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jal90 said: I'm honestly shocked with this chapter. I don't know, I wasn't much of a fan overall, since I didn't like the main idea of the story. I guess it's difficult to make a good excuse for Sabo's case, but this is very cheap. But regardless of that, the feeling I had with today's One Piece is that it didn't follow the internal coherence of the story. It simply doesn't fit. It's like we have missed something relevant that linked the previous chapters with this one, which came literally from nowhere. I've even read the theory that this was a fake, coming on Wednesday instead of Thursday and such xD And while not necessarily, it seems at the very least strange... I mean, why does Kyros have two legs? Why is Bellamy in the same room as the Straw Hats, Law and Kyros? Why isn't Rebecca there? And then the excuse of amnesia... it is convenient. Too convenient. Not just due to him being able to remember everything with a single photograph, but also due to how the only thing Sabo could keep in his mind is that he didn't want to return with his family. It's absurd, and it's unnecessary because he had had a conversation with Dragon before that makes the sudden explanation in this chapter redundant. And then the crows... just many things are out of context in this chapter. It's quite weird. Reptilians my good man, reptilians ! They are everywhere ! |
| Remember when Sanji went after Big Mom? Pepperidge Farm remembers |
| Zoro smiling :O That foreshadowing :'(   |
ichii_1Jul 15, 2015 12:37 PM
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| This seems like the calm before the storm scenario have a bad feeling about this |
ichii_1 said: Zoro smiling :O That foreshadowing :'( One of the best things about the chapter. : |
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ToG25thBaam said: Oh ya, there's one moment in this chapter that I really liked as well, and that is to see Dragon pissed off. I got chills. Dragon's off-screen was my favorite... the news from Marinford coming in and everyone screaming about him being Straw Hat's dad, and he's just "Hm? Oh. Yeah." Droll like a bawse. |
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| It was nice to get an explanation about how Sabo was rescued and why he didn't do anything during the war. What a sad way to regain your memories though. And when Dragon got PISSED......holy shit. No chapter next week :/ thats just hyping us even more for whats coming |
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| Ok, great chapter, then why Sabo was not at Marineford and guess we all got a bad feeling with final words from sabo to Luffy'screw, it was to Ace's, le'ts hope they won't shre same fate! As for the Crows, we don't know if they are from Sabo, Dragon, or some other member of the R.A...they could be related with Odin's Crows (Norse Mythology) or something with mithological Zoan!! |
| Being prepared to die doesn't mean shit. The real hard part, is being prepared to live. Midou Ban |
| is it only me that is excited about this part being animated?! like it is already sad enough, but imagine ALL THAT GRIEF being animated with SOUND! Gonna cry my heart out for this. Kind of sad Sabo didn't stay until Luffy woke though ... pretty sure Luffy will be sad-ish. And WTH was Sabo riding on at the last page there?! THAT IS SO AWESOME! If its a Logia DF, that is badass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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NEKO-est said: is it only me that is excited about this part being animated?! like it is already sad enough, but imagine ALL THAT GRIEF being animated with SOUND! Gonna cry my heart out for this. Same here. If there is something can actually do right it's the feels. |
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| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| Cool chapter I guess. |
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| At least we know what exactly happend to Sabo. No OP next week... -.- |
| after the manly tears for sabo !!!! an anger for no chapter next week !!! >.< |
| As I much as I don't care about Sabo and Ace and all their brotherly gist with Luffy (not that is not a good plot point - I'm just indifferent to it), this chapter made me feel for Sabo. Yeah, amnesia is a little cheap way out, but then again answer me seriously: wasn't the whole Sabo's comeback pulled out of nowhere? Not that it excuses its cheapness, it just doesn't annoy me at all. Didn't notice Kyros legs. MAYBE it is a mistake, Oda sometimes makes them (for instance giving Zoro a different sword or not painting Nami's tatoo on right shoulder or at all). I like the fact that they are actually somewhere at outskirts to discuss and rest in peace (... how did this sound...). Rebecca probably stays with Violet and Riku and deals with her royalty issues. Or maybe she just went to bring these guys food and medicines, I can imagine her doing this. ... Or she's at her mother's grave because I'm pretty sure we're gonna touch this before leaving Dressrosa. |
Quampot said: Sabo's amnesia was too predictable Not necessarily predictable. More like it was too simple of a reason to explain his absence. -- "Thank you for staying alive, Luffy." That line hit me a lot. </3 |
