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Nov 24, 2016 3:24 AM
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Well I agree with Luffy's point about Lola. He looks pretty pissed this chapter as well with that determination.

A special live concert to begin in Big Mom's castle? This should be amusing.
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Carrot and Chopper are captured by Big Mom's minions and Chopper is thinking a way to free himself and defeat his opponents.Big Mom has a strong hatred for Lola,because she escaped from a wedding that supposed to give her the advantage to be the next Pirate King.Pedro and Brook start their infiltration.
Nov 24, 2016 4:23 AM
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Well that was quite the conversation between Big Mom, Luffy, and Nami. It really sucks that Lola gave them that Vivre Card in order to help but it ended up backfiring since she's not on good terms with her mother. I'm also curious about the Giant thing that Sanji's dad brought up and why Big Mom was so quick to avoid the subject. Hopefully we'll get answers about that soon, but right now it looks like we'll focus on Brook and Pedro's infiltration plan.
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Nov 24, 2016 4:37 AM
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Big Mom looks terrifying when she's pissed! I can't wait to see her reaction to the bombs.

I'm really excited that Brook is FINALLY going to get some action.
Nov 24, 2016 4:47 AM
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Who could be the person, strong enough to help her defeat the rest of the yonkos and become pirate king or queen.
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Who could be the person, strong enough to help her defeat the rest of the yonkos and become pirate king or queen.


Tenryubito likely.

We already know through Joker that the world governement is hiding something, possibly one of the 4 stones. If she were to have an ally in the Tenryubito, not only would it be easier for her to have access to that secret, but she would also be able to manupilate the marine a bit for her personal advantage.
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I am sure everyone is asking the same question, who was Lola suppose to marry? Has to be someone powerful, has to be someone we know. Was it Blackbeard, Doflamingo, could be anyone. My guess it is a villain because if it was someone good, would Lola run away?

I think Lola knew what Big Mom's reaction would be when she found "she was doing well", in other words Lola was really saying if you see my mother, give her the finger for me.

Big Mom she could sick hobbies, and you know it is sick when even the Vinsmokes are creeped out by it.

I think while Pudding has the cooking thing, I think Sanji has more in common with Lola, they are both the black sheep of the family. And maybe Big Mom and Judge can bond over how much they hate their child.
Nov 24, 2016 5:07 AM
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So its begun. Every arc when there is an overwhelming power difference between the straw hats and the enemy forces the strawhats gain temporary allies making them able to win totally. last arc the dwarfs the toys and the pirate prisoners all became alllies.

looks like in this arc all the creatures pinned in those books will be set free (probably when the guy is defeated) and that'll create a huge commotion on the island of all creatures and people with a decent amount of strength.

the appearance of sanji families reactions to the books, i wouldnt be surprised if his brothers/sisters eventually became allies after finding out big moms plan or some shit. doubt their dad will but we shall see.


either way theres no shortage of potential on a giant island like this.
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I am sure everyone is asking the same question, who was Lola suppose to marry? Has to be someone powerful, has to be someone we know. Was it Blackbeard, Doflamingo, could be anyone. My guess it is a villain because if it was someone good, would Lola run away?

I think Lola knew what Big Mom's reaction would be when she found "she was doing well", in other words Lola was really saying if you see my mother, give her the finger for me.

Big Mom she could sick hobbies, and you know it is sick when even the Vinsmokes are creeped out by it.

I think while Pudding has the cooking thing, I think Sanji has more in common with Lola, they are both the black sheep of the family. And maybe Big Mom and Judge can bond over how much they hate their child.


blackbeard was a little fish back then and i doubt doflamingo would do something like that. and what could doflamingo do to kill kadio, shanks and whitbeard ?
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three big questions of the chapter:

1. who was lola supposed to marry? and how powerful must he be to be able to help big mom kill the other yonkos?

2. why was big mom avoiding the question about giants like that ? what happened?

