will be in danger. The reaction of everyone after she said she has strong friends was absolut hilarious :D I didn't Momo's familiy to be the creators of the poneglyphs. That's crazy. And not only that. Momo's father was with Gold Roger on Raftel? For real? O.o No wonder why Kaido tried to get informations from him. That he even executed him is so sad. Poor Momo :( I can imagine what will happen in the next episode, but now Luffy really has a reason for fighting Kaido. That's so cool. I'm pretty blown away and can't wait to see what they will say in the next episode. |
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Fang said: Kja95 said: I'm pretty sure Shanks and Buggy had left the crew before they reached Raftel. (Edit: Even if Shanks does know where Raftel is maybe he's just protecting the poneglyth I'm not sure now. Does he need a reason?) I don't have any reason for why he'd have it other than it wouldn't surprise me as it'd be convenient to my prediction. I've always thought that Shanks would die, I mean, wouldn't it be weird for Luffy to actually give the hat back? So, what I believe is that Blackbeard will kill Shanks, taking the poneglyth in the process. Oda said there would be a giant war at the end of the series so maybe it'd be between Luffy and Blackbeard to end the series. A battle between Blackbeard's crew and the Straw Hats is inevitable imo, they are the complete opposites of eachother... It's one hell of a longshot but I think it'd make sense.I wonder if shanks even needs the ponygleiph He already knows where raftel is and probably visited it and even knows what is one piece being a part of the pirates king crew... Why pretty sure , it's not even mentioned in the manga.. For the last battle I assume it will be against akainu and world government, for luffy to revenge ace death and for the celestial dragon system to collapse I assume also the last poneglyph will go to blackbeard I think shanks will let luffy have his hat forever seeing how much luffy has matured... Shanks die... Very unlikely , no one will die again after ace death For now it's tooooo early to even think about it |
Kja95Dec 26, 2016 1:31 AM
Kitoge said: Kja95 said: I wonder if shanks even needs the ponygleiph He already knows where raftel is and probably visited it and even knows what is one piece being a part of the pirates king crew... SaineDev said: Thanks for pointing that out. Shouldn't buggy and shanks know where raftel is. Why is buggy at the beginning of OP so surprised about luffy wanting to find one peice? Correct me someone if I'm wrong, but I believe the current and most approved of theory is that Shanks and Buggy have both been to Raftel and know what the One Piece is. After all, Shanks has never expressed interest in finding the One Piece. Same with Buggy. For Shanks, he probably respects Roger and Rayleigh enough to let the new generation of pirates look for it. As for Buggy, we all know that he LOVES material wealth. Considering that he doesn't even show interest in finding it, we can assume that he at least sorta knows what the One Piece is and we can also assume that the One Piece is not some treasure of material wealth. 100% agree or maybe one piece is still a treasure but buggy unexpectedly respects roger achievements too , we saw him cry in loguetown the moment of roger execution... |
Kitoge said: Correct me someone if I'm wrong, but I believe the current and most approved of theory is that Shanks and Buggy have both been to Raftel and know what the One Piece is. After all, Shanks has never expressed interest in finding the One Piece. Same with Buggy. For Shanks, he probably respects Roger and Rayleigh enough to let the new generation of pirates look for it. As for Buggy, we all know that he LOVES material wealth. Considering that he doesn't even show interest in finding it, we can assume that he at least sorta knows what the One Piece is and we can also assume that the One Piece is not some treasure of material wealth. nice thought there but maybe only important staff of crew know location both of them were just newbie Ot: that some kinda huge info we got here , so momo dad travled to raftel Robin will be in danger in future |
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| It's these kinds of episodes that really build One Piece into the spectacle that it is. The Poneglyphs, Robin's role, and Roger's crew...oh that's good stuff. |
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| Oh god this torture, I can't wait a week for every episode. Good combination of humour, seriousness, and great reveals. The only thing I miss is Sanji and what is his current situation. I miss Sanji and Zoro fights lol |
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| The Kozuki family created the Ponegliffs 800 years ago! They also can read them. Until now, because Kozuki Oden was executed by Kaido before Oden's son Momonosuke learned to read them. And Kaido's Beast Pirates are still in the Land of Wano. Luffy get more and more mad about Kaido. Also, beside the one Road Ponegliff in Zou, Kaido and Big Mom each have one Road Ponegliff. The location of the fourth Road Ponegliff is unknown. The whole episode is a good build-up for future clashes and adventures. |
| All this is getting more exciting, they are closer to raftel now and we can watch all the loyalty in the crew, Robin reminded me today that great enies lobby saga. |
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| Finally catch up with this series...after 2 weeks of watching. Now, guess I will went off to read the manga. |
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| Annoying that they like to stretch out shocking events like when Luffy beaten Doflamingo and in this case the death of Momo's father, Oden. Beside that, the ep. were average. Loved the funny moment with Luffy. His stupidness doesn't know any boundaries. :P That Robin would be hunted were pretty obvious since she currently the only one who can read ponegylphs. But what I like is she has full trust in her nakama's which she lacked of in the Water 7/Enies Lobby saga (even we all understand why, poor girl). I had a feeling that the other two red ponegylphs were under two of the emperors control. I wonder if Shanks have the last one? It could be very possible, since I believe he is also one of many who want to make Luffy the king of pirates. It would also be in Blackbeard's hands which would make a good reason for their fight we all have been waiting for. This week no ep. Oh well, I guess I will survive since there is so many other anime to watch. |