jal90 said: I'm honestly shocked with this chapter. I don't know, I wasn't much of a fan overall, since I didn't like the main idea of the story. I guess it's difficult to make a good excuse for Sabo's case, but this is very cheap. Was it REALLY a surprise that Oda, Pell surviving Oda, didn't kill Sabo? Come on now AADMC said: jal90 said: I've even read the theory that this was a fake, coming on Wednesday instead of Thursday and such xD And while not necessarily, it seems at the very least strange... I mean, why does Kyros have two legs? Why is Bellamy in the same room as the Straw Hats, Law and Kyros? Why isn't Rebecca there? And then the excuse of amnesia... it is convenient. Too convenient. Not just due to him being able to remember everything with a single photograph, but also due to how the only thing Sabo could keep in his mind is that he didn't want to return with his family. It's absurd, and it's unnecessary because he had had a conversation with Dragon before that makes the sudden explanation in this chapter redundant. And then the crows... just many things are out of context in this chapter. It's quite weird. Yeah, the crows and Kuros' "2" legs got me thinking that something is not quite right with this chapter too. I don't think that Oda would make such a mistake an forget that Kuros is one legged but maybe he is just teasing us. :P Though the crows don't seem like much of a tease. Maybe he watched too many episodes of Game of Thrones! XD hahahaha Hm, think it's just a small mistake on Oda's part. He makes minor consistency errors often. No biggie. Crows have been seen before, that's true. https://i.imgur.com/uZIFmRt.jpg If this is a fake it's pretty damn good one, I don't see what it's incredibly off about this chapter. Do you mean the conversation with Dragon back at his flashback? I don't see the problem with Oda just being completely direct about what happened, since I can't see what in this chapter contradicts that one? Edit: Re-read 586 and 587, no I don't see how it contradicts what Dragon and him were discussing at all? Do remember his amnesia came before he had the conversation from 586-587. His conversation doesn't really contradict anything from what I can see, he complains about the people of the district and the nobles, the ones who set the fire, to Dragon. This was pre-tiny boat exploding, aka pre-amnesia. It would still be perfectly consistent. Please explain. It makes sense that seeing something I suppose close to him could make him remember past events. All things considered pretty sure this chapter looks to nice to be fake, or a fake scan anyway(there's been fake scans before, but only in a few panels, never a whole chapter IIRC). |
ashfrliebertJul 16, 2015 11:47 AM
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Raven-kun said: I mean, it makes perfect sense... and there's not really much, if any other excuses I would've accepted to make him unable to be there. "I was busy with something more important" wouldn't really cut it.In all seriousness, even though it was a good feels trip, I find Oda to be lazy to pull that "amnesia" shit on us. But then again, no one else couldn't think of a legitimate answer to his absence prior the two years and the war, and that he wasn't able to meet Ace. AADMC said: I highly doubt it's a mistake / fake chapter... to cover each of you guys' points...jal90 said: I've even read the theory that this was a fake, coming on Wednesday instead of Thursday and such xD And while not necessarily, it seems at the very least strange... I mean, why does Kyros have two legs? Why is Bellamy in the same room as the Straw Hats, Law and Kyros? Why isn't Rebecca there? And then the excuse of amnesia... it is convenient. Too convenient. Not just due to him being able to remember everything with a single photograph, but also due to how the only thing Sabo could keep in his mind is that he didn't want to return with his family. It's absurd, and it's unnecessary because he had had a conversation with Dragon before that makes the sudden explanation in this chapter redundant. And then the crows... just many things are out of context in this chapter. It's quite weird. Yeah, the crows and Kuros' "2" legs got me thinking that something is not quite right with this chapter too. I don't think that Oda would make such a mistake an forget that Kuros is one legged but maybe he is just teasing us. :P Though the crows don't seem like much of a tease. Maybe he watched too many episodes of Game of Thrones! XD hahahaha • It didn't actually show what Kyros' leg is... it could easily be some kind of substitute leg given to him by Law or even Mansherry/Leo. • Rebecca is most likely watching over Viola in the castle. I'm sure Kyros would want her under the protection of the castle walls after all that chaos, anyway. • Again I think amnesia is the only reasonable excuse here to not have been there when his brother was on the execution stand. It also makes sense given the circumstances of his apparent death. • Yes he had a conversation with him before, which is why only a fraction of it was shown there... it covered that entire 2-3 chapter incident (as well as parts of the entire flashback) within a couple pages, but we didn't know that he actually saved Sabo there. Of course everyone assumed that he did, and there were theories that this was why Dragon was late there... but it would be strange for him to not clarify for the crew, as even if we knew, the main characters did not. • And the crows, while I'm not certain, I'm thinking they could possibly be from Kanjuro. But whoever it is, it's clearly represented in a way that we're supposed to wonder who it is, just going by Sabo asking them if they can bring them out any time. |