3. will the prisoners in the book be the key to victory for luffy ?
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Nov 24, 2016 5:16 AM

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Many interesting points this chapter and getting to see everyone do something was nice (reminds me of the Dressrosa story telling style)


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Any hope of getting Big Mom to our side is dead, the way I thought could happen was save one of her children from another villain, and use the love of her kids to sway her, but nope she don't gave a dam about her children, they are just soldiers to her.
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I'm somewhat disappointed Big Mom sees her children as nothing more than a means to an end. I thought she would actually love them since they're her family but they're just pawns. I mean that was the impression I had given they descend en masse to take out anybody who harms a member of the family, but whatever.

And the sheer nerve of the Vinsmokes being disgusted by Big Mom's collection livestock. As if you assholes are any better. I also noticed one of Big Mom's lackeys mentioned Reiju and Ichiji especially. Maybe Oda's foreshadowing them being the strongest of the siblings. Hopefully it's not by a disproportionate amount though. Oda tends to have really strong boss characters who for some reason ally themselves with weakass crewmates just to give the weaker Straw Hats fights they can win.

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I am sure everyone is asking the same question, who was Lola suppose to marry? Has to be someone powerful, has to be someone we know. Was it Blackbeard, Doflamingo, could be anyone. My guess it is a villain because if it was someone good, would Lola run away?

I think Lola knew what Big Mom's reaction would be when she found "she was doing well", in other words Lola was really saying if you see my mother, give her the finger for me.

Big Mom she could sick hobbies, and you know it is sick when even the Vinsmokes are creeped out by it.

I think while Pudding has the cooking thing, I think Sanji has more in common with Lola, they are both the black sheep of the family. And maybe Big Mom and Judge can bond over how much they hate their child.


Then why give her a Vivre Card leading them directly to Big Mom to begin with? According to your Lola, she's effectively setting them up to get killed through association.
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Amazing chp. So much potential it's insane. Oda's going in!!

So Big Mom hates Lola's ass. Damn. So curious on who she was supposed to marry.
To have such political power. I can only think of Tenryuubitou or World Government shit

Vinsmokes getting disturbed by her hobbies was lol

But really, the Luffy BM exchange gave me chillz!! Luffy calling her cocky and shots fire at her not being Pirate King yet lmao.

Can't wait til the bomb blows up in her face in public
Nov 24, 2016 5:35 AM

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Excellent chapter, I am so hyped for what's gonna happen.

Interesting power we got here, Preserving living things in books. That's one absurd hobby though. Big Mom doesn't like giants, More intrigue. :o

I agree with @Barion-Zara , Whoever Lola had to marry definitely had immense political power, WG/Celestial Dragons/ Marine (probably unlikely) comes to mind.

Loved Luffy's determination against Big Mom, Straight to the face. I love how he told her off saying that in the end she's the one who got nothing. The entire conversation was so hype inducing.

Wonder what Brook is gonna pull here, Can't wait.
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What if Big Mom arranged Lola in one of the powerful giants in Elbaf? And maybe Elbaf have one of the road poneglyphs?

Maybe that's why there's no Giants in Totland and why Big Mom's avoiding the topic of Giants during this chapter.

If this is the case then the Strawhat will have one more reason (the first one is Luffy and Usopp want) to go to Elbaf.
Nov 24, 2016 7:17 AM

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That end. Brook's gonna get to be cool for once?
Nov 24, 2016 7:27 AM

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Haven't seen Brook take the stage since the whole zombie shadow incident, it'll be a nice change. And as much as I like Luffy's stubornness I do believe the last yell would result in an instakill unless Brook's song saves him in the last moment


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I have just been thinking about the bomb they "forgot" in the box, and here we go, the bomb's probably gonna explode soon.
This is getting more and more exciting. Everything's been said about what might happen, I just want to add that Jinbei is still around somewhere. Or maybe Jimbei is imprisoned "next to" Luffy and Nami? Maybe Jimbei will use that gyojin karate to get themselves out. Or Jimbei is stored as an "exotic animal" somewhere in those books? lol..
Nov 24, 2016 9:14 AM

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Now we know where to find the Fantastic Beasts
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Who is this man that Big Mom want so badly?

