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Aug 17, 2009 4:37 PM
#51
lol... "why are we rushing so fanatically" this thought keeps chasing me from the 16-17 eps... geez. I even can't remember the dig scene in the manga.. and lol the manga and anime are really far away from each other (i'm talking about chapters and eps) the manga is spinning arpond the 40 and the anime is on the 20th ep.. I can't get it... and i really didn't like the back music, and some of the art. Something "revolutionary" must happen to take my love from the first series and magically transport it to the FMAB :D geez... what are Bones doing... They're so out of art, music, characters, drama, humor and so on... If it goes this way to the last episode i'll kill myself of sadness.... (and again - such annoying music..) Edit: oh yeah.. about the thing they've transmuted.. whats with this crap ?! i never saw that coming, anyway i'll be patient and stay put till the end ^^ |
SN00KYAug 17, 2009 4:41 PM
Aug 17, 2009 4:41 PM
#52
Oosran said: I laughed real hard at that scene. It made my day aswell.ragnaroks said: HawthorneKitty said: I love Lan Fan's face. Yeah that was win :D Yeah it made my day : D Although Ling's face's not so bad either Although I didnt get one thing. I must have missed a scene. Can anyone explain why Edo was vomiting while digging? Is it from the smell of dead body or the fact that he was digging a dead body which made him feel bad? |
porkypinkAug 17, 2009 4:45 PM
Aug 17, 2009 4:59 PM
#53
Melodrama. He was sick with nervousness that he could have not transmuted his mother in the first place, and therefore losing Al's body for nothing. Maybe his joints hurt when it's about to rain like he said, but he was clutching his stomach and chest, and not his arm or leg. Much more emo and over the top than anything I've seen recently. A little hokey. |
Aug 17, 2009 5:34 PM
#54
noteDhero said: I thought that was pretty nice man, really fits the mood of that scene - you can just see/feel the tension build up and Ed going a lil wacko XDMelodrama. He was sick with nervousness that he could have not transmuted his mother in the first place, and therefore losing Al's body for nothing. Maybe his joints hurt when it's about to rain like he said, but he was clutching his stomach and chest, and not his arm or leg. Much more emo and over the top than anything I've seen recently. A little hokey. |
Aug 17, 2009 5:38 PM
#55
Aug 17, 2009 5:41 PM
#56
Lots of juicy plot in this episode, can't help but say I miss Mustang when he misses an episode. |
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Aug 17, 2009 5:42 PM
#57
hakufirefox said: Wait, I'm confused. What the hell did I just watch? Let me get this straight: Ed transmuted some random guy from the other side of the gate instead of his mother and didn't know until this ep. And somehow that makes things possible to get Al's body back and Izumi's son back...? I don't understand how Ed didn't know what he transmuted wasn't his mother. And then why isn't his mother in her own grave? Where is his mother? Am I supposed to know these things by the episode? If not, please don't tell me. TL;DR: I'm confused about ep 20, someone help without spoiling the series for me. Basically it was just Ed figuring out that it's impossible to bring back the dead no matter what. What he transmuted was a soulless body which is why Al was looking through it's eyes before Ed attached Al's soul to the armor. Ed and Al gathered the essential ingredients for a human but it was impossible to actually bring back their mother because, well...she's dead.Trisha Elric is in her own grave, dead. No possible way for her to be brought back. Same goes for Izumi's kid because her child is gone, thus when she performed the transmutation, she created a soulless human, not even really human for that matter. Based on that, it's possible to get Al's body back because technically Al didn't die, his body was just taken away by the Truth. If Ed and Al can re-open the gate they opened when doing the human transmutation, they can get back Al's body because it's not dead, just kind of...I guess "resting". I hope that helped a bit... |
Aug 17, 2009 5:45 PM
#58
robbydesu said: I thought that was pretty nice man, really fits the mood of that scene - you can just see/feel the tension build up and Ed going a lil wacko XD Did you? I just thought it was too much. He was at a 10 that whole scene and I just couldn't really tolerate it. I had a problem with most of his actions/reactions at Reseembool. He was better at Central for me. |
