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| Wasn't a fan of the Alisha and Rose confrontation. Felt awkward, off somehow. Well, look forward to next episode I guess. |
| well Eda so cute :lol :lol :lol mibo mibo mibo |
| 4th times getting signature banned wtf |
| Hahaha.........so humans can turn into Hyouma too. I can suddenly imagine Alicia receiving urgent reports from the local guards. The Shepherd has been seen suddenly chasing innocent civilians then attacking them with a wooden sword....... Also there have been rumors spreading that the Shepherd sometimes talks to himself and sometimes others have seen him arguing and laughing in front of a wall.... |
| great episode again, Alisha is a true hero and not just a princess |
| I love Atakk's way of speaking. Rose!!! I was waiting for her. She seems quite perky yet sharp, I like. The graveyard scene was so magnificent... "Mibo mibo mibo mibo" Alicia just got a lot more likable. I'm starting to get used to her serious side. And ofc that was Rose. It was obvious. But yeah executed well. Very nice episode. This show is exploring some interesting themes. |
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Oh so you're backing yourself up by others' opinions ? "I also talked to other people and they didn't like that only alisha was developed and slow pace" . Well guess what? I encountered some who liked that they're giving more emphasis on her character and the changes, and I am seeing anime-only viewers who like her . I didn't hate the game's original story (I actually think it's overhated), and they can't reveal much about berseria in this cour since there's still NO WW release for the game. Anyways, i don't think the anime emphasized her that much . It seems you're overreacting just due to not liking her I mean Jeez, aside from the prologue and the scene with Rose, Alisha didn't get more emphasis than the game already gave her. Actually I'm unsure if they're going to make her a squire at this point. Saying "nothing more than alisha spotlight" is a blatant overstatement . Also Other character's development didn't come at this point either . Most of the others development happen in pendrago, trials etc . Alisha is liked by enough people to get a bit more emphasis (though i think the massive salt about her in game was hugely exaggerated), just because you hate her doesn't mean the more emphasis is unwarranted . Also thinking they're going to drop mikleo's and Sorey's story ? What ? It is an integral part of the plot . How can see them drop it ? |
Shishou_23Sep 12, 2016 4:58 AM
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| It was very obvious who the assassin is. Alisha being more braver than expected. Things are getting interesting. |
Kirie-san said: DragonSlayer_19 said: Oh so you're backing yourself up by others' opinions ? "I also talked to other people and they didn't like that only alisha was developed and slow pace" . Well guess what? I encountered some who liked that they're giving more emphasis on her character and the changes, and I am seeing anime-only viewers who like her . I didn't hate the game's original story (I actually think it's overhated), and they can't reveal much about berseria in this cour since there's still NO WW release for the game. Anyways, i don't think the anime emphasized her that much . It seems you're overreacting just due to not liking her I mean Jeez, aside from the prologue and the scene with Rose, Alisha didn't get more emphasis than the game already gave her. Actually I'm unsure if they're going to make her a squire at this point. Saying "nothing more than alisha spotlight" is a blatant overstatement . Also Other character's development didn't come at this point either . Most of the others development happen in pendrago, trials etc . Alisha is liked by enough people to get a bit more emphasis (though i think the massive salt about her in game was hugely exaggerated), just because you hate her doesn't mean the more emphasis is unwarranted . I just wanted to say that I'm surprised to see how people like what the anime is doing, especially when in other hand a lot of people told me that they were really disappointed by it. For some people maybe that's a good thing that they're emphasizing Alisha's role, and honestly I wouldn't care if the story of the anime was well built up, because I didn't hate Alisha in the game. But in the anime, she is developed (and more presented like a Mary Sue, which I really dislike) and not the story. What's good about this first cour since nothing has happened ? I know that other characters development occurs more lately in the game, but how they'll present it ? They're so much points left for the second cour that they won't be able to develop it unfortunately... Well, we'll see but now I can't expect anything great... |
Shishou_23Sep 12, 2016 6:05 AM
