| On September 2, 1945, 71 years and 1 day ago, the Japanese Instrument of Surrender was signed aboard the USS Missouri anchored in Tokyo Bay, thus officially bringing an end to combat operations in the Pacific theater and with it, World War 2. To commemorate and remember an event which was no doubt instrumental in allowing us easy access to an unbelievable amount of Japanese animation irrespective of quality today, we're going to simulwatch the HBO Miniseries, "The Pacific" so as to remember what people went through so that we can all be here today, debating the relative merits of Japanese animation works. @jizzyhitler @kokko @ckan @zergneedsfood and whoever else wants to join: We're going to start on the 9th, if nobody has any problems with that, after znf gets back from keeping his family out of the newspapers. We can either do this the usual way, ie. agree on some pace and then dump our thoughts on each episode here, or alternatively, we can do a literal simulwatch on skype/discord/teamspeak/whatever VoIP software is hip these days. Let me know what option you guys are down with and what pace you want to go through the 10 hour long episodes. Oh, and, probably get started downloading, if you haven't already. I guess. |
| I hope you guys have fun. Band of Brothers was better though |
| yo don't be such a fuckin debbie downer you keep trying to hammer home that it was bad how 'bout you sit the fuck down and let us watch it and form our own opinions |
| id probably be ok doing a skype/discord type deal but im so swamped with work and uni its probably not likley for me to join in. Id probably be alright doing 1 episode a day |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Skype is good I'm going away on the 19th for a month so it'd be good if we could watch 2 episodes a day at least once |
| Uh. I use basically all of the recommended forms of communication, so I'll just default to the one that everybody here is going to use. If we don't actually use any of it, I'm okay posting my thoughts here. |
| K if kokko doesn't want to get Discord then skype it is. We can probably do 2 episodes a day on one of the weekend days. Now... what time works for everyone? Cause I can pretty much only do 1030pm on monday to thursday but pretty much any time on friday Saturday and sunday If we cant find a time that works for everyone guess we just do it the old fashioned way or maybe a mix of the two. nbd |
fstSep 6, 2016 9:17 AM
| I watch : D |
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| Finished the first ep Zerg missed it cuz hes a degenerate I wont spoil you guys Ill leave you guys a quote tho 'we'll yank the surviving japs out of their shit-filled holes by their yellow balls' |
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| So it begins. Unfortunately the file I downloaded is poorly encoded and the audio blows... RIP. But I'll power through episode one until I get a better one downloaded. |
| @-FM- you noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooob when I said no spoilers I meant on discord, because discord doesn't have spoiler tags (at least not that I know of) You can go nuts here if you tag that shit |
fst said: This shit has the same problem as I had with Band of Brothers (the bits of it that I watched, anyway) where I can't tell who's who, or what anybody's name is Imo, The Pacific is way worse in that BoB actually followed the division, and had distinct faces. It was just harder to keep up since they spent so much time ground hugging and in the dark. The cast was way bigger to, I think. Everyone just looks the same in The Pacific, and they almost all felt like bit-roles. fst said: I feel that on the whole the plot is not as cohesive as Generation Kill. Relies just a touch too much on silence? I'm not really sure if that's it. In any case, although I feel like I keep pointing out things I don't like about it... the actual experience was pretty good, even though I don't specifically identify anything that I feel it did particularly well.[/spoiler] That's because the scripting and everything is honestly pretty lame aside from the fun/psycho quips like what FM quoted. #debbiedownering #rainonyourparade |
CkanSep 10, 2016 1:29 AM
Ok ima stahp you right there. Band of Brothers does not follow an entire fucking division, because 101st airborne is 6,000 men. Band of Brothers follows Easy Company, which is a far more reasonable ~100 men. But yea there's a lot more sameface in this one, plus it's concocted from multiple separate memoirs of people who weren't even in the same battallion, whereas BoB was adapted from one book. To top it off it feels like they never address anybody by name. So yea if this keeps up I have no idea how they're going to accomplish any sort of meaningful characterization. Also the quips weren't nearly as good as Generation Kill. I guess their generation was just more reserved. And more white. And not hopped up on Ripped Fuel. |