Aug 17, 2009 5:46 PM
#59
On my own note on the episode, it was good. Loved Ed digging up that..thing's bones. It was very dramatic, but I still loved it. For some reason, the background music during the ending scene with Ed and Al really caught my attention...I liked it a lot, not quite sure if it really matched the scene, but the music itself was pretty neato. Then Hoheinheim...haha I love him even though he's basically an insensitive jackass who can be kind of dorky at times. Hidden potential, ftw. Needs more Xingese. :( |
Aug 17, 2009 6:00 PM
#60
He might had a large back now but he's still a shorty. I wonder if that wasn't the person they wanted to make, what or who was it? |
Aug 17, 2009 6:17 PM
#61
hakufirefox said: Wait, I'm confused. What the hell did I just watch? Let me get this straight: Ed transmuted some random guy from the other side of the gate instead of his mother and didn't know until this ep. And somehow that makes things possible to get Al's body back and Izumi's son back...? I don't understand how Ed didn't know what he transmuted wasn't his mother. And then why isn't his mother in her own grave? Where is his mother? Am I supposed to know these things by the episode? If not, please don't tell me. TL;DR: I'm confused about ep 20, someone help without spoiling the series for me. ed's mom has always been in the grave....i dont know how you thought she wasnt NoyaChan said: Wait, so if they didn't transmutate their mom, what DID they transmutate? Like, some random body without a soul? :O Hmm. Also, Ed's dig up scene was done brilliantly ;( to both of you....they cant take something out of the gate that was never in there to begin with, example ed and al's mom and izumi's baby....they died they werent used as payment for a transumation like al....which is why ed can get al's body back....im pretty sure that with this ep what i just said no longer counts as a spoiler but if im wrong...sorry |
Aug 17, 2009 6:30 PM
#62
lolodalonghorn said: hakufirefox said: Wait, I'm confused. What the hell did I just watch? Let me get this straight: Ed transmuted some random guy from the other side of the gate instead of his mother and didn't know until this ep. And somehow that makes things possible to get Al's body back and Izumi's son back...? I don't understand how Ed didn't know what he transmuted wasn't his mother. And then why isn't his mother in her own grave? Where is his mother? Am I supposed to know these things by the episode? If not, please don't tell me. TL;DR: I'm confused about ep 20, someone help without spoiling the series for me. Basically it was just Ed figuring out that it's impossible to bring back the dead no matter what. What he transmuted was a soulless body which is why Al was looking through it's eyes before Ed attached Al's soul to the armor. Ed and Al gathered the essential ingredients for a human but it was impossible to actually bring back their mother because, well...she's dead.Trisha Elric is in her own grave, dead. No possible way for her to be brought back. Same goes for Izumi's kid because her child is gone, thus when she performed the transmutation, she created a soulless human, not even really human for that matter. Based on that, it's possible to get Al's body back because technically Al didn't die, his body was just taken away by the Truth. If Ed and Al can re-open the gate they opened when doing the human transmutation, they can get back Al's body because it's not dead, just kind of...I guess "resting". I hope that helped a bit... Thanks so much man, I get it now. :) Thanks for clearing that up. |
Aug 17, 2009 6:36 PM
#63
noteDhero said: At a 10? You mean being too extreme? XDrobbydesu said: I thought that was pretty nice man, really fits the mood of that scene - you can just see/feel the tension build up and Ed going a lil wacko XD Did you? I just thought it was too much. He was at a 10 that whole scene and I just couldn't really tolerate it. I had a problem with most of his actions/reactions at Reseembool. He was better at Central for me. You don't like him in Resembool because...? My guess is~ because he's acting reaaaally childish/immature? :P |
Aug 17, 2009 6:47 PM
#64
Yeah, too extreme. With the exception of the confrontation with Hohenheim at the grave. That was a fair, if not a little subdued, reaction. I can't even call it childish or immature. It was just weird digging up his mother's grave. It felt like a totally different show. I really don't know what it was. Ed just wasn't acting at all like himself. I almost felt like I was watching Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde and Ed was about to change. |
