Bungo Stray Dogs
DO NOT discuss the source material beyond this episode. If you want to discuss future events or theories, please use separate threads.
DO NOT ask where to watch/download this episode or give links to copyrighted, non-fair use material.
DO NOT troll/bait/harass/abuse other users for liking or disliking the series/characters.
DO read the Anime Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.
DO NOT ask where to watch/download this episode or give links to copyrighted, non-fair use material.
DO NOT troll/bait/harass/abuse other users for liking or disliking the series/characters.
DO read the Anime Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.
| The scene when Kyouka smiles and blushes. Very cute. Enjoyed this show, wouldn't mind another season, needs more dere Kyouka screentime. |
| I kind of left a tear or two when Kyouka showed up and when Dazai quoted Oda once again. Would recommend the manga if you want to continue on the story since I'm not sure S3 will be happening |
| Can't believe it's over, never thought that i would love this anime so much. That fight gave me goosebumps, it was so epic watching The Agency & Port's Mafia fighting together as one against that rich dude. I'm so happy that everything had a happy ending, and as it seems the Agency's boss is stronger than i thought, without him nothing this would be possible. Kyouka was so cute omg!!! Glad that she joined the Agency. From what Dazai said it's still not the end, we still have the "final boss", so i hope for a 3rd season!!! Since the anime did well. Definitely one of the best animes this year, the characters, the plot... everything was perfect. Who knew that i would love so much this show? 9/10. Protect this smile <3  |
"There is no such thing as an Anime elitist. You watch Anime, therefore, you are trash by society's standards." |
| Well that was a nice finale. Huge improvement over S1 and a lot more enjoyable too. Would be happy to see a third season. |
| really enjoyed this episode we saw the best in kyouka and atsushi as well as akutagawa, Dazai is the mvp for setting up this whole elaborate plan. S3 confirmed? many hints and clues leading into much more to come if they build off this momentum this show will see good things in the near future, this season is a 8.4/10 |
| Happy for Kyouka and Akutagawa. Great season. The flashback was badass, and then we had the all-out war right after. Looking forward to another season in the future. |
| I think I enjoyed this second season way more than the first one, the first arc was amazing and this last two episodes were really good too. The "see you" at the end gives me hope for a third season, tho I will not get my hopes too high. |
 |
| First off the fight scene at the beginning was amazing. Atushi and Akutagawa are a perfect combo working together. I freaked the fuck out when I thought Kyouka died but thank god she survived due to Dazai's master plan so my big ship AtsushiXKyouka continues! They were so cute together at the end XD Also Dazai finally acknowledged that poor child Akutagawa which was great. Season 3 when!? |
 |
   when senpai notices you |
| I didn't like season 1 but surprisingly season 2 is great. Also Fyodor's voice is great. |
| The first arc is was the only good part of this series. In saying that, they always manage to generate hype from nothing. The ED was fuggin good too. 7 |
 |
| Amazing ending to this season. omg Season 3 teaser. PLEASE SEASON 3😭😭😭 |
| Overall, fantastic series. It really did not expect it after seeing the first season for such an overwhelming good series. Looking forward to season 3. Really liked the music also in the serieus. btw quick question: what was Lovecrafts contract about? |
 |
| What a great finale. This season was definitely a step up from the last season and I'm glad that we got to learn more about Dazai's past and that Atsushi got some much needed development. Kyouka was so cute towards the end of the episode and came a long ways this season as well. Atsushi is just a bit old for her, but their relationship is nice and I think both were positive influences on each other. The Guild were good villains this season and I loved all the easter eggs from American literature. Fitzgerald reminiscing about Zelda was sad since I have a feeling that the real F. Scott probably would have done the same. They had a really complicated relationship with him being an alcoholic and her being diagnosed with schizophrenia, Zelda had high medical bills and liked to live a luxurious lifestyle thus why his power was based on money. A very sad and complicated relationship, but I think the two truly loved each other. And ha! Fukuzawa's ability " All Men Are Created Equal", even the Constitution gets representation in this anime! Anyways, great second season, liked it much better than the first. 8/10 |
LoomyTheBrew said: Atsushi is just a bit old for her, but their relationship is nice and I think both were positive influences on each other. Lol it's funny how peope say that, but no one questions the lolicon mafia boss Mori "I'm grateful, but i only deal with those under 12" lmao i mean that man did not just say that . |
 |
