Tales of Zestiria the X Episode 12 Discussion

FrozenSheep said:

While I do not wish for her death, it certainly would have been an impactful end to this season.

No Waifu is safe from despair :(

Fai said:

You DO realize that Alisha is pretty much the only character Zestiria players genuinely like, right?

Sorey has his fans ans fujos love him but he is generally regarded as the WORST Tales MC and one of the most genuinely derivative characters.
Rose is pretty much universally hated by the fandom as it should be.
Other party members are just jrpg tropes.

While one of the most frequent complaints about Zestiria game is that it shelves Alisha and did not give her attention her character deserves, essentially trading a more interesting character for a mary sue.

Removing or altering shitty scenes and giving more screentime and characterization for Alisha is the easy way to improve upon first half of Zestiria's very faulty story. Alas that won't be enough for second half. The development of Zestiria was a complete mess with last minute rewrites, changes in game dev staff and the like and it REALLY shows

Kamiyan3991 said:

That surely wasn't the case. Japan just loves conspiracy theories like this.


Rose barely got some screen time...


Yep, second cour will be way faster, but the damage has already been done. I feel sorry for Dezel. Now, he will barely get any screen time. And he has amazing seiyuu... what a waste, man.

Kirie-san said:
I'm just saying that because of people who didn't like the game we're getting this adaptation. These people keep saying that the game's story is trash but if it was really trash it wouldn't be saled out of Japan. And no, Zestiria is not the worst Tales of.

With this anime, Alisha's fans sure are happy, but what about who those wanted to see a good action/fantasy anime ? According to me, a good anime has to got a good story, good characters, good visuals, good musics, good pacing.

Inugirlz said:

Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike her nor did I wish for her death. But they played that up so much its a little annoying that she just suddenly ends up ok and even sits up like her back doesn't have a stab wound in it. When her master was looking really worried when the blood continued to spread it really looked like she was a goner. And then when Sorey comes and all you see is him sitting there and it doesn't show her body properly for the longest time.

There would've been some real feels if she had actually died. If they weren't gonna kill her they should've have played it like that.

Kamiyan3991 said:

Dafuq did i just read? Tales of fanbase is a cancer.
Well, it's hella funny how they suddenly started to praise Xilia... Because we hate Zestiria now, right?

Average player doesn't give a damn about Alisha. Hell, I was so happy when that naive bitch finally left my party. She was useless even in combat (I finished DLC with Rose, since I couldn't do anything with Alisha's lame skills, lol).

I bet that normal people just like Rose/Edna and hate Alisha. Hell, people who like Alisha probably didn't even finish that game.


How is that an asspull? Everything makes sense. They even hinted it properly.

Fai said:

Xilia was always good. Not the best Tales game but at least it excelled in likeable characters(something even worst tales games managed to do till Zestiria hit...) and had decent gameplay. The things that Zestiria lacks.

Yes, people who like Mary Sues are bound to prefer Rose over proper characters. "She is just so good at EVERYTHING and pulls powers out of her ass, y'all".

Otherwise both in critical reviews and overall opinions you can see that most people think Alisha was treated unfairly in the game and Rose was written horribly and shoehorned as a replacement. You will also note that mediocre gameplay, mediocre characters and braindead forgettable story are the main things most of critical reviews single out as bad for Zestiria.
Reviewers can praise customization and some of gameplay features but most of reviews mention bland story and characters, which is a deal breaker for an rpg.
it would be just an average rpg with mediocre mechanics but the story breaks even that.

And the most common complaint you will find online is the Rose Sue and the way the whole story just makes no effort to make any sense. Most people agree that Alisha held more promise as a character and had a more interesting fighting style while Rose felt like a HUGE downgrade compared to her. Hell even now its clear to see that Zestiria game's story was affected by the personal bias of certain people in production team. Mid-production the some people in production team had a huge feud with Alisha's VA which makes people speculate that the story was intentionally changed entirely mid-production resulting in the mess we got.


There's no such thing as A "real" fan. Being a "fan" of something does not mean you become blind to negatives of that something. Zestiria is worst Tales game and there's nothing wrong in recognizing that. The devs fucked up. They admitted fucking up. Zestiria was a narrative trainwreck and a production trainwreck. Hopefully a trainwreck on this scale wont ever happen again.

hell Berseria feels like a direct response to Zestiria's trashy screw up - Berseria actually has an interesting and complex cast and a more interesting story than "this chaste knight guy is saving the world from hate, y'all!". Its a love letter to tales fans who were so disappointed by Zestiria's mess.


Even UFO of all things feels embarassed in adapting Zestiria and does as many changes as possible to try to make it more bearable. Hopefully the Berseria episodes indicate that we will get to see a transition into anime original material that draws from Berseria and improves the complete mess that this game's endgame is. I honestly can't see Ufo managing to fix Zestiria's last half without doing that. All the seraphim and malevolence nonsense sounds like shakespeare compared to Zestiria's endgame.