Aug 17, 2009 7:21 PM
#65
noteDhero said: LOL I guess XDYeah, too extreme. With the exception of the confrontation with Hohenheim at the grave. That was a fair, if not a little subdued, reaction. I can't even call it childish or immature. It was just weird digging up his mother's grave. It felt like a totally different show. I really don't know what it was. Ed just wasn't acting at all like himself. I almost felt like I was watching Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde and Ed was about to change. But it's not like we know specifically what Ed is like to "be himself". I mean, for anyone there are diff sides to the person. Plus we pretty much know the reaosn behind his behaviour - but yea I guess it is dramatic.....still like it though :P! |
Aug 17, 2009 7:35 PM
#66
I disagree. Generally, Ed is an oversensitive, overcompensating albeit talented kid who likes to cover up for the fact that he (as Hohenheim wonderfully pointed out) ran away from the biggest mistake of his life by forcing everyone else to come to terms with their own realities. All that said his closer relationships prove how much of a child he is (not realizing he's in love with Winry, not opening up more to his family, short jokes, etc.) even though his is more than capable at his job. This was a very important episode for Ed in that Hohenheim forces him to become more adult and to come to terms with his choices and its consequences, and I guess because it was more forced than natural that it felt awkward to me. This easily could have been separated into two episodes...or extended into a second episode, but even then, I don't think that would have fixed the issue I had with it. I guess that's just the nature of forced character development. Comparatively though, Al's stuff went over much better...though I am getting tired of Al saying he wants to be more proactive and then pretty much choking/depending on someone else to bail him out. |
Aug 17, 2009 7:40 PM
#67
Aug 17, 2009 8:33 PM
#68
noteDhero said: Wait what? Am I missing something here?I disagree. Generally, Ed is an oversensitive, overcompensating albeit talented kid who likes to cover up for the fact that he (as Hohenheim wonderfully pointed out) ran away from the biggest mistake of his life by forcing everyone else to come to terms with their own realities. All that said his closer relationships prove how much of a child he is (not realizing he's in love with Winry, not opening up more to his family, short jokes, etc.) even though his is more than capable at his job. This was a very important episode for Ed in that Hohenheim forces him to become more adult and to come to terms with his choices and its consequences, and I guess because it was more forced than natural that it felt awkward to me. This easily could have been separated into two episodes...or extended into a second episode, but even then, I don't think that would have fixed the issue I had with it. I guess that's just the nature of forced character development. Comparatively though, Al's stuff went over much better...though I am getting tired of Al saying he wants to be more proactive and then pretty much choking/depending on someone else to bail him out. I don't think I ever mentioned the idea of thinking this is not an important episode for Ed's (and Al's) character development. Of course Ed is growing up and this episode really shows a lot of that. But i don't think it's proper to say that "it's not like him" just because he matures - I think the concept of maturing is part of being a human being. It was bound to happen for Ed, I mean he's bound to mature sometime...and I guess now is the time (in your perspective, you probably would've wanted it to happen sooner?) . Your description of Ed is kinda biased imo, since I think to some extent his personality sorta depends on our subjective views and beliefs. I dunno, I don't really like to dwell on sticking a bunch of adjectives or any sort of description on a character until I have gotten all of the information...meaning I've finished watching the series/reading the manga. Even if I were to give a vague description of the character, I am fully aware of the fact that it is incomplete. So when it comes to seeing a character acting in a way that seems "out of character" - I can't really complain much or be too surprised because I give leeway in the idea of my preconceived opinion of "who that character is supposed to be like" being changed. As for the time, that is a problem I guess. But I think we all know that "time" is something that BONES isn't handling very well with at the moment (you know, with all the constant complaints about it and how they cut out this and that). So I think right now, I'm just grateful to see character development in Ed even IF it seems forced due to time issue - afterall....it's either this or FMA1. I don't remember seeing much meaningful character developments in FMA1.... |