| That was a satisfying 2nd season episode finale. They used the Full ver OP and the ED of S1 on the last part! Very nice! The full-power combination of Atsushi and Akutagawa finally defeated the Last Emperor! We got another Villain! Fyodor..the Leader of the Underground Organization, I wonder what kind of power does he have!? Kyouka-chan is fine! what a good news and she's formally a member of Detective Agency! Hilarious Akutagawa fainted in front of Dazai! So Mr Herman was a former guild leader 2 generations ago! cool! Lovecraft still survives! This is an exceptional Very Good show, has up and down because of the comedy but it was a very good ride. Hoping for S3! 5/5! 8/10. |
matias067Dec 23, 2016 9:07 PM
 |
| Damn, it's kind of open ending... :( It wasn't too smart to watch it after beding dissaponted from episode of other anime. Oh well, it was nice in the end. I wish for season 3 |
 |
| Hearing a lot of people that second season was much better than the first one rose my hopes but in the end I was disappointed. It was enjoyable and I am really glad they toned down the amount of dumb and rather unfunny comedy but it wasn't engaging nor interesting. Story is meh with random battles here and there with a main villain whose motivation was very generic and didn't live up to the hype at all. Characters were fine but quite basic battle shounen characters with ok characterization an not convincing character development. Moreover the last battle was won by power of friendship with nonsense power scaling. The only thing I can praise about this anime is the animation which was very neat, clean and colourful. I am starting to lie Bones a lot thanks to it but I hope they will adapt better stories in the future. |
zalDec 25, 2016 12:41 PM
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
zal said: The only thing I can praise about this anime is the animation which was very neat, clean and colourful. What? I mean, sure, just don't draw any faces when the character is pretty much in full screen, I'd do that too. Who needs faces anyway! Great art-direction, Bones~ o/ Anyway, the show was alright overall. The 8.x score doesn't seem justified with all the horrible pacing and shounen tropes though. They stuffed like 4-5 chapters into each episode throughout the last part... Why would that be a good idea? Ugh. Also: the usual 'friendship/companionship always wins' ending. Nah, people could waste their time and energy with better shows. |
8lacKy said: I have no idea what you are talking about. There were moments the characters had no faces but when they were pretty far in the background.zal said: The only thing I can praise about this anime is the animation which was very neat, clean and colourful. What? I mean, sure, just don't draw any faces when the character is pretty much in full screen, I'd do that too. Who needs faces anyway! Great art-direction, Bones~ o/ |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
zal said: I have no idea what you are talking about. There were moments the characters had no faces but when they were pretty far in the background. .. URL Linking is really weird with this.. Alright, let's do it like this:       I don't know what "far" means to you, but this is pretty damn on-screen to me.. and it's just from the last EP, mind you. Some EPs had it way worse. |
8lacKy said: zal said: The only thing I can praise about this anime is the animation which was very neat, clean and colourful. What? I mean, sure, just don't draw any faces when the character is pretty much in full screen, I'd do that too. Who needs faces anyway! Great art-direction, Bones~ o/ Anyway, the show was alright overall. The 8.x score doesn't seem justified with all the horrible pacing and shounen tropes though. They stuffed like 4-5 chapters into each episode throughout the last part... Why would that be a good idea? Ugh. Also: the usual 'friendship/companionship always wins' ending. Nah, people could waste their time and energy with better shows. Lol it was only 2 chapters per episode for the guild arc , 3 chapters at most in some episodes . Also the fact some chapter focused on fighting more than dialogue makes it easier to fit the content. check what you say . I won't lie , there were some scenes done better in manga , but most manga readers were satisfied . Dark era was one chapter per episode . I mean sure there were some shounen tropes but so what ? . I mean its an all out war between ability users. It's bound to fall into some of them . I think it was more action packed so naturally it's be kinda fast paced . Akutagawa and atsushi clearly combined 100% of their power and defeated Fitzgerald who had his accounts depleted . There was no power of friendship. the writer was aiming to develop a set of characters and he delivered (you can't possible think all characters will be developed in one single arc of story). i understand your complaint about the no faces in many instances (which was distant shots only), but considering how many fights they had to animate, it's kinda understandable . |
Shishou_23Dec 26, 2016 3:43 PM
|
8lacKy said: That's not quite full-screen as you first said and yes that's a bit far for me so I have no issue with it. That or having the ridiculous faces that sometimes Jojo had this season. This kind of issues are to be expected during the airing period, they might add the details in the DVD release.zal said: I have no idea what you are talking about. There were moments the characters had no faces but when they were pretty far in the background. .. URL Linking is really weird with this.. Alright, let's do it like this: I don't know what "far" means to you, but this is pretty damn on-screen to me.. and it's just from the last EP, mind you. Some EPs had it way worse. @DragonSlayer_19 How much money he spent when he depleted his account? |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
