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htsuji said: To whom dealing with the topic of Kyonai and what is/isn't yuri, I'm sorry to interrupt your discussion, but, you can see the title of this place: Hibike! Euphonium Episode 11 Discussion, so I have to say, please you should choose somewhere more suitable discussion room to deal with the matters than her. This episode uses interest expression techniques to indirectly give the audience something interesting facts and emotions, but currently, the current atmosphere of the board make us feel reluctant to say something about this very episode... I have a feeling that the current state is not a good usage of this place. At least, I don't care the name of the anime studio when I enjoy this episode and I don't think it can be an important factor to interpret this anime. Up until my second to last post, we were talking about a scene in this episode. The discussion belonged here as much as it belonged to the "Shoujo-ai or not?" thread. Plenty of people discussed other aspects of the episode, but since it aired 2 days ago, the thread is already dying down. I don't feel like I'm limiting anyone's freedom of speech by expressing my opinion on what I cared about in this particular episode, or by bringing up the studio that's making it. If you want to discuss what you cared about, feel free to do so. |
Lollo36Jun 18, 2015 8:46 AM
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Lollo36 said: What does MAL even know about the series before it even finishes airing? They can only base it on the source material. MAL tags aren't trustworthy anyways. Coz, adaptations and sources are usually of the doesn't change during the adaptation. They can change some, but the genre is the same. Well, MAL tags aren't untrustworthy either. So, this is a fact, while the other 2 confessions are open to interpretation. *facepalm. You're questioning a legitimate confession..... and no doubts on something that can be interpreted in many ways.... please let's not make it appear that she loves both and is a bi and two timer.... How many times does Kumiko have to say that she doesn't like him before she gets her point across? Is this a fact or is it open to interpretation? Ask Hazuki... she knows it after she got rejected. And I saw hints that Kumiko is affected by that. Before and after the date. Points 1 and 4 have nothing to do with the actual content of the show. Points 2 and 3 are facts only because they support your point, while the scenes that go against it are open to interpretation. Point 1 and 4 maybe but they can't always be wrong. You know the history of the studio, and tag aren't always wrong either. Do you already know what happens in the source material? It seems like it may be the most obvious source of all this confidence on your part. Saa, but I seen many of this kind of bait and most of it them are truly bait. |
RPSB9Jun 18, 2015 1:04 PM
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| WARNING: My humble opinion is an analysis of the theme of this show and may contain spoilers. Apologies to those who already made some of these points, I'm too lazy to quote, call me a lazy scrub. As I set up for more of my episode 11 impressions with a look at Kuniko. Back in the earliest episodes Kuniko wanted a new start. Started wearing a pony tail, sister knocked it, Kuniko pulls it out. She has no intention of joining a bad band. Gets pulled into it anyway. Decides she wants to try a different instrument, nope, gets roped into playing the euphonium again. Kuniko is easily distracted, easy swayed. Kuniko has a terrible personality: she is easily manipulated. Now to this episode, immediately before the trumpet audition, Kuniko and Reina meet in side hall for the infamous conversation. Reina asks Kuniko if Kuniko would be hurt if Reina loses. Might lose? No, Kuniko reminds Reia she is something special. Kuniko has bought into Reina's dream; apart and different from the others. Then we see visual imagery. Reina is in white dress during episode 8's festival. Remember that Kuniko makes a metaphorical comparison between Reina and a Yuki Onna; a beautiful demon that lures people away to their deaths? Embrace this thought. Kuniko tells Reina to be strong, while Reina strikes a demure pose. Renia looks sensitive, troubled, vulnerable, . . . . . alluring? (root word, to lure) Reina will be villain if she wins. Kuniko declares to be a villain with her. Really, Kuniko? To the exemption of all others? Does Kuniko know what she's saying? When Renia presses Kuniko's commitment, Kuniko says, “probably”. Reina says Kuniko has a terrible personality. The lure leads directly to manipulation. Reina steps up and press Kuniko on her commitment again. The rest is in the context of Reina alienating the band, and by association, alienating Kuniko's friends. Reina, places a hand on Kuniko's face, charmingly asks for commitment, and Kuniko agrees to the death. The Yuki Onna has lured and ensnared her victim. The Yuki Onne kills the