Aug 17, 2009 8:52 PM
#69
LOL! No. The first part was a response to your post, and then the second one started a new (but I guess a bit random) thought. I don't think Ed was maturing in that scene. His maturing was calling Isumi and dealing with her in the proper way, and then of course, at the end and the talk to Al. Normally he would have just shut him down and taken the burden on his own. I don't think I would have wanted to happen sooner necessarily, but to have so many people compare themselves to him without him take it to heart has been pretty annoying. It is a little biased, but I think I balanced it with pointing out that he is very talented and beyond capable of his job. Ultimately, Ed is a child who forced himself to grow up too fast but wasn't mentally capable of dealing with what that meant even if he could complete the tasks given to him. I disagree though, 20 episodes into a series, the average viewer should be able to describe the main characters, and maybe even some character development. I don't think you need the whole series to say something definite about a character description. Unless it's a mystery based on not knowing said character. I think it's incomplete also, and thus do give leeway, but when someone is acting especially strange or contrary, I either re-evaluate my picture of the character (as I have for Al) or see it as out of character. Sometimes characters acting out of character is in direct relation to development, but in this particular scene it was just weird, because this wasn't development as much as it was almost an allergic reaction of coming to terms with his past...very weird. Yeah...but some of that could be fanboy whining about their favorite parts getting cut.... :D I'll disagree there, there was a lot of development on the part of Ed in the first series. It was all much more understated, and focused on coming of age, but stuff like Ed killing Sloth, trusting Hohenheim, dealing with Hughes' death, and facing Mustang are all indicative of that. FMA did a better job of being about a handful of characters, while Brotherhood seems to be more about plot development. |
Aug 17, 2009 9:13 PM
#70
noteDhero said: I disagree. Generally, Ed is an oversensitive, overcompensating albeit talented kid who likes to cover up for the fact that I think you have been misperceiving a lot of things here. 1. The biggest mistake of Ed is Al, not his mom. So yes, he did run away from the trauma (why Ed was clutching his stomach/vomiting - not the joint pain). But it was also true that he burnt the house for determination. 2. The fact that Ed is mature (he's basically an adult) should be undeniable. In fact, the issue was that he's too mature. 3. Hohenheim didn't 'force' him to deal with his actions. In fact, he basically exculpated him from the guilt of killing his mother. On to the episode, I think digging scene was done well. Of course Ed won't act like himself, the events of that day are the lynchpin to Ed's character. What was forced about the scene, when it basically showed Shakespearean angst? A huge reaction in a traumatic situation, coupled with an important revelation, seems fitting. It was a nice climax, and the denoument was handled quickly but thoroughly (Ling on stairs was a nice touch). |
Aug 17, 2009 9:22 PM
#71
noteDhero said: Okay before I forget, I have to say I laughed really hard at your description of Ed's "allergic reaction of coming to terms with his past" XD LOL...omg XD!!LOL! No. The first part was a response to your post, and then the second one started a new (but I guess a bit random) thought. I don't think Ed was maturing in that scene. His maturing was calling Isumi and dealing with her in the proper way, and then of course, at the end and the talk to Al. Normally he would have just shut him down and taken the burden on his own. I don't think I would have wanted to happen sooner necessarily, but to have so many people compare themselves to him without him take it to heart has been pretty