| @zal Idk but he put all his disposable assets that's what we know . But the Tiger Murakumo (Tiger Swarm) is a combination of Rashomon Murakumo (one of rashomon's form) and the tiger punch , and I think it's a fair way to counter Fitzgerald . I mean neither of them could take him on alone unless they found away to put both powers in one attack . Also calling some characters shounen tropes isn't giving them justice at all as each is built carefully based on a certain author . There's more depth to each character if we consider the meta-narrative . |
|
DragonSlayer_19 said: That's what I call power of friendship.@zal Idk but he put all his disposable assets that's what we know . But the Tiger Murakumo (Tiger Swarm) is a combination of Rashomon Murakumo (one of rashomon's form) and the tiger punch , and I think it's a fair way to counter Fitzgerald . I mean neither of them could take him on alone unless they found away to put both powers in one attack . Also calling some characters shounen tropes isn't giving them justice at all as each is built carefully based on a certain author . I've read Ningen Shikkaku based on the book no longer human after Bungo's first season and I don't think Dazai makes justice to it at all. From how I see it they are just generic characters with fancy names and references. |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
zal said: DragonSlayer_19 said: That's what I call power of friendship.@zal Idk but he put all his disposable assets that's what we know . But the Tiger Murakumo (Tiger Swarm) is a combination of Rashomon Murakumo (one of rashomon's form) and the tiger punch , and I think it's a fair way to counter Fitzgerald . I mean neither of them could take him on alone unless they found away to put both powers in one attack . Also calling some characters shounen tropes isn't giving them justice at all as each is built carefully based on a certain author . I've read Ningen Shikkaku based on the book no longer human and I don't think Dazai makes justice to it at all. From how I see it they are just generic characters with fancy names and references.So power of friendship has become a relative term here in our discussion. What looks to me as legit teamwork is friendship power(how funny to use this word in atsushi and Aku's relationship which is hate lol) to you . Oh well , everyone has their opinion . Then we might call any 2v1 a power friendship lol by your definition I haven't read No Longer Human . But guild characters (more familiar with them) were done pretty good . There were some twists given but they were intended and for meta irony like the Ranpo-Poe reverse relationship which i found fun . Also i read "The pearl" by Steinbeck and i saw some themes of his works in his character . |
|
DragonSlayer_19 said: Once the author quantified the amount of strength some characters posses but two characters that were weaker than his previous 500.000 won by combining their power even though theoretically they shouldn't seems typical power of friendship to me despite them not being friends. zal said: That's what I call power of friendship. I've read Ningen Shikkaku based on the book no longer human and I don't think Dazai makes justice to it at all. From how I see it they are just generic characters with fancy names and references. So power of friendship has become a relative term here in our discussion. What looks to me as legit teamwork is friendship (though Aku and atsushi hate each other's guts lol) to you . Oh well , everyone has their opinion . Just putting one power over another is some basic and uncreative teamwork. I haven't read No Longer Human . But guild characters (more familiar with them) were done pretty good . There were some twists given but they were intended and for meta irony like the Ranpo-Poe reverse relationship which i found fun . Also i read "The pearl" by Steinbeck and i saw some themes of his works in his character . They were not good characters as stand alone without the references. Meta jokes are nice but it doesn't pass as good characterization for me. |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
zal said: DragonSlayer_19 said: Once the author quantified the amount of strength some characters posses but two characters that were weaker than his previous 500.000 won by combining their power even though theoretically they shouldn't seems typical power of friendship to me despite them not being friends. So power of friendship has become a relative term here in our discussion. What looks to me as legit teamwork is friendship (though Aku and atsushi hate each other's guts lol) to you . Oh well , everyone has their opinion . Just putting one power over another is some basic and uncreative teamwork. I haven't read No Longer Human . But guild characters (more familiar with them) were done pretty good . There were some twists given but they were intended and for meta irony like the Ranpo-Poe reverse relationship which i found fun . Also i read "The pearl" by Steinbeck and i saw some themes of his works in his character . They were not good characters as stand alone without the references. Meta jokes are nice but it doesn't pass as good characterization for me.They were