victim symbolically, and Reina may kill Kuniko's other friendships, literally. Completing the metaphor. It appears Reina pranced away, turns declarers she had no intention of losing, and with that said, there was never even the remotest chance Reina would lose. The vulnerable pose was just a ruse; a lure for Kuniko. The declaration was so flippant as to be what lead me to this analysis. Kuniko is left memorized by Reina. That was the look of someone hypnotized. All that's missing is a flake of drool at the corner of Kunio's lip. I'm not saying Reina is a literal demon. I'm saying she is like a Yuki Onna, metaphorically. And she going to be a top tier anti-villain. Reina is a solitary person. She avoids a large number of superficial friends for that one very close friend. ( Ep 8 19'30”) And, her dedication to trumpet skills, above all else, makes her unapproachable. I like this forum. All the Reina lovers are telling everyone else to straighten up and play right. All us scrubs are say we play and write how we want. A small group is trying to keep the peace, some others clowning around, and still others don't give a shite. *sigh* I'm back in band class. *tear* [Edit: for spelling errors and word confusion] |
MelatoninJun 18, 2015 2:24 PM
Scarm said: This is an interesting way to look at things. Reina seemed really flustered after talking to Yuuko in this episode, so I thought she was sincerely in doubt about the audition, but that line at the end of the "confession" scene might be more important than being just a way for her to show off in front of Kumiko. I happen to find Reina just as fascinating as Kumiko does, but I won't deny that she's not the most well-intentioned person ever. |
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 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Imeon said: Lollo36 said: What does MAL even know about the series before it even finishes airing? They can only base it on the source material. MAL tags aren't trustworthy anyways. Coz, adaptations and sources are usually of the doesn't change during the adaptation. They can change some, but the genre is the same. Well, MAL tags aren't untrustworthy either. So, this is a fact, while the other 2 confessions are open to interpretation. *facepalm. You're questioning a legitimate confession..... and no doubts on something that can be interpreted in many ways.... please let's not make it appear that she loves both and is a bi and two timer.... How many times does Kumiko have to say that she doesn't like him before she gets her point across? Is this a fact or is it open to interpretation? Ask Hazuki... she knows it after she got rejected. And I saw hints that Kumiko is affected by that. Before and after the date. Points 1 and 4 have nothing to do with the actual content of the show. Points 2 and 3 are facts only because they support your point, while the scenes that go against it are open to interpretation. Point 1 and 4 maybe but they can't always be wrong. You know the history of the studio, and tag aren't always wrong either. Do you already know what happens in the source material? It seems like it may be the most obvious source of all this confidence on your part. Saa, but I seen many of this kind of bait and most of it them are truly bait. You are truly a negative person. Half of those "points" are just your opinion and one of them only exists if you negate the existence of Reina's confession to Kumiko in ep 8 and now the returning sentence in this ep now. So how does one count and the others don't? Because you say so? OK. Thanks for that. And yeah, we'll definitely ask Hazuki. That's how I'll know for sure. -eyeroll- |
| wtf was that? The bitch in the bow forces the auditions to be redone because she claimed the director was playing favorite. Then the bitch in the bow has the audacity to ask Kousaka to throw her second audition. and wtf was that? The vote was 2-2 and Taki asks Kaori to do the solo without having a majority. bitch says no. |
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| So it's decided that there will be only 13 ep. Too bad. I loved this series. But I see for me that it will go to a end after this ep. I were really suprized when I saw this:  I thought for a moment Kaori-senpai were the winner, but I am glad it were Reina-chan. She were really a better trompetist. Fair and square she deserved the solo place at the finale, though it were a bit sad that Kaori-senpai lost. But I thought it were nice that Kaori-senpai didn't want to play solo and left that role to Reina-chan because she were better. Very good ep. Only two ep. left. :( I thought this would be 24 ep, but unfortunately it won't last that long. :( And I am glad that loli girl that admired Kaori-senpai so much finally understood what a defeat is. LOL, even crying in the end when Kaori-senpai gave up her solo play. I mean there is a limit between admiring something and worshiping them. Sometimes you have to see the reality. You can't always get what you want, Yuuko!! -.- All this unnecessary drama makes the series pretty interesting. I think it will be one of the best series of this season. :) |