| Ay my bad. fst said: If I remember, there was a lot of profanity in Pacific - but obviously not GenKill levels.So yea if this keeps up I have no idea how they're going to accomplish any sort of meaningful characterization. Also the quips weren't nearly as good as Generation Kill. I guess their generation was just more reserved. And more white. And not hopped up on Ripped Fuel. There's some intense stuff further in, and I guess some of it was thought provoking to an extent given how it's the neglected theatre and all. But the island hopping and unnoticeable time-skips combined with character-hopping made it feel pretty messy narratively. It's not like BoB or Gen where you feel that you're following the guys and feeling them motions as the war goes along. The way it portrayed the violence felt kind of artificial visually too - though I can't really pinpoint why. Maybe i'll give it a look over when you guys are further in. It kind of does have a theme/message/moment each ep I suppose, but it's nowhere near as dynamic and ART as BoB. It doesn't have the heavy messaging and impact of GenKilll either. The Pacific is sort of like... a politically correct slighly challenging dramatic war eulogy updated to modern edge-standards. |
CkanSep 10, 2016 11:16 AM
| It's not the neglected theatre you scrub If it was, we wouldn't have an HBO miniseries about it The neglected theatre was the Burma campaign. |
| I obviously meant between the actual US efforts, baka. |
Ckan said: I obviously meant between the actual US efforts, baka. The US was in Burma too dipshit |
But meh. Despite all that I have to say I am really enjoying the series so far. |
| Yeah, the OP sold the show for me. I'd listen to it every time. fst said: I dunno if it was the special effects, but there's some actual intense/more dynamic parts later on that might've done it. The setting work was really nice too.Apparently one of the later episodes won an Emmy for effects... but it's a pretty narrow field since miniseries are in a separate category from TV series. Meh. It's just, sometimes, I wish I could see effects on the level of what you see in films like Inception, or, hell, anything ILM does. Pretty much. I think the sense of time matters less/is maybe more obvious/or done better later on in the show - but I think it definitely reflects the overall sloshy storytelling of the series. |
| THe difference between you and me is, I'm still enjoying the experience because of all the things it still manages to do right and you're being a grumpy little bitch about it. |
| It's not my fault that BoB and GK made me a HBO war drama prude. In fact, it's totally your fault. |
Ckan said: It's not my fault that BoB and GK made me a HBO war drama prude. In fact, it's totally your fault. How is that my fault you watched both of those before I ever brought up either of them |
| I could swear you were shilling Gen Kill way way way back. |
Ckan said: I could swear you were shilling Gen Kill way way way back. if by way way back you mean like a few months ago then yea |
| Watched second ep. The characters are getting a little bit more personality, it's just not good enough so far. The plot is kind of weird too so I cant tell where the show is headed (skipped bootcamp and now they're leaving the island already.) I also don't care about heart murmur fuckboy. I feel like there's a ton of war dramas that pull it off better than this has so far. Maybe its since war dramas are so common that it's hard to watch this without being kind of biased. Btw I don't I've never really watched any HBO shows, but the acting seems a little sub-par @fst your avatar gif bugs me |
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Are you triggered by this? |
| @fst You like war so much but you aren't even in the army, why is that? |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| Episode 1 It's okay I guess. Pretty much plays out how I'd kind of expect it. Lots of cliche stuff that I've seen before in other pacific theater/ww2 films where you kind of almost obligatory put them in. Throwing up in the landing craft, Japanese soldier blows himself up, they rush in en masse, etc. etc. etc. The CGI on the ships firing off the coast seemed super sketch though. Like I have a shit eye for this stuff and even I could tell something was really off. Favorite scene was basically the period between when they land on the beach and they scour for potential guerillas in the dark. Good tension/feeling of anxiety. Gave it a raw intensity that echoes the newness of the troops in a never seen before place. Then we go back to stock scenes of what we'd normally expect. Don't really know anybody. Not particularly interested in any of them. There's that writer that seems okay though. He gets all the