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| Alisha is Mary Sue? What? In episode 0, she powerlessly watched as ALL her knights get killed. The town she wanted to protect got destroyed. She couldn't save that little girl. She was powerless before those insects and a Normin had to save the day. She rushed to bring the medicine to help her people. Guess what? What she brought did not work. She was, once again, powerless. If you played the game, then you should realize that Bad Luck Alisha suits her far better than Mary Sue ever would... I played the game and loved it. They are making things much better, IMO. In the game, they talked about things. In the Anime, they are showing those things. This episode, you actually see the burden of the Shepherd. In the game, what was it? Oh right, it was just words. In the game, they talk about Calamities (except in Marlind). In the Anime, they show it. It's good that they are focusing on different things. In the game, I never got emotional, even when people/kids were brutally murdered in front of my eyes. In the Anime, they have had emotional scenes. |
FrozenSheepSep 12, 2016 6:01 AM
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| dat water animation doe |
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| Great episode,... Specially the beginning if you know what i mean ;) This episode was really great even tho, girl under the mask was kind obvious, but man seriously next week is gonna be excited, (lots of epic episodes next week :3 |
| cause MAL is doing there job for once. |
No surprise the assassin is Rose but, I thought it was not likely because she appeared in two places as assassin and Rose at relatively the same time.... well, ninja stuff. If she wasn't the assassin when who would? Well, a fair episode to show that Alisha is no weak character! Strong will and strong fighting skills! (and strong bartering skills) |
| Oh my god. Did I just read here somewhere that Alisha is a MARY SUE? |
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| I watching another episode and everytime I do I sure am supprised how much improved the storyline is complared to the game. True, the game's storline is average at best and I am saying average because I liked the game overall but here this average storline truly deserves to be called average! And who would have thought that Sorey of all people would actually get character development and who would have thought that Alisha from all people would actually not be completely useless. In game for the most part Alisha didn't do much or at least it wasn't shown. What's more because she didn't have "powers" she generally just got in the way. But here she is actually doing her role of the princess and leader of the nation quite well. The strong unyielding will to sacrefice her life for her believes sure is a good character quality. Still I am more impressed with the Sorey's char development as in the game even if he did get some character development it wasn't properly shown. What's most important thought in game it was: "Hurray let's go purify helions and have happy adventures in the ruins." Here however helions don't appear on every corner of the map and their number is limited but every helion seems to hold the significance. In game sure the main helions got sad stoyline and brought up difficult topics but after happily grinding on helions for the whole day, how can one care much when one helion is a sad helion. In any case the story sure took a leap for being better and if all episodes had much serious tone like this one I would even call the stroyline in the anime quite good!! With this episode it leaped to average+. Hopefully it will get even better from now on and the anime won't try to make jokes out of serious topics. Right now however it will be the final of season one which as everyone who played the game could predict... it is going to end on the war. War storline was epic even in the game... here however it will truly be a sight to see. Let's not forget that story aside. with ufotable putting in budget, This anime is surely UP there. |
Kirie-san said: Yeah maybe (for the second cour), I'm not confident but I hope they'll not skip the most interesting parts. :) I didn't say Alisha is a Mary Sue, even for Rose, she didn't appear like a Mary Sue in the game for me. But the way she is presented in the anime (not in the first episodes but now) she's becoming like that (the perfect girl, everybody says great things about her, she even beats one of Rose companions and faces her, she's overconfident in front of everybody, but before Sorey she seems so weak (episode 9). For me it doesn't appear like she's moving forward, but more like she is showing a facade. That's just my opinion but I don't like this changes. Maybe for you or other people I'm overstating things, but I don't find it normal that one character is most developed than the story itself. Indeed, without Berseria it should have been 8 episodes, but it's like nothing really happened. Yes, unfortunately Japanese audience is prioritized... Too bad, Tales of series has lots of fans all over the world, not only in Japan. Do you plan to play Berseria ? Anyway, thanks for sharing your opinion. Even if we don't have the same, it's interesting to talk about it. And yes I will Play Tales of Berseria once it launches worldwide . Actually there's one part I look forward too |