Kamiyan3991 said:
That surely wasn't the case. Japan just loves conspiracy theories like this.
Rose barely got some screen time...
Yep, second cour will be way faster, but the damage has already been done. I feel sorry for Dezel. Now, he will barely get any screen time. And he has amazing seiyuu... what a waste, man.

Fai said:
The only reasons zestiria exists are:
- Berseria needed an advertisment
- Somebody on ufotable literally thought they can fix Zestiria's nonsensical writing.
Zestiria would NEVER have good story or good characters. At most it can be made bearable and they succeeded at that by focusing on Zestiria's strengths and downplaying the weaknesses. That won't work in second half which is 100% just weaknesses.
Pacing and visuals and music could be better but that is just because the production team of this is mediocre and the director has absolutely zero experience.
But it is still enjoyable popcorn even if it won't set the world on fire. And that's frankly the most Zestiria can ever be.

Hayner said:
Your comments made me laugh. You didn't understand nothing about the game if you think that Alisha is the only decent character. Ok, you didn't appreciate the game but that's just YOUR opinion and not the absolute reality. What you say is just rubbish for me, and for the others who loved the game, the characters (ALL of them, including the stupidly hated Rose, and not only the almost useless Alisha), and their interactions.
Mediocre gameplay and mediocre characters? Bland story? For you, maybe (and for other Zestiria haters). I enjoyed the game, despite its flaws. And I'm not the only one, that's for sure.
P.S. Rose isn't horribly written at all. She received so much hate only for one stupid reason: the Alisha replacement. Alisha fans hate her because she replaced their beloved waifu. Only for THAT reason. So sad.
And stop with that Mary Sue thing. It's ridicolous.
P. P. S. #teamRose 4ever, she's far better than Alisha, mostly under the personality aspect.

rinneganfire4u said:
Oooooo Too much maleovalence in this thread!!!!!!!

The ep felt weak and kind of boring. Sorey surely have the hots for Alisha, atleast it made that clear.
Not sure why Rose was so buddy-buddy with Alisha all of a sudden, and why Lord of Calamity did a cameo. Also how is a human, Rose, able to converse with Seraph (hat dude)???

Fai said:
"oh you just did not like it because of lack of Alisha" is such a hilarious logical fallacy retort, considering the SHITLOADS of problems Zestiria has even without Alisha. Even the developers themselves admitted to it being a mess.

Fai said:
"oh you just did not like it because of lack of Alisha" is such a hilarious logical fallacy retort, considering the SHITLOADS of problems Zestiria has even without Alisha. Even the developers themselves admitted to it being a mess.

DragonSlayer_19 said:
Ok now you guys are throwing assumptions too. Rose isn't hated only for the replacement . I'm sure many people have other reasons too. Also the assumption that those who didn't appreciate the game just because of the alisha replacement is pretty laughable .

Kirie-san said:
Moreover, she kinda reminds me of Leia in Tales of Xillia, they needed someone with a good mood like her. =) If only Alisha was there instead of Rose and Dezel, it wouldn't have been funny (think about the skits and victory quotes).

DragonSlayer_19 said:
Ok now you guys are throwing assumptions too. Rose isn't hated only for the replacement . I'm sure many people have other reasons too. Also the assumption that those who didn't appreciate the game just because of the alisha replacement is pretty laughable .

Fai said:
"oh you just did not like it because of lack of Alisha" is such a hilarious logical fallacy retort, considering the SHITLOADS of problems Zestiria has even without Alisha. Even the developers themselves admitted to it being a mess.

GangsterCat said:
yea zestiria still has shitton of problem even if you ignore all the gameplay problems (and alisha)

Hayner said:


Nobody says that Zestiria hasn't problems, but the majority of the fanbase tends to make them appear worse than they actually are. There are many people who have enjoyed the game (characters, story and gameplay mechanics) for what it is, even with its undeniable flaws.



Other reasons for the fans hating Rose? For example? I don't accept the Mary Sue rubbish. That's not a concrete reason.

DragonSlayer_19 said:
Lol You refuse to listen to an argument calling it rubbish according to you yet you want people to give you more examples or arguments . Also those who hate alisha are no better than those who hate rose . I don't hate rose and alisha . I like both . And even IF i didn't like one of them, I won't talk shit about one of them or be salty over one of them for being replaced . I have better things to do than that lol . But all i say don't throw assumptions . I don't want to give examples cause i don't hate rose in the first place to say examples . But I'm sure many people have other reasons and you're just assuming it's all about replacement which is a big generalization.

Kamiyan3991 said:
Plz, no more Alisha on the screen. She is retarded as heck, and she can't even compare to Rose.

Kryptiq said:
So Alisha's finally able to see the seraphims but she decides to leave? Alright then lol.

This started off pretty interesting but I quickly lost interest as it went on. I guess I got spoiled too much with the Berseria episodes and wanted more of that.

Hopefully things starts to pick up in the next season.
6/10