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Fang said: Kja95 said: I'm pretty sure Shanks and Buggy had left the crew before they reached Raftel. (Edit: Even if Shanks does know where Raftel is maybe he's just protecting the poneglyth I'm not sure now. Does he need a reason?) I don't have any reason for why he'd have it other than it wouldn't surprise me as it'd be convenient to my prediction. I've always thought that Shanks would die, I mean, wouldn't it be weird for Luffy to actually give the hat back? So, what I believe is that Blackbeard will kill Shanks, taking the poneglyth in the process. Oda said there would be a giant war at the end of the series so maybe it'd be between Luffy and Blackbeard to end the series. A battle between Blackbeard's crew and the Straw Hats is inevitable imo, they are the complete opposites of eachother... It's one hell of a longshot but I think it'd make sense.I wonder if shanks even needs the ponygleiph He already knows where raftel is and probably visited it and even knows what is one piece being a part of the pirates king crew... That's actually a good reason. Because I think you are right. Maybe he knows the location and have a red poneglyth himself. I believe one of the major reason he is doing this if my thoughts is correct is to actually make Luffy the pirate king. Both Rayleigh and Shanks are members of Roger's crew and if you think about it they are very similar in many ways. Maybe, just like Rayleigh, Shanks wants Luffy to find the location of One Piece himself. I am sure you remember how mad he went when Usopp asked what One Piece were. I think this is a very high possibility. But just as you say I believe Blackbeard will maybe kill Shanks and that won't give him an opportunity to see Luffy before he is dead himself. In this way Luffy won't give the hat back to Shanks, but someone who cares for the same things Luffy and Roger does. |
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clin7eas7wood said: Im not quite sure i got it right. So Oden was executed by the shogun of the land of wano and Kaido or Kaido was the shogun that executed him.Got bit confused. Since Kaido and his crew have taken over the land of wano with force it makes him the king (or "shogun"). But he is not "shogun" by inheritance. Momo is the one that should be shogun. But since Kaido rules over their land now, he is the king or "shogun" which makes sense. So in other words Kaido who is the shogun executed Oden for not telling him were Raftael is. |
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| Hate to say it, but I am getting really tired of all the crying in the series lately. This ep was the worst so far for it. Other than that, it was about time some real info on the poneglyphs came out. I really want to learn what happened in the missing hundred years. |
mangalicker94 said: Fang said: I'm pretty sure Shanks and Buggy had left the crew before they reached Raftel. (Edit: Even if Shanks does know where Raftel is maybe he's just protecting the poneglyth I'm not sure now. Does he need a reason?) I don't have any reason for why he'd have it other than it wouldn't surprise me as it'd be convenient to my prediction. I've always thought that Shanks would die, I mean, wouldn't it be weird for Luffy to actually give the hat back? So, what I believe is that Blackbeard will kill Shanks, taking the poneglyth in the process. Oda said there would be a giant war at the end of the series so maybe it'd be between Luffy and Blackbeard to end the series. A battle between Blackbeard's crew and the Straw Hats is inevitable imo, they are the complete opposites of eachother... It's one hell of a longshot but I think it'd make sense. That's actually a good reason. Because I think you are right. Maybe he knows the location and have a red poneglyth himself. I believe one of the major reason he is doing this if my thoughts is correct is to actually make Luffy the pirate king. Both Rayleigh and Shanks are members of Roger's crew and if you think about it they are very similar in many ways. Maybe, just like Rayleigh, Shanks wants Luffy to find the location of One Piece himself. I am sure you remember how mad he went when Usopp asked what One Piece were. I think this is a very high possibility. But just as you say I believe Blackbeard will maybe kill Shanks and that won't give him an opportunity to see Luffy before he is dead himself. In this way Luffy won't give the hat back to Shanks, but someone who cares for the same things Luffy and Roger does. Do you really think that oda preserved shank for the end just to get killed, Iam pretty sure oda will make him play an important role in the future Shanks is damn too strong you are taking him too lightly even sengoku respects him I like shanks too much , can't wait to see how powerful he is and know more about him and his crew I will be disappointed in oda if he made that blackbeard be responsible for killing 2 yonku ,shanks beside whitebeard At least I hope that doesn't happen... |
Kja95Jan 4, 2017 11:18 PM
| Why won't these damn yonkos go after Rayleigh? He's also a crew of Roger. |
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| While he is still a moron, I have to give props to Jack for actually attacking these 4 ships with at least two admiral fighters on it :o PrimeX said: Why won't these damn yonkos go after Rayleigh? He's also a crew of Roger. Probably because he's not the king of a country, he could be everywhere. |
| So another reason to fight Kaido I guess. |
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| This episode gave me chills down to my spine. |
| Awesome, more information regarding the glyphes and Raftel. |
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| Stop hyping me up for Wano when it's not gonna happen for god knows how long!!! *0* Also, Gold and Oden. I finally get what it means. These links are crazy though, Momonosuke's father being part of Roger's crew, and then the whole thing with the Kozukis making the Poneglyphs in the first place. The plot thickens indeed! Also hit me in the feels when Robin basically said she doesn't care if anyone comes after her because she knows the crew's got her back ;-; I really hope nothing bad happens to her in later arcs though. It's gonna get dangerous for everyone, but Robin needs to be extra extra careful. Imagine if Kaido came after her for her knowledge? I doubt the Straw Hats could save her from a monster like him :/ |
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| I find it surprising how the Wano Kingdom were the ones that wrote it. I was thinking that the Poneglyphs were written by people from an Egyptian-style of land and culture but we haven't really seen anyone like that so far. |
| The whole 4 poneglyphs thing doesn't make sense -you should be able to find Raftel with 2 or 3....Nami sucks for shutting down Chopper. The only way you would need more; is if it moves and/or it only appears at a certain time. |
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