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| The graveyard scene was just beautiful~ |
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| Nice episode, I like the way how this little party go along, especially Edna and Mikelio. Alisha is probably my favorite princess-type character now. Even though her ideals might seems a bit naive she still can impose them with respect, that's what I really like about her. |
| LOL! All those people complaining about more focus on Alisha are people who didn't liked her in the game to beggin with... In the game she was almost useless and didn't do much but complain and suffer...Now that they givin her a role and turning her into a more important (and badass) character, people will say that it looks forced or something because she already left a dislikable impression in the game... Seriously, the anime is handling the story and its characters like, 5x better and I'm ultra grateful for that...THX Ufo... |
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
| @kirie-san Actually glad they didn't include mikleo and Sorey fight . And they just made sorey respect mikleo's decision of wanting to go on his own and find ways to help him which is a good change also cause i admit it did still showcase their strong bond (which is the end goal) and helped cut it short . If they were going to argue and stuff, that'll make it even slower. Also many thought it was forced drama between the 2 Though i was fine with it and loved how they were tickling and teasing each other by the end . Also i have to repeat this. The plot in the game does Has a slow start either way . It's not like the anime only has it . It's not ufotable's fault for slow progression, and actually they already advanced it by putting the whole marlind arc in 1 episode, and if it weren't for berseria episode , things would have proceeded more faster by now instead of blaming it all alisha for slow pace whom i still think didn't get that much of an extra emphasis and still not qualified as a mary sue anime-wise. |
Shishou_23Sep 13, 2016 6:55 AM
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Net-Raid said: Net-Raid said: The problem with the game was that Alisha had a lesser role compared to Rose, but that was more because the latter was written to be mary sue-ish(I still liked her though). So now the anime wants to emphasize Alisha's role more and how do they do that? By making Alisha a (somewhat)mary sue as well so she can match up to Rose. I don't mind the outcome at all but the presentation is almost cringeworthy. In case some people cannot read, I said Rose was written to be a mary sue in the game, not Alisha. If you don't agree with me that Rose is mary sue-ish, then that's fine, I won't waste my breath. Now I didn't say Alisha's whole character is a mary sue, but I said they somewhat made her into one, particularly whenever Rose is involved and that's why I mentioned 'somewhat'. I understand that they're aiming to make them both on equal standing, but that's kinda hard to do when one of them is broken as hell(Rose, as much as I love her). Why do people think if they're trying to improve alisha = another Rose #2 ? Just cause they're improving her doesn't mean it's gonne be Turn out to be another or an equal to Rose . They can improve a character in her own way and that's what's being done imo by building on alisha's beliefs and ideals and nature and giving her some emphasis in the regard . It's hard to see "whenever Rose is involved" when Rose has barely been seen in this Cour . You say it as if it's been constantly done throughout each episode. |
Shishou_23Sep 13, 2016 7:07 AM
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No offense, I didn't mean to be tiring you out . I was just implying you made sound it as if , but thanks for the reply either way. Anyways, if these couple of scenes are enough to make her somewhat of a mary sue for some, oh well, can't say anything further seeing i stated my reasons above . |
Shishou_23Sep 13, 2016 9:56 AM