What is this man that physically strong enough to beat Yonko and mentally strong enough to marry Lola?

This man gotta be crazy!!
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I think BIG MOM became silent when Judge spoke of the GIANTS because Caesar had betrayed her with their experiments about creating GIANT out of Children in Punk Hazard.

I am curious to the Jewel Box - I think it will be something that Jinbe might be interested into.

For the Prisoner in the Books - I think it will be the same with what happen in Dresrossa where Luffy will free them by defeating the Oldest son of Big Mom and they will became his allies to fight against Kaido
Nov 24, 2016 9:58 AM

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This chapter gave me chills. I need the next one stat.
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Nov 24, 2016 10:04 AM

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As always,this is just getting better,really want to see Brook and Chopper back in action,but could they do this without any hesitation?I mean,Brulee it's really OP,and Brook's mission it's not easy too,it's all up to them now since Luffy and Nami can't do nothing.
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I was just thinking, you know what could be a possible matchup down the line, Nami vs Pudding. And no not about Sanji, it is going to be about Pudding jealousy that her beloved big sister thinks Nami more of a sister than her, jealousy sibling, I have seen it happen many time. And even Pudding is sort of a con person, a good con artist always slips some truth, and I going to believe what she said about Lola is true, and heck if you if re read that chapter when Pudding mention Lola, you can see her eyes was beaming.
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Bropper & Carrot in a bad situation. Hopefully they have a plan to get away.

Big MOM keeping a variety of species inside books.
Luffy & Nami caught. No matter what Luffy is determined to get Sanji back.

Big Mom really hates Lola. Hmm interested in who she could of married to allow Big Mom to take on the other Yonkou's.

Pirate King belongs to Luffy.

Soul King Brooke about to take the stage for a concert.
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The bomb inside the treasure box will definitively piss her off even more.

Well, it's nice to see that even Big Mom wants to become Pirate King. (Pirate Queen).
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The bomb inside the treasure box will definitively piss her off even more.
LOL, forgot about that. This chapter used a lot of previous stuff.
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Chopper and carrot captrued but chopper has it under control.

Lots of rare creatures in the book world and that treasure chest with explosives will BTFO of big mom so much XD
Lola was meant to marry a giant most likely, that marriage would definitely make big mom the most powerful army.
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Fuck yeah, the underdogs are about to make their stand. I was kind of expecting someone to just tell Brulee she couldn't kill Chopper, but it looks like Big Mom's pissed now. Wonder if him and Carrot can fight their way out of that though. I guess the odds are better than when they were in the forest.

But Brook has to go through an equivalent of Cracker now... that's gonna be pretty intense.
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Any hope of getting Big Mom to our side is dead, the way I thought could happen was save one of her children from another villain, and use the love of her kids to sway her, but nope she don't gave a dam about her children, they are just soldiers to her.
I mean... I don't blame you for expecting something like that, but she ate one of her children's soul like 5-10 chapters ago. I think we already knew she didn't care about her children.

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The bomb inside the treasure box will definitively piss her off even more.
LOL, forgot about that. This chapter used a lot of previous stuff.
Lol yeah, that should be a fun party.
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Big Mam showing more of her menacing position as a Yonko, Looking forward for some BROOK action next chapter WHOO
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Lola ruined Big Mom's plans? I love Lola for that! And I must say, Big Mom looks scary when she's pissed.

Nov 24, 2016 3:18 PM

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She still didn't open that chest lol, dis gonna be gud.
Big Mom really triggered this chapter haha.
This is getting better and better.
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Man, Oda is literally unpredictable, because I thought once Nami shows the vivre card to Big Mom, she will show some mercy towards the straw hats. Nope, I was wrong. But, still, who the heck was Lola supposed to marry, a giant? The person that was supposed to marry Lola should have been a monster since the chapter stated that even Whitebeard would have been defeated!!! Great chapter. 5/5.
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Man, Oda is literally unpredictable, because I thought once Nami shows the vivre card to Big Mom, she will show some mercy towards the straw hats. Nope, I was wrong. But, still, who the heck was Lola supposed to marry, a giant? The person that was supposed to marry Lola should have been a monster since the chapter stated that even Whitebeard would have been defeated!!! Great chapter. 5/5.