| Let's check a few thing right now : - Speculation for new member, it could be bartholomeo / bellamy / law /no one - Big Mom is somehow forgotten...for now... - Foreshadowing on future's death for Sabo~ - What could Fujitora be doing right now? - And finally BREAK NEXT WEEK! |
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| Nice flash back of Sabo. Why Bellamy is there?? haha I'm curious to the crows. Damn! No One Piece next week. Sigh! What an terrible pacing. I want to see the end of the series before I die, haha :D |
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| Wow, that's a cool find. I didn't even catch that... if it's someone from the Revolutionaries that we've seen, my guess would be the one named Bunny Joe, since he has a feather in his hat. |
Raijin-sama619 said: Nice flash back of Sabo. Why Bellamy is there?? haha I'm curious to the crows. Damn! No One Piece next week. Sigh! What an terrible pacing. I want to see the end of the series before I die, haha :D Well, putting the rest of Dressrosa aside(which certainly had some pacing issues), we can't really judge pacing off release schedule, but more so the chapters in the bigger picture. The Sabo thing(not the fact he's alive, more like the amnesia thing) is kiiinda stretching it, I'd admit, but I still don't think it betrays consistency. |
ashfrliebertJul 17, 2015 11:58 AM
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ashfrliebert said: jal90 said: I'm honestly shocked with this chapter. I don't know, I wasn't much of a fan overall, since I didn't like the main idea of the story. I guess it's difficult to make a good excuse for Sabo's case, but this is very cheap. Was it REALLY a surprise that Oda, Pell surviving Oda, didn't kill Sabo? Come on now ¿? No, I'm not talking about his death and survival, I am talking about the instance of being alive for twelve years and Luffy and apparently Ace not knowing anything about that. There were various possible excuses for this matter, using his position in the Revolutionary Army for instance (being secretive about his identity and organization, setting priorities...), but Oda went for the cheap amnesia source. Cheap, because of how convenient it is that he remembers everything after watching a still of Ace (which probably wasn't even the first he watched because Ace was an infamous pirate that appeared in the news quite often), and because of how he only remembers that he hates his family. I dunno, it doesn't feel like a well-thought out chapter at all, not just for the main idea but also when it comes to specifics. ashfrliebert said: AADMC said: Yeah, the crows and Kuros' "2" legs got me thinking that something is not quite right with this chapter too. I don't think that Oda would make such a mistake an forget that Kuros is one legged but maybe he is just teasing us. :P Though the crows don't seem like much of a tease. Maybe he watched too many episodes of Game of Thrones! XD hahahaha Hm, think it's just a small mistake on Oda's part. He makes minor consistency errors often. No biggie. Oh, I guess. Then again, it's just that this chapter feels like something that needed a transition to put in context. Remember that the previous one ended with Fujitora cliffhangering over the Straw Hats, and this one starts with Sabo saying goodbye and leaving. It's like we've gone from A to C and Oda missed point B. The fact Kyros was shown with two legs, while maybe just a mistake, only helped to reinforce this feeling. And also the presence of Bellamy, which requires some contextualization since he was considered an enemy by anybody except Luffy. Talking? ashfrliebert said: If this is a fake it's pretty damn good one, I don't see what it's incredibly off about this chapter. Do you mean the conversation with Dragon back at his flashback? I don't see the problem with Oda just being completely direct about what happened, since I can't see what in this chapter contradicts that one? The problem is that this sudden convoluted effect of selective memory -being able to remember that he hates his family- wasn't that necessary because Sabo had talked with Dragon before, and Dragon knew about his feelings regarding his family and noble lineage. Nothing in this chapter contradicts those ones, actually the issue here is that they are redundant. ashfrliebert said: It makes sense that seeing something I suppose close to him could make him remember past events. All things considered pretty sure this chapter looks to nice to be fake, or a fake scan anyway(there's been fake scans before, but only in a few panels, never a whole chapter IIRC). I didn't support that theory, I only said that it looks strangely paced in the current timeline of the arc, and that it didn't care to properly put details in context. I guess I was nitpicking with some of these instances (Rebecca's) though. |