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glutton said: DragonSlayer_19 said: No offense, I didn't mean to be tiring you out . I was just implying you made sound it as if , but thanks for the reply either way. Anyways, if these couple of scenes are enough to make her somewhat of a mary sue for some, oh well, can't say anything further seeing i stated my reasons above . It's weird that some people are acting like Alisha is supposed to be weak and got overly boosted for the anime. In the game she is about on par with Sorey as a fighter when they're together barring armatization, there's also nothing storywise that shows her to be a weakling. I know i agree with your latest post . Alisha is on top of the knights and has been trained by maltran . Remember in game they say maltran wiped out an entire squad of rolance army by herslef . That's what one npc said . So you'd expect alisha to be competent . Alisha also was just holding up her defense against rose in ep 3 . She wasn't even overwhelming her . Rose had broken gameplay moves lol dream slasher was helpful when spammed lmao . |
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glutton said: Net-Raid said: That's what I thought as well from the first few episodes and I would've loved if they kept it to just that. But what they did was on top of improving her role(which is fine with me), they just had to make it so that Alisha is on the same level as Rose. Now, I wouldn't mind it as much if this was done/presented well in the anime, but it wasn't. Dude, talking with you really tires me out. You just kept assuming things on your own. When I said, "whenever Rose is involved", it meant just THAT as in 'all her screentime with Rose', no matter how little. I never said it's been constantly done throughout each episode(hey, I mentioned 'somewhat', didn't I?), I meant any episode which puts the two together. Alisha's feats Anime-wise -Being able to fight on par against leader of Scattered Bones with just a single knife during Sacred Blade Festival or whatever it's called(but that whole scene was odd to begin with, what kind of assassin aim for his target in front of a crowd). -Being able to take out a member of Scattered Bones easily. -Not overwhelmed going up against a group of assassins. -Instantly figured out Rose's identity. Scattered Bones isn't just a regular assassin group either, but you're right, it's not shown in the anime, so maybe here they're just a bunch of lowly thugs. In that case, then you're right. I guess there's no sue-ness here. The Scattered Bones aren't that impressive in the game either, there's no indication they're all supposed to be super badasses that should be better than Alisha. Why do you think Alisha is supposed to be weak? She's less powerful than Rose gameplay wise because of Rose's two broken GAMEPLAY moves, but if you compare Alisha and Sorey's stats at the beginning, Alisha actually has more HP, defense and of course reach than Sorey and keeps up just fine with him outside of armatus. There's no indication she's meant to be an inferior fighter, she's just a muggle hence not being to do much against hellions but that doesn't mean she isn't a strong one. Actually, it is implied, in the game, that the Scattered Bones are super powerful. |
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glutton said: FrozenSheep said: Actually, it is implied, in the game, that the Scattered Bones are super powerful. I didn't remember that, but if it was it was never shown. Rose is still better than the lot of them so it shouldn't be a problem to accept there might be other characters out there who are peers of Rose and by extension above the rest. Noob Sorey just starting out was able to beat up hellion Lunarre anyway and Alisha isn't much below Sorey gameplay wise so yeah. It was during a conversation with Dezel. It was never shown though... but it is kind of implied too. In the game, you fight some soldiers and easily defeat them. Those Assassins were harder to kill (not that it means much, in a game). |
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| pretty good episode imo overall. the character interaction between alisha and the red short hair girl was kinda looked like a cliche in my perspective tho. but i like their determination. basically, this episode is just a build up for the war in the next episode. so, 2 more episodes left. i think ufotable just made a mistake... |
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glutton said: FrozenSheep said: It was during a conversation with Dezel. It was never shown though... but it is kind of implied too. In the game, you fight some soldiers and easily defeat them. Those Assassins were harder to kill (not that it means much, in a game). Well yeah I think they'd be better than the average soldier but still Sorey with his IIRC self-taught fighting style was able to drive off Lunarre as a hellion while having very little battle experience, if anything trained Alisha's skills would likely be above self-taught Sorey's but nobody would complain about Sorey matching Rose. Thinking Alisha 'should' be weak is pure anti-Hime bias I tell ya lol. It wasn't addressed in the Anime, I think, but Hellions are weakened when they enter a Blessed Domain. Gramps's Blessed Domain weakened Lunarre thus you were able to repel him away... Or that was just a convenient excuse in the game to throw him at you again :P Alisha is strong. Don't let haters tell you otherwise. She's idealistic to a fault, but at least she's strong enough to be able to move towards that direction. |