annoying. It is a little biased, but I think I balanced it with pointing out that he is very talented and beyond capable of his job. Ultimately, Ed is a child who forced himself to grow up too fast but wasn't mentally capable of dealing with what that meant even if he could complete the tasks given to him. I disagree though, 20 episodes into a series, the average viewer should be able to describe the main characters, and maybe even some character development. I don't think you need the whole series to say something definite about a character description. Unless it's a mystery based on not knowing said character. I think it's incomplete also, and thus do give leeway, but when someone is acting especially strange or contrary, I either re-evaluate my picture of the character (as I have for Al) or see it as out of character. Sometimes characters acting out of character is in direct relation to development, but in this particular scene it was just weird, because this wasn't development as much as it was almost an allergic reaction of coming to terms with his past...very weird. Yeah...but some of that could be fanboy whining about their favorite parts getting cut.... :D I'll disagree there, there was a lot of development on the part of Ed in the first series. It was all much more understated, and focused on coming of age, but stuff like Ed killing Sloth, trusting Hohenheim, dealing with Hughes' death, and facing Mustang are all indicative of that. FMA did a better job of being about a handful of characters, while Brotherhood seems to be more about plot development. Well I'm not saying he's "maturing" in that one scene, I think it contributes to him maturing...but it's not like it's in action in that particular scene XD. I think I was directing it towards the episode itself. Heeeey~ just because you say he's "very talented and beyond capable of his job" doesn't mean that you aren't being biased ;P!! Yea I know what you mean, 20 episodes should be enough to have an idea of how a character is, but yet again - I still try to have leeway. Tsk tsk, fanboy whining?! :( Hmm as for FMA1, forgive me - I can't really remember much from it. Let's seee..the only things that I think are okay in terms of character development would be dealing with Hughes' death and facing Mustang. I guess killing Sloth is.....sorta...I dunno. I don't remember about him trusting Hohenheim...really?! I think the movie was pretty good in terms of development actually - but he's literally older though, so that's a bit different. Brotherhood I think has a decent balance of plot and character development. I haven't really read the manga so I am purely basing this on just the anime series themselves. At the moment I am seriously enjoying Brotherhood a lot. But then again it's so hard to compare because I watched FMA1 when I was around 15-16 years old? My mentality then and now I believe is different...especially in terms of my taste in anime and my "expectations/requirements". |
Aug 17, 2009 9:31 PM
#72
@fisher_88 I don't like quoting myself, but: noteDhero said: He was sick with nervousness that he could have not transmuted his mother in the first place, and therefore losing Al's body for nothing. That's the mistake that I was referring to. I agreed with what Hohenheim said, that Ed was running away from what he did that night, because then he has to remember how he lost his brother and ruined the image of his mother. It's less so about his mother now that he knows that it wasn't she who he failed to bring back, but Hohenheim asking him if he had even checked that it was her was forcing him to check, and therefore relive those moments that made him outrageously sick in the rain. Eh, I disagree that the angst is Shakespearean. It felt much more melodramatic. Especially because I think that by nature of it being shakespearean there has to be more writing that gives insight to the characters' feelings. Shakespearean characters aren't all that terse unless they have something to hide. It's a fine line, but I just didn't respond to it. @Robbydesu Haha! Yeah, I finally came around and rewatched FMA in order (for the first time in my life) and I finally got a handle on the sequence of everything in that show. While he learned the truth about Dante and everything (especially after the disaster in Lior) he grew to acknowledge and at the very least, trust Hohenheim. It was definitely a strained relationship since he had to explain the love letter, but Ed believed him. Honestly though, I'm enjoying them the same because they're strengths are completely different. Maybe as we get further along I'll enjoy Brotherhood more, but as for right now, they're equals. |