weaker on their own , but in combination form , there wasn't a previous case to prove they shouldn't be able . It's debatable . I mean atsushi's punch on Fitz's face was repelled, but there is room with all of Rashomon augmenting his fist in one concentrated attack . Rashomon is powerful . Atsushi mentions Aku is powerful but denies that potential because he was always seeking approval from a specific audience who have eventually delivered it to him . They did spend all of their physical strength to the point both weren't able to fight also and hit the floor after the last attack and he was still capable of standing despite having his ability exhausted and staggering to his fall eventually. Well no shit . One of the big reasons the guild characters are interesting is because they're based on famous authors most people heard of and read from , and that already gives the author an advantage in presenting them and defining them not only through actions and dialogues but also through unique abilities derived from their work . Why are you abandoning a piece of the work to prove a point ? This was a typical "if it weren't for X, they wouldn't be ..." Reply . Anyways, i wouldn't like to drag the discussion thread , so we can discuss in another place or end it here as it's becoming a debate lol i understand the points you're making, and I'm just presenting mine . |
Shishou_23Dec 26, 2016 4:50 PM
|
DragonSlayer_19 said: Yeah, pretty much the tyical Fairy tail fight, entertaining but nonsense.zal said: Once the author quantified the amount of strength some characters posses but two characters that were weaker than his previous 500.000 won by combining their power even though theoretically they shouldn't seems typical power of friendship to me despite them not being friends. Just putting one power over another is some basic and uncreative teamwork. They were not good characters as stand alone without the references. Meta jokes are nice but it doesn't pass as good characterization for me. They were weaker on their own , but in combination form , there wasn't a previous case to prove they shouldn't be able . It's debatable . I mean atsushi's punch on Fitz's face was repelled, but there is room with all of Rashomon augmenting his fist . Rashomon is powerful . Atsushi mentions Aku is powerful but denies that potential because he was always seeking approval from a specific audience who have eventually delivered it to him . They did spend all of their physical strength to the point both weren't able to fight also and hit the floor after the last attack and he was still capable of standing despite having his ability exhausted and staggering to his fall eventually. Well no shit . One of the big reasons the guild characters are interesting is because they're based on famous authors most people heard of and read from, So you are basically admitting that a big part of their characterization is derived from other's people work, that's not a compliment.and that already gives the author an advantage in presenting them and defining them not only through actions and dialogues but also through unique abilities derived from their work. Basically lazy, instead of making up his own characters the author just makes them based on existing characters and people. Moreover most of the powers and their usage were rather boring, they pale in comparison to Jojo part 4 (manga ended in 1995) that finished this season. Why are you abandoning a piece of the work to prove a point ? This was a typical "if it weren't for X, they wouldn't be ..." Reply . I don't think I am doing that if it weren't for the meta jokes they would be bad characters. I am more saying that despite the meta jokes being nice they don't make for good characterization, nor references to the original works make for good characterization. |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
zal said: DragonSlayer_19 said: Yeah, pretty much the tyical Fairy tail fight, entertaining but nonsense.They were weaker on their own , but in combination form , there wasn't a previous case to prove they shouldn't be able . It's debatable . I mean atsushi's punch on Fitz's face was repelled, but there is room with all of Rashomon augmenting his fist . Rashomon is powerful . Atsushi mentions Aku is powerful but denies that potential because he was always seeking approval from a specific audience who have eventually delivered it to him . They did spend all of their physical strength to the point both weren't able to fight also and hit the floor after the last attack and he was still capable of standing despite having his ability exhausted and staggering to his fall eventually. Well no shit . One of the big reasons the guild characters are interesting is because they're based on famous authors most people heard of and read from, So you are basically admitting that a big part of their characterization is derived from other's people work, that's not a compliment.and that already gives the author an advantage in presenting them and defining them not only through actions and dialogues but also through unique abilities derived from their work. Basically lazy, instead of making up his own characters the author just makes them based on existing characters and people. Moreover most of the powers and their usage were rather boring, they pale in comparison to Jojo part 4 (manga ended in 1995) that finished this season. Why are you abandoning