mangalicker94Jun 18, 2015 8:05 PM
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Lollo36 said: .. snip .. Reina seemed really flustered after talking to Yuuko in this episode, so I thought she was sincerely in doubt about the audition, .. snip .. I happen to find Reina just as fascinating as Kumiko does, but I won't deny that she's not the most well-intentioned person ever. Agreed. All the clues I see are ambiguous. This is what make the story so fascinating. This is what makes a complex story so fun to watch and debate. Reina * is * fascinating, and that's what make her dangerously alluring. Reina could be frustrated with Yuko, she could also the genuinely hurt by the bands hate, she could actually worried about Kuniko impression, or faking it. A manipulator is only good if the ruse is believable. It's all smoke so the author can see how long the true conflict can be hidden. All this other crap going on, like Yuko's behavior makes Reina look good. And Reina will remain under the radar until some critical point. Then looking back, all the clues will be there. Or, maybe I'm wrong and lost in my own delusion. jimjimex said: Whoa, what darkness. In your way of thinking, every romantic love relationship can also be seen as mutual manipulation. Heck, every human interaction / communication can be seen as manipulative. .. snip .. Romantic love specifically defines that each has desire to improve and protect the other. Each is honest and completely dedicates own resources for the others benefit. Manipulation is one way. The manipulator seeks to receive resources from the other and will do harm the other to get those resources. The other is left the lesser for it. ****** The story is hiding this core conflict behind so much other noise. The president is incompetent; the v.p. is a clown that doesn't care; Kaori falls on her own sword of honor; Yuko is making such a pathetic scene I want to wrap her up in a blanket and feed her milk and cookies. Top tier players in the band get the best parts as a rule, and people get their feeling hurt. They could give Reina the part and wreck the band's morale, or they could give Kaori the part and risk not being the best band at competition. It's the proverbial: Let jump out or the frying pan before we fry to death, only to land in the fire and burn to death. There was no good, workable answer. But I'm formulating reasons to refute this, it was a false choice. Where do we find out if there is a second season. It will take at least another season to cover all the conflicts I see. |
| This is the first time I've seen someone complain about anime characters acting like real people. |
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DarcyD said: Imeon said: Coz, adaptations and sources are usually of the doesn't change during the adaptation. They can change some, but the genre is the same. Well, MAL tags aren't untrustworthy either. *facepalm. You're questioning a legitimate confession..... and no doubts on something that can be interpreted in many ways.... please let's not make it appear that she loves both and is a bi and two timer.... Ask Hazuki... she knows it after she got rejected. And I saw hints that Kumiko is affected by that. Before and after the date. Point 1 and 4 maybe but they can't always be wrong. You know the history of the studio, and tag aren't always wrong either. Saa, but I seen many of this kind of bait and most of it them are truly bait. You are truly a negative person. Half of those "points" are just your opinion and one of them only exists if you negate the existence of Reina's confession to Kumiko in ep 8 and now the returning sentence in this ep now. So how does one count and the others don't? Because you say so? OK. Thanks for that. And yeah, we'll definitely ask Hazuki. That's how I'll know for sure. -eyeroll- Funny, yours are pure speculation. Reina's confession in episode 10 is the only legitimate, clear, specific, not subtext, not speculative confession currently. I'm not being negative, I'm just being realistic. I say, being way TOOOOOOOOO optimistic will not do you good. |
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Imeon said: Funny, yours are pure speculation. Reina's confession in episode 10 is the only legitimate, clear, specific, not subtext, not speculative confession currently. I'm not being negative, I'm just being realistic. I say, being way TOOOOOOOOO optimistic will not do you good. For the third (and hopefully last) time: Reina being in love with sensei doesn't necessarily stop Kumiko from being in love with Reina. It doesn't prove that everything will be hetero. Look at all this friendship: Imeon said: Lollo36 said: What does MAL even know about the series before it even finishes airing? They can only base it on the source material. MAL tags aren't trustworthy anyways. Coz, adaptations and sources are usually of the doesn't change during the adaptation. They can change some, but the genre is the same. Well, MAL tags aren't untrustworthy either. Off the top of my head, a list of anime that significantly deviate from the source material: FMA, Soul Eater, Gankutsuou, Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Trigun, Magi (I might be wrong)... Not to mention the ridiculous amount of series that have to pull off an anime-original ending because of the lack of runtime (= Hibike). Also, check out the other thread in regards to changes made to the anime version. Switching who loves who is hardly "changing genre". Blame this medium for building genres out of fetishes. |