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Yamada2 said: The top brass back at the capital is planning on starting a war with the neighbors to get their supplies because they need some. And Alisha is determined to stop this war from ever happening. War will lead to killing which will lead to more killing which will lead to all sorts of bad stuff ultimately resulting in a whole lot of malevolence which will be anything but good. Alisha plans on going as far as to tell her men to drop their weapons in front of the enemy. And even if they attack and kill one person, they won't fight back. Rose is out for Alisha's head because they don't want Alisha dragging in everyone down because of her ideals. But Alisha shows her resolve that even if she has to become the one sacrifice, she will. If I may ask, why Rose who doesn't want innocent blood shed at Alisha's resolve, could not kill Lord Bartlow instead since he's the one starting the war??? The assassin group even accepted his offer on excuse that it will lead to bloodshed, but isn't the lord is instigating it??? The ep was fine. Sorey still seems naive, pushover and ready to serve. Some moments felt like they rushed and don't know how many days they take in reconstructing Marlind. Alisha is a capable leader but can her small cavalry force be a deterrent to the massive capital force??? |
rinneganfire4u said: Yamada2 said: The top brass back at the capital is planning on starting a war with the neighbors to get their supplies because they need some. And Alisha is determined to stop this war from ever happening. War will lead to killing which will lead to more killing which will lead to all sorts of bad stuff ultimately resulting in a whole lot of malevolence which will be anything but good. Alisha plans on going as far as to tell her men to drop their weapons in front of the enemy. And even if they attack and kill one person, they won't fight back. Rose is out for Alisha's head because they don't want Alisha dragging in everyone down because of her ideals. But Alisha shows her resolve that even if she has to become the one sacrifice, she will. If I may ask, why Rose who doesn't want innocent blood shed at Alisha's resolve, could not kill Lord Bartlow instead since he's the one starting the war??? The assassin group even accepted his offer on excuse that it will lead to bloodshed, but isn't the lord is instigating it??? The ep was fine. Sorey still seems naive, pushover and ready to serve. Some moments felt like they rushed and don't know how many days they take in reconstructing Marlind. Alisha is a capable leader but can her small cavalry force be a deterrent to the massive capital force??? A good point, but you're assuming that the other side is completely innocent (maybe they also want war). If both sides want war, then killing Bartlow isn't going to change much. If anything, it might be used as a tool to start a war. |
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| This was a great episode and i loved how in addition to showing that Alisha is a able combatant that she is also a great leader Rose is a great character and it wasn't that hard to figure out that she was the assassin. The scene where she and the assassins confronted Alisha was well done and from that scene i saw just how much conviction Alisha had in not starting wars. Something that Rose saw as well. My impression of Alisha is much higher now after seeing this. Overall i liked this episode and i especially liked the scene at the graveyard and Lailah's explanation in how even the most simple of emotions and actions could cause malevolence to expand. The scene where Sorey purified the human hellion was well done as was the explanation given by Lailah Guess being a Shepard is a lonely path after all can't wait to see whether they will be able to stop the war next episode |