jal90 said: ashfrliebert said: Was it REALLY a surprise that Oda, Pell surviving Oda, didn't kill Sabo? Come on now ¿ No, I'm not talking about his death and survival, I am talking about the instance of being alive for twelve years and Luffy and apparently Ace not knowing anything about that. There were various possible excuses for this matter, using his position in the Revolutionary Army for instance (being secretive about his identity and organization, setting priorities...), but Oda went for the cheap amnesia source. My question is(but wasn't) why "would" they know about? Why 'would' they have met Sabo? It's not like they particularly left together(pre-flashback), and I don't think there's confirmation that Sabo was as apparently popular( fodder in dressrosa pointed out who he was IIRC) two years ago. Though this is 'assuming' Sabo got somehow well known in the two-year period before the second half. But that's because I'm trying to figure out 'why' they would've met, it is convenient to the story that they haven't ran into eachother, but I'd say it's not distractingly so. And also the presence of Bellamy, which requires some contextualization since he was considered an enemy by anybody except Luffy. And, I mean, Luffy 'is' the one in the cabin. And his crew, but looking back, they haven't really been known to question his unusual decisions. And at the moment, Kyros doesn't seem to be very active. Talking? No, but it seems odd to question it as if it was unusual, animals just so happen to talk all the time in this manga. The explanation sorta writes itself, wouldn't you say? We have no idea how the crow is talking quite exactly, but it doesn't seem inconsistent, and it doesn't really seem out of place for this manga. These unusual things have for the most part usually been explained, and I figure it will be in due time. The revolutionaries aren't really super-relevant at the moment. granted it came off as sorta-out of the blue in the panel, but this is a Sabo-related chapter, and it seems to be related to the revolutionaries so it's not too odd. The problem is that this sudden convoluted effect of selective memory -being able to remember that he hates his family- wasn't that necessary because Sabo had talked with Dragon before, and Dragon knew about his feelings regarding his family and noble lineage. Nothing in this chapter contradicts those ones, actually the issue here is that they are redundant. It does enforce that he can apparently remember things he really cares about though, and before this chapter we..didn't really know he had(brief) amnesia. I think the point was less of it backtracking itself, and more of it adding on to something we already know. ashfrliebert said: It makes sense that seeing something I suppose close to him could make him remember past events. All things considered pretty sure this chapter looks to nice to be fake, or a fake scan anyway(there's been fake scans before, but only in a few panels, never a whole chapter IIRC). I agree that the transition is sudden. |
ashfrliebertJul 17, 2015 6:54 PM
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| http://jisho.org/search/sakazuki Sakazuki name also took place in making Sabo remember |
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| Yeah... this chapter did not impress me, I guess it fits why Sabo wasn't able to go to Marineford... still idk a bit of letdown, whatever. |
M0nkeyD_Luffy said: Good find. riqueterremoto also mentioned this above. That was neat. ):https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/3dogo4/something_i_think_people_are_missing_from_the/ Goda. Edit: Japanese is such a beautiful language. |
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ToG25thBaam said: M0nkeyD_Luffy said: Good find. riqueterremoto also mentioned this above. That was neat. ):https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/3dogo4/something_i_think_people_are_missing_from_the/ Goda. Edit: Japanese is such a beautiful language. This would have been cool "Goda" moment, if not for the one little detail that ruins the whole theory http://img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/51/2860/09.png The page says says "Akainu" killed Ace, not "Sakazuki". So his name couldn't have been a part of Sabo regaining his memories. PS. Reddit is full of idiots, don't go there. |
SuperRed said: ToG25thBaam said: Good find. riqueterremoto also mentioned this above. That was neat. ): Edit: Japanese is such a beautiful language. This would have been cool "Goda" moment, if not for the one little detail that ruins the whole theory http://img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/51/2860/09.png The page says says Akainu killed Ace, not Sakazuki. So his name couldn't have been a part of Sabo regaining his memories. PS. Reddit is full of idiots, don't go there. Except that it IS a cool "Goda" moment (understatement of the year) because that's a different English translation. The actual Japanese kanji reads Sakazuki. Nice try though. If you still don't believe it then why did Oda choose the Sake Cups flashback at the exact panel where "Akainu's" name is mentioned? If you say coincidence, you automatically lose. |