Lollo36Jun 19, 2015 4:13 AM
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| Great episode, I so happy that Reina won again. I can't handle the ribbon girl, this girl is so egoist. The part Kumiko x Reina was beautiful, please Kyoani stop teasing us TvT. |
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| Seriously though, how many straight women get THIS close to each other when they're talking? Straight couples in the typical romance anime don't even get this close. (just an image) And the line "this is a confession of love, after all" comes immediately after Kumiko says that she's prepared to die for Reina. This is super gay, which is great, but if this all turns out to be "yuribait", I'm going to be kind of annoyed. Good episode overall. Yuuko the ribbon girl is an asshole, and I'm glad this arc with her is over. 4/5 |
LogiRogi said: Man, all these cancerous posts liking special snowflake worst girl and yuri bait instead of being able to show human empathy. Sasuga Kyoani fan base. All these people liking things I don't like, waa waa, I'm the only one with good taste. Sorry who was the special snowflake again? |
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LogiRogi said: niwasatou said: All these people liking things I don't like, waa waa, I'm the only one with good taste. Sorry who was the special snowflake again? Because I hate character flaws that makes me a "special snowflake"? Know your terms, dingus. Also who uses onomatopoeia as an insult besides a five year old? I'm clearly not the only one capable of having good taste as otherwise I wouldn't be so disappointed and disgusted by some of these posts. Reina is a horribly obnoxious character who is willing to crush others' dreams without thinking of the consequences all because she legitimately thinks she is the best of the best. That's some Ayn Rand-tier egotism, right there. She deserves to get smacked back to reality where the rest of the world learns to coexist with one another rather than get the best through nepotism, talent, and soulless determination. I know she's an edgy teenager and all, but honestly. She should definitely try and talk to others with differing opinions. Having only lackeys will not help her grow as a person. It's funny how this conflict is in a moral grey area, but you respond to people who glorify Reina and shit on Yuuko only by presenting an equally exaggerated argument, and ignoring the fact that Reina does in fact practice more than anyone else, and that by delivering the best performance possible, she will help the band accomplish what they've been working hard for. |
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LogiRogi said: Because I hate character flaws that makes me a "special snowflake"? Know your terms, dingus. Also who uses onomatopoeia as an insult besides a five year old? I'm clearly not the only one capable of having good taste as otherwise I wouldn't be so disappointed and disgusted by some of these posts. Reina is a horribly obnoxious character who is willing to crush others' dreams without thinking of the consequences all because she legitimately thinks she is the best of the best. That's some Ayn Rand-tier egotism, right there. She deserves to get smacked back to reality where the rest of the world learns to coexist with one another rather than get the best through nepotism, talent, and soulless determination. I know she's an edgy teenager and all, but honestly. She should definitely try and talk to others with differing opinions. Having only lackeys will not help her grow as a person. I get where you're coming from, certainly, she left that kind of impression last episode but we do see her start to grow out of this mindset of hers. She realizes after talking to Yuuko and Kaori that her initial, derogatory impression of the two was wrong. She starts to sympathize with Kaori as well, which is why she talks to Kumiko before the audition. @Lollo36 Not to start shit, but, he does actually acknowledge Reina's talent and effort, he's commenting on the morality of Reina's actions. |