Really? Really? THIS WAS UNPREDICTABLE?

Sorry but that statement made everyone who read it more stupid.


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Who could be the person, strong enough to help her defeat the rest of the yonkos and become pirate king or queen.


Tenryubito likely.

We already know through Joker that the world governement is hiding something, possibly one of the 4 stones. If she were to have an ally in the Tenryubito, not only would it be easier for her to have access to that secret, but she would also be able to manupilate the marine a bit for her personal advantage.
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Man, Oda is literally unpredictable, because I thought once Nami shows the vivre card to Big Mom, she will show some mercy towards the straw hats. Nope, I was wrong. But, still, who the heck was Lola supposed to marry, a giant? The person that was supposed to marry Lola should have been a monster since the chapter stated that even Whitebeard would have been defeated!!! Great chapter. 5/5.



Really? Really? THIS WAS UNPREDICTABLE?

Sorry but that statement made everyone who read it more stupid.


Lol, it wasn't really unpredictable, I was just exaggerating. I think I was trying to show how good of a chapter this was!!!
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Am I the only one that is so hyped for the bomb in the box. It wil definitely not be enough to take Big mom out but I think it may cause her oldest son to get knocked out and then the stuff in the books might get free and then fight against Big moms army. It's just an idea of what might happen.
And speaking of Giants I think Big mom was pissed when she heard Giants cuz it may link with Lola's marriage. Cuz we know the Giants pirates where crazy powerful so it might be that or that big mom was beaten by the Giants in her early days.
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Lol, it wasn't really unpredictable, I was just exaggerating. I think I was trying to show how good of a chapter this was!!!


At least explain then why the chapter was good. Because here´s what it did.

1.It gave us some goofy scenarios. (which is standard for One Piece).
2.We got repeated that Big Mom who always was build up as a horrible person truly is a horrible person.
3. We got some foreshadowing towards what´s gonna happen and it should be obvious to everyone who has half a brain.
4. Luffy flamed the villain of the arc (something he always does).

Don´t get me wrong it was a good chapter, but you gotta be an Oda dickrider to consider this great. It was good as in it delivered everything it had set up, but nothing of importance happened.
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PirateKingJJ said:
Man, Oda is literally unpredictable, because I thought once Nami shows the vivre card to Big Mom, she will show some mercy towards the straw hats. Nope, I was wrong. But, still, who the heck was Lola supposed to marry, a giant? The person that was supposed to marry Lola should have been a monster since the chapter stated that even Whitebeard would have been defeated!!! Great chapter. 5/5.



Really? Really? THIS WAS UNPREDICTABLE?

Sorry but that statement made everyone who read it more stupid.


Thing is, for some people it's been years since we read those chapters.

So yeah you'd think that if they managed to track Sanji's mentor with ease then if big mom really wanted Lola dead this much it would have been done already.
Actually I find it more ridiculous how a single girl managed to escape a yonko that wish her dead for such a long time.
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me people it's been years since we read those chapters.

So yeah you'd think that if they managed to track Sanji's mentor with ease then if big mom really wanted Lola dead this much it would have been done already.
Actually I find it more ridiculous how a single girl managed to escape a yonko that wish her dead for such a long time.


This statement is stupid, because there is an inherent difference between Jeff and Lola that is their position. Lola could potentially be in some forest with bears and dinosaurs and shit while Jeff is constant at one position, the Baratie. He´s easy to pinpoint where as Lola could be anywhere.

Furthemore One Piece is littered with Plot conveiniences (don´t make me count them all we´ll be here for a week), so considering anything ridiculous at this point is meaningless.
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Many things are on-going. Chopper will escape, Brook starts his plan to get the poneglyph and Luffy declares war on Big Mom again. Luffy is right. It is Big Mom's fault to failed to become pirate king and not Lola. Great chapter
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Who is this man that Big Mom want so badly?