snarky lines. His letter at the end of the episode was super trite though, and much like in episode two, most of his writings generally are zzzz I don't know if they're real or made up for embellishment, but either way it's pretty cringeworthy. Episode 2 Again, it's okay I guess. Easy enough to get through. I actually just finished the episode and really don't recall much. rip Uhhh....scenes I liked. Scenes where they stole shit from the Army. That was pretty funny, and then they got bombed straight after in what seemed like karmic retribution, which was kind of gruesome. I have a hard time seeing things in the dark. Not sure if it's just the video or my brightness settings, but even if the intent is to make things feel chaotic, shouldn't be to the point where half the time I don't know who's on the ground, who's moving where. Music is kind of cliche, but I guess you have to expect it from a show of this nature. Just realized it was Hans Zimmer doing the music, so this sort of orchestral schlock designed to touch at the heart strings is definitely up his alley. But eh. You've heard these sort of compositions all the time and they get really stale really fast. It's the same sort of ascending scale with the trumpets that are accompanied by a melancholic but victorious violin theme that's just so typical American bravado. Whatever. I can deal with it and play along I guess. |
| Dw guys, the best main Zergneedsfood said: Don't really know anybody. Not particularly interested in any of them. There's that writer that seems okay though. He gets all the snarky lines. His letter at the end of the episode was super trite though, and much like in episode two, most of his writings generally are zzzz I don't know if they're real or made up for embellishment, but either way it's pretty cringeworthy. He's a sports journalist iirc, so it's probably in character. If anime has taught us anything, it's that war kills people. And believe it or not, fst is a person. |
| tfw sports journalists are just cringe tier eh, maybe |
Call it a morbid fascination. But basically I know enough about the military to know that it doesn't suit me. Zergneedsfood said: It's okay I guess. Pretty much plays out how I'd kind of expect it. Lots of cliche stuff that I've seen before in other pacific theater/ww2 films where you kind of almost obligatory put them in. Throwing up in the landing craft, Japanese soldier blows himself up, they rush in en masse, etc. etc. etc. The CGI on the ships firing off the coast seemed super sketch though. Like I have a shit eye for this stuff and even I could tell something was really off. Yea the first half or so was basically an adaptation of Cod:WaW's campaign, only with shittier graphics. Zergneedsfood said: Don't really know anybody. Not particularly interested in any of them. There's that writer that seems okay though. He gets all the snarky lines. His letter at the end of the episode was super trite though, and much like in episode two, most of his writings generally are zzzz Well it's just that this miniseries is based in part on his memoirs. Figures that the guy who was already a writer would write his memoirs, y'know. Zergneedsfood said: I have a hard time seeing things in the dark. Not sure if it's just the video or my brightness settings, but even if the intent is to make things feel chaotic, shouldn't be to the point where half the time I don't know who's on the ground, who's moving where. yea pretty sure that's just you, I almost thought a few scenes were a tad overlit, not as bad as that one episode of Generation Kill, but the point is, fix your settings yo. Zergneedsfood said: Music is kind of cliche, but I guess you have to expect it from a show of this nature. Just realized it was Hans Zimmer doing the music, so this sort of orchestral schlock designed to touch at the heart strings is definitely up his alley. But eh. You've heard these sort of compositions all the time and they get really stale really fast. It's the same sort of ascending scale with the trumpets that are accompanied by a melancholic but victorious violin theme that's just so typical American bravado. Whatever. I can deal with it and play along I guess. bruuuuuuh I mean yea it's an awardbait song but it's still gr8 |
| Episode 3 lol. sex. Obviously it's not really "filler," but it seem like they needed an episode of calm to get the guys to the next part of the war. Poor Leckie getting dumped because his gf thought he'd get chilled. Kind of sad, but also kind of funny since it's kind of what we're all thinking anyway. At first the guy who won the Medal of Honor seemed like a weird choice since the episode before I didn't think he did anything that stood out (kind of strange to say that since I couldn't even do what he did), but fst explained to me that the actual circumstances were completely different and his feats were incredibly impressive. It was funny how that was juxtaposed with him just being shitfaced drunk while that was happening. Overall, a pretty meh~ kind of episode with not much going on. Nice to see people having sex I guess? |