noteDheroAug 17, 2009 9:37 PM
Aug 17, 2009 9:45 PM
#73
About the mistake, my point was that Ed sees everyday what his mistake was. It's not like he can actually forget. noteDhero said: Eh, I disagree that the angst is Shakespearean. It felt much more melodramatic. Especially because I think that by nature of it being shakespearean there has to be more writing that gives insight to the characters' feelings. Shakespearean characters aren't all that terse unless they have something to hide. It's a fine line, but I just didn't respond to it. Please, that scene was nothing compared to his monolgues - that said, my point was that the angst actually reveals something really important (that's why I called it shakespearean), as compared to emo angst. It did not reveal something in Ed's character, but an important plot point (Al's body CAN be brought back). In fact, I really don't see how Ed developed much in this episode - everthing he did after that scene was already portrayed the previous episodes (also Al). What it does though, is allow the story to move forward for the Ed and Al, who have been stuck since learning about Hughes - for all the development since then, they still had doubted if they can actually get their bodies back. |
fisher_88Aug 17, 2009 9:48 PM
Aug 17, 2009 10:06 PM
#74
That's the other thing. There was no real reason to be angsty. Nervous and fearful, yes, but angsty? No. I don't think so. Ed developed in his relation with Al, as I said before. That conversation normally (and almost did) would have gone a different way: with Ed stating that it was his task alone to be dealing with getting his body back, deflecting Al's attempts to take blame and talk about getting Ed's arm and leg back. With Isumi, he was able to bring himself out of his thoughts and tell Isumi about what he learned. Maybe that's also a little development on Isumi's part, but since I'm not all that familiar with her, I don't think it's important to make an assessment there. Also, for the first time in this series, Ed has a plan. He knows what he needs to do to get Al's body back, and that's important, because, as you said, since Hughes' death, that main plot line has been stagnant. The fact that Ed (and Al) aren't hesitating anymore and are setting out to do something with confidence speaks towards a level of development achieved on Ed's part in this episode and Al's in the last episode. This is also indicative of Winry's surprise at Ed's "broad back." Lame I know, but effective nonetheless. |
Aug 17, 2009 10:36 PM
#75
^^ yeah, there is - trauma: angst. Ed's realization needed an bigger reaction. I assumed he laughed because of how basic the revelation was, and the despair/hope thing (it could be others). As for Ed/Al, I felt this was already addressed in the Scar/Barry and even Hughes episodes - in particular, the sharing thing was done in Barry thing already. Isumi was just an extension of their episode with her(re: knowing the truth thing). That Ed and/or Al have been too unto themselves has been a major thread of the anime. Maybe it was a development, but more like a proof of how they have developed rather than anything actually developing. random note: the dog scene was a nice touch. |
fisher_88Aug 17, 2009 10:56 PM
Aug 17, 2009 10:45 PM
#76
Aug 17, 2009 10:50 PM
#77
good episode but i was ready to see the aftermath of Mustang x Hawkeye! i guess that'll be next episode thanks to the preview. i'm glad that Ed now knows for sure he can get back Al's body but now the question is HOW!? i REALLY want to start reading the manga!!! but i think that'll ruin this anime... |
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Aug 18, 2009 12:58 AM
#78
Oh yeah, question - where can I find good subs online? I've seen at least two versions with really different translations. |
Aug 18, 2009 2:47 AM
#79
Aug 18, 2009 8:04 AM
#80
I really didn't like the director. The manga's awesomeness couldn't reflected in the anime. Like the digging scene were much better in the manga and also Ed's explanation to Al is waaay much better in the manga. There were also many scenes that they're cut like the hair joke or when hoenheim said why pinako didn't question anything to him and much more... I hope this would get better... Score : 3/5 |
Aug 18, 2009 8:28 AM
#81
@fisher_88 What dog scene? I use Eclipse...but that's because I prefer .avi. I'm not good at knowing the merits of specific sub groups. |