a piece of the work to prove a point ? This was a typical "if it weren't for X, they wouldn't be ..." Reply . I don't think I am doing that if it weren't for the meta jokes they would be bad characters. I am more saying that despite the meta jokes being nice they don't make for good characterization, nor references to the original works make for good characterization.Lol being lazy ? you know how much knowledge of literature he would have to gain in order to use it to build his characters and integrate it within them , it's not just simple and basic referencing and doing jokes imo. It's building an actual narrative while maintaining the meta-narrative . And just because he has some means, doesn't mean it'll be an easy job . It gives him some advantage but by no means does it make an easy job, and he'll have to know how to use it. What does JoJo or anything have to do with this ? Last i remember, we're discussing BSD, and now you want to draw comparisons ... Well okay . |
Shishou_23Dec 26, 2016 5:23 PM
|
DragonSlayer_19 said: LoomyTheBrew said: Atsushi is just a bit old for her, but their relationship is nice and I think both were positive influences on each other. Lol it's funny how peope say that, but no one questions the lolicon mafia boss Mori "I'm grateful, but i only deal with those under 12" lmao i mean that man did not just say that . Hahaha that's right! I completely overlooked that... Very creepy! He's literally a self-proclaimed pedo! akaPassion said: LoomyTheBrew said: And ha! Fukuzawa's ability " All Men Are Created Equal", even the Constitution gets representation in this anime! That's actually the line from Fukuzawa's work 'An Encouragement of Learning'. I hadn't check if the original text similar to Constitution translated into Japanese (i.e. if Fukuzawa expanded its ideas, or used completely different wording), but the first source is definitely that essay. Ah I gotcha, might have been missed in translation or just it's a coincidence that both have the same line, I would have never known. Thanks for the info. |
zal said: DragonSlayer_19 said: Yeah, pretty much the tyical Fairy tail fight, entertaining but nonsense.They were weaker on their own , but in combination form , there wasn't a previous case to prove they shouldn't be able . It's debatable . I mean atsushi's punch on Fitz's face was repelled, but there is room with all of Rashomon augmenting his fist . Rashomon is powerful . Atsushi mentions Aku is powerful but denies that potential because he was always seeking approval from a specific audience who have eventually delivered it to him . They did spend all of their physical strength to the point both weren't able to fight also and hit the floor after the last attack and he was still capable of standing despite having his ability exhausted and staggering to his fall eventually. Well no shit . One of the big reasons the guild characters are interesting is because they're based on famous authors most people heard of and read from, So you are basically admitting that a big part of their characterization is derived from other's people work, that's not a compliment.and that already gives the author an advantage in presenting them and defining them not only through actions and dialogues but also through unique abilities derived from their work. Basically lazy, instead of making up his own characters the author just makes them based on existing characters and people. Moreover most of the powers and their usage were rather boring, they pale in comparison to Jojo part 4 (manga ended in 1995) that finished this season. Why are you abandoning a piece of the work to prove a point ? This was a typical "if it weren't for X, they wouldn't be ..." Reply . I don't think I am doing that if it weren't for the meta jokes they would be bad characters. I am more saying that despite the meta jokes being nice they don't make for good characterization, nor references to the original works make for good characterization.Sorry to intrude in your argument, but this caught my attention. I would like to ask @zal a couple of things. 1. Since when teamwork=power of friendship ? Has Fairy Tail brainwashed you in to thinking everything related to teamwork means automatic friendship and powerups ? And as @DragonSlayer_19 said, the two characters hate each other, they're not friends. This is more of a case "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". 2.The characters aren't meant to be 100% accurate to their real life counterparts and the author said it. He doesn't want them to be completely like the writers they are based upon.(This wasn't a question but i feel like a had to address that.) Another thing i have to address is that Jojo is overhyped by the community to the point where people think it's a flawless masterpiece, but it's not. I haven't watched much of it, but from what i've seen, the characters aren't that interesting and there is nothing exactly great about them. But that's just me i guess, the only one on the planet that did not see the appeal to Jojo. 3.Why are the characters to you bad, what makes them bad in your eyes ? 4.Since you are very "knowledgeable" about this, do enlighten me on how proper characterization and development should be done. |