MelonMilk said: LogiRogi said: Because I hate character flaws that makes me a "special snowflake"? Know your terms, dingus. Also who uses onomatopoeia as an insult besides a five year old? I'm clearly not the only one capable of having good taste as otherwise I wouldn't be so disappointed and disgusted by some of these posts. Reina is a horribly obnoxious character who is willing to crush others' dreams without thinking of the consequences all because she legitimately thinks she is the best of the best. That's some Ayn Rand-tier egotism, right there. She deserves to get smacked back to reality where the rest of the world learns to coexist with one another rather than get the best through nepotism, talent, and soulless determination. I know she's an edgy teenager and all, but honestly. She should definitely try and talk to others with differing opinions. Having only lackeys will not help her grow as a person. I get where you're coming from, certainly, she left that kind of impression last episode but we do see her start to grow out of this mindset of hers. She realizes after talking to Yuuko and Kaori that her initial, derogatory impression of the two was wrong. She starts to sympathize with Kaori as well, which is why she talks to Kumiko before the audition. @Lollo36 Not to start shit, but, he does actually acknowledge Reina's talent and effort, he's commenting on the morality of Reina's actions. There's nothing wrong with her morality. |
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| Amazing episode, I keep getting surprised by this show. I was a little annoyed by ribbon at first, but I can understand wheres shes coming from. She definitely went about it the wrong way, but I think being able to re-audition for the solo part helped Kaori in the end. She knows she tried her best, and was able to come to terms with her own musical abilities. Kaori is a fucking champ by the way, even if she didn't win. I love this cast so much. |
Scarm said: WARNING: My humble opinion is an analysis of the theme of this show and may contain spoilers. Apologies to those who already made some of these points, I'm too lazy to quote, call me a lazy scrub. As I set up for more of my episode 11 impressions with a look at Kuniko. Back in the earliest episodes Kuniko wanted a new start. Started wearing a pony tail, sister knocked it, Kuniko pulls it out. She has no intention of joining a bad band. Gets pulled into it anyway. Decides she wants to try a different instrument, nope, gets roped into playing the euphonium again. Kuniko is easily distracted, easy swayed. Kuniko has a terrible personality: she is easily manipulated. Now to this episode, immediately before the trumpet audition, Kuniko and Reina meet in side hall for the infamous conversation. Reina asks Kuniko if Kuniko would be hurt if Reina loses. Might lose? No, Kuniko reminds Reia she is something special. Kuniko has bought into Reina's dream; apart and different from the others. Then we see visual imagery. Reina is in white dress during episode 8's festival. Remember that Kuniko makes a metaphorical comparison between Reina and a Yuki Onna; a beautiful demon that lures people away to their deaths? Embrace this thought. Kuniko tells Reina to be strong, while Reina strikes a demure pose. Renia looks sensitive, troubled, vulnerable, . . . . . alluring? (root word, to lure) Reina will be villain if she wins. Kuniko declares to be a villain with her. Really, Kuniko? To the exemption of all others? Does Kuniko know what she's saying? When Renia presses Kuniko's commitment, Kuniko says, “probably”. Reina says Kuniko has a terrible personality. The lure leads directly to manipulation. Reina steps up and press Kuniko on her commitment again. The rest is in the context of Reina alienating the band, and by association, alienating Kuniko's friends. Reina, places a hand on Kuniko's face, charmingly asks for commitment, and Kuniko agrees to the death. The Yuki Onna has lured and ensnared her victim. The Yuki Onne kills the victim symbolically, and Reina may kill Kuniko's other friendships, literally. Completing the metaphor. It appears Reina pranced away, turns declarers she had no intention of losing, and with that said, there was never even the remotest chance Reina would lose. The vulnerable pose was just a ruse; a lure for Kuniko. The declaration was so flippant as to be what lead me to this analysis. Kuniko is left memorized by Reina. That was the look of someone hypnotized. All that's missing is a flake of drool at the corner of Kunio's lip. I'm not saying Reina is a literal demon. I'm saying she is like a Yuki Onna, metaphorically. And she going to be a top tier anti-villain. Reina is a solitary person. She avoids a large number of superficial friends for that one very close friend. ( Ep 8 19'30”) And, her dedication to trumpet skills, above all else, makes her unapproachable. I like this forum. All the Reina lovers are telling everyone else to straighten up and play right. All us scrubs are say we play and write how we want. A small group is trying to keep the peace, some others clowning around, and still others don't give a shite. *sigh* I'm back in band class. *tear* [Edit: for spelling errors and word confusion] I love this interpretation. There really is something about Reina that is alluring. You don't really know what shes thinking but in the end there's this memorizing feeling that leads you believe there's more to it than what is shown, especially when it comes to her and Kumiko. |