| I don't think they needed a breather so much as they wanted to show the home front or something. What I find funny is if this were an anime people would complain endlessly about needless filler and pointless, trashy fanservice, since Leckie's fling is entirely fictional... and cause he already has a girl at home, sorta. I also find it funny that this would be the equivalent of a beach episode, since it's mostly various drunken shenanigans, but cause it's The Pacific, every episode (except this one) is a beach episode (hue). Oh, and: Zergneedsfood said: At first the guy who won the Medal of Honor seemed like a weird choice since the episode before I didn't think he did anything that stood out (kind of strange to say that since I couldn't even do what he did), but fst explained to me that the actual circumstances were completely different and his feats were incredibly impressive. It was funny how that was juxtaposed with him just being shitfaced drunk while that was happening. I think you missed out on a lot because of your shitty brightness settings, like the part where the guy picked up a burning hot machine gun in order to lug it to another position (bludgeoning some jap to death with it along the way), getting into various hand-to-hand fights, clearing out the giant pile of corpses, and a bunch of other badass things. But yea still not as badass as what he actually got the medal of honor for. |
fst said: I did see that part. I just didn't see it that clearly. I think what wasn't as clear was the bombing like 20/30 minutes before. Half of the scene I had no idea where people were.I don't think they needed a breather so much as they wanted to show the home front or something. What I find funny is if this were an anime people would complain endlessly about needless filler and pointless, trashy fanservice, since Leckie's fling is entirely fictional... and cause he already has a girl at home, sorta. I also find it funny that this would be the equivalent of a beach episode, since it's mostly various drunken shenanigans, but cause it's The Pacific, every episode (except this one) is a beach episode (hue). Oh, and: Zergneedsfood said: At first the guy who won the Medal of Honor seemed like a weird choice since the episode before I didn't think he did anything that stood out (kind of strange to say that since I couldn't even do what he did), but fst explained to me that the actual circumstances were completely different and his feats were incredibly impressive. It was funny how that was juxtaposed with him just being shitfaced drunk while that was happening. I think you missed out on a lot because of your shitty brightness settings, like the part where the guy picked up a burning hot machine gun in order to lug it to another position (bludgeoning some jap to death with it along the way), getting into various hand-to-hand fights, clearing out the giant pile of corpses, and a bunch of other badass things. But yea still not as badass as what he actually got the medal of honor for. |
| Episode 4 Pretty intense moments in this episode. Guess the choice was to sort of showcase that dreadful lull, where the enemy in the pacific wasn't just the japanese it was also the jungle/the environment/weather/etc. Overall, that was pretty cool, though I'm still not particularly sure why some guy decided to off himself. From what fst said, the book wasn't really clear on that either, but I guess we can just speculate it has to do with the stress/hatred for the environment/fact that they spent so much time there that drove people insane. Wonder if the moment at the end of the episode was foreshadowing, the part about Japanese snipers. Obviously these are memoirs, so "plot points" don't fit neatly together like that, but it's something to think about when we haven't even seen any Japanese snipers in the episodes where there were battles. At that point it's just been the Americans mowing down waves of Japanese soldiers. |
| I mean Helmet for my Pillow was published in 1957 So... |
| Episode 5 Looks like we gonna have like a two part episode or whatever. Beach battle was pretty reminiscent of Saving Private Ryan, but not as gory and close up, but it still had that sort of raw intensity to it....mostly because for the most part we were following the new guy, and this time it was the Americans turn to get mowed down by the opposition. ...Don't really have much other thoughts to be honest. |