Vlad4o said: Just having Rashomon cover Atsushi's arm I hardly call that team work but if I do it's the bad kind. It's is basic and not creative. There are characters with all kinds of powers and you end the last enemy with pure strength? This is like Dragonball where who screams louder is stronger just because. Not only this but most of the fights were pretty much non-interesting and dull.zal said: Yeah, pretty much the tyical Fairy tail fight, entertaining but nonsense. So you are basically admitting that a big part of their characterization is derived from other's people work, that's not a compliment. Basically lazy, instead of making up his own characters the author just makes them based on existing characters and people. Moreover most of the powers and their usage were rather boring, they pale in comparison to Jojo part 4 (manga ended in 1995) that finished this season. I don't think I am doing that if it weren't for the meta jokes they would be bad characters. I am more saying that despite the meta jokes being nice they don't make for good characterization, nor references to the original works make for good characterization. Sorry to intrude in your argument, but this caught my attention. I would like to ask @zal a couple of things. 1. Since when teamwork=power of friendship ? Has Fairy Tail brainwashed you in to thinking everything related to teamwork means automatic friendship and powerups ? Saving Atshushi with rashomon from falling was a nice start for teamwork but not how it ended up. 2.The characters aren't meant to be 100% accurate to their real life counterparts and the author said it. He doesn't want them to be completely like the writers they are based upon.(This wasn't a question but i feel like a had to address that.) That's not the issue. My problem is how they are just imitation with generic characterization. Recently I've watched Hyouge Mono and despite having as its characters actual historical personalities like Oda Nobunaga, I don't need to know Japan's history to appreciate them and their characterization, that's just a bonus. In Bungo Stray Dogs what should be a bonus is a main feature.Another thing i have to address is that Jojo is overhyped by the community to the point where people think it's a flawless masterpiece, but it's not. I haven't watched much of it, but from what i've seen, the characters aren't that interesting and there is nothing exactly great about them. But that's just me i guess, the only one on the planet that did not see the appeal to Jojo. Jojo is fun. I don't think it is flawless but it is a masterpiece like it or not, together with Dragonball they changed anime and manga forever, you pretty much should thank Jojo for the powers in Bungo stray dogs, Darker than Black and similar shows. Also I wasn't saying it is perfect but the creativity of the powers (especially from part 3 onwards) and the way Araki manages to push their use as far as he can it's incredible. That was 20 years ago, now some works have some cool powers but they don't really make full use of them, they are there just for flavour if battles end up in a confrontation of raw power.I said Jojo because it aired this season as well but I could name more anime that make more clever use of character's powers like Hunter x Hunter or even anime/manga that are about punching each other (hajime no ippo, Holyland) but manage to have more strategy and creativity than Bungo stray dogs. The guy able to control the gravity of everything he touches was nice but I still don't understand how he crushed the machine guns placed by the agency without touching them. 3.Why are the characters to you bad, what makes them bad in your eyes ? I never said they are bad but just not really good or memorable. What does Atshushi has going on for him? He is an orphan mistreated and abandoned by society and now finally finds a family and wants to save everybody. Pretty cliché and generic since it doesn't add something unique and distinguishable to him compared to similar characters. Of course this is subjective as some people might have related to him and not to something similar like Naruto for whatever reason.Dazai is the cool guy that does everything right and he is not the mc because it would make everything easier, people like underdogs for mc. At the start of this season he received some background but did that add any depth to his character? Just a little bit. But it didn't add to his characterization as there wasn't really any significant internal conflict or remorse going on. "Since good and evil are the same might as well be with the good guys since my friend said so". The girl with the room and puppet was crazy the previous season but now she is normal since she is not a villain anymore? Ehhhh.... Also that scene was like: I hurt people because they beat me when I was a kid you couldn't understand. - I understand I was beaten too when I was a kid. - Ok then you can escape with the doll. 4.Since you are very "knowledgeable" about this, do enlighten me on how proper characterization and development should be done. I don't think it's something with rules and exact steps to make. What's good characterization for you depends on you as a person and your experience both in life and shows watched. As you grow up and watch more show your taste might change and mature. The show that made me realize anime can be also serious and have more depth to them is Monster but you would probably find it boring. Recently I've watched Hyouge Mono but it's rather complex show with lots of characters to keep track and subtitles that can be hard to understand given the older Japanese they speak. Maybe something more light hearted like Planetes would show you what I consider good characterization and development. |