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| This is such a good show, and probably one of the few shows that reflect my own experiences of female friendships, but the yuri baiting is getting on my nerves. The direction is deliberately sexually intensifying scenes, giving a different impression than what the "text" is saying, so to speak. You can declare love and loyalty for a friend and have it not be sexual, but srsly. Visual direction says lesbians. Stop teasing, KyoAni; it's dishonest. Stop poisoning the wonderfylly genuine atmosphere we got going on here. Either one (or both) are bi/lesbian and falling in love or they're comrades in arms, sisters in all but name. Make up your freaking mind. |
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currycurry said: This is such a good show, and probably one of the few shows that reflect my own experiences of female friendships, but the yuri baiting is getting on my nerves. The direction is deliberately sexually intensifying scenes, giving a different impression than what the "text" is saying, so to speak. You can declare love and loyalty for a friend and have it not be sexual, but srsly. Visual direction says lesbians. Stop teasing, KyoAni; it's dishonest. Stop poisoning the wonderfylly genuine atmosphere we got going on here. Either one (or both) are bi/lesbian and falling in love or they're comrades in arms, sisters in all but name. Make up your freaking mind. Then you basically have an anime where no one bothered discussing the story even though it was quite fantastic from episode 2 onwards. Check the first couple of episodes. And then check the episodes after Kumiko and Reina had a first real conversation while returning from school. Half the fans here are for the yuri, be it a bait or not. Half the fans are here for the rest that includes: a genuine kyoani fan, a fan of music band, a fan of music in general, a fan of school drama or a those who watch 30 ongoing anime a season. |
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| I'm stuck on something. Is this band good enough to win at regional tournament? You heard Shuichi play. It was weak. It's one thing to not have your part down, but I say his tone was weak. Shuichi is a member going with the band to tournament. Also, Reina is an excellent player. She knows she sounds awesome. She should know what a good trumpet player sounds like. She's complemented Kaori's skills as well. But, she said Yuuko can barely play the instrument. Yes, there's conflict there, but respect Reina's analysis. Yuuko plays badly. Barely play the instrument is bad. Yuuko is also a member going to tournament in the group. Last year, all the dedicated first year players walked out, leaving people who did not practice. These people are now second years, who only now are taking this seriously. I propose the second years aren't that good either. Of the third years, Asuka and Kaori are the only characters that others have admired for dedication to practice. But let's accept the third years a decent players. Yea, Sapphire has practiced to the point of personal injury, but she, Reina and Kaori are the exception to the norm. O.K. fine, Asuka is good too. But the rest of these people are just average. Last years fiasco sucked out the experience level. IMHO, the band cannot have the depth necessary to be a good band. I'm thinking, they'll be lucky to get gold, maybe silver. But, win tournament is highly unlikely. Articulate feed back please. |
Scarm said: I'm thinking, they'll be lucky to get gold, maybe silver. But, win tournament is highly unlikely. Articulate feed back please. Nah. The rest are actually pretty decent. Remember how Taki-sensei was able to single out Shuuichi from trombone and before that Aoi-chan from sax. I think with Taki-sensei, silver would have been easily gettable. We have already seen the group as a whole did pretty good in the band parade in an earlier episode and I think the crowd's acknowledgement indicated that they had some potential. That was already an indication of improvement under Taki-sensei. |
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shanimebib said: ? currycurry said: This is such a good show, and probably one of the few shows that reflect my own experiences of female friendships, but the yuri baiting is getting on my nerves. The direction is deliberately sexually intensifying scenes, giving a different impression than what the "text" is saying, so to speak. You can declare love and loyalty for a friend and have it not be sexual, but srsly. Visual direction says lesbians. Stop teasing, KyoAni; it's dishonest. Stop poisoning the wonderfylly genuine atmosphere we got going on here. Either one (or both) are bi/lesbian and falling in love or they're comrades in arms, sisters in all but name. Make up your freaking mind. Then you basically