M0nkeyD_Luffy said: SuperRed said: This would have been cool "Goda" moment, if not for the one little detail that ruins the whole theory http://img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/51/2860/09.png The page says says Akainu killed Ace, not Sakazuki. So his name couldn't have been a part of Sabo regaining his memories. PS. Reddit is full of idiots, don't go there. Except that it IS a cool "Goda" moment (understatement of the year) because that's a different English translation. The actual Japanese kanji reads Sakazuki. Nice try though. If you still don't believe it then why did Oda choose the Sake Cups flashback at the exact panel where "Akainu's" name is mentioned? If you say coincidence, you automatically lose. |
| You do realise Akainu is just his nickname, right? This is the exact kind of word-play Oda used in the God Usopp scene except much more subtle. And nice job ignoring my question in the previous post, you found a Japanese copy tho so well done. Still didn't prove anything. |
| It's doesn't matter whether it use the word 'Akainu' or 'Sakazuki' in the chapter. The fact that we know is Sabo got his memory back when he read that Akainu is the one that killed Ace. And according to my imagination: (In Sabo head) : "Akainu killed this guy?" (In Sabo head) : "IIRC Akainu is Admiral Sakazuki, right?" (In Sabo Head) : "Sakazuki?" (In Sabo Head) : *start remembering the sake cups scene* and then his memory return. It's like when some mention "Luffy" what crosses our mind would be the word "Straw Hat" and when someone mention "Straw Hat" the word "Luffy" is the one that would crossed our mind, that's how nicknames works. |
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| I ignored your question because it obviously doesn't need an explanation from me, Sabo's memories of Ace were coming back a full page before Akainu's name was said in the next page, Akainu had nothing to do with it. No shit I know it's his nickname, the theory that you posted says that finding about Ace's death+Sakazuki's name meaning the same as something they did in the past is what triggered those memories, which doesn't make sense because no page in the flashback mentions Sakazuki's real name. Unless your implying that Sabo was thinking along the lines of "Akainu...his real name is Sakazuki...Sake cups...brothers oath", which is ok as speculation, but it's just that, there is no proof from the text. |
SuperRed said: I don't know really Thanks for your honesty. My advice: stick to playing Persona 4 before you chat about things you "don't really know" about. And to the speck of dust that posted before me; I'm glad that you have even a shred of sentimental solicitude towards me because I do not in any shape or form envy you. Have a good day hating on people... |
M0nkeyD_LuffyJul 18, 2015 1:54 PM
| A lot of reveals in this chapter. Sabo's ravens are pretty cool. It was really sad towards the end. |
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WK-Heisenberg said: What a funny criterion to decide whether to censure or not in this forum. Even funnier that you ignored my question earlier. So I'm guessing you agree with me now that this chapter was pure genius right? Seeing how you made no effort to make a rebuttal... |
M0nkeyD_Luffy said: WK-Heisenberg said: What a funny criterion to decide whether to censure or not in this forum. Even funnier that you ignored my question earlier. So I'm guessing you agree with me now that this chapter was pure genius right? Seeing how you made no effort to make a rebuttal... Question how is this chapter pure genius? |
SuperRed said: ToG25thBaam said: Good find. riqueterremoto also mentioned this above. That was neat. ): Edit: Japanese is such a beautiful language. This would have been cool "Goda" moment, if not for the one little detail that ruins the whole theory http://img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/51/2860/09.png The page says says "Akainu" killed Ace, not "Sakazuki". So his name couldn't have been a part of Sabo regaining his memories. PS. Reddit is full of idiots, don't go there. that, and even if it is intentional it's just a cool little play on words and nothing more, save the "Goda-ism" for when the man gives us an actual mindfuck again |
Kaimon said: @SuperRedSuperRed said: This would have been cool "Goda" moment, if not for the one little detail that ruins the whole theory http://img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/51/2860/09.png The page says says "Akainu" killed Ace, not "Sakazuki". So his name couldn't have been a part of Sabo regaining his memories. PS. Reddit is full of idiots, don't go there. that, and even if it is intentional it's just a cool little play on words and nothing more, save the "Goda-ism" for when the man gives us an actual mindfuck again I see, that's a shame but it was cool while it lasted. @Kaimon Definitely. People are just exaggerating when they say Goda. I can see how it annoys some people though. Oda is just another human, he makes mistakes, and I love his manga for that, for all the good points and bad points. though haters like to bash on him whenever he make a mistake |
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metsujin said: Question how is this chapter pure genius? Because it was planned 397 chapters early and put a new twist in the whole 'Amnesia Plot-Device'. |
Kaimon said: that, and even if it is intentional it's just a cool little play on words and nothing more Nothing more than another major contributing factor to regaining Sabo's memories... |
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