zalDec 27, 2016 1:33 AM
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
zal said: Vlad4o said: Just having Rashomon cover Atsushi's arm I hardly call that team work but if I do it's the bad kind. It's is basic and not creative. There are characters with all kinds of powers and you end the last enemy with pure strength? This is like Dragonball where who screams louder is stronger just because. Not only this but most of the fights were pretty much non-interesting and dull.Sorry to intrude in your argument, but this caught my attention. I would like to ask @zal a couple of things. 1. Since when teamwork=power of friendship ? Has Fairy Tail brainwashed you in to thinking everything related to teamwork means automatic friendship and powerups ? Saving Atshushi with rashomon from falling was a nice start for teamwork but not how it ended up. 2.The characters aren't meant to be 100% accurate to their real life counterparts and the author said it. He doesn't want them to be completely like the writers they are based upon.(This wasn't a question but i feel like a had to address that.) That's not the issue. My problem is how they are just imitation with generic characterization. Recently I've watched Hyouge Mono and despite having as its characters actual historical personalities like Oda Nobunaga, I don't need to know Japan's history to appreciate them and their characterization, that's just a bonus. In Bungo Stray Dogs what should be a bonus is a main feature.Another thing i have to address is that Jojo is overhyped by the community to the point where people think it's a flawless masterpiece, but it's not. I haven't watched much of it, but from what i've seen, the characters aren't that interesting and there is nothing exactly great about them. But that's just me i guess, the only one on the planet that did not see the appeal to Jojo. Jojo is fun. I don't think it is flawless but it is a masterpiece like it or not, together with Dragonball they changed anime and manga forever, you pretty much should thank Jojo for the powers in Bungo stray dogs, Darker than Black and similar shows. Also I wasn't saying it is perfect but the creativity of the powers (especially from part 3 onwards) and the way Araki manages to push their use as far as he can it's incredible. That was 20 years ago, now some works have some cool powers but they don't really make full use of them, they are there just for flavour if battles end up in a confrontation of raw power.I said Jojo because it aired this season as well but I could name more anime that make more clever use of character's powers like Hunter x Hunter or even anime/manga that are about punching each other (hajime no ippo, Holyland) but manage to have more strategy and creativity than Bungo stray dogs. The guy able to control the gravity of everything he touches was nice but I still don't understand how he crushed the machine guns placed by the agency without touching them. 3.Why are the characters to you bad, what makes them bad in your eyes ? I never said they are bad but just not really good or memorable. What does Atshushi has going on for him? He is an orphan mistreated and abandoned by society and now finally finds a family and wants to save everybody. Pretty cliché and generic since it doesn't add something unique and distinguishable to him compared to similar characters. Of course this is subjective as some people might have related to him and not to something similar like Naruto for whatever reason.Dazai is the cool guy that does everything right and he is not the mc because it would make everything easier, people like underdogs for mc. At the start of this season he received some background but did that add any depth to his character? Just a little bit. But it didn't add to his characterization as there wasn't really any significant internal conflict or remorse going on. "Since good and evil are the same might as well be with the good guys since my friend said so". The girl with the room and puppet was crazy the previous season but now she is normal since she is not a villain anymore? Ehhhh.... Also that scene was like: I hurt people because they beat me when I was a kid you couldn't understand. - I understand I was beaten too when I was a kid. - Ok then you can escape with the doll. 4.Since you are very "knowledgeable" about this, do enlighten me on how proper characterization and development should be done. I don't think it's something with rules and exact steps to make. What's good characterization for you depends on you as a person and your experience both in life and shows watched. As you grow up and watch more show your taste might change and mature. The show that made me realize anime can be also serious and have more depth to them is Monster but you would probably find it boring. Recently I've watched Hyouge Mono but it's rather complex show with lots of characters to keep track and subtitles that can be hard to understand given the older Japanese they speak. Maybe something more light hearted like Planetes would show you what I consider good characterization and development.Despite making a few fair points, to me it feels like you're nitpicking on the series, whether it's the abilities, characters, events or something else. But in