have an anime where no one bothered discussing the story even though it was quite fantastic from episode 2 onwards. Check the first couple of episodes. And then check the episodes after Kumiko and Reina had a first real conversation while returning from school. Half the fans here are for the yuri, be it a bait or not. Half the fans are here for the rest that includes: a genuine kyoani fan, a fan of music band, a fan of music in general, a fan of school drama or a those who watch 30 ongoing anime a season. I'm confused about the purpose behind what you're trying to say. I just want the show to be honest. This wouldn't matter as much, character inconsistencies, in a less down-to-earth and more trope-y anime. But here, yuri-baiting actively works against the show's quality. Either the characters are lying to themselves or the people working behind the show are lying to us. The latter is what I'm seeing. Whatever fans tend to talk about has little to do with that, you know? Other than dissatisfaction, I suppose. |
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currycurry said: shanimebib said: ? Then you basically have an anime where no one bothered discussing the story even though it was quite fantastic from episode 2 onwards. Check the first couple of episodes. And then check the episodes after Kumiko and Reina had a first real conversation while returning from school. Half the fans here are for the yuri, be it a bait or not. Half the fans are here for the rest that includes: a genuine kyoani fan, a fan of music band, a fan of music in general, a fan of school drama or a those who watch 30 ongoing anime a season. I'm confused about the purpose behind what you're trying to say. I just want the show to be honest. This wouldn't matter as much, character inconsistencies, in a less down-to-earth and more trope-y anime. But here, yuri-baiting actively works against the show's quality. Either the characters are lying to themselves or the people working behind the show are lying to us. The latter is what I'm seeing. Whatever fans tend to talk about has little to do with that, you know? Other than dissatisfaction, I suppose. Imho, the only part that's inconsistent with the rest is Reina's confession of love for her teacher, and we still know very little about this part. It will only start getting stupid when Kyoani will eventually turn its back on all the unmistakably lesbian content it presented so far. |
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| Ah man, KyoAni.. always with the baiting JUST COMMIT! GO BIG OR GO HOME! Honestly, apart from the baiting, I'm really enjoying this. As always with KyoAni, I would like literally everything they've done more if they just followed through. |
currycurry said: shanimebib said: ? Then you basically have an anime where no one bothered discussing the story even though it was quite fantastic from episode 2 onwards. Check the first couple of episodes. And then check the episodes after Kumiko and Reina had a first real conversation while returning from school. Half the fans here are for the yuri, be it a bait or not. Half the fans are here for the rest that includes: a genuine kyoani fan, a fan of music band, a fan of music in general, a fan of school drama or a those who watch 30 ongoing anime a season. I'm confused about the purpose behind what you're trying to say. I just want the show to be honest. This wouldn't matter as much, character inconsistencies, in a less down-to-earth and more trope-y anime. But here, yuri-baiting actively works against the show's quality. Either the characters are lying to themselves or the people working behind the show are lying to us. The latter is what I'm seeing. Whatever fans tend to talk about has little to do with that, you know? Other than dissatisfaction, I suppose. Because that is what your personal preference is. Don't get me wrong. I am almost in the same boat as you are. Personally I find the strongest point of the anime is how well it is executed. I find Reina and Kumiko moments quite fascinating even as a non yuri fan. If KyoAni can almost put cast on someone like me, I can see where the shippers are coming from. As to what I said in my original response, it was to show how the fanbase is for the anime has been so far. Ultimately anime is an industry that also needs to consider how to be profitable. Bait or not, you go to Japanese boards (or some popular international boards) and you will see the significant attention this show has gotten since coming out from the "Oh! Asuka-senpai!" shell after this moment:  Lollo36 said: Imho, the only part that's inconsistent with the rest is Reina's confession of love for her teacher, and we still know very little about this part. It will only start getting stupid when Kyoani will eventually turn its back on all the unmistakably lesbian content it presented so far. It won't get stupid. The season will end with the performance and unless they deviate from the content, most of the yuri fans will not be disappointed by the