Aug 18, 2009 10:58 AM
#82
noteDhero said: @fisher_88 What dog scene? I use Eclipse...but that's because I prefer .avi. I'm not good at knowing the merits of specific sub groups. the only dog scene i noticed was when pinako's dog walks into ed's room as hohenheiim asks her about that thing really being their mother |
Aug 18, 2009 11:18 AM
#83
suigetsu00 said: noteDhero said: @fisher_88 What dog scene? I use Eclipse...but that's because I prefer .avi. I'm not good at knowing the merits of specific sub groups. the only dog scene i noticed was when pinako's dog walks into ed's room as hohenheiim asks her about that thing really being their mother ^^ this, only that the dog walked away from hohenheim (scared). this, coupled by the fact that he doesn't age and trisha's promise, plus he looks like the father, means... well it means that he is important to the story. He must be busy, seeing that he only came to warn Pinako, then left rightafter. |
Aug 18, 2009 11:39 AM
#84
fisher_88 said: . this, coupled by the fact that he doesn't age and trisha's promise, plus he looks like the father, means... Was this secret about houenhiem already mentioned in the 20 episodes? Well throughout this episode it did give some clues and hints about this when Aru(i think) was talking about how his body was not complete eternal and the scene switched to Houenhiem all of a sudden. but I dont think it was mentioned.. |
porkypinkAug 18, 2009 11:44 AM
Aug 18, 2009 11:51 AM
#85
Aug 18, 2009 3:16 PM
#86
Aug 18, 2009 3:53 PM
#87
porkypink said: Was this secret about houenhiem already mentioned in the 20 episodes? Well throughout this episode it did give some clues and hints about this when Aru(i think) was talking about how his body was not complete eternal and the scene switched to Houenhiem all of a sudden. but I dont think it was mentioned.. well, I have no idea about the completely eternal thing, but clearly Pinako aged from the picture and Hohenheim didn't (plus she mentioned it). That, and Trisha's promise = Hohenheim doesn't age, at least not normally. I'm not gonna speculate on what he is, because that is asking to be spoiled. Shancakeschan said: Im quite confused.. I guess i didnt catch was was going on. haha. They didnt bring back their mother, but some random guy? And now Ed has more confidience in getting Al's body back? Tsktsk. Im so slow. :( At best, alchemy can only transmute a body, not a person, certainly not a soul. That meant Al's soul in the armor was an actual soul Ed pulled out (from the transmuted body), not a copy or some other thing. Maybe some manga readers can clear up what exactly happened that night. |
Aug 18, 2009 7:31 PM
#88
fisher_88 said: porkypink said: Was this secret about houenhiem already mentioned in the 20 episodes? Well throughout this episode it did give some clues and hints about this when Aru(i think) was talking about how his body was not complete eternal and the scene switched to Houenhiem all of a sudden. but I dont think it was mentioned.. well, I have no idea about the completely eternal thing, but clearly Pinako aged from the picture and Hohenheim didn't (plus she mentioned it). That, and Trisha's promise = Hohenheim doesn't age, at least not normally. I'm not gonna speculate on what he is, because that is asking to be spoiled. just wait til you see his background story lol its epic fisher_88 said: Shancakeschan said: Im quite confused.. I guess i didnt catch was was going on. haha. They didnt bring back their mother, but some random guy? And now Ed has more confidience in getting Al's body back? Tsktsk. Im so slow. :( At best, alchemy can only transmute a body, not a person, certainly not a soul. That meant Al's soul in the armor was an actual soul Ed pulled out (from the transmuted body), not a copy or some other thing. Maybe some manga readers can clear up what exactly happened that night. this should be common sense but.....they cant take something out of the gate that was never there in the first place(example: ed and al's mom and izumi's baby)...as ed said to al in the manga(this got cut out so its not a spoiler) "i was wrong al, that night you were "taken" you didnt "die" so your body can be taken back" |
suigetsu00Aug 18, 2009 7:36 PM
Aug 18, 2009 10:21 PM
#89
That's a bit of a spoiler. How are we supposed to know what is and isn't inside the gate? |
Aug 18, 2009 10:28 PM
#90