the end i think anime is subjective and this anime is obviously not for you, but i think you can understand why others like or even love it. Personally to me, the characters are likeable and to others even relateble like you said with Atsushi, an outcast of society bullied and abused by both adults and children because he is different. Other examples could be Akutagawa who tries his best to impress a person who he admires, but no matter how hard he tries that person turns a blind eye to it, i think you get where i'm going with this. As for creativity, you make it sound like Jojo was the series that invented supernatural abilities like Firebending, Gravity Manipulation, Mind Control etc. And originality is something you can hardly see in today's anime, since i'm not sure whether there is still a concept that hasn't been used though i might be wrong. Finally from the series that you did recommend me, it seems that you maybe like more classic anime and you probably watched a lot of them, which is why some modern anime maybe don't appeal to you, though i could be wrong about that as well. I'm am planning on checking them out though, i've heard of Monster before, but never had enough time to watch it, i'll probably try them out when i have more time. I think there are a lot of other things i wanted to say, but this would probably become too long. |
| Will there be a second season? I want more of these pretty authors! Anyway, I'm glad Yen Press is picking up the manga. I can't get over this series yet. DragonSlayer_19 said: Just look at best BSD Villain taking his throne ! They already made him a Fiend . Dostoyevsky , the Leader of "The Rats in the house of the Dead".  I want to see more of him! Also, Agatha Christie is in the manga, right? Overall I ended up liking this anime more than I thought I would. I first came expecting nothing more than campy fights between famous authors, and ended up loving these anime version of famous authors so much! 8/10 for this season and overall score. |
 |
| This episode was action-packed, but also had a sweet yet cliffhanger-ish ending. It introduces a new villain which means maybe the Port Mafia and Agency team up in the future (still haven't read the manga). The art and animation of a Bones Anime always makes me happy to watch! I love Bones! It also makes you hope a third a season will be made. Not a lot of Anime get third seasons; some don't even get second seasons. So, here's hoping BSD does along with Noragami! Come on Bones! |
| This season's finale was amazing! I want a sequel! But the manga had run out of material to adapt. Anyway, I'll rate this anime an 8 out of 10 score overall. |
| Haters always gonna hate. |
kyouka's smile is godtier  |
| Great second season, much better than the first. The scores for both shows basically reflect my views on them too; first season, eh, it was pretty enjoyable but not necessarily anything noteworthy and I didn't get all psyched up waiting for the new episodes each week, Second season rolls around, and after each week I'm like holy fuck this is gold I cannot get enough of this please let it never end! In the first half I was a little conflicted about Dazai's back story being aired. I obviously wanted to know about it, but didn't expect to get it in it's entirety so soon. But after it was over and seeing how it impacted the second half, I'm glad they did it. Can't wait for the eventual season 3. Good thing about Bones is they choose their shows wisely, and don't have a problem getting on board with shows for the long haul if they're successful. Noragami being a great example. With the way this season ended, I'd only assume that season 3 is all but guaranteed unless the show sells like ballsack. |
| Bungou Stray Dogs is always enjoyable and this season was no exception. From the background arc to the guild arc I enjoyed it all. Solid 8/10. Is there a manga? I'll be sure to pick it up. |
 |
| I love this show! S3 please!! |
| Meh ep 1-5 was good but beyond not really. 5.5/10 |
 |
| This season was way better than the first one, which really surprised me (especially the first 4 episodes). But even after the 4th episode the enjoyment of this series didn't leave me. For me, its rating is a strong 7 because it still had its issues it had in season one, too. Now give me season 3! 7.5/10 |
 pffft i lost it when this guy spoke.... XD ZURA JANAI, KATSURA DAA!!!! Akira Ishida ftw! |
| Well, I wasn't expecting Kyouka to be alive in the end and I wasn't expecting this DBZ ending either. Dazai, as always, being the guy from the backstage. About this new villain, he will appear in a third season or in an OVA? |
More topics from this board
Poll: » Bungou Stray Dogs 2nd Season Episode 3 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 )renzospark - Oct 14, 2016 |
156 |
by T-PainBeDamned
»»
Nov 27, 6:22 AM |
|
Poll: » Bungou Stray Dogs 2nd Season Episode 2 Discussion ( 1 2 3 )Stark700 - Oct 12, 2016 |
136 |
by yuumiis
»»
Jul 23, 5:23 PM |
|
Poll: » Bungou Stray Dogs 2nd Season Episode 4 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 )Stark700 - Oct 21, 2016 |
221 |
by cockslayer169
»»
Jul 21, 9:46 AM |
|
Poll: » Bungou Stray Dogs 2nd Season Episode 1 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 )Stark700 - Oct 5, 2016 |
157 |
by gladiusm
»»
May 14, 11:02 AM |
|
» The Armed Detective Agency is actually weak?eWEQRW123123 - May 8 |
30 |
by holo-simp
»»
May 10, 9:08 AM |