What is this man that physically strong enough to beat Yonko and mentally strong enough to marry Lola?

This man gotta be crazy!!

Can't help but think the whole "would've blown away [three yonko] long ago" isn't strength in the literal sense (and Big Mom's not the most reliable narrator). She said "powerful influence".

Edit: I don't think straw-hats themselves even know about the bomb. Neptune and the Minister of the Right never told them, and they were already freaking out anyway. See chapter 652.
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Lol, it wasn't really unpredictable, I was just exaggerating. I think I was trying to show how good of a chapter this was!!!


At least explain then why the chapter was good. Because here´s what it did.

1.It gave us some goofy scenarios. (which is standard for One Piece).
2.We got repeated that Big Mom who always was build up as a horrible person truly is a horrible person.
3. We got some foreshadowing towards what´s gonna happen and it should be obvious to everyone who has half a brain.
4. Luffy flamed the villain of the arc (something he always does).

Don´t get me wrong it was a good chapter, but you gotta be an Oda dickrider to consider this great. It was good as in it delivered everything it had set up, but nothing of importance happened.


Wow, calm down mate. I was just showing my interest in One Piece and I ain't no dickrider. Yeah, I called him unpredictable just because I thought of using that word for some random reason that even I don't know of. I was simply commenting on the chapter, so don't take it seriously. Take it easy man.
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I'm also wondering with who Lola should have been married. Who's have some power to pretend than Big mom could have been Pirate King if her daughter didn't runaway ...and what if is was with doflamingo? I'm remember the epic entrance of kaido and he said something very interesting that nobody give attention " I have no choice now do I? Hurry up joker! make preparations for final battle! I don't care if this boring world is destroyed! Let's start the greatest war the world has ever seen!"
I think that Doflamingo told about the national treasure of Mariejoie to kaido in order to control him in some way... But it is only my own theory
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Decent build up this chapter. I'm really anticipating some power level comparisons between Big Mom/the Vinsmokes and the Straw Hats.
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"What's on the outside doesn't matter in the end"


  • Why Big Mom talks like that to her subordinate? Isn't she sounds like disrespecting Vinsmoke's power?
  • if so, why did she taking the trouble to arranged the marriage anyway? <-----very suspicious right?
  • Could it be Big Mom's trap to gather the Germas army that scattered all over the sea near her base for greater goal? Germa surely can be a pain to deal if they're scattered
  • If she has planned to destroy Germa, could it be also her plan to lure Straw Hats to her base and making some kind of agreement? <--- She was kind enough to jail Luffy and Nami, not beating/kill them after SH given so much casualities on her army and childrens. She was kinda prepared mentally for some casualities.


So who knows what Oda sensei plotting right now, but I know this is gonna be an epic arc ^^
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Read somewhere that Big Mom might be an outcast giant, which is why she doesn't have them on her islands. (ex?)Royalty of the giants? I doubt it but why not, I'll throw the idea out there.

Hoping that the person who was meant to marry Lola will be revealed soon!
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But Brook has to go through an equivalent of Cracker now... that's gonna be pretty intense.


Good luck to her, trying to squeeze blood from a bone ;)
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I am sure everyone is asking the same question, who was Lola suppose to marry? Has to be someone powerful, has to be someone we know. Was it Blackbeard, Doflamingo, could be anyone. My guess it is a villain because if it was someone good, would Lola run away?

I think Lola knew what Big Mom's reaction would be when she found "she was doing well", in other words Lola was really saying if you see my mother, give her the finger for me.

Big Mom she could sick hobbies, and you know it is sick when even the Vinsmokes are creeped out by it.

I think while Pudding has the cooking thing, I think Sanji has more in common with Lola, they are both the black sheep of the family. And maybe Big Mom and Judge can bond over how much they hate their child.

Yep thats the big question right now. It must be someone immensely powerful to take out the rest of the Yonkos.


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Now that I think about it, if they plan to get the info from the poneglyph, wouldn't it have been easier to take Robin along?
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