end of this anime. But at the same time, I would like to emphasize on how I don't think turning its back on the content that has been showed so far between Reina and Kumiko would make the show stupid even if they decide to stick with the original content of the first volume. It will just look stupid for those who wanted the two girls end up as a thing and wouldn't want to accept that their form of love is a strong from of friendship and nothing more. Most of the fans are ready to accept that they are being baited anyways, so if anything, they should buckle up and just be ready to look being fooled yet again. Personally, I think the baiting or not, they are enjoying the anime. Most of the fans here won't help adding revenue to KyoAni anyways, so what gives? Also, indication of possible shoujo-ai has always been present in other KyoAni shows in the past: Even though I am spoiled by the original novel, and knowing the director from all his past KyoAni works where he worked as either a director or in storyboard (all his directions/storyboards have been hits so far, except for Nichijou, I don't have any clue why because it's one of the best KyoAni shows ever), he will not disappoint me. The only think I can foresee now is a lot of fans anticipating a sequel to see more Reina and Kumiko moments only to be disappointed if KyoAni decides to adapt volumes 2 and beyond. If this becomes a success, expect a sequel and in the process expect to get disappointed if you are here for the yuri. If you are for the story, you'll love the sequels more because by that time, you will get to know more of the other characters, including Asuka-senpai, Taki-sensei and the current Mr. Nobody. Chinamini Asuka-senpai and Mr. Nobody are listed as two of the main characters in the original novel website just because. |
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shanimebib said: Don't get me wrong, I wish for Hibike to end as perfectly as possible, whatever route it chooses to take, I'm being pessimistic because it will be less painful when the ship sinks. If Kumiko just suddenly forgets about her scenes with Reina and they go with the Shuichi route this late in the game, though, it will take some incredible execution for me not to call bullshit on it. Also, check the "Shoujo-ai or not" thread to see how many things they changed in this episode compared to the novel. Regarding yuri and kyoani: |
Lollo36Jun 20, 2015 7:38 AM
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| After watching this episode, a yuri relationship between Reina and Kumiko would be sweet :P Glad Reina retained her position in the end with the favoritism in Kaori's favor :) Asuka has always been the villain in disguise to me, it felt like they could have presented her story more but it wasn't meant to be. |
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Lollo36 said: shanimebib said: Don't get me wrong, I wish for Hibike to end as perfectly as possible, whatever route it chooses to take, I'm being pessimistic because it will be less painful when the ship sinks. If Kumiko just suddenly forgets about her scenes with Reina and they go with the Shuichi route this late in the game, though, it will take some incredible execution for me not to call bullshit on it. Also, check the "Shoujo-ai or not" thread to see how many things they changed in this episode compared to the novel. Regarding yuri and kyoani: That Shoujo-Ai thread? I stopped checking it because it has become a place where fans have started bashing one another for their own interest. I don't intend to check it. I am well aware that some of the contents from volume one have been changed. But that was also done to an extent that wouldn't change the outcome of the following volumes, which means it wouldn't negate the original work from the author. They swapped some of the contents that didn't necessarily increase or decrease a Mr. Nobody ending on its own. What they did though is they put more spice on Kumiko and Reina contents. It would look weird for a Mr. Nobody ending with just two episodes left and it will also deviate from the original work because Mr. Nobody remains a nobody at the end of volume 1. Mind that in a apparent leak in nico which has been removed since then: As for Mr. Nobody ending read this line: The only thing I can foresee now is a lot of fans anticipating a sequel to see more Reina and Kumiko moments only to be disappointed if KyoAni decides to adapt volumes 2 and beyond. If this becomes a success, expect a sequel and in the process expect to get disappointed if you are here for the yuri. If you are for the story, you'll love the sequels more because by that time, you will get to know more of the other characters, including Asuka-senpai, Taki-sensei and the current Mr. Nobody. Regarding other KyoAni shows: |
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gnodab said: 'Mr. Nobody' realy? Talk about being salty. LOL. Shuichi is famous already. Anyway... |
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