| Forgot to write my thoughts at work today. Whoops. Episode 6 Again, interesting episode. I think of all the ones we watched so far, this one had the most intense fighting. Maybe it's because it spanned most of the episode, and it's probably also in part because the Japanese looked like they had the upper hand here, but in general, just felt like this was one of the more exciting episodes. Sad to see Leckie go. I mean, in general I guess it's good he got the fuck out of there, but at the same time, I thought he along with his comrades were the more compelling group to follow. Guy with random heart problems is just not as interesting, and the people he's with are even more forgettable than Leckie's crew, which says something I think. |
| Admit it, you only like leckie cause he's a writer. Pure of heart is the superior degenerate marine, you'll see. |
Ckan said: I mean, I said that at the very beginning. :/Admit it, you only like leckie cause he's a writer |
| tfw ckan isn't censoring znf's spoilerific posts Episode 5 @zergneedsfood I dunno it was pretty close up. The camera sticks pretty close with Sledge the whole time whereas I remember Saving Private Ryan had a few shots from above the beaches from the perspective of the german machine gunners, whereas all the shots in this were from around Sledge's perspective. I guess it was just more chaotic and didn't stop to chew the scenery with respect to the gore. They did that in episode 6 mostly. Episode 6 wewlad a 3 parter @zergneedsfood The reason you think Sledge's clique is less interesting is because they haven't had nearly as much time away from the action for characterization, since they got half an episode of that before being thrown into what has been pretty much constant action. Doesn't help that a bunch of the guys Sledge landed with are dead by the end of the episode. I think you probably feel the same way about Sledge's group as you did about Leckie's group at the end of episode 1 or 2, which is to say, not much. Still, a few of 'em got establishing character moments, which is more than can be said for a lot of Leckie's buddies. |
| I mean....by the end of episode 2 i knew about the guy that shit for an entire night ....i like that guy |
Zergneedsfood said: I mean....by the end of episode 2 i knew about the guy that shit for an entire night ....i like that guy but you don't like angry old guy who yelled at the sky because it stopped raining whilst standing butt ass naked covered in soap in the middle of the road? |
fst said: Okay, he was pretty cool.Zergneedsfood said: I mean....by the end of episode 2 i knew about the guy that shit for an entire night ....i like that guy but you don't like angry old guy who yelled at the sky because it stopped raining whilst standing butt ass naked covered in soap in the middle of the road? |
fst said: Zergneedsfood said: I mean....by the end of episode 2 i knew about the guy that shit for an entire night ....i like that guy but you don't like angry old guy who yelled at the sky because it stopped raining whilst standing butt ass naked covered in soap in the middle of the road? what you actually said was: Zergneedsfood said: There's that writer that seems okay though. He gets all the snarky lines. His letter at the end of the episode was super trite though, and much like in episode two, most of his writings generally are zzzz |
| Episode 7 Episode 8 |
| Ep 7 Ep 8 Only okinawa and going home left now. |
| Final thoughts on The Pacific: It was okay. Not bad. Not good though. I think when it came to the action, it got pretty good. And, as much as it was sort of offsetting, I do like that there was a variety of different people who worked on different battles so it wasn't the same thing every single time. Last episode sort of just wraps things up. Nothing particular to say about it. The one before you had Sledge going full edge mode, which is kind of understandable. What I will say though is that the show had a bunch of ridiculous time skips so it was sort of disjointed/hard to really place myself at one period of time or another. I don't really think that detracts too much from the show, to be honest, because it's more like one of those things where you go "oh wtf we're in 1946 now?" and then move on. Still, would've liked it to be more continuous rather than something that jumped from place to place. Guess that's a product of it adapting multiple memoirs and putting them together though. Anyway, Sledge turned out to be pretty cool by the end in the sense that I think he came away most impacted/developed by the whole ordeal. Out of all the other characters, I don't think I "like" him as much as I sort of respect how much he went through as opposed to how much we got from the other characters, since I think he arguably gets the most amount of screen time in terms of before, during, and after the war. Overall, I don't necessarily regret that I watched this, because fst gave me a lot of good info about the war, but it was just okay. |
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