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Net-Raid said: To be honest, I don't remember much about this. Can you show me where you get this from?(which scene? where is this mentioned?) glutton said: I doubt the same people would complain if Sergei was shown fighting Rose evenly, I think Alisha just doesn't 'seem strong' to them because she's a princess wearing pink but looks have never stopped anyone from being strong in Tales universe - Estelle is one of if not the tankiest character in Vesperia, Colette is the most broken melee fighter in her game despite looking like the white mage, Cheria is the most broken melee fighter despite BEING the white mage lol. It's funny how some people here like to put words into other people's mouth. Not strong =/= weak. First off, I never thought of Alisha as weak, she is at the very least above average to me compared to other knights. However, at the same time nothing in the game ever indicates how strong she is with the spear either. Though to be fair, the game was never entirely fleshed out either, but from how little was shown/depicted, they never made it seem like she's some top class fighter either/something. tl;dr Nothing proves she's weak(and no one ever said that), but you can't prove how skillful she is either. Anything said further than that(unless backed up by a source) is biased. Scattered Bones on the other hand were a bit more fleshed out. My memory is a bit hazy but I think it was mentioned by Sorey and co. in a skit that they're quite powerful. Here's the content of the skit(found on tumblr): S is Sorey, M is Mikleo, etc. And this is coming from Sorey who is a friggin' powerful Shepherd and old seraphs like Lailah and Edna. Secondly, I don't think you can argue much from a gameplay perspective. I mean true to an extent what you see in gameplay does reflect a character's ability plot-wise, but I wouldn't really use it as an argument. Thirdly, I don't get why you mentioned Estelle, Colette, and Cheria. Plot-wise, all these 3 characters have powers, unlike Alisha. Some of them are capable of certain feats and it shows in the game. Also, I really hate posting spoilers like this :/ On top of knights, i meant she's better than all knights . Also she was trained by maltran who alone is a beast (mentioned clearly in game) and has helped her throughout if you're talking about indication in game about her being good . and you ignored that from me when i have posted more than 1 time already, and excuse me if I'm repeating myself here . the anime didn't actually make that much strong against Rose . I mean in episode 3 , she was merely holding up her defense while Rose continued her attacks which is fair imo . And in the last episode, she didn't defeat her in combat or shown to be of equal (rose was overwhelming her) but Rose decided not to kill her in the end ... I think if the game gave us more time to play with Alisha , we wouldn't be arguing that much lol .... |
Shishou_23Sep 14, 2016 7:45 AM
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Net-Raid said: @DragonSlayer_19 Sorry about that, I'm not an active poster and to be honest I wonder why I even bother with this. Now about your post, I know she's trained by Maltran and given my experience with the game, I agree Alisha is at least better than your average knight, but nothing states she's better than ALL knights(or at least I don't remember) so unless you have a source, you shouldn't state she's on top of knights. You can't ask people to prove "Where does it say that she's not better than all knights?". It's the other way around. You have to show proof that she's better than all knights because you're the one who make such claim. I mean when you think she's been trained personally by maltran and commands the whole knights . you'd expect her to be idk better than them .not that many of Hyland's knights are a big deal in the first place lol. Still with what the anime made regardless of that, she's still not that much strong as rose as I have stated in my latest post quoting you . One thing i must say is if we got to use alisha to her full potential with best equipment and higher level instead of just the beginning near midway unlike Rose from near midway to end, i think it wouldn't have been that hard to think of her strong . i mean one of the things that made think of Rose as beast is her spammy artes so I wouldn't rule out gameplay also , not saying gameplay is the biggest proof but it factors ...edit: Lol i just realized this dragged to a 3rd page lmao tbh i got tired too now of this alisha and rose talk lol |
Shishou_23Sep 14, 2016 8:25 AM
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| It's one of these "zzzzzz" epiosde. Boring as hell(ion). |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| Man. Another sweet episode. The visuals, again......amazing. Again I have not played the games, so this is all pretty sweet to me. I'm gaining new attachments as opposed to critiquing existing ones. And Alisha was pretty sweet. I know some people have complained, but I really like the pacing. 24 minutes flies by with a feeling of satisfaction. I'm left with not wanting more. |
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| A totally random remark. Both times that Rose and Alisha "clashed" were in Rose's favor. Alisha lost her famed spear and was using a secondary weapon (dagger). In Rose's defense, she was wearing a mask, which could potentially hinders her vision. Rose is a seasoned warrior though. I doubt that Alisha had to fight nearly as often as Rose did. |
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