noteDhero said: That's a bit of a spoiler. How are we supposed to know what is and isn't inside the gate? ok...it might be a bit of a spoiler...but im pretty sure any one who has been offered as a sacrifice for transmutation is in the gate like al, ed's limbs, and people used to make philosophers stones |
Aug 18, 2009 10:35 PM
#91
Shancakeschan said: this should be common sense but.....they cant take something out of the gate that was never there in the first place(example: ed and al's mom and izumi's baby)...as ed said to al in the manga(this got cut out so its not a spoiler) "i was wrong al, that night you were "taken" you didnt "die" so your body can be taken back" omg I nvr thought about tht !! lol tht is so true. The gate takes body parts from the alchemists who opens it so since those ppl died naturally they cant be in the gate... its not spoilering at all.. Remember people, alchemistry can not create something from nothing. The door of truth is not like Doraemon's handy dandy pocket. |
porkypinkAug 18, 2009 10:43 PM
Aug 18, 2009 10:58 PM
#92
porkypink said: Shancakeschan said: this should be common sense but.....they cant take something out of the gate that was never there in the first place(example: ed and al's mom and izumi's baby)...as ed said to al in the manga(this got cut out so its not a spoiler) "i was wrong al, that night you were "taken" you didnt "die" so your body can be taken back" omg I nvr thought about tht !! lol tht is so true. The gate takes body parts from the alchemists who opens it so since those ppl died naturally they cant be in the gate... its not spoilering at all.. Remember people, alchemistry can not create something from nothing. The door of truth is not like Doraemon's handy dandy pocket. lol thats odd...why's there a different over my quote? lol....but yeah its easy to figure out if you just use your brain a little..no offense :P |
Aug 19, 2009 12:09 AM
#93
i like the episode. :] i feel bad for the elric brothers .. it was not their mother that they transmuted. :[ |
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Aug 19, 2009 9:06 AM
#94
Addam said: So is something lost in translation? I don't understand why Winry would be wondering if Ed's back was always that big as he and Al were walking away. It just seems like an unnecessary and rather confusing comment. I think there are at least two idioms in Japanese: 1) A husband talks to his wife with his back; (i.e. the husband communicates without words) 2) I was always following his back. I don't know if the second one is an accepted figure of speech or if it was just something that made sense in a very specific context. |
http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?cid=12350 Give Toyama Koichi one spiteful, malicious vote! As a half-baked, comedic kind of authority, I don't mind lending a hand in this situation. (Bakemonogatari, Ep. 8) I'm going to go and ignore most of what you've said... - Mawootad |
Aug 19, 2009 10:59 AM
#95
SO GOOD. I'm already preferring this to the first adaptation. And i never thought i would. |
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Aug 20, 2009 10:35 AM
#96
I thought the digging-up-the-thing scene was brilliantly done. Enjoyed seeing more new stuff, and learning more about human transmutation and Al's situation... I don't like Hohenheim but he seems to be notching up the suspension, which is always good. :) And Ed's back is bigger... but he's still short. What is Winry thinking though? Hum. |
Aug 20, 2009 4:31 PM
#97
Aug 20, 2009 7:48 PM
#98
Loved the episode (thought the digging scene was great) but were any other manga readers disappointed in the way they cut down the Al/Winry flashback? The manga there really got into how long the nights felt to Al, now that he no longer sleeps, and how scared and lonely he felt and the terrible thoughts that would creep into his head... Still, solid episode all around. I guess they wanted to keep more of the focus on Ed (and rightly so)... |
Aug 20, 2009 8:01 PM
#99
ArnoldK said: Loved the episode (thought the digging scene was great) but were any other manga readers disappointed in the way they cut down the Al/Winry flashback? The manga there really got into how long the nights felt to Al, now that he no longer sleeps, and how scared and lonely he felt and the terrible thoughts that would creep into his head... I suspected this scene was shortened in the anime, but yeah I agree they should have put it in, it would have made more impact to why Winry was reacting so strongly to Ling. |
Aug 21, 2009 8:03 PM
#100
Wow! The story is getting more and more interesting =) |
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